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	 LOS ANGELES (Reuter) - Counterculture guru Timothy Leary,  
who urged the 1960s ``Flower Power'' generation to use the 
hallucinogenic drug LSD to ``turn on, tune in and drop out,'' 
died Friday of cancer. He was 75 years old. 
	 In his final days, Leary made elaborate plans to turn his  
own death into a public event, but he never had a chance to go 
through with the ultimate dropout -- committing suicide while 
logged on to the giant computer network known as the Internet. 
	 Instead, early Friday morning, he smiled, whispered ``Why  
not?'' and died at his hilltop Beverly Hills home, succumbing 
after a year-long battle against inoperable prostate cancer, 
according to long-time friend Carol Rosin. 
	 The eccentric former Harvard University psychologist,  
hailed as a hero by the flower children of the 1960s but reviled 
by their parents as a corrupter of youth, died surrounded by 
family and friends. 
	 His home page on the World Wide Web, where he had provided  
regular updates on his deteriorating health and on the cocktails 
of legal and illegal drugs he was taking to dull the pain, 
recounted the moment of his death. 
	 ``Just after midnight, in his favorite bed among loving  
friends, Timothy Leary peacefully passed on. His last words were 
'Why not?' and 'Yeah','' his followers wrote. 
	 ``He went of his own accord,'' Rosin said. ``He was  
smiling.'' 
	 Leary -- who became a vagabond icon of his era for  
celebrating the use of mind-altering drugs, escaping from prison 
and falling in with radical groups -- was diagnosed with cancer 
in 1995. 
	 White-haired and gaunt, he said he was ``thrilled'' to learn  
he was dying. ``Because that's the final party,'' he said in a 
March interview with the TV newsmagazine ``Extra.'' ``I say 
dying is a team sport like living is.'' 
	 His last moments as he lay on his death bed were captured on  
videotape and may be broadcast later on the Internet, Rosin 
said. Leary's remains will be cremated, and for his final trip 
his ashes will be blasted into space in September or October, 
she said. 
	 Arrangements were made with Houston-based Celestis Inc. to  
launch seven grams of Leary's ashes on a small rocket along with 
those of ``Star Trek'' creator Gene Roddenberry and 28 other 
people, a company spokesman said. Within 10 years, the capsule 
containing the ashes will plunge into the earth's atmosphere and 
burn up. 
	 Just as he would have wanted, Leary's death was almost  
immediately a major item on a number of the Web's news sites -- 
just behind the electoral victory of Benjamin Netanyahu in 
Israel -- including the NAndO Times (http://www.nando.net/), CNN 
Interactive (http://www.cnn.com/) and Microsoft Network News 
(http://www.msn.com/news/). 
	 And the man who filled halls in the 1960s with his mantra  
of ``turn on, tune in, drop out'' was himself hosting so large a 
crowd at ``The Timothy Leary Home Page (http://leary.com) just 
hours after his death that accessing the page was for a time 
virtually impossible. 
	 Small wonder, since about 600 other sites on the Web have  
links to Leary's page -- and since the earliest word of his 
death was attributed to his site. 
	 The site sports a small animation of Leary smoking a  
cigarette with ``Leary Home Page'' in the wavy, tie-died, 
psychedelic typeface of his heyday. Visitors can visit ``rooms'' 
in his house and even take a ``guided tour.'' 
	 In a final ``health summary'' at  
http://www.leary.com/health.html, dated May 16, Leary wrote of 
his mental status: ``The good spirits of last month have 
expanded -- probable cause: I treasure the moments of mobility, 
dexterity, friendship, and mental clarity.'' 
	 G. Gordon Liddy, the Watergate figure and ultraconservative  
commentator, went on a nationwide speaking tour with Leary in 
1982. He said he would miss his old debating partner. 
	 ``I never approved of what he did, but I never thought he  
ever meant to hurt anyone. He thought what he was doing was 
right,'' Liddy, who first met Leary during a drug raid on a 
commune in upstate New York in the 1960s, said on his radio 
call-in program in Washington. 
	 Only a handful of subscribers to America Online -- whose age  
demographics probably tilt toward people who were not born when 
Leary was big news -- posted messages in the hours after his 
death, but there was still fire and emotion in some. 
	 ``Timothy Leary was a great man... He was the king of LSD.  
In my opinion he was a god ... Rest in peace Tim, from all your 
children of the underground,'' wrote one member, whose profile 
indicated the writer was 17. 
	 But another anonymous America Online member was more  
succinct in his or her disgust: ``Good riddance to bad 
rubbish!'' 
	 Leary was a hot topic in a number of the Internet message  
boards, known as Usenet, in all the places one would expect: 
rec.drugs.music, alt.drugs, alt.politics.correct, 
talk.politics.drugs, talk.euthansia, rec.drugs.psychedelic. 
	 There was even discussion in some Usenet groups one would  
not expect, like alt.fan.rush.limbaugh, where one poster wrote 
the night before Leary died: ``Dr. Leary is an acid-addled 
crack-pot,'' to which another reponded: 
	 ``When Leary was talking about 'dropping-out' he intended  
for people to abandon the established social structure. That 
doesn't mean he wanted people to sit around tripping their heads 
off all day.'' 
	 Not if they want to be as wired as he was, anyway.  
	 Leary was a respected Harvard University psychology  
professor in the early 1960s when he began experimenting with 
the powerful hallucinogen LSD after eating psychedelic mushrooms 
in Mexico. He was fired when authorities learned he had given 
drugs to students to study their reactions. 
	 Leary joined the counterculture ``in crowd'' of the time,  
including Aldous Huxley, Allen Ginsberg and William Burroughs 
and as the hippie movement spread, his fame grew. 
	 The ``Messiah of LSD,'' as he was called, was to be found at  
love-ins, sit-ins and marijuana smoke-ins, and ``Leary is God'' 
buttons became popular on college campuses. 
	 Leary was further immortalized when the 1970s rock band The  
Moody Blues sang the lyrics ``Timothy Leary's dead.'' After he 
was diagnosed with cancer, the group retooled the words to 
''Timothy Leary lives'' and sang it to him over the phone. 
	 As the 1960s counterculture faded, so did Leary's fame. An  
arrest for possession of two marijuana cigarettes landed Leary 
in a California prison on a 10-year sentence, but he escaped in 
1970 with the help of the radical Weather Underground. 
	 He spent the next few years on the run in Europe and Africa  
with his wife, Rosemary, until he was arrested in Afghanistan in 
1973 by U.S. drug agents. He was sent to Folsom Prison near 
Sacramento, California, and was paroled in 1976. 
	 In the late 1970s, Leary became a fixture on the Hollywood  
party scene. He tried acting and stand-up comedy and even ran 
for governor of California -- all with equal lack of success -- 
and wrote several books about his drug experimentation. 
	 Leary was born in Springfield, Mass., and attended the U.S.  
Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., before joining the army. 
He earned his doctorate in psychology from the University of 
California at Berkeley and in 1959 joined the Harvard faculty. 
	 Leary is survived by his two children, Susan and John, from  
his first marriage, and by his step-son, Zach, from his fourth 
marriage, which ended in divorce in 1994. 
  	   	
-- 
* "...every dog has his day, huh Mel?" - Tony Montana *


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	 WASHINGTON (Reuter) - One planned political break-ins, the  
other drug turn-ons. One would not talk and went to prison for 
it; the other talked too much and ended up in jail. 
	 Timothy Leary, the LSD guru who died Friday at age 75 of  
cancer, and G. Gordon Liddy, the Nixon fanatic who went to jail 
for the Watergate break-in, were one of America's odd couples, 
touring together to debate at colleges. 
	 Liddy on Friday paid high tribute to Leary, whose call for  
Americans to ``Turn On, Tune In and Drop Out'' was the sort of 
comment he spent his whole life fighting. 
	 ``I will miss Tim Leary. He had an elfin Irish wit about  
him. I never approved of what he did but I never thought he ever 
meant to hurt anyone. He thought what he was doing was right,'' 
Liddy said on his radio call-in program in Washington. 
	 He recalled meeting Leary in a raid on a commune that Leary  
was living in in upstate New York in the 1960s where Liddy was 
then a prosecutor. He said Leary came down the stairs ``wearing 
only a golf shirt. I got a spectacular first look at him.'' They 
made a deal under which Leary agreed to leave the state in turn 
for no charges on drugs. 
	 ``I liked him from the start,'' Liddy said.  
	 Years later after Liddy got out of prison the odd couple  
toured as debators, mainly on college campuses. They even went 
together to the Cannes Film Festival in France to promote a film 
made about them. 
	 ``We had a great time. Cannes will never be the same,''  
Liddy lamented. 
  	   	
-- 
* "...every dog has his day, huh Mel?" - Tony Montana *


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>Is 27 bucks in Santa Cruz.... Have a great day:(

Seriously?????

I know it's at the Santa Cruz Civic Auditorium and they always include a
"tax" on their ticket price for raves (usually 2 bucks) so does this mean
the party is 25 bucks plus the 2 dollars for the city/payoff??

Damn-   I really wanted to hear Simply Jeff and Trance from LA and I
wouldn't mind hearing Dan again after that great set at FTT.  But I don't
know if it's worth the drive down and to pay 27 bucks to get
in---especially if I got to work till 12 am....then drive to SC....
aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Maybe I'll check out Wicked again.  I'll be going by my self so if you see
a guy wondering around looking for fun ...come up and say hi..other wise
I'll be up front dancin' my arce off...

__________
Pac a Bowl

This was my first Pac a Bowl.  I always say I'll go but something always
comes up and I can't make it out to the city (usually school).  School's
out so I decided to check it out.  Met a friendly homeless man that kept
calling me the white Dennis Rodman--?-- don't know why, I don't have any
tats...  As we were walking up several people were arguing and pushing and
then a 10 person brawl erupted in front of Park Bowl (around 12 am).  Much
punching - someone had a flash light - blood - people running - people
getting smacked in the face - more blood - yelling - a girl screemed -
Some dude took a swing at me  WHAT THE FUC  Not a good beginning to my
first P-A-B.  Inside there were alot more people than i expected.  Cool.
MARS was up.  Played some pool, Bowled, kicked it, danced some.  Saw alot
of people I know--- Again I met none of you guys.  i guess lately i've been
shy and tend not to met as many new people any more since I know and talk
to so many people already...
well I was cool to hang out on a Thur. night but I hope the next time I go
back there won't be another fight.

Peace->

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c
Hi everybody, I was wondering if anybody was actually going to make it 
out here for Plastic tonight...I'm in Santa Cruz, but I don't have the $- 
but  some friends & I  were planning on having a bonfire on the beach 
tonight (it's a full moon)- nothing too exciting, just a radio and 
friendly faces... it'll only go util about 10:30/11:00 because 
that's when the cops make you quit- but we'll be about 10 minutes away 
from plastic- so you can head on over after...if anybody's interested, 
let me know - I check my mail a lot- I can send you directions if you 
want them-

bye!
(see you tonight, maybe??)



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SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:

>Yahoo! F-8 saves the day!
>
>Who else?!

ME!  See you (and Trish) there!

T


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Wow, I'm so sorry to hear that _another_ fight broke out at packabowl.
That's at least four weeks in a row now.  It seems to be getting rougher
and rougher and I really wonder how much longer they're going to let it
go on....

		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **



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Subject: ORACLe/Goa Trance Under The Full Moon
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Reviews of ORACLe / Goa Trance Under The Full Moon ( LONG! )

ORACLe: 
 I'm glad I took the bus, as I would have gotten lost on the sprawling 
campus. I didn't hear any music when I got off at the Crown College stop ,
so I wandered around like an ant sniffing for a honey trail. 

 Finally, some dub/jungle sounds! Located the source at a little courtyard
next to a cafeteria. It was about 9:30PM , and they were still setting
up the lights and some more speakers. The music's tempo got cranked up 
with peppier techno/house beats. 

 I got to meet Madame Mercury and Liquid Seven in person ( but I'm still
foggy on their "real" names! ). She was worried that the crowd was too 
small, but folks began arriving - I suspect a combination of knowing
attendees and those who just heard it on passing. 

 DJs BrianFlip and Dave (?? names again! ??) traded off at the turntables
for some nice music nicely mixed. After getting over my initial shyness
of dancing with young collegiant strangers , I got down to some fun
stepping!

 Then the lights and sound died! Not the campus security - we had tripped
the circuit breaker! The circuit breaker was quickely located , and some
of the motorized lights were turned off, and I think the volume was turned
down a bit.

 The chill/ambient music area was located in a little courtyard nestled
among some dormitory apartments. Dionysus Dreams was making some industrial
& lysergic sounds from Yamaha and Kawaii synths, and a stack of CD players.
Nice segues and mixing of synth sounds with sounds and music from the CDs.
I layed myself on a bench and let myself drift on the sound stream for 
awhile. 

 As I left , I could hear the dance music pumping along , so I guess they
managed to control their power usage OK ( or they tied down the circuit 
breaker! ). Summary - very nice , and the crowd seemed to be enjoying it!
It was nice to meet Madame Mercury and Liquid7 and Matt(?) and Clouds and
Dave(?) in person, and I may eventually get your names right if we meet 
enough times in the future! I missed meeting Adam Guevara and Jessica 
Robin , maybe next time!


Goa Gil Under The Full Moon

 Late Friday afternoon I got rumor of a C.C.C. "goa trance" outdoor event 
at a beach some miles north of Santa Cruz. Not being a big Goa Trance fan
(yet), I didn't make any hard plans on attending it , and left the 
directions at home in any case. While at ORACLe , I got an update on the 
event , plus some rough directions. Taking this as an omen, I commited to at least checking this event out. So, after I got back to my truck, I bought 
myself a liter of water and started driving up HW 1.

 The parking area was pretty much at the mileage described to me; it helped
to see other folks driving into the same area. The actually beach site was 
across the street and about a 1/3 mile from the parking site. A $5 donation 
asked for. I gave it gladly, because , even before I heard any music, I was
charmed by the beauty of the site. A large , flat beach , with few rocks
or boulders and lots of fine sand. A creek flowed across the sand into the 
sea.

 Around the right , out of sight of the road, was where the sound system was
set up. Some folks were building a fire from some palattes and driftwood. 
The fire got started quite nicely with the help of some oil. The warm was
appreciated, even though some folks who had been to a Gateway (?) event at
the same site the week before said that it had been much windier and colder
last week.

 I wandered over to the DJ coffin - no music was happening yet, as they 
were waiting for an amp. It seemed to me that the amp wasn't all they were
missing - no turntables! Hmmm , just a lot of little DAT portable recorders
hooked up to the mixer. Then , a blocky heavyset man in his 30's(?) with
dark brown dreadlocks ambled up and started to checked the DATs out and
choose DAT tapes out of a bag. He was Goa Gil.

 I hadn't heard him do his thing for over a year , and so I was pleasantly
surprised! A "goa trance" evening indeed! 

 Someone I knew named Joe(y?) from Beautiful People showed up , so we and
his friends got our own driftwood and Duraflame(tm) fire started. As we added
wood to the budding flames, the music started up, slow and trancey. Goa Gil
slowly built up the tempo over the course of a 1/2 hour .

 As I said before, I didn't start the night liking goa trance , but if
what I heard last night was typical of the genre, I'm a new fan! Of course,
I did get to hear it under the best possible conditions. A beautiful site,
cooperative weather, and a crowd of folks that were there to get off! So
good to be swimming the sonic ocean with a school of blissed out trancing 
ravers! The vibe was so good, I got into temporary mental altered zones of 
my own without aid of A or E ! At one point,I ran along the waterline , arms outstretched, feeling the cool air flowing around me and under my "wings". 
Another time, I sat myself down near the "coffin" and the video projector
table, just grooving to the music and the ecstatic dancers.

 It had been so long since I had been to a beachside full moon rave. My
first full moon rave was at Bonny Doon, and there's nothing quite like 
a beach rave , especially with lots of silvery fullmoonlight.

 Such a beautiful night! Wonderful music and wonderful people! I left early,
at about 3:15AM, as my energy finally started to run out after a full
Friday workday and evening. Before I left, I stood on a little rise over-
looking the site, watching the fires and the ravers and Goa Gil. I sent
out a little non-denominational blessing over them all.

 How did it end up? I hope it all went well until sunrise and beyond...

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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Okay, first of all it's 5 am and I just got in, so if this rambles...I'm 
sorry! :)  

I didn't even plan on going to Plastik tonight- 27 bucks is a lot of 
cash- and I had no way of scraping that much together...I mailed that to 
Adam (rlunatic) and he e-mailed me back telling me that he would kick 
down the money so I could get in!!  I'd never met him before, but he told 
me to meet him in line (I found him with his Dr. Seus hat)  And then He 
payed almost half my ticket and I hung out with him and his friends all 
night long!  The kindness of some people never ceases to amaze me..:)

So the party itself was okay- the music was pumping and had me up most of 
the night- a downer was that they took away ALL candy, gum etc. at the 
door- not a great beginning to the evening..the vibe was a kind off too- 
a lot  of hard looks and not as many smiles as I'd expected to see.  
However, my evening was rad because I had a great group of people to hang 
with, and they knew what it was all about!!


Thank you so much ADAM!!!
-jessica

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Good morning!:)

I was wondering if there's anything happening today.  It would be great 
to have some beautiful music to go with all this sunshine and my great 
mood today!  Noticed there's really been nothing on the calendar at all 
this week-end.  Have a gorgemous day!

Jacqui

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You wrote: 
>
>
>Okay, first of all it's 5 am and I just got in, so if this 
rambles...I'm 
>sorry! :)  
>
>I didn't even plan on going to Plastik tonight- 27 bucks is a lot of 
>cash- and I had no way of scraping that much together...I mailed that 
to 
>Adam (rlunatic) and he e-mailed me back telling me that he would kick 
>down the money so I could get in!!  I'd never met him before, but he 
told 
>me to meet him in line (I found him with his Dr. Seus hat)  And then 
He 
>payed almost half my ticket and I hung out with him and his friends 
all 
>night long!  The kindness of some people never ceases to amaze me..:)
>
>
>Thank you so much ADAM!!!
>-jessica
>


What can I say? I'm just that type of person..

 =)~


R.Lunatic

Adam


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Plastik?!@*$

(side note:
I have a very strong instinct for things that will happen in the near 
future.  I didn't feel good about Plastik ever since we were in liquid's 
room getting ready.  The closer we got the stronger the negative vibes 
got.  Once downtown the vibes were so strongly negative I was on the 
verge of crying behind my silver glasses.)

 Getting there was no problem for liquid7, lambchop, and I for we were 
right here @ the UCSC campus.  We found parking easily and went and 
joined our other UCSC raver friends in line, whom we had met the night 
before @ Oracle.  However, things were all downhill from there....

 In line you could see #'s of people cutting in line as the "gangsters" 
cruised by in there pimped out Hondas.  Then it was confirmed that the 
ticket price was $25.  I had the sick sense of another Area 51 
(overcrowded ganster = negative party).  Once puchasing our tickets we 
stepped up to find that we couldn't even bring in candy or gum and during 
our being searched we were stripped of everything, all the way down to 
what was left of our good raver vibe.  I sadly watched as the security 
slowly yet vigourously searched the inside of liquid's hat, went through 
every pocket of his backpack throwing out our empty bottles and candy, 
and patting him down even questioning him on the flyers in his coat 
pocket.

 Finally in, I found it to my dismay that they had the odacity to sell 
water @ $1.50 a bottle and candy after throwing out our empty bottles and 
candy.  Once past the black curtains we found a scene that wasn't worth 
all of us paying $25.

 Then we listened and what we heard @ 12:00 was, well the beginning of a 
rave.  So we all sat in the seats awaiting the bad ass beats to begin.  
Once we thought the music had picked up and we were gettin' down on the 
dance floor the music cut to some crappy shit.  Then they just kept 
pulling that kind of shity mixing till around 2:00.  And what was up 
w/ that club and 70's horseshit?  Not to mention who was the dumbass 
who butchered DJ Dan's "song" (Basco).  I was very unhappy...

 So was liquid, especially after some big intimidating guy slammed into 
him and got up in his face asking if he wanted to start to some shit.  
When liquid got back and told me what had happened to him I knew it would 
only get worse and it did.

 The house started to drop, however by that time the greedy bastards of 
the Civic Auditorium had let in way too many people and there was no room 
to let your feet move to the grooves.  Not to mention not being able to 
breathe due to the lack of ventelation.  Then to add to my misery all the 
vibes started to really get to me.  The happy ravers inspired me to smile 
:) and rave my feet off, however this was quickly intercepted by all the 
negative vibes from those just roaming around, starting shit...those just 
not there to rave.  I felt scared and alone and clung to liquid for comfort 
but he was so overwhelmed w/ all the "shit" himself he could hardly 
assist me.  So I went and joined lambchop in the seats as the tears 
rolled down my cheaks from behind my glasses.

 Soon all 3 of us were in the seats asleep waiting for DJ Dan to maybe 
have the power to rejuvinate us from our crash and burn in the pool of 
fucked up vibes.  It was 3:30 by then and I just couldn't handle it, so 
liquid went and finished his role of film in his camera and we went home.

 I have never been so disappointed in a rave.  I will NEVER go to the 
Civic Auditorium in Santa Cruz again and I encourage the rest of you to 
boycott it as well.  I should have listened to 
those of you who said Plastik would be like this and to my strong instincts.
	

 It was even painful remembering it to write about it.







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Please realize that the Civic isnt responsible for the people who throw 
events there.  I've been to one of the best raves of my life at the Civic 
a couple of years ago.  Don't boycott the Civic boycott people who throw 
evetns like the one you attended, they can throw them anywhere, so 
boycott them not the venue (unless the venue made you feel unsafe).

love drenalin

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It's so freakin' hot in the south bay today!

=P

-m.


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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:

> It's so freakin' hot in the south bay today!
> 
> =P
> 
> -m.
> 
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> 

It sure is!  At least we are not in a crowded auditorium w/ tones of
other people and we can't move or breathe and feel
threatened....uhhh...please excuse my extra bitterness.


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  2 19:31:15 1996
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Here's the June 10th lineup for Movement:

Jon Howard
Mystr-E
Kimo


Movement is happening every Monday
1600 Market
10pm-2am
18+
info: 415.263.5797


Jim

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Hmm... Where is everybody that went to Tribal Future?!?


Are you guys still there partying your asses off?!?


So, How was it?!



Adam




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Dear Friends & Family,

	Chikako & I are going up to the Tribal Future site tonight to 
catch the end of the weekend! (I had to work today & yesterday)  
	We have room for two or three more in the car... anybody else 
want a ride from S.F.?  Carpooling is good, Ameba said space was limited 
for cars & they're asking $10 a car for those arriving Sunday.
	We plan to stay all night but leave fairly early in the morning 
(around 7am) as we need to be back in the city by around ten.

Much love,
				<<< Starchild >>>

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 01:26:57 1996
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Hi all!

 Just would like to share a few thoughts; I had a blast at Oracle! My 
ambient/chill area was very much what I had hoped for. Calm, yet trippy 
and interesting. It was never packed and sometimes empty yet those there 
seemed to really enjoy it (excepting the Proctor [of course] and the 
racoons {sorry racoons!}). I had a lot of people who enjoyed the space come 
share some kind words and thoughts :)

 I would really like to thank Madame Mercury and Liquid for hosting this 
event and HUGE THANKS to Garrett without whom this show never would have 
happened!! Also thanks to Chin for saying hello! And thanks to everyone 
who made the effort to come to our party - it made all the work wortwhile!

=)

Ran                 ( right here, right now )
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What did I tell you all... Plastik sucked...

I think someone needs to send Carlos back to DJ school, so they can teach 
him that when he's scratching, he can turn the shit WAY down.  He 
actually had a pretty good set, but his annoying "wobbly" scratching 
fucked it up.  Of course, the fly skimmies sitting next to me were going 
"awww yeah... Carlos is fucking shit up."

By the way, did DJ Dan spin?  I don't think so...  If he did, kudos to 
him for purposely fucking up his set, cuz the people that throw Plastik 
deserved to throw away $700...

someone get me a fake ID, so I can get into Wicked next time...

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Good morning, all :)  Just wanted to say I love you, and I'll post my
review of the glorious F-8 Full Moon party this pm.

Peace,

- E



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>  Finally in, I found it to my dismay that they had the odacity to sell 
> water @ $1.50 a bottle and candy after throwing out our empty bottles and 
> candy.  Once past the black curtains we found a scene that wasn't worth 
> all of us paying $25.

Not to mention I brought about 1,000 or more flyers for the Underworld, 
Chemical Bros., etc. show and I couldn't bring them inside, since "flyers 
take to long to pick up."  The asshole that searched me made me throw my 
cigarettes away, even though I said, "it only says no smoking."

> w/ that club and 70's horseshit?  Not to mention who was the dumbass 
> who butchered DJ Dan's "song" (Basco).  I was very unhappy...

I'm pretty sure Carlos was spinning at that time... and well... Every 
time I hear him spin it makes me want to leave... it's like acid... it 
just doesn't go away :)

>  Soon all 3 of us were in the seats asleep waiting for DJ Dan to maybe 
> have the power to rejuvinate us from our crash and burn in the pool of 
> fucked up vibes.  It was 3:30 by then and I just couldn't handle it, so 
> liquid went and finished his role of film in his camera and we went home.

Another drug analogy... waiting for Dan to come on was like waiting for 
that bunk hit of E to come on... (luckily I had some good E at the party 
and was able to have a fun time anyways..)

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From: Troy Sheets <tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net>
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Once again we found ourselves asking "Okay, is there anyway we could
possibly make this rave any better?"

Tribal Future was really incredible.  The location was heavenly.  The
camp was integrated extremely well with the forest.  Although there were
very few structures besides the little kitchen, the whole site was
very comfortable with cut grass areas shaded by trees, the hot tubs,
real toilets in little huts, ect.  At night all I could compare the
scene to was the end of Return of the Jedi when everybody was partying
with the Ewoks in their forrest village.  Lots of lights made the
night scene magical and enchanted.

The soundsystem echoed throughout the valley.  Sometimes it seemed the
whole forest was resonating with the music.

When it got really hot in the day we took off to the river, where you
could jump off the bridge, swing on the rope, or just wade around.  

During the night we went from one crazy adventure to another.  The organic
garndens were wonderful with ponds, fountians, swinging chairs, ect.  I
found it amazing that up there in the forrest, with lots and lots of bugs,
they are able to grow wonderful plants without insecticides.  Hmmmmm....

Ameba provided some food, fruit and blueberry pancakes in the morning.
yum!  I did not feel like I was "roughing it" out in the woods... the
camping area was just so nice.  I felt spoiled.

All and all, one of the funnest weekends we have had in a long time, thanks
Ameba!

-troy

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This just in from the infamous Scottish hype-ster Fraser Clark.  Take it 
with as many grains of salt as you wish.   ~John

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 02:50:20 +0100
From: Fraser Clark <fraserclark@easynet.co.uk>
To: a_mars@slack.demon.uk
Subject: WHY NOT? YEAH!

the "WHY NOT? YEAH!" picnic 
june 22nd noon till midnight BST
a TIM LEARY event involving a mass psychic experiment beyond death with,
hopefully, his participation 
PLUS
the public chanting of the tibetan book of the dead (to help tim's soul in
its beyond-death journeying). 
stay posted - but be there anyway.

venue:  parliament hill fields, hampstead heath, london. 
OR cyberspace (internet participation in the psychic experiment).  
OR wherever YOU are (with or without modem).

fraser/parallel YOUniversity.

please forward.  such an experimental window of opportunity is unlikely to
repeat in our present lifetimes.



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 10:11:44 1996
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THANK YOU AMEBAS !!!  THANK YOU UNCLE WALTER for having us.
THANK YOU ALL THE INCREDIBLE DJs who played for us.
THANK YOU to all the WONDERFUL PEOPLE who showed up.

To quote my buddy Wayne, this isn't a rave, its camping with DJs. This was
so perfect, it really was you and 400+ of your CLOSEST friends out in
nature for a few days, with the bonus of non-stop incredible music. We all
got to spend that "quality" time together, days and days of it, walking
through the garden, hiking in the hills, laying in the hot tubs, lounging
on the lawn, swimming etc, etc... Then we got to dance together all night
long. Only to wake up to another day in paradise.

I don't think you could have found a single negative vibe in the whole
event. You won't be reading about cars being broken into, or any of that
downer stuff from Tribal Future.

So to sum things up, I had a terrible time, and would never go to another
TF again.    Yeah right, how bout next weekend !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


vince  (still all tingly inside)




From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 10:22:58 1996
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I'd like to thank all of you for a wonderful, magical, journey of the senses
saturday night @ F-8.  Thank you for the SmIlEs, huggs, and all out positive
vibe.  As ususal I didnt do much talking, just a 5 1/2 hr dancing frenzy with
thoses who joined me in the Void...
Tanks also for respecting each other, the forest, and the designated parking
spaces (to keep the rangers away).   I also would like to give a hearty HI to
all thoses I shutteled to and from the location (I was in the white Lebaron).
 In the morning, after all the trash and such was picked up, it looked as
simple and pure as when we left it... (well, except for a few squashed
plants).


Vibe: 10 Smiles, Xellnt (not one scuffle, posititvty everywhere)

Music:  8 Smiles, Vry Good sets (with exception of that blown amp 'round 2AM,
and the frantic scurry to get power to the speakers)

Dancing media:  8 Smiles, Vry Good surface (The only exceptions would be
thoses hidden mud spots, but hey, it's nice to be one with nature, eh?)

Trance factor: 10 Smiles (It's truly enlighting to "get somewhere" outside
physical relms with the use of music alone.

Overall rating:  9 Smiles out of 10 .  Something worth doing again somewhere
sometime....

But, I been yammering enuff and I have work 2 du...

C-ya out there,

"Dance with Me"

Adam


Wel

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 10:26:26 1996
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Subject: Tribal Future (Was: THANK YOU AMEBAS)
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	I didn't have a _good_ time.
	I didn't _enjoy_ the camp.
	People were not _friendly_.
	...
	It was definitely more than that.

	Wooooaaaaooooaaaoooooooaaaaaaaah!!!! (extatic)
	Tribal Future wasn't _fun_, it was pure _joy_ and _pleasure_
	from the beginning to the end, every minute of it!!!

	I don't even know how to describe this event, words are not enough
	to translate my feelings about it... I'll skip the usual "we arrived
	at Xpm, then did this and that" to give only quick flashbacks of
	my best moments... More intense ;)

GOOD MOMENTS
	Finally finding the camp at midnight on Friday, and discovering
	its beauty on Saturday afternoon!

	Hanging around, chatting everywhere and with everybody during the
	hot day we enjoyed.

	The very beginning of the night, people getting out their tents
	and gathering on the dancefloor.

	A red ball (soccer ball? rugby ball?) thrown in the night over
	the crowd, drawing big red curves in the dark.

	Branka dancing with glowsticks--far better than me ;)

	Hanging around with Erik and friends.

	Washing my poor dusty feet in the morning.

BEST MOMENTS
	Watching the amazing Sarah playing with fire balls. Waaaa!

	Dancing madly with a knife under the moon near the tent, 
	cutting and throwing moonlight everywhere in the night. Yaaaa!
	Thankfully nobody was around :)

	In the morning, the moon going down, the sun rising, and the music
	did *not* stop!!! Yiipeeee!

BAD MOMENT
	Getting lost in a small creek by chasing a rabbit and followed
	by a bunch of drunk assholes (while trying to find our way to the 
	camp).

WORST MOMENT
	When leaving the camp on Sunday afternoon, while knowing that some
	lucky people would enjoy another night of dancing under the
	full moon!


	Summary: it was definitely another level of raving. :)

	THANKS to all the people for just being there, Erik, Leslie,
	Sarah, Kirsten, John, Rok, Kirsti, Brendan, Branka and her friends, 
	Tim & Tim, Mike, Phred, Ms Phink, Vince, everybody...
	AND SPECIAL THANKS TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SET THIS UP, Ameba,
	the DJs, ... !!!

	My last line, quoting Mike: "Check this out guys, it's worth it"!

	Extatic,
Renaud

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On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Adam Luong wrote:

> Hmm... Where is everybody that went to Tribal Future?!?
> Are you guys still there partying your asses off?!?
> So, How was it?!

There were lots of people were still there yesterday afternoon when 
we left to come back for Monday AM work commitments... lucky people!

We got back last night, and I am still recovering.  What a WONDERFUL 
weekend!  The land was perfectly suited to this kind of party-- well 
spaced out, a mix between wild places and sculpted gardens, 
solar-generated power supply with generator backup...  what a perfect 
(re)introduction to the bay area scene!  I wish I had been sure about 
attending in advance, so I could have arranged some recognition thing to 
meet some more sfraves folks FTF!  I know tons of people from this list 
were there, but I didn't meet anyone in person!     =(

But all the people were fabulous!  I saw nothing but smiles and heard 
nothing but laughter and screams of delight.  Lots of ravers and 
hippie-types dancing with incense, a great mix of ages- from elders to 
little children playing nicely.  Weather=perfect.  The dancefloor was a 
massive outdoor vibe-generator, with crisp sound (not too loud, but loud 
enough to permeate the surrounding areas nicely), and an excellent mix of 
DJs.  I liked the housey stuff better (my pref), but the tweek sessions 
went ON and ON and ON... I though I would burst from the flow of energy 
coming from the dance circle!  The main dance area was in a very special 
clearing, with a perfect view of the moonrise.  The camping was in 
clusters among the meadows which dotted the forest areas and rolling hills.

The owner(s) of that property have a very magical place indeed, and have 
done beautiful things with it.  Thanks to the promoters and the 
landowners for such a wonderfully organized and executed event!   Special 
love to that wild gypsy-woman whose real name I did not get, but I hope 
she is online!    =)    Now I have to re-boot into workmode, and try not 
to bliss-out too much  that it keeps me from getting anything done.

PLUR
john

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From: Scott Nelson <drenalin@lettuce.salinas.net>
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Could someone please post all the pertinenet info  regarding the 
Underworld, Chem Bros., Orb show.  Like presale info and at least a 415 
number.

Thanks!

love drenalin

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Having gone to the January Plastik that was also at the SC Civic and
having such a great time at that one, I am sorry to hear that this
one was so bad.  I walked by it and found out that DJ Dan and some
others had cancelled, and also felt a certain akward negativity with
all the people in the line, so I decided not to go in.  
I'm not sure if I'm getting older, or ravers are getting younger, but 
on this night in particular I was feeling especially old.
I really don't think 24 is all that old.

Instead I went for a midnight hike in the woods, and stumbled upon
a drum circle of about 50 people.  With the full moon and a beautiful
sky and warm winds, I had a terrific time.

And I'm sure it's not the SC Civic that spoiled the party... although I
have been to several really bad parties there, I've also been to 
several really good ones.  and I don't really even think that it's the age 
of the crowd either... sometimes people are in a mood to get along,
and sometimes they are more in a mood to sneer and grumble...
The best you can do is keep your chin up and continue looking for the
good in it all, which is always just around the corner.

regards,
-john.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 11:55:16 1996
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From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler )
Subject: Re: (((fu<k plAstIk)))
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You wrote: 
>
>
>Please realize that the Civic isnt responsible for the people who 
throw 
>events there.  I've been to one of the best raves of my life at the 
Civic 
>a couple of years ago.  Don't boycott the Civic boycott people who 
throw 
>evetns like the one you attended, they can throw them anywhere, so 
>boycott them not the venue (unless the venue made you feel unsafe).
>
>love drenalin

I whole heartedly agree!!! There have been some pretty killer parties 
at the civic. I understand that some of their (S.C.C.C.) tactics are 
rather low, but I still find some reason to have a place in my heart 
for that space. 

Peace,

Greg :)




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Hey Brian,

    If you see this message, call me!

Peace,

Greg :)

ps. sorry for posting this on sfr :(

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.........Burning in my Heart

Its just way too damn hot.



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Amazing, lovely, incredible!  The location was absolutely breathtaking:
nice smallish area after walking through a narrow path through the trees.
Lush greenery all around, ferns everywhere, wounds of water coursing
through the stream just off the path, and the glorious full moon, brigher
than I've seen in a long time, radiating it's energy upon us to add to
ours.
Trance-a -thon!  I loved the beautiful, trippy music, and sat/lay down only
when I got tired or when the music got too hard for my taste.  There must
have been some faves playing at times, judging by the crowd's enthusiastic
response when certain tracks were spun.  People were digging it, whether
bobbing up and down or going off wildly or somewhere in between.  The sound
system was great, but I think there could have been a little more low end
:)
Wonderful moments: rendezvousing before the party at Jess's place, and
meeting some new and recently-met friends there (hi y'all!).  Finding
friends at the party, as I didn't know who I'd see there.  Sharing an
AWESOME hug with Diana Greer, who considers herself weak or poor at hugging
(don't believe it, folks!); I just wish I'd been able to stay longer.
Being asked if I had a pipe that could be borrowed, and partaking of the
borrowers' gratitude ;)  Resting with eyes closed, being suspended between
sleep and wakefullness, and feeling someone lie next to me and put an arm
around me (I responded in kind), and sharing warm feelings with the person,
thinking it might be one of the guys who rode up with us, then opening my
eyes to find that it was Jess!  It's always a treat to open your eyes and
find someone so lovely right before you :D
The best part of all was when (who was spinning, please?) I heard part of
the keyboard intro to "In the Light" by Led Zeppelin mixed into the music.
I thought I was gonna leave my body when I heard that!  It was so heavenly,
it made tears well up in my eyes and my heart leaped for joy :)  THAT
moment was pure ecstasy (aaaaahhhhh!).  Whoever gave us that gift on the
turntables is ultra-cool; please give us more!
Unfortunately, Thomas (who drove us up) wanted to leave before the end, but
I suspect that it lasted only about another half-hour after we left, as the
sky lighened to reveal the true beauty of our environment.  What a killer
place that is!  I hope more parties will take place there.
BIG THANKS to the F-8 crew for a splendid experience.  Looked like they had
things well in hand on all aspects of the party.  Also looked like people
were respecting the space by keeping down the litter--way to go, everyone!
It was another party with no EnhancEmEnt, but the vibe (especially on the
dance "floor") was more than enough to sustain me and bring me into an
awareness that I'm just starting to get into.

Still feeling the love, intensifying as we share it,

- E



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So did you ever find out if Dan went up?

And did you hear anything of those "free tapes for the first 200 people"?

RaVe On!


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 13:22:19 1996
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> So did you ever find out if Dan went up?
> 
> And did you hear anything of those "free tapes for the first 200 people"?

As far as I know, he didn't show up (good for him).  If anyone got tapes, 
I didn't see them...  That party definitely wasn't worth even $20...  I 
don't think I'll ever go to a Plastik again... I just really had nothing 
better to do and couldn't get into Wicked.. :)

I *don't* know too much about who throws Plastik anymore, but Daniel (who 
used to be a part of it) told me that the investors took over the party 
awhile back.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 13:23:35 1996
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Hi,

I'm seeking for Austin/Justin (??, sorry for confusing your name)
who drove with Jess, Eric and me to the F-8 Full Moon Party
last Saturday.

You left your flashlight in my car.

Please email me or call me at (H): (408) 246-2968 or (O): (408) 554-5194
to make an appointment for giving the flashlight back to you.

Or if anybody knows his phone number, let me know.


Love&Peace,

Thomas

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Subject: full moon weekend
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:) what a weekend!!

	the frequency-8 party was the smack, thanks to all those who put 
it on, thanks to jess for getting us tickets, thanks to all the cool 
people who went that made it great.

	it was in the same place as the other F8 party I went to last summer, 
but still a cool spot. we crashed out on the side of the trail for a 
long while, we were ultra-tired from a party we wnet to at stanford.. did 
any other sfraves people go? it was free... turntablists qbert, shortkut, 
apollo, etc etc were there. totally different for the 'rave' thing, but 
entirely great nonetheless, on the stanford campus with many many students. 

it was cool meeting all of you, even though i was totally dead saturday 
night :) we left the F8 party about 4:30 to watch the moon shimmer off 
the ocean, and to see the sun come up over the hills.

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F8 was a beautiful and magical party.

After playing ticket master at my house to a host of SFRavers, a bunch of
us made our way towards Stinson beach under a giant silvery moon that
reflected off the ocean in the most enticing way.  I knew it was going to
be a great party and I was in a serious mood to dance like a wild woman.

After parking our car and being shuttled to the trail head (more like a
hole in the bushes) we wound around a path until we heard hints of music
and then came upon this intimate clearing, trees lit from below with
colored lights and ravers already wiggling to the hypnotic goa beats.  


I came prepared for cold weather and ended up stripping down to my long
johns and borrowing a T-shirt because within a few minutes, I was dripping
with sweat.  Ivo started the party off with an absolutely awe-inspiring
Goa set that had me wacked out and flying, my feet barely touching the
ground for hours.  

After Ivo came Mystr-E who played a really solid and eclectic hard-trance
set - very cool - it was really full of surprises and quirks and the
energy was good - fast, energetic and open

Mars had an amazing beginning but there was a power problem for about 15
which sort of killed the vibe (musically) and it took him a long while to
get going again.


Cool moment:  Check it out guys -  I met my match dancing :)
I had been dancing
really intensely for a while when I looked over and this amazing woman was
dancing near me - and she danced just like me - with the same energy and
similar style - and we just hooked into each other - playing off one
another - feeding each other with energy - and I kept laughing and
laughing because it was so damn good.  

Cool moment: This guy showed up with a suit covered in lights (maybe
you've seen him) and these hand-held flashing like thingys that he danced
with - just beautful.

Cool moment(s):  I kept thinking about all our friends at TF and I felt so
enveloped in our connection - I really knew we were all together even
though we were separated in space - 


I think one of the reasons this party was so special was that the location
and the decorations and lights that F8 had done made the place look like
some sort of fairy circle or secret witches coven ritual.  That, plus the
incredible trance made this a really enchanted evening.



		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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Thanks to everyone on the net who suggested I attend Frequency-8 on
Saturday. To say I wasn't disappointed is a gross understatement...

Environment: fabulous! The weather was perfect -- calm air, clear
skies, and a very bright, full moon, gave the mountains and ocean an
eerie glow. The hike to the location was very magical and trippy, with
the eerie lime-green glow sticks guiding the way, the babbling brook
to the side, and the lush flora encroaching on the trail. The
tree-canopied location where the party was, smack against a cliff, was
wonderful (save the nettles on the side -- ouch!).

Music: totally chakra-stimulating! I started off getting down to the
trance, guided by Myster-E. Then, just as the sun was beginning to
influence the sky again, I got my second wind, and fell into the
influence of the beat yet again. [Who was the last dj spinning that
morning?]

Vibe: warm and loving. Although I arrived by myself, with a friend
arriving from SJ later in the night, I didn't feel at all alone. Most
everybody was sharing smiles and treats. I met a couple of
first-timers from SF, and several other folks from Sac'to. I also got
to meet Jess, Austin, and MARS (who, it turns out, was the one who sold
me the tix at the store). I was surprised at the small ratio of
dancers to chillers, but I didn't mind -- there was plenty of energy
in the cozy dance space to go 'round.

Strange moment of the evening: when I arrived in the parking lot, this
young, rather large woman was giving our lot guide, Jay (?) a hard
time about getting in. It was clear that she was eminating a
polarized, negative vibe -- for instance, she asked if there was going
to be a lot of booze there. As I walk up to Jay to introduce myself,
she claims I don't have a ticket (which, in fact, I did), and called
him Jay a liar. She then proceeded to harass everyone else in the lot,
alternating her conversation between wanting to get in, "Because I my
friend said it was going to be good," and dissing the scene. Finally,
she left with her posse, headed back towards the Golden Gate. We all
breathed a sigh of relief...

All in all, it was a fabulous first time at a F-8 event. I headed back
to the city feeling totally connected with the universe, and shared a
big smile with the GG troll...

-G-



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>I think someone needs to send Carlos back to DJ school, so they can teach 
>him that when he's scratching, he can turn the shit WAY down.  He 
>actually had a pretty good set, but his annoying "wobbly" scratching 
>fucked it up.  Of course, the fly skimmies sitting next to me were going 
>"awww yeah... Carlos is fucking shit up."

well... i think i've heard carlos do the scratchy thing before and i just
_loved_ it. of course, it was with a funky electro beat so it fit in
perfectly. i couldn't see it working with anything else, like house.


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As reported, TF was more than a rave, it was a timeless gathering that
captured the essence of what being truly human might be: in harmony
with our true nature(s) and with the nature that surrounds us. 
Past, Present and Future met at the center as the Sun, Moon and Stars
circled around us and and danced to the rhythms of interchanging
Matter, Energy, Space and Consciousness.   Or something like that. ;)

Assorted commentary:

I enjoyed the semi-chaotic nature of the DJ lineup.  Many DJ's I spoke
to weren't sure if or when they would be spinning, they just showed up
with records and hoped for the best.  Kudos to Mark (Ameba) for the
DJ time slot juggling act; the musical order that emerged from the
chaos was fantastic and the sound system was excellent.  There was even
a separate ambient system setup, but I only found the time to pay it a
short visit.

Someone already mentioned the glowstick dancers.  If any of you are on
this list, thanx for the mesmerizing moves.  That red glowing football
thingie being tossed around was also pretty cool.

I socialized a bit, but mostly danced or blissed out or scrounged
around for food when we realized that we didn't want to eat the crap
we brought with us.  Fortunately, everyone was into sharing, and loads
of fresh fruit was put out all over the place.

The DJs were great.  Even when people weren't dancing everyone was
grooving to the nonstop tunes that permeated the camp.  2 sets
stood out from the pack for me: Fred Huette's, who really got the 
dancers going late saturday afternoon (Excellent set, Fred!) and Tony
who just amazed me and everyone around me with a perfect blend of
acid-tinged techno.  It's been a while since I tranced out to an
entire set like that.  The only glitch was the generater dying during 
the middle of his set as if to say, "Hold on Tony, there's not enough 
power on earth to feed the energy you're creating here!"  

Some of the Sunday daytime sets were also quite juicy - especially that
scratchy hip-hopish sample-heavy stuff that's been getting more popular 
in "chill" rooms lately.  I think we can thank DJs Corbin and Everett
for that.  And some tasty Jungle was also spun.  Ethan's 
unanticipated evening set was also a nice suprise.  A lot of people
prefer to hear trance in a hot sweaty warehouse, but I always find 
those sounds more enjoyable reverberating through the wind and trees.

It was almost too hot to dance during midday, but then this hose with
a spray nozzle was introduced, and a bunch of us had a lot of fun dancing
under a communal shower.

I didn't do the mud bath thing, but appreciated experiencing it
vicariously when Tomcat and Monicat visited the dance area in a
muddified state of being.

We hung out with some friends at their tent near the sweat lodge, were
some guys labored over these big rocks that had to be fired to generate
more heat.  This was in the morning, I felt like telling them "hey
dudes, in a couple of hours it's gonna be plenty hot anyway..." but I
think they enjoyed just having something to keep busy with.         

We've never been camping before, so we couldn't figure out how to do
certain things, like when to sleep.  So we didn't.  Well, Janie managed
an hour nap on a bale of hay somewhere since the inside of our tent
became such a disgusting mess.  We purchased our tent (only $29.99!) 
just for this occasion.  Very easy to set up but we spent a lot of
energy unjamming the zippers every time we wanted to get
something in or out of it.  When it was time to leave, stuffing it
back into the little bag that it came in was of course impossible.

Unfortunately, we couldn't stay for Sunday evening.  Did the Wicked boys
make it for some Full Moon madness?  I still haven't completely gotten
over Garth's 3 hour set from last October's Tribal Future at this
same amazing location.

Anyway, thanks to the Ameba clan and their helpers for everything they 
put into this event.  They are one more group who have been in this
scene long enough to become cynical about it but instead have remained
true to the ideals that have made raving on the SF Bay area so
special.  Glad to hear that F8 went off with a similar spirit.
Love to everyone who shared the vibe, once again.

Lee
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Hello alll-

Yeah I said I was going to go check out Wicked but a couple of friends who
REALLY wanted to check out P paid me to drive them down after work and even
chiped in for the $25 dollar tix price...

Got to the civic at 1.45am and waiting at the door I could feel the hot air
escaping the civic not to mention all the negativity.  A bunch of my
friends got there early and got free tapes...Simply Jeff mixed tapes... I
loved his set at the last Plastik and He was spinning when I got there till
probably 3.  Very nice break...  I was feeling sick from something I ate so
for the first hour or 2 I wasn't into the music.  I brought a GlowButton of
a Simile Face and lots of people liked it - TOO much that several people
tried to steel it from me, one girl walked up and riped it off my shirt to
show her boy friend(What the fuk).  No smiles, mean faces, people startin
shit.  Some of my friends got kicked out for smokin a cigerette.  Dan,
Donald Glaude, and Ghost never spun.  I know Trance started things off and
they started late 10.30 or 11 (they let people in before the music had
started).  I heard Carlos's set was short, then Simply Jeff and Mark Farina
were next.  I don't know if some one came on after M.F. but J-J closed
things out with some great dancable tunes.  The only thing that kept me
happy was the music.  I spent alot of time by my self dancing because I
couldn't leave - The people I came with were kicked out and I didn't even
know.  I spent the last 3 hours of the night trying to find my friends so I
could leave... I guess Garth, J Howard, and Hipp-e didn't show up either.
No decorations, no murals, just lasers and a video screen.
This whole party made me not want to rave any more, I felt so terrable that
I just wanted to go home and not go to any more parties.

How was Wicked? (anyone)

I think I'm gonna take a break from parties...Maybe I'll go to sunset...
Only I really would like to hear Doc Martin and Doran spin at Basics next
weekend...I'll see how I feel come Sat.

Hope everyone had a great TF weekend

See 'round

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From: John <dwarzau@ns.net>
To: Campy 99 <erase99@sirius.com>
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> >I think someone needs to send Carlos back to DJ school, so they can teach 
> >him that when he's scratching, he can turn the shit WAY down.  He 
> >actually had a pretty good set, but his annoying "wobbly" scratching 
> >fucked it up.  Of course, the fly skimmies sitting next to me were going 
> >"awww yeah... Carlos is fucking shit up."
> 
> well... i think i've heard carlos do the scratchy thing before and i just
> _loved_ it. of course, it was with a funky electro beat so it fit in
> perfectly. i couldn't see it working with anything else, like house.

It's *okay* but he can't touch someone like Dan or Terry Mullan... he 
needs to turn the scratching WAY DOWN...

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 17:29:06 1996
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From: Branka Cehic <branka@netcom.com>
Subject: Tribal Future (very, very long)
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This was my last big/weekend party before I go home to Croatia for 3 
weeks and it was probably the best one that could have happened.

Although I was there from Fri night through Sunday afternoon I feel like 
I spend at least a week at that beautiful spot.  Friday night was pretty 
mellow, but it gave us a chance to set up the camp, meet people who were 
already there, try out the hot tubs and dance a little.  

Saturday seemed like it lasted forever (which was great).  More and more 
friends kept showing up and by the end of the afternoon the place was 
packed with tents and smily faces.  The music kept playing all day and 
few of us kept dancing throughout the day and into the night.  I had to 
take a quick break and take a nap around 11pm (I was getting so tired and 
zooning at  he empty space that people were wondering what's wrong with 
me), but Melissa and my roommate made sure I was up at 1:30am, because I 
was not supposed to miss another minute of the wonderful party.

The dance floor was absolutely jamming at that time.  Erik was dancing 
with a huge grin on his face and it was great to see him that way (he 
wasn't that happy at FTT).  I had glow-sticks and was loving every minute 
of dancing.  I lend them to Renaud for a little while (and BTW he was 
wasn't any worse than me), but in few minutes I felt naked without them, 
so I had to steal them away from him :).   I danced for some of Tony's 
set, but had to give up and find my tent.

Sunday was relaxing and I was way too sad when I had to leave, but there 
were just way too many things to take care of before I go to my trip 
(I'll miss you guys when I am gone).  

Thanks to everybody who made this event so beautiful - Amebas, DJs, 
landowner, people who were there.  Big hugs to all my friends that helped 
making this event even more special to me - Leslie and Sara whom I spend 
a lot of time with just having a nice girl-chat :); Kirsten and John who 
ended up getting lost on the way there and going through few streams 
because they were following a car that just passed there (that was my 
friends and me); Renaud who was smiling this weekend and resisting taking 
his shirt of for some reason till I convinced him he was silly; Erik who 
was spreading such a wonderful energy around; Stephan & Lydia, Stacy & 
Gerrard and the rest of the gang who is not on the SFRaves; Shawna whom I 
didn't really see that much, but I knew she was there; Tim who was happy 
(yeah, his truck is back); some of my friends from work who have never 
been to a rave before and who loved it; Alan who was spraying the dance 
floor with the water Sunday and gave some of us
nice, cold shower; Brendon and his friends who fed me cookies on Sunday; 
Troy and Nicole whom I finally met and all other beutiful people I didn't 
mention.

I wish more of my friends were there because it is impossible to 
describe the beauty created at that place.  I could keep writing about 
this (I can't stop thinking about it) but this is getting too long, I 
am at work and I am sure you guys are bored with my babbling.

Love you all,
Branka

P.S.  Hope to see some of you at Come Unity (I am leaving Thursday 
morning for Croatia). 

P.P.S.  Sorry this is so long, I couldn't help it

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 17:31:30 1996
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        Reply to:   RE>>carlos' scratching

>It's *okay* but he can't touch someone like Dan or Terry Mullan... he 
>needs to turn the scratching WAY DOWN...

You are *so* right, my friend.  Carlos takes it too far, too often...
-Jason
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Date: 6/3/96 5:18 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: John
> >I think someone needs to send Carlos back to DJ school, so they can teach 
> >him that when he's scratching, he can turn the shit WAY down.  He 
> >actually had a pretty good set, but his annoying "wobbly" scratching 
> >fucked it up.  Of course, the fly skimmies sitting next to me were going 
> >"awww yeah... Carlos is fucking shit up."
> 
> well... i think i've heard carlos do the scratchy thing before and i just
> _loved_ it. of course, it was with a funky electro beat so it fit in
> perfectly. i couldn't see it working with anything else, like house.

It's *okay* but he can't touch someone like Dan or Terry Mullan... he 
needs to turn the scratching WAY DOWN...

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 18:02:54 1996
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Hi, I went to Wicked.  Garth went to Detroit.
And back.  And back again.  Someone named Mary was in the
men's room.  She liked hairspray.  I danced.

2 guys in a muscle car outside Wicked asked me what 
the place was.  I said dancing, house.  Then they asked me
where to go dancing.  I was left speechless by the stupidity
of the question.  They yelled something about fleece sweatpants
and roared away.

Dave

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hey everybody!

I hope all of you had a happy and fun-filled weekend. As for me, I 
will be trekkin down to so-cal for a while so I'll be missing you all 
while I'm gone.:(

btw, I still have a ton of laminates. Since I probably won't be at any 
parties for a while, you can send me a self addressed stamped envelope
and I'll make sure you get one.

So everybody take care and keep smiling! PLUR

Hugs,

CT

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	I'm glad you had the inteligence not to go to Plastik 'cuz I went 
and was very unhappy, especially after Oracle.  It was the one my friend 
liquid7 and I put on @ the UCSC campus.  Did you make it to it?

RaVe On!


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I'm really sorry you had such a horrible night @ Plastik...but I hear you 
loud and clear.  It sucked, hardcore.  I hope you got home safely.  You 
must remember though that it was just one bad rave out of many and you 
shouldn't let it discourage you.  Just think, summer is right around the 
corner and will start to kick ass even more than have been :).
Don't give up **
    
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[ to sfraves list ]

 Well - if we subtract the bad experiences folks had at Plastik , it seemed
to have been a very fine weekend for many folks! Maybe F8/Tribal Future/
Wicked/and the C.C.C. Goa Gil thing "sucked up" all the available good
vibes , leaving Plastik with "the shit", so to speak. 

 To Madame Mercury and others who felt abused by the Plastik experience - don't
read the perky posts about Tribal Future or the other "good vibe" events 
that happened this weekend with too much envy. Just think of them as portents
of great raves to come! There will be a rejuvinating magic event in your
future!

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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Hi !

 So, since I've missed them so far, when's the next Tribal Future? October?

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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Hey all!  Finally recovered enough of my previously lost sensibilities to
actually get around to my Tribal Future Review! :)  I was writing a friend
about it, and after I finished describing it in that email, I realized that
I probably wouldn't be able to do as good a job describing it if I had to do
it over again, so I just copied that paragraph here (with a few edits!).
Yeah, there are a cuppla drug references, but that part was so integrated
int the whole experience that it deserves as much mention as the rest of it.
Anyway, read on if you dare!


Ladies & Gentlemen of the Jury, I have never danced so much at any one rave
as I did at Tribal Future.  I started at about 10 pm, and with occasional
breaks, danced pretty hard till about 10 am the next morning!  Boy does acid
give you energy!  God what an amazing night.  (I only took 1/2 hit of acid,
but I swear that trip was way stronger than the last one I took that was a
whole hit.)  It just so completely blew me away, I've never actually
listened to rave music (especially with a real good sound system at an
actual rave) or danced on acid before.  What an amazing experience!  There
wasn't a lot of light, just lots of strands of white christmas lights strung
up throughout the trees all around the dance circle, with the full moon
blazing so brightly above that I felt like I needed sunglasses!  It was so
mystical & beautiful to look at and be a part of.  So I'm frying pretty hard
here, and I'm buried in this wilderness of dark moving shapes and waving
limbs flowing everywhere with glow-sticks and flashing lights (which make
sparkly glowing trails that resemble brightly lit comets two feet above my
head!), all randomly and separately, yet all in complete unison with the
booming beats coming out of all four speakers, which are set up in the "4
corners" setup around the edges of the grassy dance circle.  The music is
just perfect!  Great loud deep bass beats, not too loud so it hurts your
ears, but just right, all flowing in & out of my moving limbs and my own
mind.  The woods and hills and crickets and creatures are all around, you
can hear them in the trees.  Crickets always seem to have this amazing
ability (and other people have mentioned this too) to chirp in time to the
music, what a perfect combination of nature and technology!  It was sooooo
beautiful!  And I must make mention, Galen's set really just blew me away.
I've really got to start paying more attention to him, I really disliked his
stuff when I first heard him, cuz the first time i heard him he  1) played
music I really didn't like and  2) did a really bad job at it cuz he was
having a bad night.  Then I'd hear him at Sunsets, and I didn't like the
kind of stuff he played there either.  But then I heard him at the 420
party, and I really dug on it.  Now this time around, I think I heard one of
the most perfect sets I've heard yet, it was so perfect in conjunction with
everything I just described. I can't believe how well it went along with my
trip, it just added *immensely* to it, blended amazingly with it.  It really
hit that musical "resonant frequency" in me.  Boy, I really just can't
explain well enough what I experienced then, but I know you understand how
sometimes words in the english language just aren't enough to describe some
experiences.  For a while after that, later on in the night, the acid trip
got too intense and I experienced sensory overload (all too easy with all
this going on!), so I just wandered around the woods on the paths with my
friend Sam who kept me company, and that was really cool too, hangin in the
woods under the moon, and then after I came down a bit and was ready to deal
with the sensory overload of the party below, I came out again and danced
some more.  And after I was completely off the acid (it was such a long
trip, I'm so used to the shortness of e!  This lasted from 10:30pm till a
bit after dawn), I just felt so happy and infused with energy, I just
couldn't stop dancing!  It was so great to see everybody, altho I didn't
meet as many people as I usually do, cuz i wasn't as social on acid as I am
on e, and when the acid first started hitting it actually felt like a real
intense e experience coming on!  Got to get in some good quality hang-out
time with Wayne & Marcy & co. in the back of this big U-Haul trailer which
they had turned into this nifty little chill-zone with blankets & pillows
and candles everywhere.  That was a really nifty way to start the trip!  But
then I had to bounce up & run around & check everything out.  Wow! :)  I
sure hope they do it again sometime soon.  And it was particularly nice
because nothing shut down just because the sun came out.  The music kept
going, people kept dancing, and the whole party just kept going on, altho in
a more mellow way as the day progressed, and nobody had to worry about
leaving or driving anywhere.  It was really amazing.  I pretty much enjoyed
the music the whole time it was going on, even to the housier stuff they
played later in the morning, to the jungly stuff they played after that.
Just seemed like whatever was being played fit in perfectly with whatever
was going on at the time.  And it was totally random a lot of the time too,
which made it even better, cuz the dj lineup was never really set.  Dj's
just kinda showed up with their records, & it seems that everybody got a
turn, in addition to dj's that were scheduled to go. Ethan played a nifty
techno set, which everybody really dug on and that really got the nighttime
party going, followed by Galen (whose nighttime sets I will probably now
always have this bizarre emotional attachment too), and I lost track after
that, but it was all *great*!!  I had so much fun dancing, it was so
different on acid. Like Melanie (who gets my vote for Cutest Little Raver in
her little lime-green gingham 50's bathing suit!) said about dancing on
acid, I'll probably never dance the same again! :)  At about 10:30am, I
finally got to sleep for about 1 1/2 to 2 hours or so, lying in the grass in
the gardens under the trees with the sun overhead.  This was, of course,
after the blueberry pancake breakfast they served us!  We had brought a
bunch of fresh picked fruit too, which people seemed to enjoy.  It was so
cool to see this, there were tents everywhere in the areas surrounding the
main dance, kitchen, & garden areas.  It seemed like such a community, not
at all like a massive party, altho there were 400 people there (which seems
like a lot for a small outdoor dance area, so I would normally consider 400
people at an outdoor party pretty large).  You only got people there who
were willing to camp out for 1-2 nights, only people who were willing to
drive 3-plus hours (part of that over dirt roads) to get there, only people
who were willing to share everything with each other (water, food, living
space, etc).  It was really a diverse beautiful group of people, and because
it was so spread out, you never felt crowded like you can in a confined
space like a warehouse.  O
h yeah, *big* props to the Amebas who (in addition to having this shindig in
the first place of course) were kind enough to give me two more tickets
outright after I realized that my two original tickets were gone from my
purse after it had been stolen!  When I explained the situation to Allen, he
didn't even question me, but simply said "Oh yeah, no problem, here's two
more!"  Wow!  That totally made my weekend, you guys can't imagine my
disappointment when I finally realized on Thursday night that there really
was more missing from my purse than just my credit cards! :(  Those idiots
took my book of stamps and my Tribal Future tickets! (maybe the thieves were
at the party, eh?)

Anyway, I am so glad to have shared this experience with those of you who
went, and I hope to share another of these experiences in the future with
those of you who didn't!  I hope all of you had your respective good times
too, at the parties you did make it to.


Love,
Shawna


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun  3 22:42:36 1996
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Welp, it's about that time!  I start school in Berkely (CCAC) in the fall.  I
think I'm leaving here July 1st, but I might have to couch surf for the
summer, as I need to start building clients in the bay area. (<-not a blatant
advertisement for my graphic design services which are avaiable by calling
916 855 6762)  Anyway, I'm searching for the ideal living quarters.  Either
for a roommate or for a room in a current space.  Communal living in a house
would be optimum.  I'm very into making home, well, home.  My price range is
the tough one, since I'll be schooling full time I have to try to stay as low
as possible, like under 350/mo, preferebly less.  Regarding area:  I have a
car, and will get a motorcycle, my school is on the berkely/oakland border.
 I would like to live close to the school, but would consider living in SF if
I found the right place.  Thanks for listening,
Love,
Steveo

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had a blast.. should have all my pictures developed by friday, and i'll try
and get them scanned and up on the web for everyone to see as soon as i can.

i think i had the best night of my life on saturday. whomever was spinning
that hard trance in the early morning completely blew my mind. =)

a big hug to everyone i met, and to everyone i didn't.

brendan


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Very nice!  A solid 8 smileys!
However, where were all the sfravers?  I met Jess, the wonderful woman who
procured our tickets (Big Thanks).  She claimed to have met her dancing
match, I find this hard to believe, that girl goes off! I also ran into
Doran, what a swell guy, Pure and real. (He said that he sometimes posts
under someone else's name on the list, but I forgot it, anyone know?)
Other than that, I couldn't find a laminate anywhere!  Oh well, has a great
time, the goa was a refreshing experience.  Would have been nice to see more
of the moon, but the giant majestic rock crag made up for it, along with the
excellent vibe.  After a long week I ended up retiring to my tent with the
dream I had came with, a bit too early.  We woke from a goa filled slumber at
1:30(PM)! to find all the happy people had long abandoned our mecca by the
creek taking just about every waterbottle, candy wrapper and cigarette butt
with them.  Good work team! Thanks F-8! (P.S. someone left their blanket, I
packed it out, but it stunk, :=o so I tossed it)
Love,
Steveo

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Hi all!

	I'm happy for everyone who had a great time at Tribal Futures... 
Chikako and I tried to go, but thanks to me forgetting to bring the flier 
with the map on it, we ended up driving over 3 hours each way plus at 
least another three tooling around the Mendocino-Fort Bragg area looking 
for the party with no success (of course because it wasn't there, it was 
in Willits).  I'd heard someone say Mendocino, and I thought it would be 
simple enough to just go up there and find it, small town, right, no need 
to go back for the map.
	We kept pulling off the road to turn off the motor and listen in 
the quiet night air for the distant thump of bass, but no such luck.  We 
pulled over cars and intercepted locals on the street who had the 
appearance of one who might indulge in raves.  Nada.
	Needless to say, we were bummed.  Got no sleep, and no party, 
just driving around and burning petrol.  
	When's the next outdoor rave-festival?

Much love,
				<<< Starchild >>>

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Hi all!

	Despite our Tribal Future disaster, Chikako and I are in good 
spirits because we are leaving tomorrow to drive across the U.S., 
something I've long wanted to do.
	I also wanted to post something to the list earlier asking people 
if they knew anyone along our route (Las Vegas, Grand Canyon, New Mexico, 
Oklahoma City, Little Rock Arkansas, Memphis, etc.) who we could hook up 
with to find a local party or something, but one thing and another, I 
didn't get around to it, so I figure better late than never.
	Got any fun-loving friends wanting to get their kicks along the 
old Route 66, give me a shout.  8)  (415) 626-3036 or 270-7887.
	I'm especially interested in people or stuff to do in or around 
the capitol, since we'll be there for a number of days.

Mucho gracias,
				<<< Starchild >>>

P.S. - Are there any special vaccinations you need to get before 
traveling inside the Beltway?  ;)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 03:19:48 1996
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Kyung Rok reminisces:

>Actually, I was just thinking back to third grade when the
>hyperventilation fad swept my class.

        <snip>

>Everyone kinda chilled out, tho', after
>this one time Karen Amanse started trippin' like Helen Keller before the
>Miracle-worker kicked in the special ed..  Karen, ahead of her time, was
>anachronistically kickin' junglistic convulsions when she should
>have been mellowing out on a soft beatless ambient beanbag cloud.

Great description. It happened in my school, too, but in seventh grade and
it was me who introduced everyone to it (via my "druggie" cousin). in just
one moring we had three kids pass out (we weren't doing it with the
assistance of someone holding you up - just hyperventilate while squatting
then stand up quickly with a big breath). They were sent to the school
nurse who diagnosed them all as "not having eaten breakfast" or some such
nonsense.

Postscript - I tried this again recently during a dry period here in Texas
and it was scary with a capital "S". Blackout, convulsions, hit my head on
the counter. Not a whole lot of fun. You have been warned.

Hugz,
-Chet

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About Goa Trance Under The Full Moon, Larry Ching noticed:

> I wandered over to the DJ coffin - no music was happening yet, as they
>were waiting for an amp. It seemed to me that the amp wasn't all they were
>missing - no turntables! Hmmm , just a lot of little DAT portable recorders
>hooked up to the mixer. Then , a blocky heavyset man in his 30's(?) with
>dark brown dreadlocks ambled up and started to checked the DATs out and
>choose DAT tapes out of a bag. He was Goa Gil.

My understanding of Goa is that in the actual city of Goa itself, the DJ's
(TJ's?) play music on tapes because it is so hot there that the vinyl
records become soft and pliable. So this sounds like a TRUE Goa event!

Hugz,
-Chet

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 07:20:39 1996
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Eric P. Peterson said to mtn-raves:

>sfraves loves you!
>
>:)  - E

we love you too!
big hugs.

thanks for the community.

have a happy tuesday.
=)


  


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[ to sfraves list ]

 C.C.C. ( Communion Conciousness Collective (?)) Contact Info?

 After attending their great Goa Trance thing on the beach last Friday,
I was wondering if anyone here on SFRaves knows if they have a voicemail
number? I would certainly be interested in attending more of their 
events, especially if the events are in the Santa Cruz/San Mateo area
again.

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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 Yeah- yesterday, it was 98 degrees here in Concord!
                    Reagan






On 3 Jun 1996, Mark Camp* wrote:

> .........Burning in my Heart
> 
> Its just way too damn hot.
> 
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 08:21:49 1996
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Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Cyr <surfpunk@well.com>
Subject: Burning Man Mega Theme Camp
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Well, let's see . . .
Burning Man is three months away
I know for certain that a lot of us are planning to go . . .
To the best of my knowledge this year's theme is "A Season in Hell"
so, . . .
I would like to help organize a mega theme camp called "Disco Inferno"
the idea would be to rent and transport a mongo sound system and have it
set up by Thurs afternoon
Various cooperatives could take over the system for blocks of time
and particular parties, or, individual DJs could also block out periods
of time
In my ultra dream Friends and Family, F8, Gateway, Pacific, Ultraviolet,
CCC, Spaz, Organic and others who i have admired over the years would
be involved along with such newcomers as The River and St. John's
Some of my old friends from this list have already heard some of my
fanciful ideas

First meeting will be tonite at 7:00 in San Rafael
call 415-868-0450 for more info, or email me privately

Jim Cyr (surfpunk@well.com)

PS - I'm not REALLY attached to the "Disco Inferno" name, but . . .


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 08:23:04 1996
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>Could someone please post all the pertinenet info  regarding the
>Underworld, Chem Bros., Orb show.  Like presale info and at least a 415
>number.
>
>Thanks!
>
>love drenalin
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Scott Nelson - drenalin@salinas.net
>SalinasNet - admin@salinas.net          http://www.salinas.net
>The Web Works - webworks@ultima.org
>                               http://www.ultima.org/WebWorks/
>hyperreal staff - drenalin@hyperreal.com
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according to the space children phone #, 415-273-1622, there were severe
reservations by most of the artists about playing back-to-back nights in SF
and LA -- they are worried about everything being just perfect.
Unfortunately, SF is getting the short end, and LA will get everyone on the
22nd.  The Chem. Bros are the only ones still confirmed for Friday june 21,
and a couple of others might be here Monday the 24th.

solstice weekend could become an ambitious roadtrip . . .

leftjab

still in bliss over tribal future



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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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But just wait till those summer nights!!!!!



"dance with Me..."



Adam
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>>In my ultra dream Friends and Family, F8, Gateway, Pacific, Ultraviolet,
CCC, Spaz, Organic and others who i have admired over the years would
be involved along with such newcomers as The River and St. John's


Hey Jim, if your to dream, dream BIG....


"Dance with me..."

Adam

P.S.  Wouldyou rather  do the opening or closing set for the next  F-8?
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 09:43:44 1996
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>Hmm... Where is everybody that went to Tribal Future?!?
>
>
>Are you guys still there partying your asses off?!?
>
>
>So, How was it?!
>

It as PHAT,  Incredible,  and one of the best raves I've been to yet.
About 500 tix were sold,  and that area is one of the best areas to have
a kick-ass party.   Lineup was terriffic,  but I left at 2 am on Sunday,
and things were still going.   Spun was on when I left,  or was it Garth..

I got there late Friday,   sound system wasn't on then,  but in morning
the music started and kept going.   Later that evening,  they stopped the
music shortly,  to re-wire some things,   but 15 minutes,  it was back on
again.

Wicked crew Kicked ass,  and Garth spun a terrific set.   So did Carlos..

I'm sure there will be more reviews,   wish I could say more,  but cannot
stay here much longer and have to upload my Email.

Crunchman



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 09:52:59 1996
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From: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>
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More news of the weird.  This came from my sister

-kaysee

---------forward-------

Speaking of weird but true facts, when I was living in San Diego, a man
became very angry at his lover because the lover was either cheating on him
or not paying him enough attention.  One day, while the man's lover was
napping on the couch, the man put a loaded cross-bow to the back of his head
and shot his lover.  The arrow went through the middle of the man's brain
and the tip of the arrow was poking out his forehead.  This woke him up and
he became very distraught upon finding he had been shot.  He was taken to
the hospital, where the surgeons removed the feathers from the end of the
arrow and pushed it through his brain and out the front of his head.  He was
not impaired in any way.  That was a true story.  They showed photos of the
man with the arrow poking out of his forehead on the news and showed
diagrams of how the surgeons planned to remove the arrow.




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Hi folks,  thought I'd forward this info for you who might be interested in
this.

*Note*  I am not affiliated with World Domination and/or the production
companies involved with this.  I just thought it would be good info to pass
along.  =)

Peace!

Tigger

-------------Begin Forwarded Message:--------------------

A brief update from World Domination recordings re: LOOP GURU.

For all you ambient, techno, world beat groovy people, Organic '96, June
22nd at the Snow Valley Resort in the town of Running Springs, CA (20
minutes before Big Bear)  is the place to be. Starting at 4:00pm Saturday,
June 22nd and ending at 8:00am Sunday, June 23rd, the event runs as
follows:

                LOOP GURU 7:00pm
                Meat Beat Manifesto 8:00pm
                Underworld 9:30pm
                The Chemical Bros 11pm
                Orbital 12:40am
                The Orb 2:30am

plus four sound systems with Michael Dog & Jason Bentley and others hitting
the decks.
During the day there is horseback riding and mountain biking available at
the site, along with just plain old communing with nature in the San
Bernadino National Forest.
For even more info email me or call Barbara Mitchell or Joshua Mills @
World Dom on 213 850 0254.

Thanks for your time.

----------------------------------
Dave Allen/World Domination     www.underground.net/Worlddom/
For tour info visit http://www.tourdates.com

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 10:20:29 1996
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>Hi all!
>
>        I'm happy for everyone who had a great time at Tribal Futures...
>Chikako and I tried to go, but thanks to me forgetting to bring the flier
>with the map on it, we ended up driving over 3 hours each way plus at
>least another three tooling around the Mendocino-Fort Bragg area looking
>for the party with no success (of course because it wasn't there, it was
>in Willits).  I'd heard someone say Mendocino, and I thought it would be
>simple enough to just go up there and find it, small town, right, no need
>to go back for the map.

heh. yeah, when i first got to sf, i  tried to find a party in the GG Park
that way. figured, hey, how big can a park be.
errrrr...
sorry you didnt get up.

(even with maps, a bunch of people took the wrong route and had to drive
through some creek, and  one group got lost for about 6 hours in the
immediate region of the ranch)

take care
kcroy



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WOW! what a beautiful party!  We got there on saturday, and set up camp 
before checking out the beautiful surroundings.  People were doing a 
group yoga thing, enjoying the hot tubs, mud baths and many were just 
laying around basking in all the surrounding natural beauty.

After dancing a bit I took a nice walk in the woods to chill out just 
before sunset.  After that Phred got me and alot of other people 
dancing.  I danced most of the night, with a few breathers here and 
there.  I thought the music was great.  There was a nice variety and I 
enjoyed it all.

Sunday most people blissfully lounged  out to the tunes.  I alternated 
on that and some dancing here and there.  

Angela unfortunately had decided not to come, because she has doctors 
orders to not dance so her tendinitious in her leg could heal.  To bad, 
because this was a party that many seemed to enjoy by mostly hanging 
out in the beauty. We usually like to enjoy and share the vibe mostly 
by dancing, but this party had plenty of vibe floating around all over 
to be enjoyed all around.

We left early sunday afternoon exhausted and fully saturated from all 
the beautiful music.  Lee did a great job driving back, especially in 
the beginning as we made a wrong turn and drove up this steep hill with 
huge potholes that looked like only 4-wheeled jeep could drive on, but 
some how we managed to climb this hill a bit before turning around.

Thank you amebas for another great party,
something to take with me before angela and I leave for a 2 month 
adventure in indonesia.

Look foward to dancing with you all when we get back in august.
Have a beautiful summer everyone.

:)
peter

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I'm still trying to digest everything that occurred over the weekend. 
Tribal Future was simply wonderful.  I don't think I could even 
do it justice by describing my own limited experience.  But, I'll try.

We left on Friday and proceeded to take a wrong turn to the right instead 
of the left.  We saw another car go that way (Branka) and figured it must 
have been right!!! (silly idea to act like lemmings, eh?)  But, alas, we 
realized something was very wrong after 
we drove over 4 creeks and had our little car in 4 wheel drive.  So, we 
turned around and went the right way.  Unfortunately, this made us two 
hours later than hoped for, which meant no light to put our tent up to.  
After locating a spot in the orchard, behind a hill, we frustratingly put 
up the stupid tent.  Advice: don't put your tent way up a hill because 
you'll never ever want to walk all the way up there again.  Duh, stupid 
us.  Plus, the spot we where we pitched our tent was in the blaring sun all 
day, another reason we never actually used our tent.  Second duh!!!

Friday the music played until about 3:30 am.  Then it started at 9:30 the 
next day and never stopped except for a few minor incidents for as long 
as I can remember (maybe it's still going...!!! :)  I heard some great 
stuff including some funky trip hop that you wouldn't hear at any old 
rave.  There was so much time to play tons of music that we got to hear a 
huge variety.  The James Brown samples rocked my world!!!  "Funky 
Drummer" has to be the most widely sampled song ever.  Throughout the 
weekend there was lots of fun stuff including samples by Madonna, Fela, 
and some Irish bagpipes.  There was also some reggae and hip hop worked 
in, even some great guitar licks.  It all worked really well.

Saturday during the day we did a variety of things including hiking 
around, dancing a little bit, hanging out with great people, and catching 
some well needed rays for us white bodies!!  The gardens were beautiful, lots 
of bugs (my own passion).  Some of the chirping that people heard were 
actually cicadas and not crickets.  I was hoping to see one because there are
some really beautiful ones that are bright red, but I never did.  (all right, 
I'm digressing!!!)

The rest of my little group showed up around 4 on Saturday and by the 
time we ate and got them settled, tons of people had started arriving.  
It was amazing.  The spirits were really high.  Like Leslie said, the 
only unhappy people there were people who were truly ill.  You have to 
really want to be there to drive that far and make the effort.

Still learning about raving, I noticed this neat phenomenon.  As soon as 
the sun set, it signalled everyone to enter "rave mode."  It was 
uncanny.  All of a sudden everyone came out of hiding and communed around 
the music.  Craziness and celebration had begun.  It was like this 
interesting circadian rhythm; lights off, rave on!!!  I mentioned this to 
Leslie, and she said, of course, it's called "getting in the groove."  
Utterly fascinating.  The collective power of 400 human beings was 
released, and it was the most powerful thing I've ever felt.  

As people were stomping to the music, the grass got somewhat torn up and 
the dance area became a dust arena.  The moon started rising higher in 
the sky and illuminated the dusty dancers with it's eery blue light.  The 
glow sticks and blinking lights added to the surreal effect of the hazy 
dance area.  I had this neat little flash light in which you could see 
the entire beem of light because of the dust.  We had too much fun with 
our glow sticks (4 different colors) making patterns in the dusky night air.

After tiring out a bit, we spent some time underneath the stars above the 
garden in the chill area.  We found some mint plants that were mixed in 
with the grass that emanated a heavenly scent.  The moon was so bright 
that you could see everything with unnatural clarity.  In the chill area 
there was also a black light with two really great paintings that added 
this neat little rave effect to the garden.  It was this juxtaposition of 
the natural and the unnatural, but it worked somehow and made you feel 
like Alice in Wonderland.

By that time my friends went back to the dance area, but my body was so 
exhausted that I felt like my bones were poking out of my flesh.  I had 
to go sleep at 4 am, which really bummed me out because I never felt like 
I truly got enough dancing in.  There was a lot of great effects with the 
music including this big VAVOOM like a jet airplane flying above.  It 
entered the dance area on top of the music, and literally knocked your 
socks off.  I'm still reeling from that.  I think it was the dj that came 
on after Tracy, Josh maybe?

The guys at the Smoothie bar were really great.  We had an entire back 
pack of toys and with their black light, we set them up.  We even got a 
free smoothie.  Very sweet.  I've accumulated a great set of toys, so next 
time you find me, don't hesitate to ask me for something. (Brendan is 
convinced that I never left kindergarten!!!  Hmmm.  Maybe he's right!!) 
Things are much better when they are shared, and Tribal Future epitomized 
that saying.  Everyone shared everything.

I slept from about 4-8 and when I got up, everyone else was going to 
bed.  The morning was beautiful and hot.  I hung out with Shawna who 
wasn't sleeping a wink and had contagious dancing feet.  :)  Then in the 
afternoon everyone convened on the lawn which was the  only shady place 
without poison oak!!  There was a huge mass of people.  We brought out 
the toys once again and lots of food.   Everyone just walked around and 
hung out in different places, relaxing and sleeping.  It was very mellow 
and special because everyone was still riding this wave of ecstasy (not 
the drug:) from the night before.  This was where you touched base with all 
of the people you met the night before.

Then, we had to go home around 4 pm :(  I would have loved to stay, but 
couldn't.  I loved the people that were there.  I hope we get to hang out 
some more!!  Sfravers really are amazing.  I don't know what it is, but 
you guys sure have big hearts!!

There was tons of poison oak.  Where there was shade, there was the evil 
plant.  I'm immune, so I have no problem, but I wonder if anyone else got 
it bad.  I saw people who didn't know what it looked like pitching tents 
right in the middle of it.  I warned quite a few people.  The plants were 
young and not too oily, so maybe it won't be too bad!!

Wow, I guess I wrote quite a bit.  Didn't mean to!!  Have a great 
weekend, I'll see you again this coming weekend where I plan to get my 
fill of dancing seeing as I'm not satiated yet!!!

Cheers,
KaySEE

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****



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VMar
Wayne Correa
Amy Starkey
Mike Lasmanis
Ethan Miller
Claire
Solar
Rikki Keifer
Maureen Garrett
Greg and Cindy
Mike Clay
Theta Blip

please e-mail surfpunk@well.com    asap re:Burning Man


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A good friend of mine recommended the compilation Hardhop Trypno by
Moonshine...I was just able to finally find it yesterday. Dang! It'll
definitely send shivers up and down through your spinal fluid!!!

Peace,
John

Here's the playlist:

eboman - donuts with buddha
philadelphia bluntz - i like that
uberzone - botz (synthetik)
fatboy slim - everybody loves a 303
keoki - caterpillar (stepdisk remix)
supersoul - the masterplan
zen cowboys -  mad world (the crystal method remix)
more funky shit - listen
the crystal method - blast
mr. funkster - massive

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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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OK, Whos Shooting out that posititve energy???!!!!


Cos I just got ZAPPED!!!!!!

Peace and Love all you cyber ravers!!!!


"dance with me..."


Adam



Geez and it's only  Tuesday!!!!!
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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, leftjab wrote:

> >Could someone please post all the pertinenet info  regarding the
> >Underworld, Chem Bros., Orb show.  Like presale info and at least a 415
> >number.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >love drenalin
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> >Scott Nelson - drenalin@salinas.net
> >SalinasNet - admin@salinas.net          http://www.salinas.net
> >The Web Works - webworks@ultima.org
> >                               http://www.ultima.org/WebWorks/
> >hyperreal staff - drenalin@hyperreal.com
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> according to the space children phone #, 415-273-1622, there were severe
> reservations by most of the artists about playing back-to-back nights in SF
> and LA -- they are worried about everything being just perfect.
> Unfortunately, SF is getting the short end, and LA will get everyone on the
> 22nd.  The Chem. Bros are the only ones still confirmed for Friday june 21,
> and a couple of others might be here Monday the 24th.
> 
> solstice weekend could become an ambitious roadtrip . . .
> 
> leftjab
> 
> still in bliss over tribal future
> 
> 
> 


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NET SFRAVERS, 
 
HELP!  I need another net provider.  Hooked sucks! 
 
If  you think your net provider is awesome, please tell me who it is. 
I'm looking for a provider with a good browser (like netscape) and someone
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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:

> How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...

We (Me, Dan, and a few friends) are going.. but directly to Big Bear.
No need to stop in LA.

> * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
> Paul Anthony Rose
> UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
> ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
> 

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
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From: Maureen Garrett <mh2o@well.com>
Subject: Re: Burning Man Mega Theme Camp
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Additional information:  The meeting is at Maureen Garrett's house in San 
Rafael... 251 C Street.  Phone 415-459-5334.  Take 101 north, exit 
Central San Rafael, stay in left lanes.  Turn left onto 3rd.  Take 3rd 
down to 'D' Street, turn left onto D.  Get into Right Lane.  Cross over 
2nd, past gas station...make a left onto San Rafael Ave. (mailbox on left)
park.  Stop sign ahead is 'C'. Make a right, third house from corner.
7:30 PM. (Please bring what you need to be comfortable food and drink wise)  

My house is also two minutes by car from the San Rafael Bus Terminal.

Other Ideas:

Medicine Circle/Mandala Design

As well as being a mega theme camp...a very strong psychic hit I had is that 
the dance floor/camp needs to be mapped out like a medicine circle, a 
mandala...to the four directions, with altars at each direction and 
sculpture which represents those directions...(all 3-D art especially is 
welcome), access into and out of the camp via the well marked (with 
flourscent line marking paint) will make up the cardinal roads leading 
into the space.  Our tents and RV's, etc. will sit beyond the inner and 
outer circles of the dance floor like a wagon train...
>From an airplane this will resemble a crop circle (of sorts)...

Think about things you have or know about which can contribute to
containing the energy of this space...  flourscent cones (like abandoned 
ones by the side of the highway  ;-).... wood for fires, and decorations 
for the Disco  Inferno...

Theme

Burning Man has a major  HELL theme going this year (objects to be 
torched)  so Disco Inferno works rather well.....actually!!!!

Ceremony

Going into my third year at BM, I see a powerful opportunity for our
family.

As a collective, we can use  the healing  power of fire to transform 
our family, the House Movement, into something even more powerful,  
strong and deeply rooted underground than it currently is,  
affecting all life it's roots touch in a positive and permanent 
beauty way......

Closing:

As Jim pointed out, we have a little under three months to organize this
camp...and there is much to do....  peace...   --Maureen


On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Jim Cyr wrote:

> 
> Well, let's see . . .
> Burning Man is three months away
> I know for certain that a lot of us are planning to go . . .
> To the best of my knowledge this year's theme is "A Season in Hell"
> so, . . .
> I would like to help organize a mega theme camp called "Disco Inferno"
> the idea would be to rent and transport a mongo sound system and have it
> set up by Thurs afternoon
> Various cooperatives could take over the system for blocks of time
> and particular parties, or, individual DJs could also block out periods
> of time
> In my ultra dream Friends and Family, F8, Gateway, Pacific, Ultraviolet,
> CCC, Spaz, Organic and others who i have admired over the years would
> be involved along with such newcomers as The River and St. John's
> Some of my old friends from this list have already heard some of my
> fanciful ideas
> 
> First meeting will be tonite at 7:00 in San Rafael
> call 415-868-0450 for more info, or email me privately
> 
> Jim Cyr (surfpunk@well.com)
> 
> PS - I'm not REALLY attached to the "Disco Inferno" name, but . . .
> 
> 

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ROAD TRIP!   WOO HOO!


--------------------------------------
Date: 6/4/96 1:32 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: Tony Rose
How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, leftjab wrote:

> >Could someone please post all the pertinenet info  regarding the
> >Underworld, Chem Bros., Orb show.  Like presale info and at least a 415
> >number.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >love drenalin
> >
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> >Scott Nelson - drenalin@salinas.net
> >SalinasNet - admin@salinas.net          http://www.salinas.net
> >The Web Works - webworks@ultima.org
> >                               http://www.ultima.org/WebWorks/
> >hyperreal staff - drenalin@hyperreal.com
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> according to the space children phone #, 415-273-1622, there were severe
> reservations by most of the artists about playing back-to-back nights in SF
> and LA -- they are worried about everything being just perfect.
> Unfortunately, SF is getting the short end, and LA will get everyone on the
> 22nd.  The Chem. Bros are the only ones still confirmed for Friday june 21,
> and a couple of others might be here Monday the 24th.
> 
> solstice weekend could become an ambitious roadtrip . . .
> 
> leftjab
> 
> still in bliss over tribal future
> 
> 
> 


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Whoops, I dont really need to stop in LA, I would go straight to the
place, I have a motorcycle and can bring one other person, but it would be
fun if all those going could caravan down...

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Aleph One wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:
> 
> > How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...
> 
> We (Me, Dan, and a few friends) are going.. but directly to Big Bear.
> No need to stop in LA.
> 
> > * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
> > Paul Anthony Rose
> > UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> > http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> > TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
> > ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
> > 
> 
> Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
> http://underground.org/
> KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 
> Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61  8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 
> 
> 


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I am definitely down for a road trip - me and a few others for sure.  There is no way I am going to miss this one.  Keep me posted...
-Jason

--------------------------------------
Date: 6/4/96 3:05 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: Aleph One
On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:

> How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...

We (Me, Dan, and a few friends) are going.. but directly to Big Bear.
No need to stop in LA.

> * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
> Paul Anthony Rose
> UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
> ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
> 

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 15:56:46 1996
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who's in charge of laminates nowadays?  I forgot to get one a long time 
ago and I want one :)

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On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:

> Whoops, I dont really need to stop in LA, I would go straight to the
> place, I have a motorcycle and can bring one other person, but it would be
> fun if all those going could caravan down...

Well we would be leaving Friday as we rented cabins for the weekend 8)
Boy I love camping. Anyway what day are peple planning on leaving. 
Friday? Saturday?

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OK.  I'm in.  I can contribute booze, food, gasoline, but I can't drive.

Paul

Jason Green* wrote:
> 
>         Reply to:   RE>>CARAVAN?...was Re: Origin '96 downscaled severely in SF
> 
> I am definitely down for a road trip - me and a few others for sure.  There is no way I am going to miss this one.  Keep me posted...
> -Jason
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 6/4/96 3:05 PM
> To: Jason Green*
> From: Aleph One
> On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:
> 
> > How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...
> 
> We (Me, Dan, and a few friends) are going.. but directly to Big Bear.
> No need to stop in LA.
> 
> > * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ******************
> > Paul Anthony Rose
> > UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> > http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> > TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
> > ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
> >

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Dear Kiddies,

	Having been driving for a few weeks now a car that has an AM-only 
radio, I've become somewhat more familiar with that frequency.
	And lo and behold, I found an interesting station that I never 
knew existed.  I think it (KDFC) used to have another format, but now 
apparantly it is called Kid Star "radio just for kids".  
	For anyone who listened to that school lunch menu man and liked 
it, I suggest you check this out!  AM 1220...
	My favorite is "MJ", the female afternoon DJ.  

Much love,
				<<< Starchild >>>


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I have been to a few of their parties in S.F. and I think it is the
Collective for Creative Consciousness.
Can anyone confirm?

Cassandra

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Larry Ching
wrote:

> [ to sfraves list ]
> 
>  C.C.C. ( Communion Conciousness Collective (?)) Contact Info?
> 
>  After attending their great Goa Trance thing on the beach last Friday,
> I was wondering if anyone here on SFRaves knows if they have a voicemail
> number? I would certainly be interested in attending more of their 
> events, especially if the events are in the Santa Cruz/San Mateo area
> again.
> 
>  Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com
> 
> 


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I am i  the same situation. I might be able to get us a place to crash
as well with some prior notice.

Cassandra

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, w. p. risenhoover
wrote:

> OK.  I'm in.  I can contribute booze, food, gasoline, but I can't drive.
> 
> Paul
> 
> Jason Green* wrote:
> > 
> >         Reply to:   RE>>CARAVAN?...was Re: Origin '96 downscaled severely in SF
> > 
> > I am definitely down for a road trip - me and a few others for sure.  There is no way I am going to miss this one.  Keep me posted...
> > -Jason
> > 
> > --------------------------------------
> > Date: 6/4/96 3:05 PM
> > To: Jason Green*
> > From: Aleph One
> > On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:
> > 
> > > How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...
> > 
> > We (Me, Dan, and a few friends) are going.. but directly to Big Bear.
> > No need to stop in LA.
> > 
> > > * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ******************
> > > Paul Anthony Rose
> > > UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> > > http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> > > TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
> > > ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
> > >
> 


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        Reply to:   RE>>C.C.C. number?

>From: Cassandra Ann Thomas:
>I have been to a few of their parties in S.F. and I think it is the
>Collective for Creative Consciousness.

That sounds a lot more like it - I didn't think Martin AKA Communion Clothing was organizing goa trance full moon parties.
I WOULD DESPARATELY LIKE THE INFO/CONTACT # FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THREW THAT PARTY - DOES ANYBODY KNOW????
DISCLAIMER: The above is not mean to be "yelled" or "shouted," just in capital letters  : )  = )
I posted a question asking if anybody knew who these people were, and how to contact them, but got no response.  If anybody has any sort of idea, please, PLEASE post!  Thanks!!
Infinite positive energy...
-Jason
--------------------------------------
Date: 6/4/96 6:13 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: Cassandra Ann Thomas
I have been to a few of their parties in S.F. and I think it is the
Collective for Creative Consciousness.
Can anyone confirm?

Cassandra

On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Larry Ching
wrote:

> [ to sfraves list ]
> 
>  C.C.C. ( Communion Conciousness Collective (?)) Contact Info?
> 
>  After attending their great Goa Trance thing on the beach last Friday,
> I was wondering if anyone here on SFRaves knows if they have a voicemail
> number? I would certainly be interested in attending more of their 
> events, especially if the events are in the Santa Cruz/San Mateo area
> again.
> 
>  Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com
> 
> 


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun  4 21:06:44 1996
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from my understanding they dont have a voice mail, its a word of mouth 
thing. if they do have a vmail, its probably not a good idea to 
distribute it on the list, private email would be better - from what i've 
been told, anyway.

i heard it called Consordium (sp?) of Collective Consciousness, BTW.

love and energy to ya all,
tom

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Yo SFRers;

        Tribal Future my kind a party, nothing but praise, nuff said because
I just couldn't possibly fit all the wonderful things about it in a post
without pissing you all off because it's too long. So I'm gona share an
experience I had driving home the first time from Tribal Future.

        I ended up giving Tristian a ride up there only to turn around and
come ride back down to SF again so I could meet a friend and come up Sunday.
Anyway it was just dawn in Mendocino County at the site of Tribal Future
where this tale starts.

        I had just woken up Tristian who fell a sleep in my car, and told
him that I had to get going bout 5:45am. I'm one of those people who love to
drive, in fact there's only one thing I like doing better than driving, and
that's sex. Give me a nice car, a empty mountain road, some great music and
it just can't get any better with the exception of the above mentioned.

        The drive up and back to the site is just beautiful, it normally
takes 3 hours or  so for most people. Anyway and like I said I had just left
Tristian at the site, and proceeded down this most scared of mountain roads.
The mountains where still partially shrouded in that early morning  mist,
making them even more beautiful then they already are. I put on Eric of  F-8
fame's tape and started to have a spiritual experience as I proceeded down
the mountain in my rental car. I just happen to be driving a fire engine red
1996 5.0 liter Mustang convertible, with the top down and the overdrive off.

        Well that's when the magic started to happen because the mountain
road, smokie, and myself  made a pack, that today I owned the mountain road,
and that nothing could stop, harm or get in my way. I can't really but into
words what happened to me up there on the way home, if you're into driving
and trance you already know. It's sorta like the male version of the womyn
on the mountain top dressed in white robes blowing in the wind, like that
Peppermint Patty commercial. I made it home to Emeryville in 2 hours and 15
minutes needless to say.

        Thanks Allen, Mark and all the Ameba's for Tribal Future.

Peace
THX1138



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On Mon, 3 Jun 1996, George Feil wrote:

> Thanks to everyone on the net who suggested I attend Frequency-8 on
> Saturday. To say I wasn't disappointed is a gross understatement...
> 
> Environment: fabulous! The weather was perfect -- calm air, clear
> skies, and a very bright, full moon, gave the mountains and ocean an
> eerie glow. The hike to the location was very magical and trippy, with
> the eerie lime-green glow sticks guiding the way, the babbling brook
> to the side, and the lush flora encroaching on the trail. The
> tree-canopied location where the party was, smack against a cliff, was
> wonderful (save the nettles on the side -- ouch!).
Exactly, how I found the location, wonderful and a nice link with nature. 
And the morning found those of us left surrounding by all the greens and
 the pale blue sky above. Very calming and peaceful.

> 
> Music: totally chakra-stimulating! I started off getting down to the
> trance, guided by Myster-E. Then, just as the sun was beginning to
> influence the sky again, I got my second wind, and fell into the
> influence of the beat yet again. [Who was the last dj spinning that
> morning?]
> 
I think Jess described the music perfectly. I especially loved MARS's set 
of beautiful music-one moment spacey then pounding my body mercilessly. 
Thoroughly mental music. I just hope I can find him at Love Parade in 
Berlin this summer.

> Vibe: warm and loving. Although I arrived by myself, with a friend
> arriving from SJ later in the night, I didn't feel at all alone. Most
> everybody was sharing smiles and treats. I met a couple of
> first-timers from SF, and several other folks from Sac'to. I also got
> to meet Jess, Austin, and MARS (who, it turns out, was the one who sold
> me the tix at the store). I was surprised at the small ratio of
> dancers to chillers, but I didn't mind -- there was plenty of energy
> in the cozy dance space to go 'round.

Glad to have met you, as well as ionX, jess, and through trailhead 
transport Adam. Also saw Sarah, Paul, their friends, and Eric (resting at 
the time) > 
> All in all, it was a fabulous first time at a F-8 event. I headed back
> to the city feeling totally connected with the universe, and shared a
> big smile with the GG troll...
> 
> -G-
> 
> 
> 

  Austin                             
  Tinsau                    

            S.F. Born and Raved!                          











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Finally, a good party here in SF!  Doran hasn't been up here in a while, 
and I'm really looking forward to checking him out...  Anyone else going?

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One more thing I might add that REALLY disappointed me...

The morning after the Plastik party I went with some friends to breakfast
and then we cruzed up the coast to Bonny Dunes to kick it.  A few people I
know said they were going up there so I thought it would be nice to hang
out at the beach after the party.

Well when i got there - there were about 20 -30 people up by the RR tracks
with a Nitrus tank having a little Nitrus party.  Nitrus for one discusts
me (for some reason) and many people were gettin' drunk and fryin' as well.
One big drug gathering with no respect for other people who wanted to
enjoy the day and the beach.  Some one had taged the RR ties and some
rocks, ballons were scattered everywhere, empty beer bottles smashed
against the tracks.  I say a man with his 8 yr. old son walk up an by to
the beach and I thought to myself what an image for a little boy to see =3D =
A
bunch of kids gettin' fucked up and not giving a fuck about their
surroundings or the people that visit this beautyful place.  I bitched at
some guys by the tank to see if they could take it else where and they just
gave me a Fuck you attitude.  I left.  I am really sorry what happened
there and couldn't stand to think these are the type of people I had just
partied with that night - some were my friends.  I need new friends.

I can't wait to move to San Luis Obisbo and start a new.  Hopefully this
summer I can met some of you and possible creat a summer friendship with
some...

Saddend,

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From: Amy R Starkey <sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu>
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Can you stand another?  I'll make it short and sweet.

Put it this way:  I couldn't have asked for a better event to take my 
freshly arrived friend from London to.  

I certainly was not expecting the Paradise garden to spend endless hours 
in. 

Or non stop WONDERFUL music..
Or non stop sweet vibe.

Tis a weekend I shall never forget, or anyone else who went, for that matter.

Only disappointment was only meeting *one* new sfraver. (Erik)
Was pleased to see and talk to the other sfravers who I know and love.

I'll be smiling for a good long time...

love,
Amy
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the whole thing just so exceeded my expectations . . . it was such a
beautiful eco-friendly extended rave family village, eating, dancing,
sleeping, showering, hot tubbing, swimming, raving, loving & living
together

i smiled today when i saw the dust still on my car from the miles of "dirt"
(rocks & dust) roads . . . i enjoyed the zen of driving 15 m.p.h. in the
tracks of the drivers who preceded you to avoid the biggest rocks . . . it
felt so far away from anyone else, and we were literally "off the grid."
Someone told me solar generators were running the turntables for most of
the afternoons!

the full-moonlight cast this bluish haze . . . the night air was so
comfortable and fresh . . . nothing like dancing much of the night and then
hot tubbing at 6 am . . . too bad the tub next to the turntables (!) was
too hot for humankind, but the third tub near the ambient area was perfect
. . . after the first long stretch it was great to cool off on the edge of
the tub, get cool and get back into the tub, get hot and sit on the edge,
repeat until liquid . . .

great moments in the chill area, sleeping in the shade late sunday morning
with everyone sprawled around, and some great hammock time saturday
afternoon as well

and hanging out in the eel river, getting refreshed for the inevitable
drive home, and the huge blood-red moon rising over the east bay . . .

there are so many of you i connected with . . . i can't wait to see you
again knowing what we did this past weekend

mark & uncle walter & everyone else -- you've created a sacred space, and I
hope we treated it kindly

leftjab





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Well all I can say about Tribal Future is I don't think the smile left my
face. I really wasn't in the mood Friday to go to TF, after my truck
getting stolen, but then returned I also unknowingly broken my ribs. When I
went to my moms house to get ready to pickup my truck I jump the side fence
and landed pretty good on my ribs. I thought they were just browsed bad and
went on my way. I went to TF and every now and then fell alittle pain when
I breathed or coughed or lied on my stomach. All the fun I had at TF kept
my mind mostly away from it. I went to the doctors on Tuesday and found out
the were broken.

Anyway, I'm glad I went to TF I had one of the best times in a long time.
Thanks to the Ameba's and everyone else that helped out and was there to
make this event one of the best. Even those cows in the road that we had to
wait for in order to drive on, that was funny waiting as they crossed the
road and some stopping to just look right at you.

The funniest thing was when I went to say something to someone and look
right at them and just started laughing, nothing would come out of my mouth
but a laugh. I really can't remember what was so funny, if in fact I was
laughing at something funny or just laughing, I don't know which. The worst
thing that happened was leaving after it was all over. A part of me wishes
I could live like that forever and not worry about anything. Dam, what a
weekend!

Tim (knucklehead)



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>OK, Whos Shooting out that posititve energy???!!!!
>
>
>Cos I just got ZAPPED!!!!!!
>

Oooo!!  Cought in the act...   It was me...  I admit it..

Crunchman



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>How about a caravan of sfravers down to la...
>
Yay!!  When do we go...

Crunchman



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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Thanks to the ones who responded to my Really really cool website request. 
Found some nice places (like 5th world and such).  But, Im still looking for
any nifty sites so if there's anyone else out there with a cool website, let
me know!!! 


"Dance with me..."


Adam
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Okay, happy campers, time for another mid-week party!  I've heard calls
for Jackin the Box, Wish, and Come*Unity, with the consensus tending
toward C*U.... 

Luv,
8-D paul P-8

(a happy camper truly blinded to reality) 



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hey kiddos- 

F8 was incredible!!!! and i have some crazy pictures to prove it.  
sunday morning my roomate asked me how the party was. this made me 
realize that the night was more than just a party - it was  fantastic
adventure. i will never forget the sun rising and looking around only 
to realize that the area was even more beautiful then we ever 
imagined.  
stomping and dancin' through the stream with jeff. 
climbing the BEAUTIFUL cliff. wow!!!! what a night. 

looking very forward to the nextr f8 party. thank so much f8!!!
thanx also to paul and diana for the rides! you guys rule!!!!

diana- if you want copies of the pictures email me and let me know.  :)~
luv sarah

ps ive been in toronto for only 3 days now and i already miss all you 
guys.  ahhhhhhh!!

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THEY DIDN'T PLAY THE CHICKEN DANCE!!  :^)

Weather was great, relaxed a bit, thought of you all, howled at the moon,
etc...

Details in person.

Peace!

Tone



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What a  blast!!!! Mucho Thanx to the Ameba Clan and everybody who made this
trip happen!!! 

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I've been to massive raves in warehouses, crowded clubs, daytime and nighttime
beach parties, outdoor moon parties, small house parties, trance parties, jungle
parties, good parties, bad parties.  

But I've never been to heaven before.  And this weekend, we were given heaven on
earth as the tribe gathered to celebrate all that we love -- the music, the
earth, and each other.  What more could we possibly want?

Mark Ameba on the first night, soaking alone naked in the wood-stoked hot tub
near the turntables, having just dipped his amazing birds-nest hat in the
steaming water and put it on the ledge, and the steam was rising off the water
in the tub, with a separate chimney of steam coming off of his hat.

Erik, after 2am on Friday, when the music stopped, staying there and drumming
with the sounds of the forest until he was tired enough to sleep.

Allen, on Saturday, walking down from the mud baths, naked and covered with mud
like a creature from another world, standing on the rise above the dance area
watching us as we watched him.  (The man is master of wardrobe, even when he
isn't wearing any clothes.)

Lounging on the terraced grassy gardens, baking even though we were under the
shade of the redwoods, wishing for a frozen margarita, and having Dave walk up
with a cooler of cold, cold, icy Tequate beers to share.

Napping late Saturday afternoon, and waking to find the village of tents had
sprung up around me while I slept.

Watching Andrew show the littlest ones how to feed what looked like catfood to
the fish in the garden's brick trellised fish pond, and suddenly the huge trout
go into feeding frenzy, churning the water, until it quieted to a smooth surface
again.

A naked boy and girl, about four years old, walking in the tiered cultivated
gardens, sharing flowers and talking softly, it was the Garden of Eden.

Overhearing someone ask "have you seen a tent with a metallic whirly-gig on it?
I'm looking for Leslie Ayres" and I'm sitting right next to him -- Hi Lee!

Nightfall Saturday, the anticipation of the full-force tribal gathering, with
the full moon rising above the mountain, shining down between a frame of
redwoods on us.

Brendan, dancing smoothly, smiling, gliding in the dark on the grassy flat dance
area, with swirling green glowsticks leaving trails in the dark.

The firedance woman, twirling blazing fireballs on long ropes in intricate
designs.

Tim (knucklehead), sore ribs or not, standing in the middle of the dance area,
not moving, with amazement on his face.

Vince, arriving in his full regalia with skirt and blue metallic shirt, then
letting Ed wear his silver rubberized op-art 2-foot-tall stovepipe hat, with me
adding the condition that Ed had to dance up to the front of the dance area,
smiling at everyone along the way, dance in front of the dj, then come back,
making sure to look at everyone, because he is wearing the "vibe" hat -- and he
loved it so much we passed it onto several other people to have their turn.

Going to catch a nap early Sunday morning, and the mountain is vibrating,
throbbing like it's breathing or its heart is beating, as the bass echoes upward
to the sky but also downward into the earth.  I thought we were having an
earthquake, I actually got up to look outside my tent.

Saying goodbye on Sunday to those who had to leave, and watching new faces
appear from down the lane, coming for the full moon party.

Flush toilets, yes really, set on wooden platforms surrounded by lattice and
bamboo screens, open to the trees up above (yep, that's really the lap of
luxury).

Polywog in the early light Monday, playing Patsy Cline and any damn thing she
felt like, and everyone appreciating they were listening to someone who hears
music in an entirely different way and is willing to show us how.

Wayne and Marcy, naked in the Eel River, sitting wrapped together on a rock
kissing, showing us that love is real, and forgetting that they had asked me to
take their picture as they forgot anyone else is there (that will be one awesome
photo).

I want to thank all of my friends, old and new, for being part of that amazing
three days with me -- even those who went to F-8, because we felt your presence
too -- At least I know I have had one weekend in ShangriLa.  We are truly
blessed.

Leslie  : )





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From: Paul Abramson <pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU>
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Looks like our destination is come*unity tonight (at 1015 folsom)..  still
working on some recalcitrant souls, but at least Shawna and I will be
there.  I'll try to find my laminate around here somewhere.... 

smiles,
paul


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Since I never get to go to these events that happen during the week and i 
am spending this entire week in this beautiful city, I will be going to CU.

For those sfravers I have not met yet (an increasing # of you at that) 
look for me!
I'll be wearing a sleeveless white funky shirt with green trim and jeans.
I've long brown hair and stand about 5'6", so come up and say hi and i 
sill introduce you to my friend from London, too. (who also had a BLAST 
at Tribal Future!)

Didn't think I would ever show my face at 1015 again, but CU isn't just a 
club. :)

love,
Amy 


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In a message dated 96-06-05 21:26:12 EDT, pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU (Paul
Abramson) writes:

>Looks like our destination is come*unity tonight (at 1015 folsom)..  still
>working on some recalcitrant souls, but at least Shawna and I will be
>there.  I'll try to find my laminate around here somewhere.... 

I'll be there - look for me!  I'll be wearing my HOSTESS t-shirt.

cya,
Rebecca


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Mist wrote:

looking very forward to the nextr f8 party. 


I'd love to know as well!!  My B-Day is next Fri (6/14) and boy would I love 
to celebrate with my love Xris (Chris)!  We have yet to do F-8 together.  
Also, does anyone have any news about any Friends and Family dates?  

One more thing, this goes out to J. Cyr:

Jim, are you referring to the rave camp as being the Disco Inferno?  Chris 
and I would love to know how the meeting went?


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Ok, kids, I'm leaving tomorrow from Austin to visit you all in SF! I'll be
at Basics on Saturday night and (hopefully) Spundae as well. I'll be the
guy with the Texas Raves lamintae around my neck and will 'prolly be
wearing either a Texas Raves t-shirt or a Team Love/MDMA/X t-shirt. Be sure
to say "Hi"!!!

Hugz,
-Chet

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               of moral endeavor. 2. The pursuit of pleasure.



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 09:56:40 1996
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Greetins,
I'm getting in a little late on the conversation, where did you rent these
cabins?, $?, etc.  I would really like to go but not sure if I'll be able to
drive.  Anyone have room for 1 happy shiney person?  I can contribute $,
camping stuff, food, smiles, etc.
Steveo


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Hmm I didnt to the renting. So for more information post to 
socal-raves@ucsd.edu, KC or someone will give you the number to call to 
rent a cabin. Already the socal folks have a corner of town with about 
5-7 cabins rented. I'am sure they would be happy to have some sfraves 
neighbors.

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:

> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:55:56 -0400
> From: SteveOSac@aol.com
> To: aleph1@dfw.net
> Cc: jasongreen* <jason_green*@quickmail.apple.com>,
>     alephone <aleph1@dfw.net>, tonyrose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>,
>     leftjab <leftjab@well.com>,
>     scottnelson <drenalin@lettuce.salinas.net>, sfraves@hyperreal.com
> Subject: Re: Care-a-van
> 
> Greetins,
> I'm getting in a little late on the conversation, where did you rent these
> cabins?, $?, etc.  I would really like to go but not sure if I'll be able to
> drive.  Anyone have room for 1 happy shiney person?  I can contribute $,
> camping stuff, food, smiles, etc.
> Steveo
> 

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From: Jim Cyr <surfpunk@well.com>
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well, let's see

first of all the "Disco Inferno" name is meant to be coy
and ironic in keeping with Burning Man's stated theme of "A Season in Hell"

the basic idea is to rent and transport a massive sound system with
all the whistles and bells (generator, lights, satellite hook-ups, altars,
things to burn, mirror ball) and have it set up and ready to go
by Weds. August 28th (the night of the Full Moon)

we would like for this to be a cooperative venture involving
Friends and Family, Pacific, Spaz, F8, CCC, Gateway, Ultraviolet,
St. John's, The River and Section 23 (from Manchester UK) - And be open
to others who are into this whole scene for the love of whatever music
they're into and not into profit-mongering

the estimate is that this would cost 3 to 5 thousand dollars to pull
off properly
since we are all essentially poor, the idea would be for the above listed
to collaborate on a couple of outdoor parties as fund raisers (with a 
suggested $5 donation) prior to Burning Man and a post Burning Man
event on the Saturday following (as a reunion and final fundraiser if
necessary) - this should raise the necessary funds 

i know that some of the above listed collectives own their own sound 
system, but i think it would be fun to have a really great LOUD system
and not wreck havoc on any collective's smaller system

The parties would start at sunset on Wednesday with an opening ritual
by The River and then perhaps the Gateway Full Moon Collective would take
over - each night could be one or two of the above listed groups 
collaborating on something with a fully organized list of who plays when
throughout the weekend
There would be something in this mega-camp every night from 9pm to 9am

All of the equipment would be set on pallets and enclosed in tents in the
event of sudden weather changes - top priority would be on protecting the
equipment so that each collective gets a fair opportunity to put on a
version of what they like to do - from old school to goa with a thread of
ceremonial intent throughout

The suggestion for the first fund raiser would be July 3rd.

I am not entirely naive - though that is debateable - I realize that
this will require the endorsement and participation of most of the listed
cooperatives along with the endorsement and participation of most people
on sfraves

Disco Inferno (ideally) would be set up a couple of miles east of the
Man with the speakers pointed east - the idea would be to keep the area
east of the dance space totally clear of cars and campsites so that each 
sunrise could be fully experienced by the dancers, with camping, cars
and porta potties set up to the west, south or north of the dance space

I'd like as much input on this as possible
and also like to have the next meeting next wednesday  in either
San Francisco or the south bay

Feedback?


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 11:46:53 1996
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From: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>
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Hey guys and gals,

What the heck is going on?  The list is very low volume.  That is soooo 
strange.  The only other time I've seen that is during Burning Man.  I 
only had about 12 messages between yesterday and today.  I'm not 
complaining or anything :)  I was 
just wondering why everyone is so quiet?  I'm in awe; sfravers *without* 
anything to say.  Damn!!  :)

Hey, I have a neat topic, maybe a bit strange, but here goes..

Saturday night at Tribal Future my friends and I started talking about 
the first music we can remember hearing that piqued our interest.  Mine 
was "Nazareth, Hair of the Dog"  I was in Elementary school and this is 
the first music I remember listening to.  I remember re-playing track one 
on the 8 track cassette over and over again covertly when my big sis was 
gone!!!  :) :)  What's yours?

Nostalgia...hmmm

cheers,
KaySEE
              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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Methinks I'll be heading to Basics...

who else?

-m.


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 12:41:43 1996
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Hey everyone,
I am new to sfraves but I've been into parties for awhile.

Can someone give me the info. on basics this weekend.

Thanx~
:0)
nikki

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Come*unity was a whole lotta fun last night... All of the things that
could have been negatives (sometimes-slow untrancey music, club
atmosphere, etc.) somehow actually added something to my experience..

It was also fun to see lots of sfravers (even some I hadn't met before!) 
and to be transported by such a huge, grooving crowd (especially for a
wednesday night).  Just what I needed!! 

Thanks to Shawna for her (always) good company!!  Now, it's time to get
down to some serious learning.

See y'all!

8-D Paul P-8

"this is your brain"
"this is your brain on acetylcholinesterase inhibitors..... "
"any questions?"



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embarrassing as it is, I remember going crazy over Wham! in about the 5th 
grade....(Wake me up before you go go/ don't leave me hanging 
on goin' solo).........and my first three vinyls were (in order) Madonna, 
cindi Lauper and Run DMC....What can I say...I was the product of the suburbs!

-jessica

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OK, I am sucked in...my first favorite song was when I was in fourth
grade...casey casem used to be so cool!...;)...but it was mr. Roboto by
styx...I still think it would make a good rave anthem!

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jessica Robin Berkson wrote:

> embarrassing as it is, I remember going crazy over Wham! in about the 5th 
> grade....(Wake me up before you go go/ don't leave me hanging 
> on goin' solo).........and my first three vinyls were (in order) Madonna, 
> cindi Lauper and Run DMC....What can I say...I was the product of the suburbs!
> 
> -jessica
> 


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Other than classical music which I was weaned on and which will remain a
most enduring passion, the following two first music experiences stand
out:

1. Rubber Soul by the Beatles (for all you young'uns who don't remember)
Favorite track:  "I'm looking through you, where did you go. I thought I
knew you, what did I know".....etc...

2. the HAIR soundtrack - we had a two album set, one record was red and
the other one was green - the green one had a huge crack in it but if you
lined the edges up just right it would still play!  "once upon-a-looking
for Donna, girl, she was a sixteen year-old virgin"....etc....


Great topic KaySee

		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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hi,

could anyone tell em what the line-up is for this party?

thanks a bunch!

-amy

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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Amy Martin wrote:

> hi,
> 
> could anyone tell em what the line-up is for this party?
> 
> thanks a bunch!
> 
> -amy
> 
I don't have the flyer in front of me, but I believe it is Garth, Tony,
Josh, Doc Martin, Doran, and Brownie.  The only one I'm not sure about is
Josh....  It should be a great party.  Anyone else hear any rumors about
possible locations (in the city, east Bay etc.?)
smlies
Andrew


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hello all-

just so you know, my brothers were playing peter gabriel when i was born,
and i have been listening to him ever since.  i was rather suprised when i
found out that not all people enjoyed his music.

glad to enter into the conversation of a not-normally quiet list!

peace, love, and good music-

matt l


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Mine I had to say was a song that I still do not know the name or who
sang it but I must say  have only heard it sampled a million times since 
then . .. . 

"When I hear music it makes me dance!"

Along with Madonna and Prince and Culture club, david Bowie (my first
albums)
Cassandra

P.S. Who is going to Basics?
ANyone from SOuth Bay?

On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Tony Rose wrote:


> OK, I am sucked in...my first favorite song was when I was in fourth
> grade...casey casem used to be so cool!...;)...but it was mr. Roboto by
> styx...I still think it would make a good rave anthem!
> 
> * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
> Paul Anthony Rose
> UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jessica Robin Berkson wrote:
> 
> > embarrassing as it is, I remember going crazy over Wham! in about the 5th 
> > grade....(Wake me up before you go go/ don't leave me hanging 
> > on goin' solo).........and my first three vinyls were (in order) Madonna, 
> > cindi Lauper and Run DMC....What can I say...I was the product of the suburbs!
> > 
> > -jessica
> > 
> 
> 


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> What the heck is going on?  The list is very low volume.  That is soooo 
> strange.  The only other time I've seen that is during Burning Man.  I 
Its hot. too hot to type :)
actually, just been so busy 
recovering from lost work time from TF, havent even been reading the list.

> 
> Saturday night at Tribal Future my friends and I started talking about 
> the first music we can remember hearing that piqued our interest.  Mine 
> was "Nazareth, Hair of the Dog"  I was in Elementary school and this is 

hmm... Maybe a song called Rhinestone Cowboy. I think thats the 
first musical memory I have. Definately before I remember school of any sort.
so Pre Pre school :)

Ohh.. not sure when the Sesame Street songs became emblazened on my psyche.
Maybe they come first.

take care
KcROY

oh. forgot to cc sfraves - foreward this for me, will ya?

 





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>Anyone else hear any rumors about
>possible locations (in the city, east Bay etc.?)

I heard possibly at the Oakland "Gathering" warehouse.

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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I think my first vinyls were Kraftwerk and Art of Noise.... :)

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My first memories of music are from catholic church. I don't know what to 
make of that, but I still hum incessant choir songs on occasion.

musically challenged,

-alberT

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Emi's is a Korean / party jazz place in Santa Cruz famous for fun have 
some kim chi and listen to MARKIE for a buck tonight 408.427.5688
-- 
salutations, al@ameba

PS thanks all for the Phat reviews WALTER loved having you " a good 
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FROM: Robert Brown
*** Resending note of 06/06/96 13:21

SUBJECT: Re: my first music experience..

>OK, I am sucked in...my first favorite song was when I was in fourth
>grade...casey casem used to be so cool!...;)...but it was mr. Roboto by
>styx...I still think it would make a good rave anthem!

  Actually this Styx concert tour was my very first concert that I went to
  with my best friend!  Nostalgia indeed... say them in Boise of all places.


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Without going back to the "first" music I recall hearding ....

  I recall when I was about 12, standing at some record bins at the air 
base BX and seeing these 45's by this new group, I'd never heard of... I 
asked an older woman ( but now I wonder what "older" meant to me then ) what
they were like and she answered that they were "pretty good for a rock &
roll group"... so I bought 2 of the 45's took them home and listened away...
Yea this stuff was pretty good after all... the records: I Want to Hold Your
Hand / I Saw Her Standing There   Twist & Shout/??? Not sure of exact 
flip side...

Just another of us sleepers,

Mike

PS Be thankful for short rests... we'll start the mailbox stuffing later...




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First favorite song?  Hard to remember that far back...  "Ho Ho Ho, It's 
Magic".  I was 12.  I don't suppose anyone knows who the heck sang that one?

S


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*File Description: Berkeley California*


    "Berkeley California"

(Sung to the tune "Hotel California" by the Eagles)

 In a dark dim machine room
 Cool A/C in my hair
 Warm smell of silicon
 Rising up through the air
 Up ahead in the distance
 I saw a Solarian(tm) light
 My kernel grew heavy, and my disk grew slim
 I had to halt(8) for the night
 The backup spun in the tape drive
 I heard a terminal bell
 And I was thinking to myself
 This could be BSD or USL
 Then they started a lawsuit
 And they showed me the way
 There were salesmen down the corridor
 I thought I heard them say

 Welcome to Berkeley California
 Such a lovely place
 Such a lovely place (backgrounded)
 Such a lovely trace(1)
 Plenty of jobs at Berkeley California
 Any time of year
 Any time of year (backgrounded)
 You can find one here
 You can find one here

 Their code was definately twisted
 But they've got the stock market trends
 They've got a lot of pretty, pretty lawyers
 That they call friends
 How they dance in the courtroom
 See BSDI sweat
 Some sue to remember
 Some sue to forget
 So I called up Kernighan
 Please bring me ctime(3)
 He said
 We haven't had that tm_year since 1969
 And still those functions are calling from far away
 Wake up Jobs in the middle of the night
 Just to hear them say

 Welcome to Berkeley California
 Such a lovely Place
 Such a lovely Place (backgrounded)
 Such a lovely trace(1)
 They're livin' it up suing Berkeley California
 What a nice surprise
 What a nice surprise (backgrounded)
 Bring your alibies

 Windows NT a dreaming
 Pink OS on ice
 And they said
 We are all just prisoners here
 Of a marketing device
 And in the judges's chambers
 They gathered for the feast
 They diff(1)'d the source code listings
 But they can't kill -9 the beast
 Last thing I remember
 I was restore(8)'ing | more(1)
 I had to find the soft link back to the path I was before
 sleep(3) said the pagedaemon
 We are programmed to recv(2)
 You can swap out any time you like
 But you can never leave(1)

 [ substitute whirring of disk and tape drives for guitar solo ]

Written by David Barr <barr@pop.psu.edu>
and Ken Hornstein <kenh@physci.psu.edu>
and a little help from Greg Nagy <nagy@cs.psu.edu>

and thanks to the lyrics archive at cs.uwp.edu


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On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Cassandra Ann Thomas wrote:

> Mine I had to say was a song that I still do not know the name or who
> sang it but I must say  have only heard it sampled a million times since 
> then . .. . 
> 
> "When I hear music it makes me dance!"

That would be "When I Hear Music" by Debbie Deb (Jam Packed Records, SUN 
413, 1983, for all you trainspotters...). Classic early electro/freestyle 
from Miami. 

As for me Kraftwerk's "Computer World" blew my mind in the 5th grade. But 
Bach's Tocatta and Fugue in D minor is probably the first song I was 
really nuts about.

marc


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Mozart. Pretentious but true. I was about 8 or nine. I can't recall the
particular piece.
Tim

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>First favorite song?  Hard to remember that far back...  "Ho Ho Ho, It's 
>Magic".  I was 12.  I don't suppose anyone knows who the heck sang that one?

The Cars!!!!

Ok, my first musical mussings must have been Styx.  This is kinda 
embarassing, but I rembember standing in front of a mirror lip syncing 
and dancing around to "Blue Collar Man". or was it White collar Man..... 
on my walkman.  My older brother and a bunch of his friends came in the 
room started making fun of me.  My brother was really mean to me when I 
was a kid.   anyways, I was 8 years old when that happend.  I also 
remember listening to alot of Kiss and Journey.

A few poeple have mentioned Styx as their first musical 
experience.....makes ya wonder if Styx music was giving off some sort of 
'pre-rave-vibe'........

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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I'm glad no one said "Get up and Boogie"!  But what about the old funk?
Surely someone out there was hip to da funk?

:)  - E



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>
>
>On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Jessica Robin Berkson wrote:
>
>> embarrassing as it is, I remember going crazy over Wham! in about the 5th
>> grade....(Wake me up before you go go/ don't leave me hanging
>> on goin' solo).........and my first three vinyls were (in order) Madonna,
>> cindi Lauper and Run DMC....What can I say...I was the product of the
>>suburbs!
>>
>> -jessica
>>


     I loved Kool & the Gang.  (You've got to cool it now, cooooool watch out!)
The first piece of vinyl I ever got though was from my mom for my 5th or
6th birthday.  It was called My First Disco Album and I still have it.  The
songs?
        -Copacabana
        -Dance With Me
        -Shake Your Booty
        -That's the Way I Like It
        -Do the Hustle
        -Dance Across the Floor
        -Shadow Dancing
        -With a Little Luck

My 2nd piece of vinyl was a record called Smurfing Sing Song.  That was a
good one too.  It had a song called "You're a Pink Toothbrush"  That was
probably my favorite.  After that it was Michael Jackson, Madonna, Huey
Lewis and The News (still can't believe that one) and last but not least,
that King Tut song.  I can't remember now who sang it but I used to dance
around the house and sing at the top of my lungs.  I liked it cuz it had a
funky beat.  Anyone else?

-Nancy



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*** Reply to note of 06/06/96 17:01
FROM: Robert Brown

SUBJECT: Re: my first music experience..

  Nancy, Steve Martin did "King Tut".  That was a funny album
  and I had it on vinyl but it's long lost by now...


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When I was 13 a friend gave me a tape with Depeche Mode's 
'Speak & Spell'. I was crazy about it and Depeche Mode 
became my first favorite band (first record, first concert, ...).

And I still like their music.


Thomas

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I just got this message... This could be a highly amusing e-mail
exchange.... :) :) 

) paul (

p.s. of course, I am not the author

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:38:04 +0100 (BST)
To: pabrams@itsa.ucsf.edu
Subject: Sexual nature Sexual culture...

Dear Sir, my name is Nina Lagesson, and I am currently doing my PhD.
at the University of Bath in the U.K.  Can you please confirm to me that
it is in fact yourself who edited the above volume, together with Steven
Pinkerton, as I am having some trouble finding the correct e-mail address,
this one I obtained from American OnLine.  If it is you, would you allow
me to reply to you, I have soe questions with regards to the text, my
subject of my PhD is 'Sexuality and Violence' 

Yours sincerely, 

Nina.


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Well...Tomorrow is my last day of having my internet connection & email 
address.  It will be my last day of work down in Irvine & that is where I have 
my connection. 

The sad thing is I'm moving to San Francisco on the 16th of June & will not 
have a computer for a while. I have yet to meet any of you & now that I will 
have more opportunities, I lose my email address!!!  As soon as I get a 
computer, I will return to sfraves!!!

Even though I will not be on the list for a while, I will definitely be at 
some gatherings!!!  I have long blonde hair...Oops...sorry, I forgot I chopped 
it off!!!!  Now my blonde hair is a bob!!!  I will be the one dressed in black 
dancing all night with a big smile on my face!!1  I know that describes a lot 
of us!!  Sometimes I will be up dancing against the speaker...something I 
picked up down here in LA.  Well, anyways,I hope I meet some of you people!!  
I've enjoyed being on this list!!!

Luv-Teena



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Dear Jim;

        Count on me for upfront finacial support.

Peace
THX1138

PS. Don't let the name fool ya, you know who this is.


At 10:23 AM 6/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>well, let's see
>
>first of all the "Disco Inferno" name is meant to be coy
>and ironic in keeping with Burning Man's stated theme of "A Season in Hell"
>
>the basic idea is to rent and transport a massive sound system with
>all the whistles and bells (generator, lights, satellite hook-ups, altars,
>things to burn, mirror ball) and have it set up and ready to go
>by Weds. August 28th (the night of the Full Moon)
>
>we would like for this to be a cooperative venture involving
>Friends and Family, Pacific, Spaz, F8, CCC, Gateway, Ultraviolet,
>St. John's, The River and Section 23 (from Manchester UK) - And be open
>to others who are into this whole scene for the love of whatever music
>they're into and not into profit-mongering
>
>the estimate is that this would cost 3 to 5 thousand dollars to pull
>off properly
>since we are all essentially poor, the idea would be for the above listed
>to collaborate on a couple of outdoor parties as fund raisers (with a 
>suggested $5 donation) prior to Burning Man and a post Burning Man
>event on the Saturday following (as a reunion and final fundraiser if
>necessary) - this should raise the necessary funds 
>
>i know that some of the above listed collectives own their own sound 
>system, but i think it would be fun to have a really great LOUD system
>and not wreck havoc on any collective's smaller system
>
>The parties would start at sunset on Wednesday with an opening ritual
>by The River and then perhaps the Gateway Full Moon Collective would take
>over - each night could be one or two of the above listed groups 
>collaborating on something with a fully organized list of who plays when
>throughout the weekend
>There would be something in this mega-camp every night from 9pm to 9am
>
>All of the equipment would be set on pallets and enclosed in tents in the
>event of sudden weather changes - top priority would be on protecting the
>equipment so that each collective gets a fair opportunity to put on a
>version of what they like to do - from old school to goa with a thread of
>ceremonial intent throughout
>
>The suggestion for the first fund raiser would be July 3rd.
>
>I am not entirely naive - though that is debateable - I realize that
>this will require the endorsement and participation of most of the listed
>cooperatives along with the endorsement and participation of most people
>on sfraves
>
>Disco Inferno (ideally) would be set up a couple of miles east of the
>Man with the speakers pointed east - the idea would be to keep the area
>east of the dance space totally clear of cars and campsites so that each 
>sunrise could be fully experienced by the dancers, with camping, cars
>and porta potties set up to the west, south or north of the dance space
>
>I'd like as much input on this as possible
>and also like to have the next meeting next wednesday  in either
>San Francisco or the south bay
>
>Feedback?
>
>


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I'm confused.  I have a flyer (Green- a hard drive to higher 
consciousness) that says markie is at Top of the Wharf Cafe in SC 
tonight.  9:30 pm to 2 am.

-- Aaron

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Drip, drip, drop, little april showers.

Bamby made me cry when I was a little kid (and still does), but that song 
stuck with me for some reason and is the first song I can remember.  I think
Bear Necessity (sp?) form the jungle book was second.  Boy, I must have 
had almost every Disnsy record every made (at that time).


Matt
   Da
    Loaf

I'm just a little black rain cloud :)........


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Regarding my 1st musical experience...

I remember being one of those awkward, nerdy kids in 8th grade (you know 
the ones; no one hung around with them ) and hearing for the 1st time:

"... all in all you're just a-nother brick in the wall..."

Pink Floyd.  Must have been around 1980 or 81.

I also have fond memories of DOUBLE DUTCH BUS.

Hugs-

-- Aaron

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Just found out that Markie will be at Emi's tonight.

$4.00 cover.

L8r-

-- aaron

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I just had a total flashback- I had two earlier records- Peter Paul & 
Mary- with Puff the Magic Dragon, and I had the raddest sesame street 
album- my favorite was Oscar..
			-whether its dirty or dingy  or rusted
			-if it ragged or rotten or busted
			-I love it because its trash!
				(or something like that)

		-jess:)

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At 12:35 PM 6/6/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Methinks I'll be heading to Basics...
>
>who else?


Me too me too! :):)  Hope to see all ya happy ravers there, had a *total*
blast at the last Basics, hope this one'll be as much fun!

Love,
Shawna


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the first music i remember was this weird halloween record we had ... 
with songs like Rock-A-Bye Monster :)  that one scared me, cos it had 
awful sound effects of this poor monster going THUD! out of the tree.

Also, i used to sit in the car when mom went shopping and listen to The 
Irish Rovers!  I loved Bye Bye Bi-Plane, Winken Blinken and Nod, and of 
course The Unicorn :)

boy i'm glad my musical tastes have improved.

k

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The 1st tapes my sister owned were: 
Barry Manilow 
RSO Chartbusters 
 
My 1st tapes that were given to me were: 
Cool and the Gang (Had Let's Groove and Lady Sun on it) 
Weird Al Yankovic 
 
My 1st tape that I bought was: 
Asia 
 
The 1st song that I knew all the words to was: 
Centerfold by The J. Giles Band.  Rage in the Cage was on the reverse side 
 
I also owned some 45's which included: 
Another one bites the dust/Don't try Suicide: Queen 
Ain't never gonna break my stride: Mathew Wilder 
 
I also remember listening to a Snoopy 45 album with "The red Barron" on it 
 
I just recently bought Barry Manilow's Greatest Hits Volumes 1thru 3! 
Anyone else a fan? 
 
--erik

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On Thu, Jun 6, 1996 7:14:40 PM  at Jessica Robin Berkson wrote: 
 
>I just had a total flashback- I had two earlier records- Peter Paul &  
>Mary- with Puff the Magic Dragon, and I had the raddest sesame street  
>album- my favorite was Oscar.. 
>   -whether its dirty or dingy  or rusted 
>   -if it ragged or rotten or busted 
>   -I love it because its trash! 
>    (or something like that) 
> 
>  -jess:) 
> 
When do I get to meet you, Jess? 
 
--erik

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I dig barry manilow.  also air supply.  can you believe their greatest 
hits cd is still around 20 bucks!!! even today.

any other air supply fans out there.  c'mon... don't be bashful...

:)

L8r-

-- aaron

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FUCK, FUCK, FUCK! 
 
Get this shit: 
 
Maybe I'm retarded, but on the east coast, the only time you get charged
for a telephone call is when you dial a 1 in front of it.  There is no
"toll call"  bullshit. 
 
Soooooooooooo.  I've been using what I thought was a free call to access
the net.  
BUT, I just opened my phone bill and learned that I've been charging about
$25/day in calls to what I thought was a local number because it didn't
have a one in front of it. 
 
SO, I now owe the pacific FUCKING bell about $500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And
guess what? 
I can't pay it.  So what the fuck to I do?  I just spent everything I owned
to get to San Fran.  And I don't have a stable job yet. 
 
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This is BULLSHIT! 
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this is crazy!  
 
Any suggestions? 
 
If I don't pay, than Milt (moonpup) is screwed, big time.  Say goodbye to
credit history.

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Aside from singing little songs in school with the class, my first real
memories of music that I dug was reggae.  Any reggae lovers out there
remember that old 1971 soundtrack from The Harder They Come by Jimmy Cliff?
I was just telling Paul A last night as a matter of fact, how "Johnny Too
Bad" was the very first song I ever memorized the entire lyrics too.  Heh
heh..  And I have distinct memories (yes I was dancing even then!) of 2nd or
3rd grade when I'd go into the living room, shut all the doors, make sure no
one was looking, put on the song Exodus by Bob Marley, and dance my ass off
thru the whole song! :)  Hee hee!  How mortified I'da been had any grownups
caught me, heaven forbid somebody should see me dance! ;)

Love,
Shawna


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Basics and Down to Earth look pretty good for Saturday; I haven't checked
out a lot of the new weeklies, so I don't know what to tell ya bout those.
There was supposed to be a big party "Organic '96" later, with lots of 
big acts, but rumor has it the SF show is being scaled back - I'll post
info when it firms up.


                                THE SFR CALENDAR
                                       
    http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi
    
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area

   Friday, June 7th - The SF House Collective presents _Life_
   Tracy, Garth, Carlos, Jeno.
   Birthday party for Carlos
   415.615.8559
   
   Friday, June 7th - _Altered States_
   Danee, Jesse, Bee, Paucus, Chad, Murry, guest.
   415.679.3113
   
   Friday, June 7th - The Three Wise Men presents The Great Escape
   8:30pm-. SF. 415.586.7290
   
   Saturday, June 8th - choice... presents Basics 
   Tony, Josh, Garth, Doc Martin, Doran, Brownie, Astral Matrix (live).
   E.S.W.H/H.O.B.M./C.C.C./H.B.T.U.K.
   415.905.9629
   
   Saturday, June 8th - _Down to Earth_
   Galen, John Howard, Solar, Pete Moss, Little T, Laron.
   Visuals by Mark Johns.
   $7 before 11pm
   415.985.7109
   
   Friday, June 14th - AstralScapes Inc. presents _Orion_
   A Journey Through Sound
   Tyler, Wizard, Talizman, Jon Santos, Solar, Shoam, Candy Land Twinz,
   Myste, Minor Minor, Trent, Noel, UFO, Karizma, Thad, Hannibal Selecta,
   OM, Rig-A-Tony, OBSO, Consciousness Lab Ambient Sound Research.
   presale tix at Frequency-8, Getta Clue (Sac) and Garment Lounge (Oak)
   415.273.1190 916.392.9105
   
   Saturday, June 15th - _Magic Circle_
   Sifu, Phonic, Mike P, Tony Fader.
   10pm-, 18+, $7. 510.433.9770
   
   Saturday, June 15th - Nexus presents _Second Chakra_
   Dale Charles (Boston), Pete Moss (Boston), Jeno, Donald Glaude, DJ
   Quest, Carlos, Dreamer, Kwashi, Essence.
   8pm-8am, . SF. 510.667.3492 415.337.4263
   
   Saturday, June 15th - Frank Nitty and the Brotherhood presents
   _Indonesia_
   Frank Nitty, DJ Ghost, E Flow (Sweden), Rick Preston, Kwashi, Essence,
   Dope Cat, J Mack.
   415.560.5324 415.340.5607 408.235.9344
   
   Friday, June 21st - Rain Dance presents _summer solstice tribal dance_
   Jeno, Markie, Mark Farina, Tracy, Rob.
   presale tickets at Ameba
   415.965.5045 510.889.2922 408.425.3316
   
   Saturday, June 22nd - Full Circle Productions presents _Sankofa_
   Mark Gage (Vapour Space), Rabbit in the Moon, DJ Monk, Vicious Vic,
   Wade Hampton, Terry Mullan, Justin, Ernie Munson, DJ Dan, Simon,
   Garth, Jeno.
   415.675.9956 510.986.9089
   
   Tuesday, June 25th - _Crash Worship_
   live tribal/industrial band
   $10. Trocadero, 520 4th St @ Bryant, SF. 415.995.4600
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Tribal Funk_
   Tony, Josh, Galen, guests.
   
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _Chateau de Boom_
   fundraiser for San Mateo AIDS Services
   noon-8pm, $3. Hillsboro "classic spelling". 415.572.3250
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _rhumboogie_
   Rob Doten, Gavan, Gina.
   9pm-2am, 21+. coco lounge, 139 8th St @ Minna, SF.
   
   Friday, July 12nd - Drip Drop Productions presents _Nafarius_
   415.436.0979 408.421.7189
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - 6 in da Mornin Productions presents _Ground Zero_
   Jim Hopkins, Simon, Ghost, Atommix, Josh, Liquid, Frank Nitty, Kimo,
   Essence, Kwashi, Spinner.
   Visuals by C.A.D., Trips R Us.
   120,000 sq ft indoor/outdoor action
   800.590.7032 415.709.7989
   
   Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996
   includes Wicked Sound System.
   save $10 by registering by June 1st.
   runs entire weekend, through September 2nd.
   All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471
   
   
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W E E K L I E S

   House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may
   have ended - let me know when that happens...
   
  Thursday
  
   Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black,
   guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984
   
   Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. Agenda Bass-ment, 399 S 1st @
   San Salvador, SJ. 408.235.1556
   [6.6 - Garth, Jonathan]
   
   _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527
   Valencia, SF.
   
   Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew
   Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3.
   Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF.
   
   Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the
   balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @
   Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019
   
   .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th
   21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF.
   
   _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis,
   guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508
   
   _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month
   9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento.
   916.565.9588
   
   _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin,
   John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th
   St, SF. 415.252.7740
   
   _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of
   the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz.
   
   _Thirzdaze_ - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald
   Glaude, guests. details to follow.
   
   
  Friday
  
   _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guets.
   9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF.
   415.543.1300
   
   _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free
   before 10:30
   9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose.
   
   _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez,
   Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight.
   11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730
   
   _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come
   too).
   10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF.
   
   _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721
   Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285
   
   the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas,
   caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson
   @ 10th, SF.
   
   _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+,
   $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568
   [6.7 - DJ Duke]
   [6.14 - Westbam, Hardsequencer]
   [6.21 - CJ Mackintosh]
   [6.28 - Derrick May]
   
   _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067
   
   _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma,
   weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento.
   415.273.1345 916.558.0850
   
   _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF.
   
  Saturday
  
   _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady,
   Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning
   6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF.
   
   _Sound Factory _- big club sounds
   9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300
   
   _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.
   Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457
   
   55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55
   Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858
   
   _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason,
   Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights.
   10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903
   
   Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Ellen Ferrato, Dave
   Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF.
   415.703.7172
   
   _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests.
   2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730
   
   _Nuff Respect _- Jungle w/DJs StarEyes, Thad. 5pm-9pm, Free. Your
   Mama's Cafe, 5239 College Ave @ Broadway, Oakland, Oakland.
   510.601.YOUR
   
   phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424
   Haight, SF. 415.995.4699
   
   _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom
   Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719
   [6.8 - Two Year Anniversary block party w/Josh Jones, Hueman Flavor,
   Andrew Jervis]
   
  Sunday
  
   _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly
   guests. free b4 10:30p
   For Technotica, call 415.764.2922
   10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389
   
   _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J,
   Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore,
   SF. 415.771.2583
   
   _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B,
   guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256
   
   Quench - House, Ambient w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests.
   Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room.
   21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330
   
   subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone.
   10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865
   
   Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure,
   Jesse. $5 for under 21;.
   6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183
   
   Mantra - A hypnotic trance-inducing affirmation. w/DJs Dutch, Surge,
   Theta Blip, Abstract, Noel, UFO, guests. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. 683
   Clementina Alley, SF. 415.331.1500x888
   
  Monday
  
    Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius
   Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811
   
   _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight
   St., SF.
   
   _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth,
   m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @
   8th, SF. 415.431.3332
   
   _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu,
   stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151
   Folsom St, SF.
   
   _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs
   Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358
   
   _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Julio, Kimo. 10pm-2am,
   18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. 415.263.5797
   
  Tuesday
  
    Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani,
   guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF.
   
   Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am,
   21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515
   
   _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley,
   Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the
   Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443
   
   _Shoam_ - Trip-Hop & Drum n Bass Your Mama's Cafe, 5239 College,
   Oakland.
   
   _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump,
   rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF.
   
   _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's
   Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707
   
   _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St,
   SF.
   
   _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free.
   1624 California @ Van Ness, SF.
   
   _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B,
   Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF.
   
   _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko,
   Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all
   9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland.
   
  Wednesday
  
   _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first
   Wednesday of the month.
   10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815
   
   _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the
   ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105
   
   _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests
   in the dub reggae room
   10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713
   
   _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar,
   Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th,
   SF.
   
   _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar,
   1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332
   
   _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear,
   Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St,
   SF.
   
   _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento.
   916.922.8041x4240
   
   _Bubbles_ - deep funky techno house music w/DJs Don Crisp (Crisp
   Records), guests. 9pm-2am, 21+. Babylon, 2260 Van Ness @ Vallejo, SF.
   415.567.1222
   
   _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe
   18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663
   
   _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins
   5.22.
   10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose.
   
   _Jackin' the Box_ - weeklytechnohousejammyinnadetroitchicagostylee
   w/DJs jon santos, samuel, guests. 10pm-2am, 18+, $5. 375 1st St @
   Harrison, SF.
   [6.12 - john howard]
   [6.19 - dial8]
   
   Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Tracy, Dave, Virg,
   guests. admission includes bowling and pool.
   10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San
   Rafael. 415.456.6440
   
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Info Lines

     * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated
       daily.
     * Clubline - 415.979.8686
     * Fatline - 415.207.3668
     * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019
     * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338
     * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788
     * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125
       
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Radio/TV Shows

     * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle
       & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub,
       Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara)
     * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of
       the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno,
       electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis)
     * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation"
       experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi
       nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz)
     * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and
       atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley)
     * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF
       90.3 (SF)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix
       with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench -
       10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and
       noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills
     * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from
       SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF)
     * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1
       KMEL.
     * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best
       in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis)
     * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from
       SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 -
       Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415)
       281-3377. flux@flux.net
     * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and
       Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford)
       
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club
   section (http://www.hyperreal.com/zines/late/clubs/).
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Administrative Notes

   If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't
   possibly hope to get all the info every week.
   
   This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or
   unsubscribe to the calendar mailing list, send e-mail to
   majordomo@hyperreal.com with either the line
   
   subscribe sfraves-calendar or
   unsubscribe sfraves-calendar
   
   There is also an sfraves discussion mailing list for issues related to
   clubs, parties, house and techno music, etc. To subscribe, send e-mail
   to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the line
   
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    Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 19:54:45 1996
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Subject: More bad luck, anyone own a truck?
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More bad luck.... 
 
After I got my second $25 ticket in front of my house for street
cleaning... 
 
I was riding moonpups bike to the beach and around the golden gate park I
got a flat.  I pulled a 2 inch nail out of the tire.  I managed to push the
bike 25 blocks to the Haight area and left it at my friend Jess' Place. 
 
But I need to get it home. 
 
Does anyone own a truck that would be willing to help me transfer it to a
shop to get the tire fixed? 
 
Help me please! 
 
--erik 
 
415-337-6666

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 19:55:37 1996
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From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler )
Subject: Re: Basics 4 Year/Rampant Records Tour
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You wrote: 
>
>
>Finally, a good party here in SF!  Doran hasn't been up here in a 
while, 
>and I'm really looking forward to checking him out...  Anyone else 
going?
>
Of course, I will definatly be there!!! (Crayon suit and all!!!)

Peace,

Greg :)


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 Astrology or Coincidence? 
  
Prior to my streak of bad luck, I posted that I was looking for a decent 
place to get my hair cut (planning to get about a foot taken off).  I got 
several replys and I decided to go with an  SFRaver named Greg's 
recommendation at this place called Belli Capelli.  
  
I called and I was set up to get my hair cut by this guy named Gregory 
(Coincidence?).  While getting my hair cut, we talked and I told him that I

had just packed up my shit and moved to San Fran at the beginning of the 
month.  He said,  "Me too!  I just did the same from Atlanta." 
(Coincidence?)  
  
After some more chatting, he asked my what my sign was.  I said, "Pices".  
He said, "Me, too!"(Coincidence?)  He said his B-day was Mar. 5th.  I said,

"Me, too!" (Coincidence?)  He then proceded to describe me, my personality 
and my thought process over the last month.  It was basically right on!  
The same as his, apparently. (Coincidence?)  
  
He also was into making hats.  I never met anyone before that made hats.  
But Jess  
 (SF Rant and Raver) who I also met recently is/was also into making hats 
with a very similar style (Coincidence?)  
  
I don't know... but I just can't understand coincidence some time.  Makes 
me think that it's not.  But then what is it?  
  
By the way... If anyone wants a fucking great hair cut... go to this guy.  
Maybe he can read your soul, too... like he seemed to read mine.  
  
--erik  
  
**IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER**  
These words were NOT written by moonpup  
He's in London until late August  
  
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then  
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK  
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666 
 
 
 

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Subject: Astrology or Coincidence?
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 Astrology or Coincidence? 
  
Prior to my streak of bad luck, I posted that I was looking for a decent 
place to get my hair cut (planning to get about a foot taken off).  I got 
several replys and I decided to go with an  SFRaver named Greg's 
recommendation at this place called Belli Capelli.  
  
I called and I was set up to get my hair cut by this guy named Gregory 
(Coincidence?).  While getting my hair cut, we talked and I told him that I

had just packed up my shit and moved to San Fran at the beginning of the 
month.  He said,  "Me too!  I just did the same from Atlanta." 
(Coincidence?)  
  
After some more chatting, he asked my what my sign was.  I said, "Pices".  
He said, "Me, too!"(Coincidence?)  He said his B-day was Mar. 5th.  I said,

"Me, too!" (Coincidence?)  He then proceded to describe me, my personality 
and my thought process over the last month.  It was basically right on!  
The same as his, apparently. (Coincidence?)  
  
He also was into making hats.  I never met anyone before that made hats.  
But Jess  
 (SF Rant and Raver) who I also met recently is/was also into making hats 
with a very similar style (Coincidence?)  
  
I don't know... but I just can't understand coincidence some time.  Makes 
me think that it's not.  But then what is it?  
  
By the way... If anyone wants a fucking great hair cut... go to this guy.  
Maybe he can read your soul, too... like he seemed to read mine.  
  
--erik  
  
**IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER**  
These words were NOT written by moonpup  
He's in London until late August  
  
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then  
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK  
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666 
 
 
 

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Sorry but all this misspelling of Bonny Doon is really getting to be a pet
peeve of mine! It's spelled BONNY DOON (not dune) and is named for the town
a few miles up the road where Bonny Doon Rd intersects at HWY 1.


Get it?
Got it?
Good!

Freak Out!
-Sean


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 21:22:51 1996
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Subject: Re: first music experience
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Yes!   Besides memories of Little Feat and Jimmy Cliff on my parents 
turntable, my first musical imprint is Gabriel's voice on The Lamb Lies 
Down on Broadway (1974, when I was 5 years old).

No wonder I'm so strange.  ;-p


On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, lanima00 wrote:

> hello all-
> 
> just so you know, my brothers were playing peter gabriel when i was born,
> and i have been listening to him ever since.  i was rather suprised when i
> found out that not all people enjoyed his music.
> 
> glad to enter into the conversation of a not-normally quiet list!
> 
> peace, love, and good music-
> 
> matt l
> 
> 

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>Come*unity was a whole lotta fun last night... All of the things that
>could have been negatives (sometimes-slow untrancey music, club
>atmosphere, etc.) somehow actually added something to my experience..


Yeah, it was actually a lotta fun!  I've only been to 1015 once before, for
Spundae's three year anniversary a cuppla months ago, and then they had the
whole damn enchilada open, this time they only had pretty much the main
level open, so it was a lot smaller.  But it was still fun, in spite of the
clubby type people & open bars.  Everybody was still there to have fun,
everybody was smiling & dancing!  Yeah, the music was kinda slow, guess
Garth's stuff just isn't really my style, but the experience still made me
smile, so that is a good thing.  Hey did anybody who went catch the Robert
Palmer Girls (remember that song? "might as well face it, you're addicted to
love...") dancing up on that stage above the dj?  Me & Amy S. thought they
were pretty funny! :)


>It was also fun to see lots of sfravers (even some I hadn't met before!) 
>and to be transported by such a huge, grooving crowd (especially for a
>wednesday night).  Just what I needed!! 


Yeah!  Nice to meet some new sfravers, I found a surprisingly large number
of sfravers there actually.  Anybody who's looking to meet Leslie Ayres,
this is the place to find her!  :)


>Thanks to Shawna for her (always) good company!!  Now, it's time to get
>down to some serious learning.


Well it's Paul's fault that I came out at all, he has this uncanny ability
to drag me out dancing right smack in the middle of the week! Props to Paul
for that one folks! :)  I'd never go out anywhere otherwise...


Well hope to see you all at Basics, I'll be the one carrying around a
Jamaican butt-load of glowsticks of every size & color!  I just realized I
now have about fifteen of them to bring to the next party, large and small,
pink, blue, green, yellow, and red! :):)  *If* you're good, I *might* give
ya one! ;)


Love,
Shawna


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From: "-=]madame mercury[=-" <mhg@cats.ucsc.edu>
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By any chance does any one know where Basics is gonna be held this Sat.?  
If it is in the Homebase warehouse in Oakland, it should be phat!
Please let me know....thanx :)

RaVe On!


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 22:45:03 1996
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Hmmm, I believe it was exactly one mile from the man last year, & that was a
hell of a walk, and as far as I know there were no sound bleed complaints.  A
couple of miles would be really harsh on the pedestrians, and would open more
chance to additional people getting run over on the playa.
Just a thought,
Steveo
P.S. what do people think about starting a seperate list for BM, D.I.
brainstorming.  This could get intense (hopefully)

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>By any chance does any one know where Basics is gonna be held this Sat.?  
>If it is in the Homebase warehouse in Oakland, it should be phat!
>Please let me know....thanx :)


Yeah, I've been wondering about getting a little more information on this
one too, Martin's voicemail still has all the information for the April
Gathering!  Hope he changes the voicemail soon.  I also want to know how
much to expect to pay.  Last one was $17.  Sounds like this may be more?

Love,
Shawna


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun  6 23:38:36 1996
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hello all.  my name is dennis and i'll be working in san fran for the 
next few months.  i've been in the scene in baltimore for a little over a 
year and am itching to go to a party.  alas, but i am clueless.

i heard carlos spin a few times in the baltimore/dc area.  he was 
pretty cool.  my quesiton is, can anyone suggest some kick ass parties that
i must attend?  or dj's to look out for?  i'm into funky house and the 
occasional trance.  hard step jungle ain't my thing.

any suggestions would be appreciated.  thanks all.

dennis

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Hi!

 Oboy, here goes... My first radio musical experience was a song called 
"Fox On the Run" by a group called "Sweet"; memorible due to the  
intriguing synth intro. My first album purchased was "Los Chicanos" by 
Cheech and Chong. My first album gifts were "Around the World with 3 Dog 
Night" and the soundtrack to "Live and let Die" by Paul McCartney and 
Wings. 

 My next purchase was a real grab bag - two albums, Barry Manilow's "I 
write the Songs and "Kiss LIve". Go figure.


Ran

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 01:20:14 1996
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mid 70's pop/disco/soul . . .

as an 8-year old the first thing I bought was a 45 called "Shame, Shame,
Shame" by Gloria something . . .not that bad, but then i remember liking
"The Night Chicago Died," "Billy, Don't be a Hero," and "Love Will Keep Us
Together,"  ugh  . . . I still have Chic's greatest hits, a little
precursor for phat bass grooves (peace to Bernard Edwards) . . . the
Beatles rescued me from top 40 when I was 12 -- Rubber Soul is still my
fave of theirs, tho I didn't understand Norwegian Wood at the time . . .

leftjab



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You know what, I showed up and the place was empty. It wasn't even open 
tonight! DAMNIT!

Oh well. Maybe they're taking a break?


Adam
                   

                 R.Lunatic

You wrote: 
>
>I'm confused.  I have a flyer (Green- a hard drive to higher 
>consciousness) that says markie is at Top of the Wharf Cafe in SC 
>tonight.  9:30 pm to 2 am.
>
>-- Aaron
>


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Michal Migurski asks:

>Methinks I'll be heading to Basics...
>
>who else?

Me!! <raises hand>

Hugz,
-Chet

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Lotsa stuff here...

First Amy asks:

>could anyone tell em what the line-up is for this party?

Andrew says:

>I don't have the flyer in front of me, but I believe it is Garth, Tony,
>Josh, Doc Martin, Doran, and Brownie.  The only one I'm not sure about is
>Josh....  It should be a great party.  Anyone else hear any rumors about
>possible locations (in the city, east Bay etc.?)

Mark D. Camp suggests:

>I heard possibly at the Oakland "Gathering" warehouse.

Shawna adds:

>Yeah, I've been wondering about getting a little more information on this
>one too, Martin's voicemail still has all the information for the April
>Gathering!  Hope he changes the voicemail soon.

Ok, here's my $0.02:

I'm really looking forward to going to a party while I'm in SF this weekend
and figured Basics would be it. I also am a HUGE fan of DJ Dan and was
hoping to catch him at some point. So I called the Basics info number and
got the same old recording that Shawna mentioned.

Then I called DJ Dan's booking agent and the woman on the phone looked up
in Dan's book and found that he's booked in North Carolina on Friday night
and booked "at a party called Basics in San Francisco on Saturday night".
Wow! Doc Martin _and_ DJ Dan! This sounds awesome!

One question:

Andrew mentions "Josh". Is this Josh Wink or another (local?) Josh?

Look for me at Basics!!!

Hugz,
-Chet

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 04:19:03 1996
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From: myriad@bbs.tsoft.net (vivid voyage)
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Attn:  SF Peninsula sfravers...  If you are interested in carpooling to 
events in SF or beyond, please email me privately and let me know who you 
are!  Would like to carpool with other sfravers!  Thanks!

--
vivid voyage (myriad@bbs.tsoft.net)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 04:21:53 1996
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hi,

i was just wondering if anyone was planning to go to down to earth this
sat?

anyone?

amy

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Is it just me or is Ameba's web page acting screwey?

Hugz,
-Chet

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 07:45:55 1996
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I thought some people might like this.

----------------------------------------------------------

Bill Gates died in a car accident.  He immediately found himself in
purgatory, being sized up by St. Peter.  "Well, Bill, I'm really
confused on this call; I'm not sure whether to send you to Heaven or
Hell. After all, you enormously helped society by putting a computer
in almost every home in America, yet you also created that ghastly
Windows '95. I'm going to do something I've never done before. In your
case I'm going to let you decide where you want to go." Bill replied,
"Well, what's the difference between the two?" St. Peter said, "I'm
willing to let you visit both places briefly, if it will help your
decision."

Fine, but where should I go first?"  "I'll leave that up to you."
"Okay then," said Bill.  "Let's try Hell first." So Bill went to Hell.
It was a beautiful, clean, sandy beach with clear waters and lots of
bikini-clad women running around, playing in the water, laughing and
frolicking about. The sun was shining; the temperature perfect.  He
was very pleased.

"This is great!" he told St. Peter. "If this is hell, I REALLY want to
see heaven!"

"Fine," said St. Peter, and off they went. Heaven was a place high in
the clouds, with angels drifting about, playing harps and singing. It
was nice, but not as enticing as Hell.

Bill thought for a quick minute, and rendered his decision. "Hmmm. I
think I'd prefer Hell," he told St. Peter.  "Fine," retorted St.
Peter, "as you desire." So Bill Gates went to Hell.

Two weeks later, St. Peter decided to check on the late billionaire to
see how he was doing in Hell.  When he got there, he found Bill,
shackled  to a wall screaming amongst hot flames in dark caves, being
burned and tortured by demons.

"How's everything going?" he asked Bill. Bill responded, with his
voice filled with anguish and disappointment, "This is awful! This is
nothing like the Hell I visited two weeks ago!  I can't believe this
is happening!  What happened to that other place, with the beautiful
beaches, the scantily-clad women playing in the water?!???"

"That was a demo," replied St. Peter.



Tim (knucklehead)



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At 06:35 AM 6/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Is it just me or is Ameba's web page acting screwey?
>


Yeah, I think you're right.  All I found was the logo and nothing else
except a little tiny icon that, when you click on it, it brings you to a
completely blank page.  Still under construction perhaps?

Love,
Shawna


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Yea, Jimmy is pertty dope.  I have the album on cassete too =)


"dance with me..." 

Adam
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 08:15:26 1996
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In a message dated 96-06-07 00:40:10 EDT, shawna-@ix.netcom.com (hey, where
am I?) writes:

> Hey did anybody who went catch the Robert
>Palmer Girls ... dancing up on that stage above the dj?  Me & Amy S. thought
they
>were pretty funny! :)

That's exactly what they were!  Too funny!  Any time I needed a giggle I'd
look up there and watch those girls gyrating with sultry looks on their
faces... too classic!!!

-Rebecca

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From: Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net>
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    Shit! ever since I saw Kaysee's original Post, I had been trying to 
remeber and I couldn't until know; thank you!
Bambi, The Jungle Book and The Fox and The Hound were some of my first 
albums. It always tore me up when I heard the part where Bambi's 
mamma died. After that,it was Michael Jackson Madonna and Culture Club.
                                      memories,
                                    Reagan








On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Matthew Boshko Abrams wrote:

> Drip, drip, drop, little april showers.
> 
> Bamby made me cry when I was a little kid (and still does), but that song 
> stuck with me for some reason and is the first song I can remember.  I think
> Bear Necessity (sp?) form the jungle book was second.  Boy, I must have 
> had almost every Disnsy record every made (at that time).
> 
> 
> Matt
>    Da
>     Loaf
> 
> I'm just a little black rain cloud :)........
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 10:09:26 1996
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Hm.  Well, my first album was AC/DC's "Back in Black".  (Yeah, I'm a rocker) 
 Next was a couple of album's by ELO, including the one with "Telephone".  
Still got all of them, too.  Geez, I wish I had a turntable right about now...

S


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>Get this shit: 

I can't help monetarily, but I can definitely commiserate.  Pac Bell is a 
pack of Phone Nazis.  When I moved into this apartment, they informed me 
that there were two lines coming into the apartment.  I said, "Cool, hook 
them both up", thinking I'd then have a computer line and a voice line.  
Well, come to find out there was only one line.  They insisted they hooked 
up two lines.  They explained that, at the junction box, they hooked both 
lines up.  I told them I didn't give a rat's *ss what they did at that box, 
my apartment only had one incoming line.  I felt that since I didn't have 
access to that second line, I shouldn't have to pay for something I didn't 
actually recieve.  Well, no matter who I talked to, they refused to waive 
the fee for the second installation.

Can you believe they broke up Ma Bell so there'd be "competition"?  If there 
was any real competition, Pac Bell wouldn't treat it's customers like this...

As for the 12-mile radius crap, just remember to call the city you're in or 
one that's immediately adjacent and you're usually ok.

S


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Hmmm...I'm not sure which was exactly the first, but the album that I
most vividly remember is Walt Disney's "Winnie the Poo" album. I
couldn't stop playing that one, especially, "I'm Just a Little Black
Rain Cloud."

As far as adult music is concerned, it was the Beatles, "Strawberry
Fields". No wonder I'm a raver nowadays...

-G-
	[Same old George, now subscribed from the private account]



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---- Begin Forwarded Message


>Send to all friends - young & old, with kids or without!  
>> 
>> >
>> > > >Gary P. Smith,KLCS writes:
>> > > > This is a petition to save Sesame Street.  All you do is add
>> > > > your name on the list and then forward it to everyone you
>> > > > know.  The only time you send it to the included address is
>> > > > if you are the 50th, 100th, etc.  Send it on to everyone you 
>> > > > know.
>> > > >
>> > > > PBS, NPR (National Public Radio), and the arts are
>> > > > facing major cutbacks in funding.  In spite of the efforts of
>> > > > each station to reduce spending costs and streamline their
>> > > > services, the government officials believe that the funding
>> > > > currently going to these programs is too large a portion of
>> > > > funding for something which is seen as "unworthwhile."
>> > > > Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal $1.12
>> > > > per person per year, and the National Endowment for the Arts
>> > > > equals $.64 a year in total. A January 1995 CNN/USA
>> > > > Today/Gallup poll
>> > > > indicated that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS, 
>> > > > third only to national defense and law enforcement as the most 

>> > > > valuable programs for federal funding.
>> > > >   Each year, the Senate and House Appropriations commitees
>> > > > each have 13 subcommitees with jurisdiction over many programs 

>> > > > and agencies. Each subcommitee passes its own appropriation
>> > > > bill.  The goal each
>> > > > year is to have each bill signed by the beginning of the
>> > > > fiscal year, which is  October 1.  In the instance of the
>> > > > Corporation of Public Broadcasting, the bill determines the
>> > > > funding for the next
>> > > > three years.  When this issue comes up in 1996, the funding
>> > > > will
>> > > > be determined for fiscal years 1996-1998.
>> > > >   The only way that our representatives can be aware of the
>> > > > base of support or PBS and funding for these types of programs
>> > > > is by
>> > > > making our voices heard.
>> > > > Please add your name to this list if you believe in what we
>> > > > stand for.
>> > > > This list will be forwarded to the President of the United
>> > > > States, the Vice President of the United States, and
>> > > > Representative Newt
>> > > > Gingrich, who is the instigator of the action to cut funding
>> > > > to these worthwhile programs.
>> > > >   If you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th, etc. signer of
>> > > >  this petition, please forward to :
>> > > >
>> > > > kubi7975@blue.univnorthco.edu.
>> > > >
>> > > > This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them.
>> > > >Forward this to everyone you know, and help us to keep
>> > > >these programs alive.
>> > > >Thank you.
>> > > >
>> > > 
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------


>> > > >
>> > > >1.  Elizabeth Weinert, student, University of Northern 
Colorado,
>> > > >Colorado.
>> > > >2.  Nikki Marchman, student, University of Northern Colorado,
>> > > >Colorado.
>> > > >3.  Laura King, Salt Lake City, Utah
>> > > >4.  Mary Lambert, San Francisco, CA
>> > > >5.  Sam Tucker, Seattle, WA
>> > > >6.  Steve Mack, Seattle, WA
>> > > >7.  Stacy Shelley, Sub Pop Records, Seattle, WA.
>> > > >8.  Amy Saaed, Seattle, WA
>> > > >9.  Jill Hudgins, Atlanta, GA
>> > > >10. Alex Goolsby, student, Colgate University, Hamilton, NY
>> > > >11. Aisha K. McGriff, North Carolina School of Science and Math
>> > > >12. Amy Brushwood, North Carolina School of Science and Math
>> > > >13. Mason Blackwell, student The College of William and Mary
>> > > >14. Melinda Murphy, student, St. Mary's College of Maryland
>> > > >15. Amy Raphael, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > >16. Nancy Adleman, student, Stanford University
>> > > >17. Paul Bodnar, student, Stanford University
>> > > >18. Kunal Bajaj, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > >19. Sharon Seltzer, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > >20. Sugirtha Vivekananthan, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > >21. Ann Wang, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > >22. Seth Resler, student, Brown University
>> > > >23. Leslie Ching, student, Brown University
>> > > >24. Sylvia Barbut, student, Carnegie Mellon University
>> > > >25. Karri Plotkin, student, Carnegie Mellon University
>> > > >26. Kamilla Chaudh, student, Emory University
>> > > >27. Jon Gordon,student,Princeton University
>> > > >28. Nadine Knight, student, Princeton University
>> > > >27. Erica Amianda, student, Johns Hopkins University
>> > > >30. Rachel Pletcher, student, Johns Hopkins University
>> > > >31. Janet Aardema, student, Davidson College
>> > > >32. Kelly Kiefer, student, Davidson College
>> > > >33. Jane Ruschky, student, Davidson College
>> > > >34. Courtney Pace, student, Davidson College
>> > > >35. Allison Patten, student, Northwestern University
>> > > >36. Chad Ballentine, student, Franklin Road Academy
>> > > >37. Allison Patten, student, Northwestern University
>> > > >38. Rachel Allen, student, Rhodes College
>> > > >39. Mary Rose Herbert, student, Guilford College
>> > > >40. Christie Todd, student, Rhodes College
>> > > >41. Athena Petropoulos, Rhodes College
>> > > >42. Kathryn Hoang, student, Rhodes College
>> > > >43. Lan To, student, Rhodes College
>> > > >44. Ben Hagy, student, Reed College
>> > > >45. Stephanie Marrs, student, University of Pennsylvania
>> > > >46. Meg Smith, student, Rice University
>> > > >47. Julian Zinn, student, University of Texas
>> > > >48. Adam Talianchich, student, University of Texas
>> > > >49. Michael GLazner, student, Southwestern Universirty
>> > > >50. Katherine Rainwater, student, Southwestern University
>> > > >51. Will O'Brien, student, Southwestern University
>> > > >52. Meridith McConnell, student, Southwestern University
>> > > >53. Amy Cassata, student, Trinity University
>> > > >54. Heather Hanchett, student, Trinity University
>> > > >55. Mike Elsner, student, Trinity University, San Antonio
>> > > >56. ND Victor Carsrud, student, University of Texas Medical
>> > > >Branch,Galveston
>> > > >57. Michael Eisenstein, Engineer, Dallas, TX
>> > > >58. Tehmina Banatwala, English Teacher, Houston, TX
>> > > >59. Paula Leigh Cox, Account Executive, San Antonio, TX
>> > > >60. Jennifer Franks, Account executive, San Antonio, TX
>> > > >61. Mike Mineo, student, UT medical school, Houston, TX
>> > > >62. Andre de Launay, Amer. Grad. School of Intl.Mgmt, Glendale, 

AZ
>> > > >63. Tawne Bachus, Thunerbird, the American Grad School of Intl.
>> > > >Mgmt., Glendale, AZ.
>> > > >64. Ty Bachus, graphic designer, Herndon, VA
>> > > >65. Thomas Inskip, software engineer, Washington, DC.
>> > > >66. Dana Hollish, Green Seal
>> > > >67. Neil Payne, St. Mary's College, MD
>> > > >68. Douglas G. Davis, Gainesville, Fl.
>> > > >69. Paula Garfinkle, Potomac, MD
>> > > >70. Jeff Boodman, Falls Church, VA
>> > > >71. Erica Sangster, Graduate School of Design, Cambridge MA
>> > > >72. Nathalia Glickman, Graduate student, University of Oregon,
>> > > >Eugene, OR.
>> > > >73. Chee Chan, Ex-Pat, Singapore
>> > > >74. Justin Tan, University of Toronto, Canada
>> > > >75. Sue Burrows, McMaster University, Hamilton, Canada
>> > > >76. Kelly Cox, York University, Toronto, Canada
>> > > >77. Amanda Holt, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, 
Canada
>> > > >78. Sara Fisher, University of Guelph, Guelph, Canada
>> > > >79. Elliot Salmons, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, 
Canada
>> > > >80. Dori Skye, Ryerson Polytechnic University, Toronto, Canada
>> > > >81. Jana Atkins, York University, Toronto, Canada
>> > > >82. Joshua Engel, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
>> > > >83. Haim Gorodzinsky, McGill University, Montreal, Canada
>> > > >84. Melissa Medley, Loyola University Chicago, IL
>> > > >85. Kim Puhr, Loyola University Chicago, IL
>> > > >86. Lena Dukic, Chicago, IL
>> > > >87. Betsy Greer, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC
>> > > >88. Lisa Thompson, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, 
NC
>> > > >89. Ryan Emanuel, Duke University, Durham, NC
>> > > >90. Gautham Venkat, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, 
PA
>> > > >91. Christina Varughese, u of penn, phila, pa
>> > > >92. John Varghese, student,University of Md at Baltimore County
>> > > >93. Jason Putsche, student, University of Md at Baltimore 
County
>> > > >94. Melissa Koponen, student, St John's University, Queens, NY
>> > > >95. Peter C. Frank, student, New York Law School, New York, NY
>> > > >96. Mark J. Bousquet, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic 
Institute, NY
>> > > >97. Roberta E. Chase, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic 
Institute, NY
>> > > >98. David A. Phillips, student, Rensselaer Polytechnic 
Institute,
>> > > >NY
>> > > >99. James E. Charbonneau, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>> > > >100.  Sara M. Eells, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>> > > >101. Courtney Reiter, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>> > > >102. Larissa Buccolo, student, Virginia Tech, VA
>> > > >103. Amanda Hill, student, Indiana University, IN
>> > > >104. Tony Grimes, student, Indiana University, IN
>> > > >105. Laurie Metzger, student, Indiana University, Bloomington, 
IN
>> > > >106. Amy Smith, student, University of Maryland, College Park, 
MD
>> > > >107. Michelle Crispino, student, University of Maryland, 
College
>> > > >Park, MD
>> > > >108. Antonella Cavallo, student, University of Maryland, 
College
>> > > >Park, MD
>> > > >109. Ranjana Varghese, student, University of Maryland, College
>> > > >Park, MD
>> > > >110. Jennifer McCloskey, student, University of Maryland, 
College
>> > > >Park, MD
>> > > >111. Jenni DuBreuil, student, Salisbury State University, MD
>> > > >112. Greg Zapiec, student, Salisbury State University, MD
>> > > >113. Helen Woods, student, Salisbury State University, MD
>> > > >114. Gary Bringman, student, Salisbury, State University, MD
>> > > >115. Ben Martell, student, Noble & Greenough,MA
>> > > >116. Meagan Rock, student, Noble & Greenough, MA
>> > > >117. Melissa Marotto, student, Walnut Hill School for the
>> > > >Performing
>> > > >Arts, MA
>> > > >118. Steven E. Carver, human being, Grandfather, Harley Rider, 
"the
>> > > >Hill," MA
>> > > >119. Virginia Batson, student, Tulane University, LA
>> > > >120. Angelynn Grant, graphic designer, Cambridge, MA
>> > > >121. Jack Woker, business owner, Everett, MA
>> > > >122. Jeff Flagg, staff, University of Texas at Austin, and 
parent
>> > > >123. Mary Ann Pitzer, staff, University of Tx at Austin, and
>> > > >parent.
>> > > >124. Jessica S. Pease, staff, University of Texas at Austin, 
and
>> > > >child that
>> > > >learned to read from watching Sesame Street & other PBS
>> > > >productions.
>> > > >125. Kathryn Samec, staff, University of Texas at Austin, and
>> > > >parent.
>> > > >126. Jennifer Gill, staff, Univ. of TX at Austin, parent
>> > > >127. Bob Gill, Berkeley California, parent.
>> > > >128. David B. Gill, Seattle WA, parent, veterinarian
>> > > >129. Karelle A. Meleo, Seattle WA, parent, veterinarian
>> > > >130. Mike Marder, veterinarian, NY
>> > > >131. Mara Kurtz, graphic designer, NY
>> > > >132. Sasha Kurtz, graphic designer, NY
>> > > >133. Irene Kim, computer animator/designer, NY
>> > > >134. Ignacio Ayestaran, computer animator/designer, NY
>> > > >135. Steve Rittler, Illustrator/Computer 
Animator/Designer/Faculty,
>> > > >Pratt
>> > > >Institute, NYC, NY
>> > > >136. Camille A. Cauti, Graduate Student/Instructor, Columbia
>> > > >University, NYC,
>> > > >NY
>> > > >137. Kenneth Kim, Ass. Producer, Macmillan Digital USA, New 
York,
>> > > >NY
>> > > >138. Aaron Chung, Hoover Institution, Stanford University
>> > > >139. Susanna Chung, Graduate School of Arts & Sciences, 
Columbia
>> > > >University
>> > > >140. Gary P. Smith, Teacher Consultant, KLCS-TV Los Angeles
>> > > >141. John W. Benjamin,  Chief Engineer/MIS KUAT TV Tucson, Az.
>> > > >142. Cheryl L. Dimmick, Accountant, KUAT Communications Group,
Tucson, AZ
>> > > >143.  Frances H. Janssen, Administrative Assistant, The 
University of AZ
>> > > >144.  Angie Toledo,Admin. Assistant, University of 
Arizona,Tucson,AZ
>> > > >145.  kendall alexander, office assistant, student and sesame 
street
watcher
>> > > >- it's not just for kids, you know!, university of arizona, 
tucson, az
>> > > 146.  Judy Grille, Acct Assoc, Univ of AZ
>> > 147.  Christina Mautz, Los Angeles, CA
>> > 148.  Randy Mautz, Los Angeles, CA
> 			149.  Holly Bowyer, Pasadena, CA
>    150.  Charles Bowyer, Pasadena, CA
151.  Eric Chang, Atlanta, GA
152.  Celeste Chan-Wolfe -- Marriage, Family & Child Counselor,
   Los Angeles, CA  --  What?  And lose Frontline, Nova, and Red
   Dwarf??????
153.  Robert Wolfe, Producer, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine,
   Los Angeles, CA 
154. Peter Fogel, Marriage, Family & Child Counselor
    Sanfrancisco, CA  






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I'd like to get a pager.  Just a simple deal, no voice mail yet.  Does
anyone have any suggestions on good companies with good prices, or is that
an oximoron?

Thanks!

Tony



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> Can you believe they broke up Ma Bell so there'd be "competition"?  If there 
> was any real competition, Pac Bell wouldn't treat it's customers like this...

pactel: "Okay, your phone service should be up and running by Weds"

me: "What?  Thats 6 days away, can't you do it any sooner?"

pactel: "No."

me: "I will even pay for quicker service"

pactel: "No.  You can get all mad and hang up on me, but you will end up
just calling me back.  Please be patient"

true story,
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> 
> Michal Migurski asks:
> 
> >Methinks I'll be heading to Basics...
> >
> >who else?
> 
> Me!! <raises hand>
> 
> Hugz,
> -Chet
> 

I'll be there!  Short asian guy with either a jester's cap or
a grey hat on, say hi!  I'll have stickers and goodies :)

	Smiles,
		Chin


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When a company has a monopoly on the market (Pac Bell, TCI, PG&E, 
etc...), the idea of *Good* customer service is completely thrown out the 
window.  They dont have to be nice to you, or cater your every needs, 
because they know that no matter what, they're going to get your hard 
earned money anways.  
-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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It should be OK now, alan just added abunch of frames and moving gifs
so if you ain't usin Netscape 2.x well... you ain't.




>Is it just me or is Ameba's web page acting screwey?
>
>Hugz,
>-Chet
>
>----
>he*don*ism: n. 1. The doctrine that pleasure is the only goal
>               of moral endeavor. 2. The pursuit of pleasure.
>
>
>
>


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Once again, RE: will be performing live at RAW tonight.  We're probably
going to take a break for a few weeks after tonight.  Pieces of my car keep
breaking off from loading the speakers.

RAW Living Foods
1224 9th Avenue at Lincoln
San Francisco

8:00 - 11:30 pm



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I still pine for Tallulah, vamp of the chorus
and Fat Sam's girlfriend.

Boring music and nubile club girls.  
Let me attempt to clarify, ComeUnity was awful.  

Dave


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Heya,

Just saw this blurb on c|net about Apache, the free server software heavily
influenced by your very own sfraves list administrator and Hyperreal
Head Hancho Brian B.

It seems Netscape is jealous....

http://www.cnet.com/Content/News/Files/0,16,1504,00.html

-troy

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Monopolies are great, huh?  I talked to someone from Microsoft about a   
problem with a product (that I hadn't registered).  The woman asked for   
my name, and then read off all this information about me for   
confirmation: address, type of computer, etc.  I asked "How do you know   
all this about me?"  Microsoft reps reply: "Resistance is futile."

Be ascared.
 -Roy

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> Can you believe they broke up Ma Bell so there'd be "competition"?  If
there
> was any real competition, Pac Bell wouldn't treat it's customers like
this...

pactel: "Okay, your phone service should be up and running by Weds"

me: "What?  Thats 6 days away, can't you do it any sooner?"

pactel: "No."

me: "I will even pay for quicker service"

pactel: "No.  You can get all mad and hang up on me, but you will end up
just calling me back.  Please be patient"

true story,
 -troy

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>  Erik wrote: 
> 
>Astrology or Coincidence? 
>  I don't know... but I just can't understand coincidence some time. 
Makes 
>me think that it's not.  But then what is it? 
> 
>By the way... If anyone wants a fucking great hair cut... go to this guy. 
>Maybe he can read your soul, too... like he seemed to read mine. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
 
I'm sure some of it was astrology but I think you probably met this person 
Greg because he was someone you were supposed to me for whatever the 
reason. 
If you ever get the chance read the book Celestine Prophecy.  It has some 
pretty interesting ideas regarding coincidences.  It goes on to explain how

these coincidences are not coincidences at all but rather meaningful things

that were supposed to happen and with good reason.  I have recently tried 
to open myself up more to the spiritual world through reading and talking 
with other people.  Since then, strange things have happened to me although

I think I always had it in me.  I just didn't really know it was there. 
I've had dreams of the future and of people dying and when I wake up it is 
usually happening or about to happen.  I also have been able to hear people

say things before they say them.  I'm not psychic by any means, but I 
believe we all have this ability, we just have to learn to understand it. 
The aborginal people in Australia  are huge believers of the ability to 
speak without words.  For me, all of these things are connected.  We were 
afterall, roaming spirits who jumped into bodies to come down and enjoy the

pleasures of earth.  It makes perfect sense that there are incidences such 
as the one Erik described where we run into people and feel strange 
connections.  Anyone else care to input? 
 
 
 

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Roy Feague wrote:

>Monopolies are great, huh?  I talked to someone from Microsoft about a 
>problem with a product (that I hadn't registered).  The woman asked for 
>my name, and then read off all this information about me for   
>confirmation: address, type of computer, etc.  I asked "How do you know 
>all this about me?"  Microsoft reps reply: "Resistance is futile."

see the may 1996 issue of Boardwatch magazine (www.boardwatch.com) for one of my all-time favorite covers: billgatus of borg.

as roy says, "resistance is futile... you will be assimilated"

b e n   c h u n

ben_chun@community.net
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I've pretty much decided I want to head to Basics tommorow night...

SO:

I can be recognized quickly and effectively by the black n' white striped
stockings sticking out from under my roomy blue shorts, as well as a shiny
blue shirt with a white collar (soccer shirt material stuff?)... there's
also a relatively recent photo of me on my web page (URL in my .sig file).

There's a bunch of you I've been waiting to meet; say hi!

Question: can anyone hook me up with a ride? I'm still not sure how I'm
getting there...

-m.


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testies, testies, 1, 2, 3...

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Hi everyone.  A group of us are going to check out Carlos' bday.  It's 
listed in the calendar if anyone is interested!!  Dubtribe will be 
playing live.  That ought to be cool!!

Anyway, if any of you sfravers venture out to this party, I'll be easy to 
spot tonight.  I'll have on a knee-length silver dress with shoulder straps. 
I will have on VERY silver sneakers that are supposed to glow in the 
dark.  I'm giving these things their trial run tonight, so we'll see if 
they really do glow!!  I'm about 5'4" with brown hair and eyes!.

I shall be dancing wildly, so look for the streak of silver jammin' next 
to you!!

Have fun all of you that are going to Basics.  I bet it will be a blast.  
Sorry to say I won't be in attendance.


              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****



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is there any age-limit thing at RAW?  (21+?)

this is probably a dumb question (sorry!) but i'd hate to drive all the
way to sf just to find out i'm bummed.

thanks,
matt.
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Hey all!!

I just saw in the paper that tickets for a Underworld/Orbital show on the
24th are going on sale.  Anyone know anything about this?  It's at the
Fillmore which doesn't seem conducive to dancing but, I don't know.

See ya this weekend,

       Czefir                        Megan

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I have a mailer with this info:

Tony, Josh, Garth, Doran, Doc Martin, Astral Matrix(live), and DJ Brownie. 
 

	

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	Go to the mountains and the oceans and the forest, go naked in 
	the summertime that you may regain the old joy and love gladly 
	and freely under the stars.

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from the www.flux.net site via bgp: 

Just confirmed! Underworld, Orbital, Space Time Continuum, plus DJ Darren
Price at San Francisco's historic Fillmore on June 24. Tickets on
sale this Sunday, June 9. 
Let's hope they print a Fillmore poster!


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> Just confirmed! Underworld, Orbital, Space Time Continuum, plus DJ Darren
> Price at San Francisco's historic Fillmore on June 24. Tickets on

Lets hope DJ Darren is Darren Emerson from The Underworld, cuz he RIPS 
SHIT UP...

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     Folks,
     
     Moan_mode on;
     
     I've been planning for weeks to party BIG time this w/e. For various 
     reasons (Work - Doh !!) I haven't been out since Origin which seems 
     like an awfully long time ago. You can imagine my sense of exitement & 
     expectation !! Then last night I came a cropper on the footie pitch & 
     gave my knee one hellava twist. Ouch !!
     
     Moan_mode off;
     
     Anyways, I'm gonna hobble out regardless (whatta guy) so whats 
     recommended for tonight ?? Altered States is "oop norf" in Marin while 
     Life looks like the Jerrold Diner - not one of my fave venues !! 
     Suggestions welcome ..
     
     Also, if there's a Sunset going on Sunday I'd really like to hit my 
     first outdoor party. Could some kind soul please send me the info 
     number ? Ta !!
     
     Well 'nuff for now. Hope everybody has a wonderfull w/e & if you see 
     somebody hopping (on one leg that is..) frantically across the dance 
     floor say hello !!
     
     Cheers,


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Hello to everyone,

I'm here to invite all who are interested to the Down To Earth party 
SaturdaY, June 8th.  It will be located at a beautiful performance art, 
live-work space in San Francisco. Musically, the artists performing will 
be:
John Howard
Little t (she is from Vancouver)
Galen
Pete Moss (he is from Boston)
Solar 
Laron

Visually:  Mark Johns will be doing slide and film projections

Also,  DREAM CIRCUS will be doing live artistic performances throughout 
the night.

Admission is $7 before 11pm &  $10 thereafter.
    
IT WILL BE FUN!!!!

PLEASE CALL (415)985-7109   for more information

THANK YOU HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE,
                          dOWN TO eARTH

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun  7 18:53:20 1996
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From: Cami Edwards <cami@netcom.com>
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A little late, but I thought I'd jump on the bandwagon cuz mine is so 
embarrassing.  My first concert was Sean Cassidy, his Born Late tour 
(obviously I wasn't born late enough:).  I was 7 and I had seventh row 
seats, and thought he was the shit.  

In junior high we used to go dancing every friday night at Studio K and 
Cloud 9 at Knott's Berry Farm, to such choons as You Spin Me(Dead or Alive), 
White Lines, When I Hear Music, etc... 

Sure glad raves came along and saved me.

Cheers***
Cami

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I love this topic, thanks to whoever started it... it's a trip to see how
different our beginnings can be, isn't it?

OK, first, remember I'M OLD, ok? 

My first memory of an album was my parent's, I was about six, and it was Julie
London, a sultry singer a'la Peggy Lee, and the album had this close-up picture
of her, hair all long, sexy and shiny, cleavage to die for -- and she sang
"Fever" ... you know, "everybody's got the fever, that is something we all know"
...  I LUUUUVVVEED HER!

The first song I ever bought was a '45 single -- I heard it on the radio and
worked hard to find it, even though it wasn't even really released yet ...
called "I Want Candy" with lots of bouncy drums and rhythm.  I think someone
redid it lately, and I still like it.

I'm still a sap for good romantic sultry singers (Cassandra Wilson, Etta James)
and for good rhythms!  Isn't it amazing how clear these things are in our
memories, I can remember sitting in the living room in Tennessee (yes, I'm
originally from the South) dreamily listening to Julie London.

Leslie   : )



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And according to someone on alt.rave:
>> Yes! The Chemical Brothers are scheduled to play at the
>>        Trocadero Transfer, 520 4th, in San Francisco (phone: 415-995-4600)
>>        on Friday, June 21st at 8pm.  Tickets are $15.  I would call
>>        the venue to confirm this.
>
>>-- 
>>	LOU!!!
>>	lwdantas@ucdavis.edu
>
Looks like a busy week...

David

>On Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:20:11 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>>from the www.flux.net site via bgp: 
>>
>>Just confirmed! Underworld, Orbital, Space Time Continuum, plus DJ Darren
>>Price at San Francisco's historic Fillmore on June 24. Tickets on
>>sale this Sunday, June 9. 
>>Let's hope they print a Fillmore poster!
>>
>>
>
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Does anyone remember when Knott's thre their own 'rave' in like 87 or 88?
maybe I'm just getting old...
:D

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Well, I guess I'm going to have to get my ass outta bed and got this 
one.

I'll be lookin forward to meeting most of ya at basics!!

My costume: Black and White Dr. Suess Hat, Alien Head Necklace, SFR 
Laminate, Two glowsticks.

Come say hi! I'll have treats for ya!!


Adam                             
    R.Lunatic

OH BTW!!!    E.S.W/H.O.B.M/H.B.B.T.U.K./C.C.C   Really means,
                 
eternalspiritWillHiggs/healourbrotherMalachy/communionconsciousclothing

I got that from the flyer itself!! =)~

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the reconstructed fillmore is one of my favorite "concert" venues, and two
months ago when i saw Bruce Hornsby (joined by Phil Lesh & Bob Weir of the
Grateful Dead) on a Friday and then Lush on the following monday, i thought
it would be a great space for a rave in a perfect world . . .

the dance floor is wood and round, but not that big -- but there will be
people dancing on the carpet, in the halls, etc. i'd imagine 'cause it's
usually crowded . . .

there is a dj booth in the back of the main floor, maybe elevated a step or
two, a little more separation than usual but not a booth upstairs by any
means

the upstairs balcony or the poster/dining room could be great chill spaces

but the key is the trippy purple light chandeliers and mirror ball . . . mmm. .

and the fillmore staff is a lot more chill than many you'll find

free apples still :)

and posters sometimes (chant for black light hopefully)

we'll see if the crowd will spend enough at the bars to make it worthwhile
for them

peace,

leftjab



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Hey You!!!!

        If your gonna talk about a web page at least include the properly
formated URL location in the body of the post so we can click on it from
within our e-mail readers and go.

        Yes. it's a very anal cyber request, thanks.

Peace
THX1138

At 06:35 AM 6/7/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Is it just me or is Ameba's web page acting screwey?



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>from the www.flux.net site via bgp:
>
>Just confirmed! Underworld, Orbital, Space Time Continuum, plus DJ Darren
>Price at San Francisco's historic Fillmore on June 24. Tickets on
>sale this Sunday, June 9.
>Let's hope they print a Fillmore poster!

what about the orb? are they still comin' up?

-m.


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Until I hit seventh grade, I would swear on a stack of bibles that music
just wasn't my thing and I didn't like any of it... backlash from my mom's
intense musical interests, I suppose (she now manages a chamber orchestra
in Poland).

Then it was a mess of shit, from MC Hammer to BBD to Metallica (freshman
year headbanger daze =P ). Sophomore year, I discovered ELECTRONIC music.
Skinny Puppy (+ other industrial, none of which could match the power of a
fresh SP track) was my thing until just recently when I discovered jungle
and trance and all kinds of other goodies.

SP still rocks, tho'. Any other industrialist-turned-ravers-but-still-kinda-
industrialists out there?

Thank you, mr. synth inventor man!

mindless midnite ramblings; gotta get up early tommorrow.

=|

-m.


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  Oh yeah! I'm still a Puppy Head!! Their very last CD :"the Process"
is a weird one. Imagine that them weird:). You can actually make out the 
voices and the words this time around:). I saw there Last Rights tour and 
it was the most visual concernt I have *ever* been too.
                            Reagan





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> 
> Then it was a mess of shit, from MC Hammer to BBD to Metallica (freshman
> year headbanger daze =P ). Sophomore year, I discovered ELECTRONIC music.
> Skinny Puppy (+ other industrial, none of which could match the power of a
> fresh SP track) was my thing until just recently when I discovered jungle
> and trance and all kinds of other goodies.
> 
> SP still rocks, tho'. Any other industrialist-turned-ravers-but-still-kinda-
> industrialists out there?
> 
> Thank you, mr. synth inventor man!
> 
> mindless midnite ramblings; gotta get up early tommorrow.
> 
> =|
> 
> -m.
> 
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It was the Partridge Family for me. I wanted so badly to be just like 
Lori Partridge, she was soooo coool!....and I did become a successful 
keyboardist and published songwriter! I just recently found an old 
Partridge Family album in a thrift store and it brought it all back for 
me while listening to it again. When people ask me about my musical 
influences they usually have to laugh. Seems like the in thing was to 
say the Beatles, Stones, Iggy, Velvet Underground or something like 
that. Nope not me!  ;-)

Lydia Holly

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Wanna go?

E-mail me to know.

An alternative to other more "commercial" events.

Peace,
John



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When you go to work all spun out from E, you deal with customers a lot 
better :)

See you all at Basics tonight...


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun  8 09:58:48 1996
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Yes, I actually had an interesting few days before that (1991?) rave.. which
turned out to have a lot of problems because of some dumb actions by the
LA promoters... in a back-and-forth dance with the Knotts food scientists
over my smart drinks.. They finally approved them for sale when I showed 
them all my toxicology data, and a bunch of stuff on tyrosine being 
useful to help people quit methamphetamine... The Knotts family's son
was actually a raver, and the family are born-again Christians..

It was huge, something like 19,000 people.. but a lot of people crashed 
the gate.. No, I wasn't there....

Chris Beaumont



> > 
> Does anyone remember when Knott's thre their own 'rave' in like 87 or 88?
> maybe I'm just getting old...
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You wrote: 
>
>
>When you go to work all spun out from E, you deal with customers a lot 

>better :)

    HOW SO VERY TRUE!!!!! You look at them like they are spun out on E 
too! haha!


Adam
    R.Lunatic =)~

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Something about a Rhythm Society or something to that effect.

BTW - A bit of history.  The first Rhythm Society event that I can recall
was started by Preston and Robert Jesse, back in the good ol days of 1992.

All I know is I had a great times.  Now usually I am ALL about the brew and
boo at a club.  Used to cigarettes odor, used to rude people bumping into
you, I am used to so much "noise" like this at a club, sometime you regret
going out for one reason or another.  Either I'm mad becuase I HAVE to do
the laundry the next day to rid my house of the stench of last night
nicotine bash, or mad becuase I couldn't catch a groove becuase of thisa or
that.  Well, there was NONE of that at the rhythm society, and you know
what.  I had a GREAT time.

Nope I didn't see the blue buddah, but I sure as shit caught a groove, and
listened to some of my friends play some really good music.

I came at about 12:10, and had to chug my beer becuase of guilt about
drinikng booze in the Church (now, for a recovering Roman Catholic this
shoulda been no problem.  Hell, the preists I knew growing up were the
worse sort of drunks I had ever witnessed.  Red nosed bastards.....;) ).
SO I found a dark unlit portion of the street, and began the age old ritual
of chug-a-lugging all my pint before I went in.  Time was critical because
I wanted to hear Sub Commander Lycos rip it up on the dex.

And there he was.  The Sub Commander was doing the do, man...the music my
man put together was fresh, and in general I really liked his style.  He
took his time to choose music and just rocked it.  My man had mf's (can't
curse, it's a church for g-d's sake) jumpin hootin' and hollerin.  People
were groovin' and movin'.  I was so proud of my man for not only making
others dance, but making me dance as well!  I had to get a good buck or two
in for my bro!  Shit was on Commander.  Let's do Flavor on the 29th!  Nice
one!!!

Then an old nemesis went on, one DJ Ethan.  Now, all of you know, if the
shit is above 125, I'm literally dying.  I can at least listen to the
stuff, but for me if the BPM's are too high for me, it is harder to find my
place.  I guess practice makes perfect.  Anyway Ethan did a really good
job.  He got in, adjusted his seatbelt, found his spot, and started to slam
the hell outta the music.  Excellent choices in music!  He went to a house
place and played some harder trance house, and some techno house I beleive.
Anyway I liked it that Ethan slowed down a bit and I could hear where he
was going.  He really had some deep booty beats and really worked the
music.  I saw plenty of people going off...damn crackerjacks ;) (dman and
hell are in the bible, it's ok to say these things :) ).  Good set Ethan,
liked the house touch!

Then an old geezer hit the dex.  I dunno what rock he came out from, but
Markie worked Ehtans last record and stgarted to make mf's get their swirl
on.  Markie was soooo friggin smooth.  Each time I've heard him recently,
he has been spot on and rock solid.  Friggin Markie was ripping it up. It
was impossible not to catch some groove, and the people showed it.
Excellent set!  Friggin Markie, gotta love him!!!  You go boy!!!

I didn't stay for DJ Tracy's set, I wanted to  but I had to go.  Lotsa
stuff to do today like get ready for the UG that is going on (where I'll be
playing).

All in all a great party, no friggin smoke, great vibe, some of the nicest
people I've met in a while, and it was ALL 100% GOOD!!!!

The saints of the church:
Hooked up with Larry Ching, main man from the old skool, way back.  Hey Larry!

Finally, after YEARS, I met Micheal E. Clay!  YO!  We were reminissing and
talking noise about the old days, old fights, going out, etc.  It was
great!  It's so funny the things that people remember, and how people, even
though they disagree, become friends.  I just wish I coulda met you and
others a while back.  But I guess now is as good a time as any.  Right on
Mike!

Already talked about my 3 friends on the dex.

Saw Tracy & Mark...

Met Andrea & Greg out here from Maine, welcome! (Greg <- very nice guy!, is
looking for a roomie, if interested lemme know and I'll  hook ya' up with
the tel#).

The dog, Preston, was in the house, got a chance to re-connect with my man.
Don't need no shouts, cuz' we'll be hangin' out on Sunday....

OH YEAH!!! Hi Lee!  Finally got to meet Janie.  She's a great lady with a
great sense of humor (and she can dance too!).  Lee, you're the bomb, my
man.  It was great talking to you and re-connecting.  I forget often how
you are in real life, and I prefer the real Lee rather than the virtual
one.  Although the similarieites are striking, the real one is so much more
fun!  It was really great seeing you and Janie!  I had a great time talking
dancing and groovin' with you guys!

Hey Monica & Tom!!!  Long time no see!  It was good talking to you and
catching up.  Even if it was near the bathrooms (which remained immaculate
during teh whole show, RIHGT ON!).

Other hokie dokes:  Robert Jesse, I didn't say hi, but I sent some good
vibes your way.  Long time no see, next time I'll make a better effort to
say hello.  In my defense though you hardly stopped dancing.  And rule #1
is "Don't disrespect the dance floor.", so I try not to talk to people
while they are groovin' and you had the good groove on bro, didn't want to
mess that up!

This party was soooo postive, I won't even go into a few of the people who
presented the most horrible violation of my olfactory senses (and by an
informal poll, I was not the only one who took offense).  I say now, and
will always say, bathe before thoust rave, please.  I know it mikght be a a
challenge to some, but in fact what I propose is simple.  1. Turn on the
water to your desired temprature, 2. Fill up the tub, or turn on the
shower, 3. take some soap and rub it all over your body, 4. Rinse, 5. Use a
dry towel and dry off.  See, simple huh?  I really don't know why people
are not aware of their offenses, but oh well.  The vibe of the party
outweighed the stinky vibe 1000:1.

I'm out, anyone I missed?  Will be seeing you around the city tonite.
Lotsa stuff to do this weekend, plenty of parties, Haight Street Crack fair
(I'll be spinning some records somewhere along the street), a UG tonite.
It's all good!

Have a great weekend.  I know I will.

Geoff, THANKS for inviting me!  Props to Ethan's sound system too!  Man it
sounded good!


Peace & audi volkswagen porche 911,
John








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Does *anybody* know what's going on with the Basics voicemail?  I'm (in my
usual fashion) starting to get a litle worried that something is amiss, cuz
I've never seen this happen before.  Anybody have any more current info than
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I will be having a party at my house after the Haight Street Fair.
I live at 110 Clayton St. (just across the panhandle from the Upper
Haight) and it starts at 6 PM. A few friends will be DJ'ing. BYOB.

Hugs,
Jim

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Thats just Martin, he waits till the last minute. The party is happening!:0
Jonathan
I'll be there...Nawty Boy t-shirt and all!:)

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93
For those of y'all into SP (I worship the ground they walk on, personally),
check out Download. Download is the project that Cevin and Dwayne were
working on just before Dwayne's death with Mark Spybey (former Zoviet
France), DJ Philth and occasionally Genesis P. Orridge. Download is THE
future of seriously twisted industrial dance (IMHO)...and on the ambient
wierdness side, Cevin and Mark Spybey have another very cool project called
Dead Voices on Air. Very strange, neat stuff.
Love
Tim
93/93
>  Oh yeah! I'm still a Puppy Head!! Their very last CD :"the Process"
>is a weird one. Imagine that them weird:). You can actually make out the
>voices and the words this time around:). I saw there Last Rights tour and
>it was the most visual concernt I have *ever* been too.
>                            Reagan


Tim Gotch
tim@redshift.com
http://www.redshift.com/~tim
Hyper Design Technologies
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Monterey, CA 93940
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Hey family--

It was a hecktic week of all work and no play.  But I have been blessed
with some fortune and good vibes so I've decided to go out tonight.  My
friend Kidee from Socal-raves is up in the bay area and so I'm gonna take
her to BASICS.  She might be wearing furry overalls so go up and say hi.
Me, well, I'll be wearing a purple (with little yellow strips) MadHatter
hat, SF LAMINATE, Currious George shirt w/ blue jeans (all my laundry is
dirty=3D=3D=3Doops bad netiquette, not suposed to discuss some one elses lau=
ndry
over email, especially if it's dirty...heeeheee).  Might have a few glow
sticks.

Basics 4 yr Ann Tonight
V.m. # 1.415.905.9629
 Map point in S.F.   F.8

Virgin location

******Great Musak********

Doran - love him he get's people off!!
Doc Martain - haven't heard him in a year
Astril Matrix - pa
Brownie - notha Phat la dj
The sf crew-
Tony::Josh::Garth

Hopfully I'll meet some a yous tonight

Peace B W/ U

Austin

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>93
>For those of y'all into SP (I worship the ground they walk on, personally),
>check out Download. Download is the project that Cevin and Dwayne were

I don't know... I've heard a lot of their side projects, but I don't think
any of them have matched the dynamics of cEvin, Dwayne and Ogre working
together, arguments and all. There isn';t much that gives me as much of a
rush as old Puppy tracks like Centre Bullet or Assimilate r23 or
Jackhammer.

But I digress... this is a topic for a whole other 'nother mailing list.

-m.


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I'll be there as will a bunch of others!  I'll be wearing a silk bright
orange/green/etc. shirt (tacky but it feels great!) and have short very
blond hair. 

See ya there & lotsa love!  
:) 
:)  Paul
:) 


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>I'll be there as will a bunch of others!  I'll be wearing a silk bright
>orange/green/etc. shirt (tacky but it feels great!) and have short very
>blond hair. 


Look for me too!  I'll probably be wearing my SFRaves t-shirt with the old
sfraves logo on it (or my grey tank top if it gets too hot) and jeans.  I'll
most likely have my bright green feather boa too, and I have got more
glow-sticks than you can shake a glow-stick at.  Boy did i go overkill on
the glosticks folks, 20 count 'em *twenty* glowsticks, *six* different
colors (red, green, blue, hot pink, yellow, and white!), and two sizes!  

*SOME*body *STOP* meeee!


Love,
Shawna


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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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when is the haight street fair?...is amoeba going to be doing something?

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, James Ausman wrote:

> 
> I will be having a party at my house after the Haight Street Fair.
> I live at 110 Clayton St. (just across the panhandle from the Upper
> Haight) and it starts at 6 PM. A few friends will be DJ'ing. BYOB.
> 
> Hugs,
> Jim
> 


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I think a mile is a good distance. The sound crews may want to think about
pointing the sound systems away from camp? This may alleviate sound carrying
problems for those (few?) that don't want to hear the turbo sound blaster 24
hours a day?

In a message dated 96-06-07 01:51:19 EDT, SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:

>Hmmm, I believe it was exactly one mile from the man last year, & that was a
>hell of a walk, and as far as I know there were no sound bleed complaints.
 A
>couple of miles would be really harsh on the pedestrians, and would open
more
>chance to additional people getting run over on the playa.
>Just a thought,



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In a message dated 96-06-07 19:45:33 EDT, you write:

>  It's at the
>Fillmore which doesn't seem conducive to dancing but, I don't know.
>
>

Fillmore not condusive to dancing? Thats kinda like saying the beach isn't
condusive to sunbathing? This is one of my alltime favorite dance locations.
I haven't been back since it reopened. I've been waiting for the right
opportunity. This could be it? Have a great night, PEACE!! Cid

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Just wanted to tell everyone that I hope you all have a great time tonight.
I'm staying in. I'm feeling no pain and really good from the pain killers the
Doc. gave me. So, have a good time for me and anyone else that is staying in
this weekend.
 
Tim (knucklehead)

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  Other side projects to check out are like Pigface, Tear Garden and 
Doubting Thomas( don't know if they were part of this are not).
                     ;)
                       Reagan




On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:

> >93
> >For those of y'all into SP (I worship the ground they walk on, personally),
> >check out Download. Download is the project that Cevin and Dwayne were
> 
> I don't know... I've heard a lot of their side projects, but I don't think
> any of them have matched the dynamics of cEvin, Dwayne and Ogre working
> together, arguments and all. There isn';t much that gives me as much of a
> rush as old Puppy tracks like Centre Bullet or Assimilate r23 or
> Jackhammer.
> 
> But I digress... this is a topic for a whole other 'nother mailing list.
> 
> -m.
> 
> 
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>         |                                               |
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>         |          C O M I N '   A T C H A !            |
>         |                                               |
>         |              Michal Migurski                  |
>         |              (408) 264-6604                   |
>         |                                               |
>         |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."|
>         |                                               |
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> 
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 01:14:05 1996
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From: Karen Hardie <eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com>
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I got home from a lovely day to find almost a THIRD of my cds GONE.  from 
the shelf.  nothing else.  and my roomate's friend had been in the 
house.  COINDCIDENCE?

FUCK i'm so angry i could just tear a phone book in HALF!!!  ARRRGH!

sorry.  i just need to rant.  i'm getting the locks changed as soon as 
possible and throwing my roomate out if i don't see at LEAST the money, 
if not the cds.  And calling the cops, in either case.  but that doesn't 
change the fact that they're NOT HERE RIGHT NOW!!!  he even took my 
Grateful Dead, man!!!  what kind of sick bastard would do that to someone??

just been reminded of how precious our microcosm is,
k

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okay ....... and an INSTANT UPDATE!!!

My roommate came home about fifteen minutes after i posted that last 
message.  He has offered to give me his $320 tax return to start to cover 
it.  Since i told him that i would call the cops etc. if nothing happened 
he had not much choice ... also i am getting the locks changed and 
getting keys cut that say DO NOT COPY so he can't ever give one out.  He 
told me he had no idea this might happen and i am inclined to believe him.

He's also going to find out that i am NOT someone to cross lightly.  
Because ... i'm creative. >:)

man, just when you think people in the world are getting better, eh?  it 
amazes me how marvelous the rave community i inhabit really is ...

k

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We just wanted to say that today is SIX-NINE-NINETY-SIX! (6/9/96)

Go Down!

love,

michelle&james

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Well, what can I say?

THE VIBE WAS FUCKIN' BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you all had a blast just like me!!!

I know that all the SFravers were having fun, because we are all a 
family and we made it that way!



Love,

Adam   
    R.Lunatic =)~

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WE ARE BACK....

our return transmission begins...
TODAY: june 9nd, 1996 6:00pm eastern on the WWW
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the second in a series of live dj transmissions over the
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 13:15:44 1996
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Jun 1996 20:21:44 PDT."
             <Pine.ULT.3.93.960608202119.2026B-100000@violet.berkeley.edu> 
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>when is the haight street fair?...is amoeba going to be doing something?
>
Today! Right now!

Don't know about Ameba.

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93
All of them. Cevin & Dwayne were involved in TG and Doubting Thomas is SP
without Ogre, who did some stuff in Pigface. BTW Michael, Centre Bullet was
originally a Tear Garden song that Cevin wrote with Edward Ka Spell.
Tim
93/93
>  Other side projects to check out are like Pigface, Tear Garden and
>Doubting Thomas( don't know if they were part of this are not).
>                     ;)
>                       Reagan


Tim Gotch
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 14:54:57 1996
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Boy, wonder how the weather was like on 9/6/69...
Can't wait til' 9/6/96.

all the world is topsy turvy-

-alberT


On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 flux@well.com wrote:

> We just wanted to say that today is SIX-NINE-NINETY-SIX! (6/9/96)
> 
> Go Down!
> 
> love,
> 
> michelle&james
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 17:59:28 1996
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Hey all you ravers! From handing out fruit too spreading the vibe and
spraying people with water.....Basics was a pretty cool party. Every seemed
to be haveing a really good time. I didn't really like the location, it was
too hot!!! Doc Martins set was fucking incredible! So was Garths... I loved
Astral matrix, too. Anyway, overall the party kicked ass, I got to meet a ton
of Sf ravers all of them really really nice!!! I need to get one of those new
laminates. Nawty boy should be sleeping now, but he wants to go to the Haight
Street fair, but there is only so much someone can do when they live in
Concord!:()
Jonathan

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I think this was meant to go to the list, or something. =)~

Adam



---- Begin Forwarded Message

Subject: Re: Basics last night!! =)~

Hey all you ravers! From handing out fruit too spreading the vibe and
spraying people with water.....Basics was a pretty cool party. Every 
seemed
to be haveing a really good time. I didn't really like the location, it 
was
too hot!!! Doc Martins set was fucking incredible! So was Garths... I 
loved
Astral matrix, too. Anyway, overall the party kicked ass, I got to meet 
a ton
of Sf ravers all of them really really nice!!! I need to get one of 
those new
laminates. Nawty boy should be sleeping now, but he wants to go to the 
Haight
Street fair, but there is only so much someone can do when they live in
Concord!:()
Jonathan



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 21:22:03 1996
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I stood in line for 30 minutes today with a bunch of Dave Matthews Band 
fans and got my slimy hands on a ticket to the Orbital
show on the 24th at the Fillmore.  Woohoo!

	Any other SFravers going?

		jon


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WE ARE BACK....BEATBOX UPDATE

JIMMY D. from DETROIT, MI just finished...
LIVE in the mix ERIC HAUPT from DETROIT, MI...
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 21:33:55 1996
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Here is
a test to find 
whether your mission on earth
is finished:
		if you're alive
		it isn't




-jess

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 21:36:35 1996
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[ to sfraves mailist ]

 Is anyone going to the Saturday part of the Tibet Freedom Concert at the 
Golden Gate Park Polo Fields? I'll be going Saturday - it'll be the first
time I've gone to the Polo Fields. 

 I'll be leaving a bit early , so I wasn't planning on setting up any 
carpooling. I was wondering if I could get together with other SFRavers
who might be going to Saturday's show.

 See ya !

 Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 23:10:34 1996
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To everyone on tha list:	

Last weeks question (1st musical experiences) was pretty cool. How about 
this one?

How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?  If 100 
hardcore ravers kicked in $100, that would be $10,000 to go toward the 
purchase of an acre or 2 (in a desolate but beautiful area).

It would be private property so no cops. it would be remote so no noise 
restrictions.  each person who kicked in the $ would be entitled
one free entrance for each $100 they kicked in.  They would get a pass 
that showed how many credits they had.  They could used credits to let 
friends come in to the events.  Example: I kick in $300.  This 
entitles me to free, unrestricted access to the site for myself and 
any other 2 people I want to let in.  For those without the passes 
(those who are not "part-owners") they would have to kick in a nominal 
fee, say $10-$20 for the event.

The shares could also be transferable meaning that others who are 
interested can purchase a share from someone thus entitling them to the 
above mentioned privileges.

I, for one, would kick in $200-$300 so me and my friends could go up to 
some remote, beautiful location maybe once or twice per month and be 
assured of a good time without any worries of having the event be ruined 
by cops or neighbors.  It would kinda be like a Rave Co-Op.

It has just seemed to me that there are so many good people out there 
that want to have a good time and all too often they have to be anxious 
about the vibe.

Well... that's my $.02.  Take it for what it's worth.  It was just an 
idea.

Peace.

--Atoy

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hey kiddos-
away from sf for only one little week and boy am i missing it 
already!! but, oh geeeeze, did i ever have a crazy weekend. insane 
amounts of fun!! fri night me and my bro(the true owner of this account) 
went to an incredible GUERRILLA party. the music blew me away. hard  
fast and pounding all night long. YEAH!!!! i have never before danced so 
hard- seven and a half solid hours. leaving the dance floor occassionally 
only to dance my way to the bathroom. the vibe was so crazy- almost 
too intense. by the end of the night i was friends with every other 
dancing maniac. i did miss you guys. the energy level was 
not as high as sf parties. on sat night we went to a massive called 
AMERICANA. very, very massive- like 6000 or so people. it was on a cute 
little island in lake ontario. very nice place to party. i dont 
really know how to describe this rave, but it was so different 
from anything ive ever experienced. it was amazing and exciting and 
thrilling and all that,  but it was very commercial and therefore 
had a few problems. there was absolutely nowhere to fill water bottles 
which is nuts considering there was such a large crowd. i
could go on forever about this party, but im way too tired. in the past 
3 days ive slept a total of 2 hours. when i see you ask me to explain 
why- it's a super crazy little story.

make sure to have extra fun for me in sf.

luv,
sarah


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 23:37:24 1996
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I like the idea. But then money becomes an object and someone has to be in
charge of the money, and it all becomes one big hassle. I think it would be
cool if a bunch of people payed for the land then they could throw one party
so everyone could get their money back and then the parties there would be
free!
Jonathan

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ajtoy wrote:
> 
> tim744@silicon.email.net wrote:
> >
> > You know I've thought and still do about what you just mentioned. If I won
> > the lottery kind of thing. I think it would cause problem if alot of people
> > did this. For one, who is altimatly responsible for the site. Who is in
> > charge of who throws the party there and when? For $100 bucks you should be
> > able to bring more then just one friend. Where does all the extra money that
> > is made goto? Will it be used to buy more land or pay property taxes? Will
> > there be a warehouse or storage area there? I think this would create
> > problems. I REALLY think it's a good idea, but there has to be some FINE
> > LINES drawn up. If one promoter kicked in the same amount and they both
> > wanted to throw a party there, who's to decide on which one will have the
> > party. I think if something like this is to happen, then we need to get a
> > big place and have it big enough to have a couple of warehouse type buildings
> > there for enough away from each other that more then one party can happen
> > there. I'd certainly be up for pitching in, but we needs some quality time to
> > get alot of people together and look at this plan.
> >
> > Tim (knucklehead)
> 
> regarding decisions made about the site and events, that could be
> decided by vote. For the $100 you would be part OWNER.  That would
> entitle you to unlimited event access anytime an event is planned on the
> site.  Depending on how much interest is out there, if enough people
> were interested, a bunch of crazy, likeminded, shiny-happy, young
> (hearted) people could buy one hellofa huge piece of land whose sole
> purpose would be to provide a chillin place to gather.  Warehouses,
> porta-potties, stage, etc.  Any extra money could go toward booking
> great, popular DJ's or for maintenance of the site also for property
> taxes.  Wouldn't it be cool to be able to pass ou flyers to the first
> gathering of the Northern California Rave Co-OP site number 1.     It
> could be a reality if enough people wanted to make it so.  I'm not
> really a detail person but I'm sure there are alot out there.
> 
> Any ideas????... party-people?
> 
> Peace.
> 
> Atoy

:)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun  9 23:53:54 1996
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Jondabomb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I like the idea. But then money becomes an object and someone has to be in
> charge of the money, and it all becomes one big hassle. I think it would be
> cool if a bunch of people payed for the land then they could throw one party
> so everyone could get their money back and then the parties there would be
> free!
> Jonathan

J-

no, man... money would not be the object.  the object would be a cool 
place for people to gather and chill to great music and friends.  the 
land would be paid for in cash.  the point would be to have lots of 
parties on this paid for land.  if people can spent $30-$40 for one 
rave, why not $100 to own a piece of land for lots of raves? It would be 
free for those who were part owners.  Non-owners would kick in a $10-$20 
donation.

Peace.

Atoy

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>To everyone on tha list:	
>
>Last weeks question (1st musical experiences) was pretty cool. How about 
>this one?
>
>How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
>somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?  If 100 
>hardcore ravers kicked in $100, that would be $10,000 to go toward the 
>purchase of an acre or 2 (in a desolate but beautiful area).
>
>It would be private property so no cops. it would be remote so no noise 
>restrictions.  each person who kicked in the $ would be entitled
>one free entrance for each $100 they kicked in.  They would get a pass 
>that showed how many credits they had.  They could used credits to let 
>friends come in to the events.  Example: I kick in $300.  This 
>entitles me to free, unrestricted access to the site for myself and 
>any other 2 people I want to let in.  For those without the passes 
>(those who are not "part-owners") they would have to kick in a nominal 
>fee, say $10-$20 for the event.
>

[snip]

I think this is a good idea, worthy of development.  Does anybody out there
know about real estate? I suppose this would be sort of like a rave
time-share or
something.  Tribal Future has shown what can be accomplished if the right
people own land.  The only problems I can potentially see are


        1) Schedualing parties. Who contrls this, how do we keep the place
           clean and keep it from getting "burned out".

        2) Decision making, with 100 - 200 owners consensus might be hard,
           a standard board of trustees or directors might be needed.

        3) Security, I would think that we would need someone living there
           24-7 to keep vandles and others well meaning party-goers from 
           trashing the place.

Just because it is private property doesn't mean no hassles from the police.
Remember, they have guns and if they want to come in, they will. The police
"break" the law all of the time and are rarely taken to task unless you have
a really good lawyer or a really bad cop. So it really needs to be
remote, sorta in the same way the TF space was, several ,miles down dirt roads,
the police could come in with helicopters but in that part of the country,
flying copters in the dark over people's property may not be such a safe idea :)


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This is an interesting idea and one which has been discussed now and then 
here in the northwest . but i do agree with these problems ...

 *snippit!*

        1) Schedualing parties. Who contrls this, how do we keep the place
           clean and keep it from getting "burned out".

        2) Decision making, with 100 - 200 owners consensus might be hard,
           a standard board of trustees or directors might be needed.

        3) Security, I would think that we would need someone living there
           24-7 to keep vandles and others well meaning party-goers from 
           trashing the place.

Can you imagine 100 people all saying well, i am part owner in some 
property here so let's organize a nice ambient party for such and such a 
date, only to find that some of the OTHER people are all planning to hold 
a GREAT BIG MASSIVE on the same date .. who decides?  It would be far 
easier i think if maybe TEN ppl owned the land and then sold shares in it 
..... maybe you could organize a fundraiser to purchase some property?  
hmmmm ..

And yes, private property does NOT mean cops will leave it alone.  If its 
something they feel is illegal in general, it will get shut down 
regardless.  Then you get into big legal battles.

But the idea is worth looking into despite all these difficulties.  I'll 
be interested to see what comes out of this discussion!

k

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Hi everyone,

Saturday the New Moon is getting together to celebrate the end and the 
beginning of the lunar cycle.  If you want to come, and you want to know 
what the party is about, check out:

http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon

If you want to come, send me email!  

-Ann


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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Geoff White wrote:

> >To everyone on tha list:	
> >
> >Last weeks question (1st musical experiences) was pretty cool. How about 
> >this one?
> >
> >How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
> >somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?  If 100 
> >hardcore ravers kicked in $100, that would be $10,000 to go toward the 
> >purchase of an acre or 2 (in a desolate but beautiful area).
> >
> >It would be private property so no cops. it would be remote so no noise 
> >restrictions.  each person who kicked in the $ would be entitled
> >one free entrance for each $100 they kicked in.  They would get a pass 
> >that showed how many credits they had.  They could used credits to let 
> >friends come in to the events.  Example: I kick in $300.  This 
> >entitles me to free, unrestricted access to the site for myself and 
> >any other 2 people I want to let in.  For those without the passes 
> >(those who are not "part-owners") they would have to kick in a nominal 
> >fee, say $10-$20 for the event.
> >
> 
> [snip]
> 
> I think this is a good idea, worthy of development.  Does anybody out there
> know about real estate? I suppose this would be sort of like a rave
> time-share or
> something.  Tribal Future has shown what can be accomplished if the right
> people own land.  The only problems I can potentially see are

I talked to my boss who own a couple of parcels in the E. Bay, and his 
feeling was that in order to get property anywhere near as cheap as 10k 
we would have to look in the Sierra Nevada foothills or the Oakley, 
Grizzly Island area. Personally, having been to both areas, I would 
prefer the foothills. It would seem the best thing to do would 
be to hop in the car and take a look around... anyone down for a drive?

                                            Black Adder

P.S. In case you haven't guessed I think it is a *very* cool idea, but it 
     needs to be handled carefully....
    


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I know this is rather after the fact, for those Tribal Future folks with
poison oak, but here's a hint for the future (NPI).

As a precautionary measure, there is a fine and effective poison oak/ivy
remedy that you use if you think you've had exposure to the dreaded plants.
It's called Tecnu, and is sold at most pharmacy type stores.

You apply it following exposure, let it sit for two minutes and then wash.
It essentially removes the oil from your skin, and *will* save your butt
(or any other part of you ;^) from itching for a couple weeks.  It's most
effective when it's applied prior to any break-out on the skin.

I have hang-gliding friends that swear by it.

Have a good summer folks!!

Tone

P.S.  You probably won't need it at Burning Man...:^)



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For those of you looking for a serious early morning workout... I 
ventured into the bowels of 1015 around 2 a.m. Saturday and managed to 
lose about 5 pounds gettin' down to Taj and whoever followed him.  Left 
around 6 a.m. got some breakfast and had a killer Saturday in the 
Haight. Check It Out, you won't regret the trip, people down there 
really want to dance. AND HARD!

-SUNNY

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Are tickets available anywhere except Bass?  

Rick


At 09:21 PM 6/9/96 -0700, you wrote:
>	
>I stood in line for 30 minutes today with a bunch of Dave Matthews Band 
>fans and got my slimy hands on a ticket to the Orbital
>show on the 24th at the Fillmore.  Woohoo!
>
>	Any other SFravers going?
>
>		jon
>
>
>



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Illusions,  Richard Bach.

Great book huh?

Rick

At 09:33 PM 6/9/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Here is
>a test to find 
>whether your mission on earth
>is finished:
>		if you're alive
>		it isn't
>
>
>
>
>-jess
>
>



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 [ to sfraves list ]

 Hi folks -

 Well, I hope I'm not premature about this, but the Computer Help guy
at my workplace just forwarded this alert about a new Macintosh virus
to all the folks in our program. Since he's a very knowledgeable 
Macintosh guru, this may be for real ...

 Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com
=========== Attached message follows ============== 

Received the following message from  Computer Security:

"Just got word of a new virus called "Open Me."  It looks to be 
a Macintosh control Panel virus.  It hit one of the facilities in 
Denver in a big way.  At this point we don't know where it came from or 
how it spreads but it will destroy a hard disk.  So if you bring up your
Mac and see the message Open Me don't do it."


Received from Dave Ferreira our local expert:

"This is not a hoax.  It appears to be a control panel type of virus 
that can not be detected using SAM or Norton Anti-virus.  The virus/control 
panel wipes out the B-tree or B-catalog or whatever (basically wipes out 
the location of every file on the hard disk)."

Hopefully we won't see this virus here but just in case, be on the look 
out........................Mark

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> "This is not a hoax.  It appears to be a control panel type of virus 
> that can not be detected using SAM or Norton Anti-virus.  The virus/control 
> panel wipes out the B-tree or B-catalog or whatever (basically wipes out 
> the location of every file on the hard disk)."

..? if this is all it does (erasing a mac's "Desktop" files.. no problem, 
it will cause slight trouble until you rebuild the disc, but won't 
destroy the disc

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Subject: very sad day
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saturday night/sunday morning there was a "get together" at Your Momma's 
Cafe, on college ave. in oakland. never had i see the place more full, 
and all was good, but then merit stopped the dj and made an anoucement

	thanks everyone for comming out, but tonight it the last
	night. then we're closing.

everyone was sad. your momma's and the people there were one of the reasons 
i'm in the bay area again. 6.9.96 was the last time.

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going both days - plan to get there early 
rendevous point?
jim cyr


On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Larry Ching wrote:

> [ to sfraves mailist ]
> 
>  Is anyone going to the Saturday part of the Tibet Freedom Concert at the 
> Golden Gate Park Polo Fields? I'll be going Saturday - it'll be the first
> time I've gone to the Polo Fields. 
> 
>  I'll be leaving a bit early , so I wasn't planning on setting up any 
> carpooling. I was wondering if I could get together with other SFRavers
> who might be going to Saturday's show.
> 
>  See ya !
> 
>  Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com
> 
> 

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Does anyone know who will be spinning this week? Thursday is the last day 
of tests for us and a group of us are looking for something to do that night.

  Austin                             
  Tinsau                    

            S.F. Born and Raved!                          










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Hello all you lovely people,

I don't know about you but sometimes I just feel like fucking screaming my
head off - when this happens I go see a very violent movie (OK, I admit
it, I loved T2, Total Recall etc..) or I go to a very loud obnoxious
party.  

How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?

So here's my idea - we choose a cool event in LA and carpool down there
for the weekend - it's really only a six 1/2 hour drive and we could rage
in LA the day after - 

Whaddya say?

Let's explore the seedier side of Techno...



		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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Hi gonzo-

 I'm going to this concert along with other sfravers.  I've heard alot about 
Orbital and Underworld and their live sets, and I can't wait!!!

-Todd


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>Illusions,  Richard Bach.
>
>Great book huh?
>
>Rick
>
Awesome book!!!  I think everyone should read it, and _A Bridge Across
Forever_, by the same author.  I got a great deal out of them; helped me to
re-define my outlook on life in many ways :)

Peace,

- E



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Boo hoo :(  This is really a sad thing.  That was such a cool cafe.  They 
just never had very much business.  If the location was changed, I think 
the business would pick up.  Did they say anything about moving?  

--kaysee



On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, roger kumar wrote:

> saturday night/sunday morning there was a "get together" at Your Momma's 
> Cafe, on college ave. in oakland. never had i see the place more full, 
> and all was good, but then merit stopped the dj and made an anoucement
> 
> 	thanks everyone for comming out, but tonight it the last
> 	night. then we're closing.
> 
> everyone was sad. your momma's and the people there were one of the reasons 
> i'm in the bay area again. 6.9.96 was the last time.
> 
> -- 
> pJou_|        pgpfone encrypted calls and pgp encrypted mail accepted
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> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, ajtoy wrote:

> To everyone on tha list:	
> How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
> somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?  If 100 
> hardcore ravers kicked in $100, that would be $10,000 to go toward the 
> purchase of an acre or 2 (in a desolate but beautiful area).
> 
> It would be private property so no cops. it would be remote so no noise 
> restrictions.  each person who kicked in the $ would be entitled
> one free entrance for each $100 they kicked in.  They would get a pass 
> that showed how many credits they had.  They could used credits to let 
> friends come in to the events.  Example: I kick in $300.  This 
> entitles me to free, unrestricted access to the site for myself and 
> any other 2 people I want to let in.  For those without the passes 
> (those who are not "part-owners") they would have to kick in a nominal 
> fee, say $10-$20 for the event.
> 
> The shares could also be transferable meaning that others who are 
> interested can purchase a share from someone thus entitling them to the 
> above mentioned privileges.
> 
> I, for one, would kick in $200-$300 so me and my friends could go up to 
> some remote, beautiful location maybe once or twice per month and be 
> assured of a good time without any worries of having the event be ruined 
> by cops or neighbors.  It would kinda be like a Rave Co-Op.
> 
> It has just seemed to me that there are so many good people out there 
> that want to have a good time and all too often they have to be anxious 
> about the vibe.

	i think a hundred owners definetly have the potential to work 
cooperatively. i know a lot of the UG promoters in SF already do work 
together, help eachother out, and throw parties without conflicting with 
eachother. i feel that when a hundred or so people come together to do 
this, their intentions will be to work together toward a communal 
atmosphere where everyone gets a chance to do something on the site,. 
generally speaking, not to many self interested people would throw in a 
hundred bucks to a communal effort type thing, mostly those who believe 
in it will be the ones forking over teh money, IMO - similar principle 
when a lot of like minded people end up at good vibe parties, just more 
complex.
	the thing with property taxes we would have to realize is that 
teh owners are ultimately responsible, wether teh site raises some money 
or not. also, collecting money from people in connection with the site 
means someone should be getting taxed according to the law, so there may 
be some problems there with police. nothing that cant be solved im sure, 
as i know some promoters do have business lisences, then someone would 
have to do some book keeping though.
	its a damn good idea. just the thought of communal ownership of 
property is great. a lot of people talk about changing the money driven 
culture we live in, but this would definetly be doing something about it.

energy,
tom

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I have it on vinyl, read by Mr. Bach himself.  Listen for it in an ambient
room near you :)

At 12:04 PM 6/10/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Illusions,  Richard Bach.
>>
>>Great book huh?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>Awesome book!!!  I think everyone should read it, and _A Bridge Across
>Forever_, by the same author.  I got a great deal out of them; helped me to
>re-define my outlook on life in many ways :)
>
>Peace,
>
>- E
>
>
>
>



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> 
> saturday night/sunday morning there was a "get together" at Your Momma's 
> Cafe, on college ave. in oakland. never had i see the place more full, 
> and all was good, but then merit stopped the dj and made an anoucement
> 
> 	thanks everyone for comming out, but tonight it the last
> 	night. then we're closing.
> 
> everyone was sad. your momma's and the people there were one of the reasons 
> i'm in the bay area again. 6.9.96 was the last time.

This sucks.  I can only imagine that they were not making enough money.  It
seems if they just promoted the place a bit more, they would have done fine.
They should have had a big "come support us night".... I would have gone.
Anyplace that has open dex all the time (except when their are special
DJ's there) should have done well.

-troy

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...and it happened on the third day after the sixth day of the sixth 
month of the sixth year of this decade.

hail satan !

On Sun, 9 Jun 1996 flux@well.com wrote:

> We just wanted to say that today is SIX-NINE-NINETY-SIX! (6/9/96)
> 
> Go Down!
> 
> love,
> 
> michelle&james
> 

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Basics Saturday night was absatively posolutely the best way I could have
spent this weekend...

Everything was perfect: the space, the free water, the music (both live and
spun) and the people (hello Sarvi, Jan, Raf, Rebecca, Jon, John, Wayne,
Shawna, Adam, Ian, and all non-SFR people and others who I ran into).

I just wish the chill room was a little chillier... maybe if they had
removed the cieling and a few walls and provided a full moon and some
shooting stars in the cool night sky overhead... =)

I have one question: what was the dj lineup between Astral Matrix and Doc
Martin? There was one guy who played some really nice breakbeat...

-m.


Well, my my my that's common sense.


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Goood Morning all you  buzzzy busy computer / underground/ white, blue and
tie dyed collar workers....
 'Tis I, Adam, that dancing fool, again with another nutty fun-filled weekend
report of the activites and non-activites for the weekend of June 8
-10th.....


Friday:  After a quick margarita run with an ex-coworker, it was off to Life.
 Carlos was running around like a lil madman smiling and doing random
huggings...  The crowd, young, alot of clubby -type kidz butbo fights. 
Really positive vibe and i rightously logged in a couple of footwork hours in
front of one of the speakers...  The alcohol, however, pulled me down (The
last time I had a drink was over six months ago...) and I curled up in a
corner and napped for a few hours.... 
Waking up to 1979 by Smashing Punkings was fairly interesting as well (Did I
also hear a Cure song? or was I dreaming?) as Carlos was spinning a varied
and oft confisung  (yet enjoyable) set...  Carlos is truly a Mongrel DJ,
crossing cultures ( Ie. that spanish version of Celibartion by Kool and the
Gang) as well as music styles.  Not to mention his adeptness of the
turntables...

Light:     Vibe: 8 Smiles (not too friendly, but tolerable)
           Music: 8 Smiles (No trance, but dancy techno and house)
         Visuals: 9 Smiles (What can I say, gotta love thoses lasers)
Dancing media/ Space: 9 Smiles (Always circulation with that big hole in the
middle of the celing)

Overall  Solid 8.5 Smiles.   Kudos to Carlos....

Saturday:  After a quick Breakfast, some ZZZ's and haircut I kicked it with
the F-8 Family @
the Basics Mapoint.  1000 tix in 4 hours and still a line 'o' people after
they (basics) sold out... I was quite impressed that the Basics crew didn't
choose to sell more tickets and overpack the event, but were, actually
informing ravers of other parties.  Big time respect for that.... @2AM I
decied to check out the underdog instead of basics, So off to down2earth it
was.  Down2earth seems to be a pacific sponsered event, Gailen and crew were
doin the turntable thang.. It was a nice party, not too crowded, same
sunsetish feel, which I love.
Nice VIbe, cool peoples, danced till dawn... (need I say more?)...

Down2Earth:   Vibe :  9 Smiles (Great Sunsetish feel)
                      Music:   8.5 Smiles (A little housey and a bit slow for
my tastes but vibe factor more than compensated for it...)
                     Visuals:  8 Smiles (Nice picts, but after Light, It's
hard to match up...)
Space/ dancing media: 9 Smiles (Great space, lots'o'bouncing around area)

Overall 9.25 Smiles (Prediction: This will be one of THE underground places
2B in the summer, when you get tired of the Massives...)

Sunday:  Well I was too spun out to do much of anything so I lazied around
all day (missed that Haight St faire, sniff, sniff)...  

That's a wrap!  Hope all of yous had a great weekends...   See ya @ the Bahia
tonight (1600 Market).

"dance with me"

  Adam
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Doc Marten's set was the bomb... need I say more?

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 13:08:33 1996
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Yes!

I'll be there...

many of you know me. many of you don't... I don't think I'll be wearing
anything distinctive like at Basics.

-m.

>[ to sfraves mailist ]
>
> Is anyone going to the Saturday part of the Tibet Freedom Concert at the
>Golden Gate Park Polo Fields? I'll be going Saturday - it'll be the first
>time I've gone to the Polo Fields.
>
> I'll be leaving a bit early , so I wasn't planning on setting up any
>carpooling. I was wondering if I could get together with other SFRavers
>who might be going to Saturday's show.
>
> See ya !
>
> Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com


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>Just because it is private property doesn't mean no hassles from the police.
>Remember, they have guns and if they want to come in, they will. The police
>"break" the law all of the time and are rarely taken to task unless you have
>a really good lawyer or a really bad cop. So it really needs to be
>remote, sorta in the same way the TF space was, several ,miles down dirt roads,
>the police could come in with helicopters but in that part of the country,
>flying copters in the dark over people's property may not be such a safe idea.

Oh come off it; cop bashing is such a pointless waste of time. They aren't
lawbreakers or assholes, they're just out there doing unpopular stuff
because there's more to this world than ravers and flower people. I know
there's prick cops, but there's nice cops too (I've run into more than a
few) and it's annoying when people just assume that cops are shitheads just
because they're enforcing laws that (for the most part) have pretty solid
reasoning behind them but aren't perfect.

I'm not "going off" on you, I respect your opinion, but I think
generalizations like this are totally unfair. They just reinforce that
confrontational "me-vs.- the-world" attitude.

-m.


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> 
> How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
> suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?

yeah. 
get that industrial itch sometimes too
the kind that makes you want to see 
people in riot gear 
trying to deal with you

sure. la sounds fine <grin>
take care
kcRoy


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michal migurski wrote:
> I'm not "going off" on you, I respect your opinion, but I think
> generalizations like this are totally unfair. They just reinforce that
> confrontational "me-vs.- the-world" attitude.

amen.

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, MIKE BOLGER wrote:

> hail satan !


Satan sucks.


Ran
                   ( now Pan on the other hand... ;) )
                               /
                         -=*=-/
                           ~

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I spin Gabber and hardstep/core... All I get is weird looks from my other
techno friends...

I see a few of the SPAZ DJ's spin Gabber... 

And F-8's MARS tosses a Gabber ep or two every great while(ususally no more
than 15Min tho..)

Hmm I guess SF is too laid back to have resident hardcore DJ's(???)...

"Dance with me"   


Adam
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>So here's my idea - we choose a cool event in LA and carpool down there
>for the weekend - it's really only a six 1/2 hour drive and we could rage
>in LA the day after -
>
>Whaddya say?
>

YAY!!! Lets do it...  I dig HardCore...   But it just don't exist up
here...

Crunchman



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Greetings..

WOW!!  Things are really coming together with me.   I met this Great girl
Claudia,  we've been working together as a partership for our new company
WebCrunchers...   I might be employed really soon,  details to follow...

Right now though,  back to subject at hand...

Down to Earth - at the small venue on Mission St.    Small,  cosey,  good
vibe,  really good female DJ from Canada ripped the dance area with some
new and refreshing tracks.   The DJ from Boston,  didn't get his name,  was
also GREAT!!   I might have gone to Basics,  but I just don't see how I
could have fun dancing in a hot stuffy smokey venue,   and at least
Down to Earth's venue banned smoking in there.

After Down to Earth,  I headed over to the Bagdad Cafe for breakfast,  then
made my way to Strawberry Sunday afterparty.   WOW!  I was impressed with
the vibe and the music.   Really good trancey house,   lots of excellent
beats.    It was the first time I've been to the Bahia venue.   Excellent
open air space,  high ceilings mean less 2nd hand smoke,   huge air conditioner
forced clean smokefree air into the place.    Only $3 cover charge.   I
highly recommend it...

After that,   I chilled a few hours,  then went over to the Haight St faire,
where I encountered a very strange situation.   This tall dude who I've seen
a lot at raves,   often has his hair tied up in a knot,   wears a shortened
t-shirt that covers only the upper part,  came up to me and said I sold him
bogus vitamen A,  and demanded that I give him $20 or he was going to give me
a choice to either punch me in the face or stomach.   Anyway,  I was luckey
and slipped away from him in the hude crowds.   I saw him again in Ameba,
but don't think he noticed me.    Anyway,  people should watch out for
people like that,   expecially since I don't go selling vitamin A.

I went to another party between Ameba and Galen's party,  which was pumpin
BIG TIME,  but then the music stopped,  and as I left,  I realized why...

Da piggie wiggies were at the door....   I slipped out,  and merged with
the wonderful happy crowd...  then left early to prepare for my big job
interview in SF at 7 pm in Union Square.    I went to my friends place to
clean up and had an excellent dinner and interview with the president of
a leading 3d company (detais pending official offer)...   He was really
impressed,  and it means I can work literally anywhere,  might even
possibly get my OWN T-1 link because I'll need the bandwidth,  but at
least would get ISDN.

Today,  I go looking for my new place...   I'll keep you all informed...

And,  to top it off,   I finally got my personal communications service
fully working and functional,  no thanks to Pac Bell who accidentally
disconnected my 415-381-5847.    It's finally connected again,  tied to
Pac Bell messaging service with paging options so I won't miss as
many calls.

Crunch out..



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Yep, my gran papy said dem some prutty odd folk in dem dar hills.....

"dance with me...."

Adam

MIKE BOLGER,dislex@sfsu.edu,Internet writes:
...and it happened on the third day after the sixth day of the sixth 
month of the sixth year of this decade.

hail satan !


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>>Illusions,  Richard Bach.
>>
>>Great book huh?
>>
>>Rick
>>
>Awesome book!!!  I think everyone should read it, and _A Bridge Across
>Forever_, by the same author.  I got a great deal out of them; helped me to
>re-define my outlook on life in many ways :)
>
>Peace,
>
>- E

You want to read a great book?  Mutant Message Down Under.  I lent it to my
friend when she went to Florida and she lent it to her friend so
unfortunately I cannot tell you who the author is.  I'm sure anyone in a
bookstore would know.  It has become a pretty popular book.  It is about a
woman who helps some aboriginal youth in Australia (equal to gang youth in
L.A.) get jobs and get their lives together.  A group of Aboriginals still
traveling in the Outback decide to show their gratitude by taking her on a
walkabout for three months.  It is in the fiction section because it is so
controversial.  She was not allowed to bring anything with her so she was
not able to write anything down.  This is why people doubt her, but as you
read, you can feel in your heart that this woman had an absolutely amazing
experience.  If you ever get the chance and are into sociology you will
enjoy this book.

-Nancy



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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:

> >Just because it is private property doesn't mean no hassles from the police.
> >Remember, they have guns and if they want to come in, they will. The police
> >"break" the law all of the time and are rarely taken to task unless you have
> >a really good lawyer or a really bad cop. So it really needs to be
> >remote, sorta in the same way the TF space was, several ,miles down dirt roads,
> >the police could come in with helicopters but in that part of the country,
> >flying copters in the dark over people's property may not be such a safe idea.
> 
> Oh come off it; cop bashing is such a pointless waste of time. They aren't
> lawbreakers or assholes, they're just out there doing unpopular stuff
> because there's more to this world than ravers and flower people. I know
> there's prick cops, but there's nice cops too (I've run into more than a
> few) and it's annoying when people just assume that cops are shitheads just
> because they're enforcing laws that (for the most part) have pretty solid
> reasoning behind them but aren't perfect.

yup, there definetly are good cops and bad cops. i remember i helped 
throw a party on march 23rd and a cop shows up at the map point a few 
blocks away and catches us selling tickets, thinking were selling drugs. 
so james and i explain to him exactly what is going on, ie. "no officer 
were not dope dealers, were just selling tickets to a party" so he tells 
us that what were doing is illegal, but he didnt want to bust the party, 
saying he had better things to do, just wanted to make sure we wernt 
selling drugs there on teh corner. so with that he left us alone. ive 
seen cops let a lot of underground parties go, as long as there is no 
noise complaints. i know some oakland cops let many parties go even 
*with* noise complaints untill the neighbors got so fed up they had to 
act. so basically, its good to realize that just because someone is a cop 
representing the law which we may not agree with, that cop also will use 
his or her judgment wether to enforce the law. being up front and open 
with the police has enabled many UG parties to continue. its sorta a two 
way thing, cuz there is always those cops who enjoy being shitheads, and 
they almost always do get the final word, lawfully and sometimes not. 
this is turning into a longer post than i planned, basically all you's 
out there doing this sorta thing, use common sence.

lotsa love,
tom

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On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, jess wrote:

> I don't know about you but sometimes I just feel like fucking screaming my
> head off - when this happens I go see a very violent movie (OK, I admit
> it, I loved T2, Total Recall etc..) or I go to a very loud obnoxious
> party.  
> How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
> suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?
> So here's my idea - we choose a cool event in LA and carpool down there
> for the weekend - it's really only a six 1/2 hour drive and we could rage
> in LA the day after - 

Well this friday the party called Orion should fit your bill. One room 
devoted strictly to hardcore and jungle. info : 415-273-1190 or 916-392-9105.
And if you buy your tickets presale it should be quite affordable...

hannibal selecta


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Subject: Paul McCarney doing Techno?!?!?!
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Has anyone ever heard of a CD by a group called "The Fireman" titled 
"Strawberries Oceans Ships Forrests"?  Came out in '93 on Capital 
Records.  Someone at work brought it in and he says its Paul McCartney 
produced by Youth but the CD has no credits listed.  The copyrights is 
Juggler Music which is, from what I'm told, Paul McCartney's Publishing 
company. 

The disk is really good!!  Slow (100bpm-ish) techno.

Can anyone confirm this???

-M  

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        Reply to:   RE>Paul McCarney doing Techno?!?!?!

That CD rocks!!!!  Really good dubby techno!  Almost Fluke-ish if you will.
Gotta work!  See ya!
-Jason
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Date: 6/10/96 3:59 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: Mark D. Camp
Has anyone ever heard of a CD by a group called "The Fireman" titled 
"Strawberries Oceans Ships Forrests"?  Came out in '93 on Capital 
Records.  Someone at work brought it in and he says its Paul McCartney 
produced by Youth but the CD has no credits listed.  The copyrights is 
Juggler Music which is, from what I'm told, Paul McCartney's Publishing 
company. 

The disk is really good!!  Slow (100bpm-ish) techno.

Can anyone confirm this???

-M  

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> Boo hoo :(  This is really a sad thing.  That was such a cool cafe.  They 
> just never had very much business.  If the location was changed, I think 
> the business would pick up.  Did they say anything about moving?  
> 
> --kaysee

>This sucks.  I can only imagine that they were not making enough money.  It
>seems if they just promoted the place a bit more, they would have done fine.
>They should have had a big "come support us night".... I would have gone.
>Anyplace that has open dex all the time (except when their are special
>DJ's there) should have done well.
>
>-troy

well, i talked to sifu, the rad owner guy, and he said things were just 
getting too tough.. i don't think the profit margin was very high.. i 
remember them saying they liked the location (i sure did, out of berkeley 
a ways..) so i don't think they wanted to move. they didn't want to 
advertise more either, i don't think.. they liked the quasi-underground 
word-of-mouth thing and the people that came. 

it sucks that your momma's is gone :( but i don't think that the owners 
wanted it saved really. it seemed like they had done what they wanted 
with the place and were now ready to tackle bigger adventures. look for a 
string of sifu & magic circle parties all summer long, starting with "the 
magic circle" this saturday in sf (unfortuantely same time as the new 
moon party..)

respect to those, like merittt, who choose to support the scene and not 
just suck money from the clubkids. lots of luck to him and his crew, 
wherever their adventures may take them.

see you at the new moon, and hopefully the magic circle as well

rkumar@lbl.gov


> On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, roger kumar wrote:
> 
> > saturday night/sunday morning there was a "get together" at Your Momma's 
> > Cafe, on college ave. in oakland. never had i see the place more full, 
> > and all was good, but then merit stopped the dj and made an anoucement
> > 
> > 	thanks everyone for comming out, but tonight it the last
> > 	night. then we're closing.
> > 
> > everyone was sad. your momma's and the people there were one of the reasons 
> > i'm in the bay area again. 6.9.96 was the last time.
> > 
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jess wrote:
 
> How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
> suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?

> Let's explore the seedier side of Techno...

Finally, a reason to visit L.A. Have you checked out any clubs/hardcore 
parties down there?

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> 
> I have one question: what was the dj lineup between Astral Matrix and Doc
> Martin? There was one guy who played some really nice breakbeat...
> 
> -m.

  I think it might have been DAN.  I saw on the list that some guy 
called the person who does all Dan's bookings  and she told him that Dan 
was booked for Basics on Sat. so maybe that is who you heard doing those 
phat BBs.

RaVe On!

-mhg

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hello all-

just sayin hello from palo alto, where i work now.  beautiful day.  having
fun doing websites.  looking foreward to getting out dancing this week. 
just wanted to share some of my happiness with those that might need it.


LOVE!!!!

matt l

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Interesting idea with a few problems.

Single Owner:	

This person would be volunteering for all liability, taxes, permits (private property 
or no you will probably need permits for anything regular), insurance obligations ( 
any sane major act will not play without coverage) and legal stuff.

Small group: 	

Same problems except now you need a consenceous to get anything done.

California Schedule S Registered Non-Profit: 

This is the only way that makes sense. The $100 investment would become shares of 
stock in privately held not for profit corporation (an arts charity?) The decisions 
would be made by a Board of Directors or Chief Executive elected by the shareholders. 
The advantages of this is that the corp. would be legally liable in the event of an 
incident instead of the shareholders or the board. Since the government is now 
involved it would a requirement to stay completely above board. (i.e. proper papers, 
auditing of funds, taxes, maintaince of the facilities, etc.)

Were talking real work here. Essentially your are suggesting opening a night club 
without the walls. Some one would have to devote major time and effort to this project 
and do it as a part/full time job. Slack off on the details and the property and 
investment will vanish in the wind fairly quickly. 

One last thing, If any member were caught in an illegal activity on the grounds the 
property could be seized under zero-tolerance.

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>> First favorite song?  Hard to remember that far back...  "Ho Ho Ho, It's 
>> Magic".  I was 12.  I don't suppose anyone knows who the heck sang that one?
>
>	That would be The Cars.

Uh oh, get ready... this is where I show a little age...

The Cars did a *remake* of the song in question.  The song I was referring 
to came out in the early 70's.  And come to think of it, I would have been 
about 8 years old when it came out...  I don't think The Cars did that version.

Anyone know who did the original?

S


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Basics Four Year Anni8versary / Planet Rampant Tour 1996

lineup:

Tony
Josh
Doran
Astral Matrix
Brownie
Doc Martin
Garth

pax,
-w

ps: for those of you that liked the Doc Martin/Garth set, there's a chance
that it will come out as a 120 minute mixtape...

____________________________________________________________________________
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>I spin Gabber and hardstep/core... All I get is weird looks from my other
>techno friends...

Say man,   get in touch with the Friends and Family people,  like Ethan
or some of the other SFRavers and see if you can get on the lineup.  I'm
sure that these people would be open to hearing some Hard Core.   Also
the Planet Rock promoters (don't recall their Email address,  but they're
on the list).   Or better yet,   get together a sound system,  and a few of
your close friends and put on your OWN parties,  make up the flyers,  and
pass them out.   Just remember to go looking for this older dude with a
grey beard (Me!  :-) and let me have one as well.

>
>I see a few of the SPAZ DJ's spin Gabber...

Yea,   Dave Bayer (From SFRaves) spins Gabber also,  and he spun at a
previous Friends and Family gig.    SAY!!   Speaking of Friends and Family,
when can we expect to see another one.    It's been a while sincewe had
one,   WHAT SAY?    Summer is here....   How about an outdoor one...?

>
>Hmm I guess SF is too laid back to have resident hardcore DJ's(???)...
>

Yea,   faster BPM's in SF just aren't that popular for some reason.

The Crunchman



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Yeah, Whad up yall--

I had a good time too,  The place just needed a little bit more fresh air.
And too bad they had noise complantes and turned the music down a little
(but it went back up later)...

Met a few sfravers -hi yall- and my dear Sarvi, This whole time you been
readin my mail(maybe you haven't) and I've been talkin to you at parties
and you didn't know I was on this list.  Well hello agian...

Doran kicked ass (me and a few friends got quite a few people jumpin' at
the speakers--yeah, I loved it) and so did Doc, I would love to get a tape
if it was recorded.  Free stuff ws cool since I was in dire need of some
munchies and the people were cool too. I am still sore from dancin'...sorry
guys no chillin' for me at this party, I loved the music toooo much.

Well kidee found it "different" and "more laid back" than the LA parties,
but still had a good time.

I came away thinkin' I wanted some hardcore too.  Is there another MADDNESS
planned soon or a good hardcore party goin on soon?  I would deffinately go
to LA and I know of a few good ones comin up tooo.

Peace and love yall,

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 21:31:53 1996
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Hey SFR;

        Just woke up, yeah I know I'm a total vamp with sharp pointy teeth
and everything, but what's up tonight?

Peace
THX1138


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 21:32:29 1996
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From: Jim Cyr <surfpunk@well.com>
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absolutely Paul McCartney
i bought it out of curiousity at the time it came out
guess i'll give it a dusting off
jim cyr

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, Mark D. Camp wrote:

> Has anyone ever heard of a CD by a group called "The Fireman" titled 
> "Strawberries Oceans Ships Forrests"?  Came out in '93 on Capital 
> Records.  Someone at work brought it in and he says its Paul McCartney 
> produced by Youth but the CD has no credits listed.  The copyrights is 
> Juggler Music which is, from what I'm told, Paul McCartney's Publishing 
> company. 
> 
> The disk is really good!!  Slow (100bpm-ish) techno.
> 
> Can anyone confirm this???
> 
> -M  
> 
>                             ***ASTRONOUT***
>                           sounds textures beats
> 
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 21:34:44 1996
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Heya;

        Who art thou Astralscape, and why doesth thou throw such large
events to start, the NET wants to know?

Peace
THX1138


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 21:36:17 1996
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well, America had a song called You Can do Magic that was an early
seventies hit . . .

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:

> >> First favorite song?  Hard to remember that far back...  "Ho Ho Ho, It's 
> >> Magic".  I was 12.  I don't suppose anyone knows who the heck sang that one?
> >
> >	That would be The Cars.
> 
> Uh oh, get ready... this is where I show a little age...
> 
> The Cars did a *remake* of the song in question.  The song I was referring 
> to came out in the early 70's.  And come to think of it, I would have been 
> about 8 years old when it came out...  I don't think The Cars did that version.
> 
> Anyone know who did the original?
> 
> S
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 22:15:52 1996
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Awright, Awright...  (Gets up from computer, blows dust off of CD
collection...)  Yep, I have it here somewhere...  Ah yes here it is,
"Magic" by Pilot, on Super Hits of the 70's, Vol. 14...  Hmm, produced
by Alan Parsons...  Do I have the most annoying record collection on
the planet?  Not even close...

David

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:36:07 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>well, America had a song called You Can do Magic that was an early
>seventies hit . . .
>
>On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:
>
>> >> First favorite song?  Hard to remember that far back...  "Ho Ho Ho, It's 
>> >> Magic".  I was 12.  I don't suppose anyone knows who the heck sang that one?
>> >
>> >	That would be The Cars.
>> 
>> Uh oh, get ready... this is where I show a little age...
>> 
>> The Cars did a *remake* of the song in question.  The song I was referring 
>> to came out in the early 70's.  And come to think of it, I would have been 
>> about 8 years old when it came out...  I don't think The Cars did that version.
>> 
>> Anyone know who did the original?
>> 
>> S
>> 
>> 
>

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 22:26:04 1996
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Heya SF;

        Well it looks like 'm gonna do the feline thang, purrrrrrrrrrr see
ya there.

Peace
THX1138


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i spent a few mellow early friday nights the last couple months at your
momma's, listening to DJ Rich spin some cool jungle . . . it was a positive
space, and maybe that rave-ticket window smashing incident that someone
posted about here 2 months ago or so took its toll . . . i wish the owners
well . . .



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 10 23:45:00 1996
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Nancy W. Wolfe wrote:
> 

> It is in the fiction section because it is so
> controversial.  She was not allowed to bring anything with her so she was
> not able to write anything down.  This is why people doubt her, but as you
> read, you can feel in your heart that this woman had an absolutely amazing
> experience.  

Mutant Message From Down Under
Marlo Morgan, HarperCollins, (240p) ISBN 0-06-017192-8

It is in the fiction sectione because she lied and was discovered. Several newspapers 
checked the authors pasport records. She wasn't even in Austraila at the time the 
walkabout 'happened'. This was not an honorable woman.

check http://gnew.gn.apc.org/inquirer/news.html for a copy of the press release.

The world is to damn interesting to have to lie about it.

Patrick

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Yup, that's right. Paul McCartney & Youth. Weird but good.
Tim

>Has anyone ever heard of a CD by a group called "The Fireman" titled
>"Strawberries Oceans Ships Forrests"?  Came out in '93 on Capital
>Records.  Someone at work brought it in and he says its Paul McCartney
>produced by Youth but the CD has no credits listed.  The copyrights is
>Juggler Music which is, from what I'm told, Paul McCartney's Publishing
>company.
>
>The disk is really good!!  Slow (100bpm-ish) techno.
>
>Can anyone confirm this???
>
>-M
>
>                            ***ASTRONOUT***
>                          sounds textures beats


Tim Gotch
tim@redshift.com
http://www.redshift.com/~tim
Hyper Design Technologies
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Monterey, CA 93940
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>>>How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
>>>somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?

Perhaps some people might  lease some of the land around the edge of the
property
and live on it.  (They don't get to complain about noise, of course).   That
would
cover some of the carrying costs and help to ensure that the place didn't
get trashed.

I agree with the suggestion that it be a non-profit or not-for-profit entity.
We are not intending it to be a business, after all.

I'm sure there is a way we could make this work.



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>Hi folks -
>
> As for meeting up at the Polo Fields - I have no experience with the Polo
>Fields , so if someone could recommend a meeting place, I'd be waiting there.
>To make things easy , I'll be wearing my SFRaves laminates. And sunblocker,
>but you won't be able to see that...

I don't know them either... I guess I'll just be floating around. Maybe we
should take a cue from Jan, Bryan and Sarvi and meet in the general area of
the right front speaker?

-m.


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>the kind that makes you want to see
>people in riot gear
>trying to deal with you

LOL!

I love juicy tidbits like this; rock critic-style writing is so fun to read!

-m.


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about this land thing, if it does happen, would be cool if it could be an 
open space without too many trees, so that way some of us who are working 
on their pilots license could fly and land there....
;)



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>>>>How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
>>>>somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?
>
>Perhaps some people might  lease some of the land around the edge of the
>property
>and live on it.  (They don't get to complain about noise, of course).   That
>would
>cover some of the carrying costs and help to ensure that the place didn't
>get trashed.
>
>I agree with the suggestion that it be a non-profit or not-for-profit entity.
>We are not intending it to be a business, after all.
>
>I'm sure there is a way we could make this work.

I agree with black adder this is a good idea butr has to be handled right,
the main thing that has to be engineered into the deal is how to deal with
conflict and disagreements among the share-holders, land stewards, neighbors,
etc.  It's all good when parties agree, but the test of any venture is how the
whole thing fares when people disagree.  It's been my experiencve that the more
people involved the bigger the problem (which is why the USofA with all its
problems, is still somewhat of a miracle that something this size with this many
points of view hasn't melted down yet, no flames please :) In any event, the
US has a constitution, businesses have contracts, lawyers make money off of
people,
and entitites that disagree, how do we handle disagreement so as to minimize:

        1) Factionalization
        2) Lawsuites
        3) General Nastiness
        4) Control by an Elite

In many respects, having the land owned by a small number of people makes
the most sense logistically speaking (which I guess could be said to be the
Republican view :), that way it is easier to have the 5 - 10 people debate
or vote or whatever and come to a decision.  

Being in business for myself now, I can see how almost everyting in America is
set up to enable business and the flow of commerce, I think it needs to
be a business if only to protect the owners from liability if someone is hurt
on the land.  These are the issues that really have to be thought of if you
want this to be a reality.


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A while back a few of us were bantering around a similar concept that 
we were calling the HouseNation. It essentially was to get a parcel of land
in Northern California (more like 200 rather than 2 acres). Were we could build
some form of intentional community as we all grew older.  Part of the idea was
to build the beginnings in CyberSpace (a "virtual site") and then eventually
link the virtual world with the physical place.  This is not to far fetched with
the availability of T1 via satellite and T3 via wireless microwave, one could
have quite a rural cybernetic community with plenty of bandwidth to link it to
the rest of the planet.  I've been musing about what it would take to
"wire" the TF site with a _serious_ internet link (ISDN or greater). My guess
is that the problem is in the "last mile" or local loop.  There is probably
sufficient Telco infrastructure up to a place like willetts but then getting
massive bits out to the boonies would take some form of wireless transmission.
56K is no problem but we're talking 45 - 100 Mbits here :)

Anyway I think is good if the rave community starts to think in this direction,
ultimately if you want to have something lasting you need to have some form of
infrastructure and land (in America at least) is an important component.





                                                G


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To  The List:

I went to my first event on May 31- June 1st (Moontribe's FULL MOON 
GATHERING) In the desert near Barstow.  I went with my best friend Jeff
and his two friends, Kerry and Celine.

I was blown away by the positive vibe there!  Jeff said that the scene 
in Northern California is probably a bit on the more spiritual on chill 
side and that it would probably suit me better.  

I also did E that nite for the 1st time.  So as you can imagine, I had a 
fuckin' GREAT time.  

What I want to know is this:

Is there any kind of scene in the South Bay (S. Jose/ Santa Cruz) or 
Monterey Bay/ Salinas area?  If not, why not?  The area is beautiful 
and significantly more remote than the city (probably fewer noise 
problems).  I know it would mean that some of you city folk would have 
to drive south once in a while but what I've gotten so far from the 
scene is that people don't mind driving long distances if they think 
they will have a good time.  After all, we drove 3 hours to get to 
MOONTRIBE!  It was the shit!

I would be willing to work for free (passing out flyers, making calls, 
etc.) to get more of a scene here in the south.  I know there are 
very good DJ's here in the south that would probably like to have a 
larger home scene.  

Santa Cruz, Monterey, Carmel, Big Sur... these all have a long history 
of being cities that inspire the best in human nature, beauty, 
environmental consciousness, really positive energy all around.

So to any would be promoters out there, how about it? Check out the 
Pinnacles (Near Soledad- It's Fuckin' Beautiful, Man!) How about 
Fremonts Peak, Arroyo Seco, Toro Park, etc. 

If you would like, E-mail me about volunteering, or if you are in the 
south bay and know the scene, drop me a line, I'd love to be part of it 
and help it to grow.

Hasta. PEACE.

-Aaron (That Guy In Santa Cruz)

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On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Geoff White wrote:

> A while back a few of us were bantering around a similar concept that 
> we were calling the HouseNation. It essentially was to get a parcel of land
> in Northern California (more like 200 rather than 2 acres). Were we could build
> some form of intentional community as we all grew older.  Part of the idea was
> to build the beginnings in CyberSpace (a "virtual site") and then eventually
> link the virtual world with the physical place.  This is not to far fetched with
> the availability of T1 via satellite and T3 via wireless microwave, one could
> have quite a rural cybernetic community with plenty of bandwidth to link it to
> the rest of the planet.  I've been musing about what it would take to
> "wire" the TF site with a _serious_ internet link (ISDN or greater). My guess
> is that the problem is in the "last mile" or local loop.  There is probably
> sufficient Telco infrastructure up to a place like willetts but then getting
> massive bits out to the boonies would take some form of wireless transmission.
> 56K is no problem but we're talking 45 - 100 Mbits here :)

Well, not quite T-3 but there are a couple of new spread spectrum 
transmitters that are supposed to be pretty spiffy. Internex will be 
bringing one out to Burning Man.

                                              Black Adder


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Here's something to think about.

If about 3 to 5 of the collectives get together as well as the few people
that want to donate the $100 or more, buy a big enough piece of land to have
2-3 parties on it without the conflict of noise from one party to the other,
this would work. One person from each collective and one or two people to
represent the few that donated the $100 bucks or more would be the "Main"
people in charge of the space and as far as any issues that arouse from
having the land. There will be say a $20-$30 dollar charge to get onto the
property if there's say 2 or 3 parties on the land at the same time. For
those who donated they would have a pass to get in for free. Of course if
there is only one party then the price would be lower. People would have a
choice to goto any party they wanted. There would be a main parking area and
if the wanted to go from party to party they would have to walk to each one
or have a communal bus thing going. Whatever money was collected would go
towards up keep and whatever for that land. 

As far as what parties or thrown on any specific dates, there would be a
meeting of the 3 to 5 people from the collectives and the 1 or 2 people
representing all the others that donated and they would vote. With a big
enough space to have 2 or 3 parties far enough from each other so that the
music wouldn't conlfict at any other space, I think it can workout. We also
could have a building or 2 built on the site for when it get into the rainy
seasons. We have alot of resources here on SFRaves, many people with many
talents. People that are in contruction, computers, electricians, doctors,
lawyers and half a dozen other occupations that can help out with anything.
Let utilize these people and make this happen. We can do it if we all get
involve and help in any way we can.
 
Tim (knucklehead)


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FYI...I got this from someone in my office.

Kathryn

>>Mime-Version: 1.0
>>Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:29:19 -0700
>>To: barlow@eff.org
>>From: John Perry Barlow <barlow@eff.org>
>>Subject: Celebrating The Good Doctor...
>>
>>
>>Hola,
>>
>>There will be a gathering to celebrate the astonishing life of Dr. Timothy
>>Leary at 7 p.m. Wednesday, June 12 at the First Unitarian Church (corner of
>>Geary and Franklin) in San Francisco. Various noted acid-heads and friends
>>of liberty will reminisce and perform.
>>
>>Please come by if you'd like to honor the memory of this great
>>prophet-charlatan, the bravest man I ever knew. You'll find excellent
>>company at this event, including my own.
>>
>>Hope to see you there.
>>
>>John Perry
>>
>>
>>
>>P.S. Please pass this on to anyone who you think might be interested. Feel
>>also free to post it. Indeed, feel also free...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>****************************************************************
>>John Perry Barlow, Cognitive Dissident
>>Co-Founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation
>>
>>Home(stead) Page: http://www.eff.org/~barlow
>>
>>Message Service: 800/634-3542
>>
>>Barlow in Meatspace Today: Los Angeles
>>
>>Coming soon to:  San Francisco 6/12,  Stockholm 6/13-15, Lulea, Sweden
>>6/16-17, Pinedale, Wyoming 6/18-23, Utah Deserts 6/23-?
>>
>>In Memoriam, Dr. Cynthia Horner, Jerry Garcia, and Timothy Leary
>>
>>*****************************************************************
>>
>>There's so much comedy on television.  Does that cause comedy in the streets?
>>
>>                                           -- Dick Cavett
>>
>>
>




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>Uh oh, get ready... this is where I show a little age...
>
>The Cars did a *remake* of the song in question.  The song I was referring
>to came out in the early 70's.  And come to think of it, I would have been
>about 8 years old when it came out...  I don't think The Cars did that version.
>
>Anyone know who did the original?
>
>S
It was definitely not The Cars; they never did any remakes.  I know exactly
which song you have in mind, but I can't recall who did it...

- E



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Hi there SF party-goers,

My boyfriend & I will be coming from Sheffield in England to San 
Francisco next week for two weeks. We'll be out and about getting a taste 
of SF's nightlife (and daylife) and would love to meet up with some 
SFravers at techno, hardhouse, drum 'n bass, ambient and other 
clubs/parties. 

Hope to hear from you...
Love Gill.

PS. all information/advice on the best (and cheap!) places to stay in SF 
and surrounding areas would be greatly appreciated!   

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> > I have one question: what was the dj lineup between Astral Matrix and Doc
> > Martin? There was one guy who played some really nice breakbeat...

>   I think it might have been DAN.  I saw on the list that some guy 
> called the person who does all Dan's bookings  and she told him that Dan 
> was booked for Basics on Sat. so maybe that is who you heard doing those 
> phat BBs.

No, it was Chris Brown from Rampant, aka Brownie from LA.  I talked to DJ 
Dan there, but I know he didn't spin.  He just told Paul (his booking 
agent) that he was playing there so he could hang out and not have to 
spin that night :)

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> > 
> > How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
> > suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?

	I know the feeling. I really only get into techno when it has a 4/4
beat and is at least 180bpm, with lots of sampled screams thrown in a big
plus. Since I moved to the bay area I have pretty much given up on hearing
this kind of stuff "live", and I am making do importing gabber from germany
& rotterdam. The LA label Cleopatra (and their sub label Hypnotic) do put out
a few moderately hardcore compilation albums, "Terrortrance" and "Trance Hardcore"
being two of my favorites.

					Marisa


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This is for all you tech support people out there...have a laugh.

----------------------------------------------------------------


Caller:         "Hello, is this Tech Support?"

Tech Rep:       "Yes, it is.  How may I help you?"

Caller:         "The cup holder on my PC is broken and I am
                within my  warranty period.  How do I go about getting that
fixed?"

Tech Rep:       "I'm sorry, but did you say a cup holder?"

Caller:         "Yes, it's attached to the front of my computer."

Tech Rep:       "Please excuse me if I seem a bit stumped, it's
                because I am.  Did you receive this as part of a promotional, at
                a trade  show?  How did you get  this cup holder?  Does it have
                any  trademark on it?"

Caller:         "It came with my computer, I don't know anything
                about a  promotional.  It just has '4X' on it."

                At this point the Tech Rep had to mute the caller,
                because he couldn't stand it.  The caller had
                been using the load drawer  of the CD-ROM drive as a
                cup holder, and snapped it off the  drive.

Oops!




Tim (knucklehead)



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Ahhhhhhh yes.....
     
 Gotta say my first fave was    "Fernando"      by ABBA......
     
     
I *STILL* love that song...Anyone else?
     
     
Steve
     
"Cool it now" was pretty nice too...
     
"I said Ronny...Bobby...Rikki & Mike..." :)

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On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, ajtoy wrote:
     
> To everyone on tha list:
> How would you feel about putting up $100 to own part of a parcel of land 
> somewhere in Nor-Calif for the specific purpose of having raves?  If 100 
> hardcore ravers kicked in $100, that would be $10,000 to go toward the
> purchase of an acre or 2 (in a desolate but beautiful area). 
I can dig it...count me in for a coupla' slabs.
     
>I think a hundred owners definetly have the potential to work 
>cooperatively. 
     
>From the community vibe I've seen on this list, there's no question. 
>
> It has just seemed to me that there are so many good people out there
> that want to have a good time and all too often they have to be anxious 
> about the vibe.
No Doubt! It's a tragedy to be inside a party having a Incredible time, 
and not being able to COMPLETELY GO-OFF because your worried about either 
your car, your personal safety (i.e. thuggies wit da' 'tude), or the fact 
that you just threw down 25$ for a party that you fear will git busted...
     
When ALL those factors are eliminated (or the chances greatly reduced), 
you have the ability to feel TRUE freedom, and let go of your cares and 
hang-ups for that moment in time.  You can experience Timelessness...And 
for me, that's what the FEELING of ecstacy it's all about.  The more 
negative things that can be eliminated from an experience/situation, the 
better...especially in times of altered conciousness.
     
The greatest defining factor between a bad trip and a good one is 
surroundings... (Aside from massive excess of course ;)
     
Let's git it on!
     
     
Steve


(just how many Steves are on this list anyway..... ?  :)

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I will be there with a couple of other friends :)

Cassandra

On Sun, 9 Jun 1996,
Jonathan Mark Logan wrote:

> 	
> I stood in line for 30 minutes today with a bunch of Dave Matthews Band 
> fans and got my slimy hands on a ticket to the Orbital
> show on the 24th at the Fillmore.  Woohoo!
> 
> 	Any other SFravers going?
> 
> 		jon
> 
> 


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I'm trying to find out if there is anywhere to buy tickets for the June 24
event besides bass with the stupid $6.50 services charges crap.

Rick



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Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where 
to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes 
me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound 
like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder, 
two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!  
It makes me freak!

If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have 
it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!

S


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>well, America had a song called You Can do Magic that was an early
>seventies hit . . .

No, this goes back further than that.  Geez, my wrinkles are showing...

S


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> Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where 
> to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes 
> me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound 
> like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder, 
> two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!  
> It makes me freak!

Sounds like about a billion songs :)  Do you remember who was playing it?

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>here are some funny ones...
>

>
>  Do chickens think rubber humans are funny?
>
>  Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4s"?
>
>  Do indecisive squids discharge erasable ink?
>
>  Does distressed leather come from very tense cows?
>
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>
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>
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>  is it considered a hostage situation?
>
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>
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>  they still grow, but only to be troubled and insecure?
>
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>
>  Is there such a thing as dried fruit flies?
>
>  Should animal shampoo be tested on humans?
>
>  Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?
>
>  Why don't more masked robbers hold up ski lodges?
>
>  Why are builders afraid to have a 13th floor but book publishers
>  aren't afraid to have a Chapter 11?



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> our return transmission begins...
> TODAY: june 9nd, 1996 6:00pm eastern on the WWW
> http://www.beatbox.com

Can you give us some more notice next time? Thanks.


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Do you know how much the tickets are for the June 24th show @ the Fillmore?

-mhg


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I think I remember Bass saying they were $20 + $39,487,800.46 for the
service charge.  I also heard you can buy them at the Fillmore box office
without the extra charge.  Supposedly the boxoffice is only open on Sunday
for a couple of hours.  I'd call to verify.

Rick

At 01:34 PM 6/11/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Do you know how much the tickets are for the June 24th show @ the Fillmore?
>
>-mhg
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        Reply to:   RE>>orbital

Twenty-four smackers.  I haven't acually picked my ticket up from my friend, so I don't know if this is before or after Bass takes its unfair share, but I would think it to be after...
See ya there!
-Jason
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Date: 6/11/96 1:44 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: -=]madame mercury[=-
Do you know how much the tickets are for the June 24th show @ the Fillmore?

-mhg


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Hey There, Hi There, Ho There;

        I'm more partial to Trance Nation or Techno Nation meself = >

Peace
THX1138


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> any half-assed promoter never promotes shows that aren't 100% confirmed.
> 
> I blame the Space Children ENTIRELY!

That's a great attitude.  Sometimes DJs, bands, and promoters, SAY they 
can do a gig, but later flake or find something better.  What if YOU were 
throwing a party, people SAID they could make it, and then later changed 
their minds, AFTER you printed flyers.  The people you should be pissed 
at are the promoters like the assholes who throw Plastik that say "All 
DJs are confirmed" the night of the party and then none of the good ones 
show up.  Cosmic and Laetitia are good people, and all of their other 
parties have gone off well.  They really had no control over this...

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>> the availability of T1 via satellite and T3 via wireless microwave, one could
>> have quite a rural cybernetic community with plenty of bandwidth to link
it to
>> the rest of the planet.  I've been musing about what it would take to
>> "wire" the TF site with a _serious_ internet link (ISDN or greater). My guess
>> is that the problem is in the "last mile" or local loop.  There is probably
>> sufficient Telco infrastructure up to a place like willetts but then getting
>> massive bits out to the boonies would take some form of wireless
transmission.
>> 56K is no problem but we're talking 45 - 100 Mbits here :)
>
>Well, not quite T-3 but there are a couple of new spread spectrum 
>transmitters that are supposed to be pretty spiffy. Internex will be 
>bringing one out to Burning Man.
>


Tell Marcos I hope he gets it right this time :)


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In a message dated 96-06-10 02:54:08 EDT, you write:

<< Non-owners would kick in a $10-$20 
 donation.
  >>
Thats were the money comes in. Who would hold this money? What would it be
used for? Who would spend it? Who would be in charge of it????
Jonathan

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Jondabomb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-06-10 02:54:08 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Non-owners would kick in a $10-$20
>  donation.
>   >>
> Thats were the money comes in. Who would hold this money? What would it be
> used for? Who would spend it? Who would be in charge of it????
> Jonathan

[snip]

jonathon-

the $ would be used for paying for misc expenses such as equip rentals 
(music, porta potties, medical supplies, etc.) dj's,food,permits, 
flyers, prmotional costs, prop taxes, etc.

a governing board would be elected by vote (each owner would have an 
equal say).  the $ would be held by a member of the board and deposited 
into the common bank account set up for the "site" expenses.

each owner would only be in $100.  after a few successful events, each 
person would break even and any subsequent events would (hopefully) 
operate at a break even or a nominal profit which would go back into the 
collective fund. 

I know it may seem rather "hippie-ish" to you; all this talk of communal 
sharing and positive energy and idealism, but I truly feel that if 
enough people got together and lived more of their conscious lives 
"as tho they were on E" something special could happen, even if only for 
a short time.

I'd like to be able to look back 10 yrs from now and think to myself... 
 " that was the best hundred bucks I ever spent.  The magic didn't last 
long but man... it sure was GREAT while it lasted! "

[PEACE]

-- Aaron

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Hi all!  I'm looking for either for a roommate to get a place, or a room in a
current space.  Communalish living in a house would be optimum.  I'm very
into making home, well, home.  My price range is the tough one, since I'll be
schooling full time I have to try to stay as low as possible, like under
350/mo, preferebly less.  Regarding area:  I have a car, and will get a
motorcycle, my school is on the berkely/oakland border.  I would like to live
close to the school, but would consider living in SF if I found the right
place.  Thanks lots,
Love,
Steveo

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For all ya'll in/near Sacramento not going to Liquid Groove, come on by 19th
and G (Downtown Sacto) Saturday afternoon/evening.  We'll should be chillin &
Grillin out back around 6ish and firing up the decks about 9.  Rigatony,
myself, fillip & whoever the hell else will be administering tunage, POSSIBLY
some ambience after 3 or so.  There also might be a guest performance by the
9to5's, (a real nutty surf RNB band, very non-rave but very fun) early in the
evening.  I would like to see a drum circle get going on the porch, (oh my
neighbors love it when I do that), but we'll just play it by ear. (get it? :)
 Probably wont be anything collosal (hopefully) but certainly cozy, nutty and
fun.  Alright then let's review: This Sat, BBQ, Beats, Band, Drums, 6PM-?. Be
there.
Love & Life,
Steveo
916 443 8225 for more info.

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Dateline Sacramento:
This Saturday, Steveo (1901 G st-Sac) will be launching an all out bonanza of
a Yard Sale.  I'm moving to the bay soon and I need to let loose lots of
shit.  I'll have a crate or two of records, nothing real good, lots of 90-93
house.  (Not that 90-93 house sucks)  Clothes, Art, Nick-nacks galore, a big
bed, two sets of crappy home spekkers, books, two chests full of stuffed
animals, semi-crap stereo equip. & more! 
Deals & Deals & Deals!

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>yup, there definetly are good cops and bad cops. so he tells
>us that what were doing is illegal, but he didnt want to bust the party,
>saying he had better things to do

{snip}


OK, just a quick cop story. We went to the 11th street block party on Sat
night to try and see George Clinton get *phunky*, (but we got there late).
We stuck around for a few hours dancing in the street to some funky old
disco. Every officer I saw that night was smiling, we dressed up a bit too,
so they kinda had to smile or even laugh at us. Some were even shakin' it
up a bit. I saw folks even lighting up right in front of the police. One
officer motioned to a guy to put it away, others just let it go. It was
pretty cool to groove with the police all around, without feeling any
pressure from them, and with the amount of alcohol consummed by many of the
patrons that night, I'm kinda glad they were there (just in case).

So is this the product of a new Mayor and DA ??  just a thought.

Vince




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Wow,
	this makes me so sad, I have gone there many a time to get away
and chill in  a really inviting environ...I send my thanks to the owners
of your mamas for all the nice times I have had there, I hope that they
are moving on to something better...I wish there were something to fill
the gap that I will fell by this special cafe being closed.

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, roger kumar wrote:

> saturday night/sunday morning there was a "get together" at Your Momma's 
> Cafe, on college ave. in oakland. never had i see the place more full, 
> and all was good, but then merit stopped the dj and made an anoucement
> 
> 	thanks everyone for comming out, but tonight it the last
> 	night. then we're closing.
> 
> everyone was sad. your momma's and the people there were one of the reasons 
> i'm in the bay area again. 6.9.96 was the last time.
> 
> -- 
> pJou_|        pgpfone encrypted calls and pgp encrypted mail accepted
>     _l                            public keys on server or by request
> 


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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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did anyone see sven vath in april?...I am jonesing for more of that...im
in!

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, John Draper wrote:

> >So here's my idea - we choose a cool event in LA and carpool down there
> >for the weekend - it's really only a six 1/2 hour drive and we could rage
> >in LA the day after -
> >
> >Whaddya say?
> >
> 
> YAY!!! Lets do it...  I dig HardCore...   But it just don't exist up
> here...
> 
> Crunchman
> 
> 
> 


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Hi friends,

Marcy and I got our tongues pierced yesterday evening at Body
Manipulations, here in SF. It was kind of a birthday present to each other
(mine: May 11th, hers, June 9th).

Since then we've been on a diet of Advil for the swelling and shakes,
smoothies, soup, and other blendables for a couple days for nutrition.

Tonite we ventured out to Hamburger Mary's and got something resembling
food. It was pretty strange learning to eat again now that we have these
steel bars running through the middle of our tongues.

Marcy was amazed how well I was eating all these mostly-solid foods while
she was having some problems. Then we got home and she realized that she
forgot to take her Advil just before we left. Oops -- huge swollen tongue
error! :-)

We'll see you this weekend at the New Moon party on Saturday night!
<http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon> (more info:
<anthrax@uclink.berkeley.edu>)

-w&m

ps: Thanks to the hundreds of people that sang her 'happy birthday' at
Basics last Saturday night/Sunday morning after the music was over. It was
her three month anniversary of raving and her birthday all at the same
time!

____________________________________________________________________________
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 From my 41-years-old perspective, here's my addition to the "first 
musical experience" thread ... kinda long ...

 No one song , but some scenarios come to mind - in consecutive order
starting from my childhood in Hawaii:

1. My mom had a music box - I don't know what the melody was , but it was
   pretty. I used to listen to it right up to my ear, so I could hear 
   not just the tinkling melody , but also the grinding, whirling and 
   pings of the mechanism. Sort of a proto-industrial/techno experience.

2. Sometimes at the beach, I would float face downwards with my ears
   underwater. Without the distraction of the sun in my face, I could 
   hear more acutely the strange sounds of the ocean . ( I never did 
   this too long , as I was afraid my mom would think I was drowning! ).
   My first experience with "ambient".

3. My dad didn't like rock-n-roll garbage, and he wasn't too keen
   on jazz either, but he loved singers like Nat King Cole, Billie
   Eckstine, Jerry Vale, and Perry Como. Instrumental stuff ran along
   lines like the Herp Alpert and the Tijuana Brass or guitar music. 
   He also had some Hawaiian music. We had a big refrigerator sized
   stereo console that I learned how to use. I would bring my pillow
   and blanket into the living room and load up a stack of records and
   go to sleep on the couch.

4. In the mid-60's, we lived next to a family with three teenage boys, 
   all of whom were into hot rods. Their carport was next to my bedroom .
   During the evenings, as I was drifting off to sleep, they would be 
   tinkering with a new carburator or some damn thing, all the while 
   with a radio tuned to a rock-n-roll station. So, I went to sleep to 
   the music of bands like the Beatles, the Dave Clark Five, the Rolling
   Stones, the Animals, and the Beach Boys.

5. High School: First albums - Rolling Stones "Sticky Fingers", 
   Grateful Dead "American Beauty" , King Crimson "Court Of The Crimson
   King".(Still got 'em.) I am a Deadhead for a few years, but get 
   annoyed with them for actually wasting vinyl to record a narcopletic
   tune called "Row Jimmy Row".

6. College : MC5, Iggy and the Stooges, Velvet Underground, The Who,
   Ramones, New York Dolls, Patti Smith, and European space rock. 
   I walk by someone's dorm room and hear some spacey thick sounds 
   oozing out. He was playing the Hawkwind album "Doremi Fasol Latido". 
   I borrowed it from him - side 1 blew my head clean off. Still does.

7. 1980s : Two Tone ska, Brian Eno, Talking Heads. I have gotten
   over my snit with the Grateful Dead and am listening to them again.
   A guitar player in a punk band who worked at a record store suggested
   that I try out something new - a band named Throbbing Gristle. It may 
   be strange to use the phrase "like a breath of fresh air" in reference
   to this grandfather of industrial bands, but that's what it was like! 
   Breaking past the spell of guitars/drums/synths into strange bold 
   realms of purposeful noise and sampled sounds.

8. 1992 - First rave and first massive - Toon Town's "UFOs Are Real".
   Some first techno - FSOL "Papau New Guinea", Studio X "Los Kings Del
   Mambo".

 That's enough for now !
   

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Hiya SF!

Well, while I had a great visit to the Bay Area this past weekend, I didn't
make it to Basics.  =(  =(  =(   I got to F-8 just as they were selling the
last tickets (around 12:45am). They (F-8) suggested we hang out (elsewhere)
until 2am and see if more tickets showed up but they never did. I went down
to the site, but of course couldn't get in as the place was at or over
capacity. Well, this teaches me a lesson: When attempting to rave in SF,
get tix as soon as they start selling them! My mistake...

A question was posed:

>> I have one question: what was the dj lineup between Astral Matrix and Doc
>> Martin? There was one guy who played some really nice breakbeat...

And -=]madame mercury[=- suggested:

>  I think it might have been DAN.  I saw on the list that some guy
>called the person who does all Dan's bookings  and she told him that Dan
>was booked for Basics on Sat. so maybe that is who you heard doing those
>phat BBs.

Then John corrected:

>No, it was Chris Brown from Rampant, aka Brownie from LA.  I talked to DJ
>Dan there, but I know he didn't spin.  He just told Paul (his booking
>agent) that he was playing there so he could hang out and not have to
>spin that night :)

This is true. It was I who posted that Dan would be spinning at Basics
(information relayed to me from the booking agent's receptionist) but then
Dan's booking agent called me back to my answering machine in Texas to let
me know that Dan was taking the weekend off and would _not_ be spinning at
Basics.

Sorry I missed y'all, but I'll be back soon.  =)

Hugz,
-Chet

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               of moral endeavor. 2. The pursuit of pleasure.



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The Communication Decency Act was ruled Unconstitutional today and an
injunction against its enforcement was issued.

Chalk one up for the First Amendment!!!!

Please don't "group reply" to this post, as it is massively cross-posted...

-troy


Wednesday June 12 9:11 AM EDT

US Court Strikes Down Internet Indecency Law

PHILADELPHIA (Reuter) - A U.S. court ruled Wednesday that a law prohibiting
the distribution of indecent material accessible to children over the
Internet and other online networks was unconstitutional.

``As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet
deserves the highest protection from government intrusion,'' the three-judge
panel said in imposing a preliminary injunction against enforcement of the
statute.

The case involves the Communications Decency Act signed into law by
President Bill Clinton on Feb. 8.

The law punishes the distribution to minors of obscene or indecent material
over the Internet or commerical online services with fines and up to two
years in prison.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed the suit against the Justice
Department the same day the measure became law. The suit was combined with a
separate action undertaken by major online services and software giant
Microsoft Corp.

Opponents say the bill is unconstitutional, unenforceable and would
drastically curtail what they said is the highly democratic nature of speech
in ``cyberspace.''

But the U.S. government said the law was essential to shield children who
have easy access to a growing amount of pornography online.

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Warning: NON RAVE RELATED!!!

Victory for round one! 
On to the Supreme Court....

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[1] ALERT: WE WIN!  COURT RULES 3-0 IN FAVOR OF FREE SPEECH!  READ THE
+   DECISION!
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__     _________        __
\ \   / /_   _\ \      / /          FREE SPEECH WINS IN COURT!
 \ \ / /  | |  \ \ /\ / /          THE COURT DISSES THE CDA 3-0
  \ V /   | |   \ V  V /
   \_/    |_|    \_/\_/         NETIZENS CELEBRATE WITH FIREWORKS

              Redistribute this intact until June 15, 1996
                    URL:http://www.vtw.org/speech/

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Table of Contents
        News
        How can I help spread the word?
        Rally information for NYC and Pittsburgh
        Press information

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NEWS

WE WIN!

After 18 months of work, netizens finally got the justice they so
richly deserve.  The three-judge panel in Philadelphia issued a ruling
today saying that they had examined the Communications Decency Act,
learned about the Internet as a medium, and concluded that the law is
an inappropriate method of regulating cyberspace.  This decision
establishes an overwhelmingly positive precedent for the final decision
by the Supreme Court, expected early next year.

The famed "Question Mark" icon that had started popping up all over the
WWW changed simultaneously at 9:09am from a question mark to fireworks,
as thousands of Netizens began the mad rush to obtain a copy of the
court decision celebrating their victory.  You can read a copy of the
decision or obtain a copy of the icon yourself at
http://www.vtw.org/speech/

Senator Feingold (D-WI) said today, "This is welcome news for all of us
who not only support free speech, but who also want to see this new
dynamic communications technology develop safe from the threat of
censorship."

Feingold continued, "This issue is larger than so-called 'adult'
expression or communications.  It is about whether the government will
decide what we see, hear, and write."

Join millions of other netizens as they read the decision, rally, celebrate,
and thank the court for taking the time to do what some members in Congress
and the President would not do: apply the First Amendment.

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HOW CAN I HELP SPREAD THE WORD

It's crucial that people turn out for the rallies, as well as spread the word
about the decision.  You can help in a number of ways outlined below.

1. ATTEND THE NYC/PITTSBURGH RALLIES
If you are anywhere close to the locations of the Pittsburgh or New York
City rallies, please attend and brings lots of friends!

If you are an Internet provider in New York, please place the following
message in your message of the day:

        THE COURT ISSUED A RULING TODAY IN THE INTERNET FREE SPEECH CASE
        ON THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT.  A RALLY IS BEING HELD IN
        NYC AT OUTERNET (BWAY.NET) @ 626 BROADWAY AT 6:30PM.  FOR MORE
        INFORMATION SEE http://www.vtw.org/speech/ OR CALL OUTERNET AT
        212-982-9800.

If you are an Internet provider in the Pittsburgh area, please place the
following message in your message of the day:

        THE COURT ISSUED A RULING TODAY IN THE INTERNET FREE SPEECH CASE
        ON THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT.  A RALLY IS BEING HELD ON
        THE STEPS OF THE OAKLAND BRANCH OF THE CARNEGIE LIBRARY AT 4PM.
        FOR MORE INFORMATION SEE http://www.envirolink.org/ OR CALL
        412-683-6400.

2. LINK TO THE TEXT OF THE COURT'S DECISION
The text of the decision will be posted at http://www.vtw.org/speech#decision
Link to it from your page and help spread the word about th case that
will decide so much of the future of free speech online.

        THE COURT ISSUED A RULING TODAY IN THE INTERNET FREE SPEECH CASE
        ON THE COMMUNICATIONS DECENCY ACT.  WHILE NETIZENS RALLY IN NEW
        YORK AND PITTSBURGH, YOU CAN READ THE DECISION ONLINE AT
        http://www.vtw.org/speech/index.html#decision

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RALLY INFORMATION FOR NYC AND PITTSBURGH

NEW YORK RALLY
WHERE:    Outernet, Inc. (bway.net) @ 626 Broadway, Suite 3-A (third floor)
          (Very close to the Broadway/Lafayette stop on the F train)
WHO:      You and your friends!  Show up, bring friends, and come find
          out how net free speech fared in court.  Here is the current
          speaker list (subject to time, travel, and availability)
                U.S. Representative Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
                Barry Steinhardt, American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)
                Danny Weitzner, Center for Democracy and Technology (CDT)
                David Sobel, Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC)
                Molly Ker, Echo Communications (echonyc.com)
                Jonathan D. Wallace, author, "Sex, Laws, and Cyberspace"
                Alexis Rosen, Public Access Networks (panix.com)
                Ian Stevelman, Outernet (bway.net)

WHEN:     6:30pm, Wed June 12th, 1996.  Bring yourself, lots of friends,
          and whistles, drums, anything to make a lot of noise with.
MORE INFO:Check http://www.vtw.org/speech or http://www.bway.net/
          Press inquiries should go to Shabbir @ 917 978 8430.  Outernet's
          phone number is 212-982-9800.

PITTSBURGH RALLY
WHERE:    Steps of the Oakland branch of the Carnegie Library
WHO:      You and your friends!  Show up, bring friends, and come find
          out how net free speech fared in court.
WHEN:     4pm, Wed June 12th, 1996.  Bring yourself, lots of friends,
          and whistles, drums, anything to make a lot of noise with.
MORE INFO:Check http://www.envirolink.org/.  Press inquiries should go
          to 412-683-6400.

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PRESS INFORMATION

Press inquiries about the New York rally should be directed to Shabbir
J.  Safdar (VTW) at 718-596-2851.  To find out about outlets and
electricity for the rally, or to setup cameras ahead of time, contact
Ian @ Outernet at 212-982-9800.

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Now THAT'S the BEST news I've heard in a LONG time!!!

God how I love it when this country does something right.
Now if we could gag those guys at Hard Copy... or am being inconsistent?
;)
 -Roy

>> Troy Sheets writes:
>> The Communication Decency Act was ruled Unconstitutional today and an
>> injunction against its enforcement was issued.
>> etc.

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Well I was treated to a wonderful supprise when I arrived at work today.
Last night some joker stole my cd/cassette player from my office.  It even
had a computer lock-down device on it.  My music is the one shred of sanity
I have at work right now, this being our craziest time of the year.  I'm
pretty much over the loss of the radio as material reality, but now I have
no sound.....and that's going to take a little longer. :(

Rick



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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Troy Sheets,tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net,Internet writes:
The American Civil Liberties Union filed the suit against the Justice
Department the same day the measure became law. The suit was combined with a
separate action undertaken by major online services and software giant
Microsoft Corp.


WOW!  I guess that image I transferred with Mr Gates and thoses sheep I
posted on AOL got around!!!


"dance with me "

Adam
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Subject: Visiting for the weekend -- what to do?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:06:39 -0600
From: Andy Hawks <andy@cmac20.colorado.edu>
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Hey Sanfrandisco heads --

I'm from Colorado and visiting the Bay Area for the weekend, my first 
time out to SF.  =)  

What party would you recommend this weekend?  I was thinking of Second 
Chakra, to see Jeno, Carlos, and Donald Glaude...I'd like to hit a party 
that's full of SF House and that special vibe -- something representative 
of SF parties....I've seen all those guys in the last two months here in 
Colorado, but was thinking it'd be cool to check 'em all at once...What 
are Nexus parties like? 

What about clubs? I'd love to just check out the Sound Factory, but I'd 
like to see Westbam and Jeno at Nikita, which I don't know anything 
about...How is getting into Sound Factory?  is it all guest list?  is 
there a dress code?  sam with Nikita....how is it? what type of 
crowd/atmosphere?

o Stores -- who has the biggest selection of dj tapes? 

any other suggestions for must-visit places/clubs/parties?  I've got job 
interviews on Thursday and Friday and Saturday afternoons and have to 
leave Sunday morning, so, I don't have a *lot* of freetime, so I want to 
sandwhich everything in.....mmmm, tasty sandwich...=) 

Thanks for any guidance...=)

peace and lur....




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  Austin wrote:

> Met a few sfravers -hi yall- and my dear Sarvi, This whole time you been
> readin my mail(maybe you haven't) and I've been talkin to you at parties
> and you didn't know I was on this list.  Well hello agian...

oh my gosh! *blushes* i seriously had no idea that you were the austin
that posts on here. it was a very pleasant surprise honey. man, i've read
all your posts and know that sig very well....go figure!  anyhow, it was
great seein you again qt. hopefully i'll run into again at the next party.
=) i do want to say hello to all the other sfravers i saw out...(adam,
ian, michal....and all the rest). 

as for the party itself (i know my post is comin a bit late...i lag!), i
had a great time. it was such a great vibe party. i do wish, however, that
it was not so hot in there. but alas the music made up for that. doran was
amazing as always. always nice to see him back here. 

 came away thinkin' I wanted some hardcore too.  Is there another MADDNESS
> planned soon or a good hardcore party goin on soon?  I would deffinately go
> to LA and I know of a few good ones comin up tooo.

i hear that! hey austin..keep in posted honey. =) the last party i hit up
in la was funky shit happens. a car full of us sfravers headed out to that
one...and had a great time! 

i'll be travelling this weekend..so lemme know how the parties go. hope
everyone has a great time out.

-sarvi
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This is a follow up to Fraser "Hypeman" Clark's original announcement re:
the mass-attempt to contact Dr. Tim Leary.  Read at your own risk.   ;-)

If anyone is going to Barlow's SF gig tonight for Dr. Tim, I'll be wearing
purple T-shirt with a black vest and khaki pants.  See ya there!

peace
john


>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 02:05:14 +0100
>From: Fraser Clark <fraserclark@easynet.co.uk>
>Subject: WHY NOT? YEAH!
>
>PRESS RELEASE
>
>SATURDAY JUNE 22nd, 12AM TO 6AM.   Parliament Hill, Hampstead Heath,
>>London.And Cyberspace.
>The WHY NOT? YEAH! Memorial Picnic & Pseancexperiment
>[The last recorded words of Dr Timothy Leary, who died on May 31st, 1996,
>were "Why not?  Yeah!"]
>
>Hundreds of members of the conterculture with their wives, mates, children
>and pets are expected to gather at this Parallel YOUniversity organised
>event to
>A) celebrate/grieve and share their memories together of Timothy Leary
>B) help Tim to navigate the realms beyond death
>C) with thousands more via the internet to participate in the greatest
>psychic experiment ever to communicate beyond death!
>
>A)  CELEBRATION.  The afternoon will include debates on the prophet's life
>and work hosted by Good Jeff of Parallel YOUniversity, plus talks by Brian
>Barritt & Fraser Clark, "Britain's Tim Leary", an address by Mark Heley on
>"The Intelligent Use of Drugs," and an appeal to canonise Tim as Saint
>Timothy.  There will also be acoustic music, including bagpipe playing
>(which, to some, sounds like the wailing of dead souls)
>
>B)  NAVIGATING DEATH.  Tim's soul will be helped in its astral tripping by
>Tibetan chanting traditionally designed to help steer the soul through the
>realms beyond death, mantra meditations by Buddhafield (led by Lokhababandu
>of The Western Buddhist Order), and readings from Tim's first book The
>Psychedelic Experience, a "trippers version" of The Tibetan Book of the Dea=
d.
>Attendees are being invited to bring their own favourite Leary reading and
>to wear something psychedelic.  Three white kites will be flown from this
>favourite kite-flying hilltop, "the highest natural view of London", bearin=
g
>the letters "L", "S" and "D".
>
>C) The PSEANCEXPERIMENT is designed as a mass psychic attempt to allow Tim
>to make contact from beyond death by revealing to participants the followin=
g
>week's UK's National Lottery numbers, the winnings of approximately =A33
>million to be used to complete the work of digitalising his brain and makin=
g
>it available on the internet, and to set up a WHY NOT FOUNDATION which will
>grant pensions to "living planetary citizens" to continue their work/play e=
tc.
>If successful, Tim will "reveal" the six numbers between the hours of 12
>noon and 12 midnight, all of which will then be run through a statistical
>program to reveal the hopefully winning number(s).  Everyone everywhere, an=
d
>especially on the internet, has been invited to participate.  "Revealed
>answers" should be e-mailed or phoned in to the numbers below before
>midnight on the 22nd.  Participants should only include numbers they have a
>feeling of inner certainty about, and may send less, but not more than 6
>numbers.
>Various psychics, in the UK and abroad, are also participating and their
>answers will be specially weighted.
>Of course, since we know as little about the after-life as we did about
>other psychedelic experiences before Tim's work/play, it may be that Tim
>cannot predict the future.  In which case the guaranteed most truly random
>lottery on earth should be the easiest to influence psychically on the day.
>Countercultural particpants are very aware indeed that, should the
>experiment succeed, they could go on to win every week and so become the
>most powerful force for good in human history.  Cooperation indeed!
>Fraser Clark, founder of Megatripolis and "Head Master" of Parallel
>YOUniversity, has said of the event's chances of success:  "I wouldn't bet
>on it.  But we have to give it a try since such an experimental window of
>opportunity is unlikely to repeat in our present lifetimes.".
>
>Further Info and Answers to: +44-(0)171-813-9685 & 625-7165 and
>fraser@idiot.demon.co.uk
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>Fraser Clark [Encyclopaedia Psychedelica International, evolution^,
>Parallel YOUniversity, Megatripolis, Zippy hq, World Peace Builders]
>
>Tel :-  +44-(0)171 625 7165 (infoline)
>E-mail :-  fraserclark@mail.easynet.co.uk
>WWW :-  http://www.algroup.co.uk/wpb/fraser
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 12 10:22:27 1996
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Hola people!
I'm a recent arrival to the Bay Area and I'm searching for cool
and creative roommates who also happen to dig house & techno music (or is 
that techno house?).  I'd rather live with people who share the same 
aesthetic and aural sensibilities as myself.   It seems that I've relocated at 
a time when occupancy rates in the city are high so if there are any 
persons out there who happen to know of a room to rent or are currently 
seeking a housemate, I'd appreciate any information.  About myself: I'm 28 
and have a BA degree (Barely Adequate) in Eng. Lit. I enjoy the arts and 
thoroughly love dance music more than mere words could express. I'm 
pretty mimimal right now: clothing, computer, car, turntable and records 
are all I schelepped out here from the East Coast, so I just need a decent 
sized room somewhere..
I brought one SL1200, so a household with another would be optimal. 
Otherwise Mr. Visa and I will procur another! I'm looking for housemates 
who like to rage and have fun, but who also are also intelligent, considerate 
and fairly responsible. I'm searching for work right now, but I came out 
here w/ enough funds to get started so I am able to pay rent immediately if 
that's a concern.
You can either email me back or call me at (408) 243-9140. 

Anyway, I've been having a swell time dancing away and checking out the
scene...mad props to those behind Tribal Future, Devine Rhythm Society,
and Down to Earth for some rambunctious fun and solid grooves!!!!!

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Hello out there...

If anyone has or knows of a room that I can rent please let me know. I have a 
steady job and I am looking in the San Jose area or anything around that. I am 
23 and I am looking for someone that is responsible but yet likes to party and
have a good time. I'm into House and Techno and other stuff. If you know of
anything please let me know.I need something kinda soon.
I have been out of the scene for awhile and I want to get back in, please help.

Thanx
nikki 

You can email at: nicole.glover@ebay.sun.com

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Hello, someone posted awhile back about a soap that washes the Poison Oak
Oil off you skin.  Well, we are Still breaking out from Tribal Future!!!
What was that soap called??!!

-troy

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Is this Basco which I think is done by dj Dan?  (Please correct me if I'm 
wrong.)  Basco is an awesome track.  I fell in love with it the first time 
I heard it because of the guitar samples.  The second time I heard it was 
at Harmony's BP.  If someone knows where to find this track, let me know, 
I'd be most grateful!!

-kaySEE

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:

> Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where 
> to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes 
> me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound 
> like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder, 
> two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!  
> It makes me freak!
> 
> If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have 
> it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
> 
> S
> 
> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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CDA VICTORY PARTY!

CELEBRATE THE VICTORY OVER INTERNET CENSORSHIP!

SAMBA OVER TO SOUTH PARK (between 2nd & 3rd Bryant & Brannan)  - 5PM

LIVE MUSIC * FREE BEER * NAUGHTY WORDS



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On Friday June 21st Gateway Systems happily gives you Light - a Summer
Solstice celebration.  This event will be within the sf bay area, 2pm-9pm.
 The line-up includes Galen, Jon Williams, John Carel, Monty, and Andre
Lucero. There will be an opening Ambient Meditation with Consciousness Lab.
 There will be volleyball, and games. Please bring any creative exchange,
food, flowers, drums, digeridoos, smiles and friends.
For more info please call 415.536.9453.  

                                             Feel It - Love!
                                          -Gateway Systems




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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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...Some turntables for purchase.

I have a good friend who wishes to start up a DJ carrier and she seeks some
good, used 1200's @ a price range at about $250-350 ea. If you are, or have
anyone that's looking to sell please drop me a line.... 
Hey, we could always use some more techno female DJ's, eh?


Thanks!



"dance with me..."


Adam
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MONOLITH

Saturday June 15th

The lineup is (in order):
 Solar
 Mystr-E
 MARS
 Henrik
 Andre Lucero

Brought to you by:
 Next School
 the creators of Progress
 MARS of Frequency-8

voice mail info lines # 415-974-4391 & 415-541-5019

limited tix are available at Frequency-8 on Haight for $10-



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 12 13:09:55 1996
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 14:13:17 -0600
From: Andy Hawks <andy@cmac20.colorado.edu>
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Once again I'm taken aback by the flood of responses I get when I email 
you guys!

Thanks for all the replies about what to do this weekend in the bay....

I'm gonna try and hit Second Chakra, I think.....

So anyway, if anyone wants to meet a mtn-raver from Boulder and Denver, 
look for me...<grin> I look like everyone else, but, I'm white, 5'10" or 
so, short dyed blonde hair with brown sideburns and a brown goatee, i 
have a septum ring, tongue ring i play with too much, three ear 
piercings....i'll probably be wearing a white t-shirt, my silver ball 
chain necklace, jeans, and white tennis shoes, maybe a brown "old guy" 
hat (i forget what you call 'em =), and sometimes I wear glasses (if it's 
not too dark =)....i'll try and remember to wear my mtn-raves badge, too, 
if i can find it -- check out what they look like at 
http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/mtn/....(man, i've never committed myself 
to a specific outfit 3 days in advance....eek!)

I look forward to meeting a bunch of sf-ravers, and i'd really like to 
meet people involved with hyperreal, people i know from my old 
FutureCulture email list, or the Leri list, all the net.rave old skool 
(heheheh), anyone at URB (I've been writing the Denver scene reports, 
lately).....

hope everyone's having a good day...
take care...






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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 12 13:14:31 1996
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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:14:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mr. SparklE" <kzimmerman@wesleyan.edu>
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hi all..

my name is Mr. SparklE (some of you may know my bro Doug who lives out
in SF) and i am coming out to SanFran fro July and August. point being, i
am looking for a sublet or whatever for those months. so if you need a
summertime roommate, or know of a place to sublet, or can just plain guive
me advice (ALLL advice appreciated) then please send send send it to me.

i should be heading out in the middle of next week sometime...

tia + peace&loveism, Mr. SparklE



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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 12 13:45:10 1996
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Subject: Re: Wow...WOWWWWWWW.....
To: scarab@value.net (KaySEE)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
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Sounds like that old DJ Dan/Ron D. Core popularized track:

Wow wow wigidy wigidy 
wow wow wigidy wididy
wow wow wigidy wigidy

Put it in!
put it in!
put it in!
put it in!

dil da dil da dil dil dil dildo 
dil da dil da dil dil dil dildo
dil da dil da dil dil dil dildo

Put it in!
put it in!
put it in!
put it in!

(repeat)


The name of the track?  "Dildo", of course!
A clasic. (beleive it or not!)

-troy


> 
> 
> Is this Basco which I think is done by dj Dan?  (Please correct me if I'm 
> wrong.)  Basco is an awesome track.  I fell in love with it the first time 
> I heard it because of the guitar samples.  The second time I heard it was 
> at Harmony's BP.  If someone knows where to find this track, let me know, 
> I'd be most grateful!!
> 
> -kaySEE
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:
> 
> > Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where 
> > to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes 
> > me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound 
> > like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder, 
> > two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!  
> > It makes me freak!
> > 
> > If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have 
> > it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
> > 
> > S
> > 
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> 
>               ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****
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>Hello, someone posted awhile back about a soap that washes the Poison 
>Oak
>Oil off you skin.  Well, we are Still breaking out from Tribal Future!!!
>What was that soap called??!!

the name of it was Tecnu, according to tony@xinet.com.


b e n   c h u n

ben_chun@community.net
http://community.net/~ben_chun/


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	It looks like the video portion of the memorial the the Unitarian 
tonight could use more footage of Tim's antics.  If you have any VHS or SVHS 
tapes, or other formats with your own player, it would be appreciated if you'd 
bring them along.

	Just go to the video booth and ask for Craig Larson.

Andrew
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, b e n c h u n wrote:

> >Hello, someone posted awhile back about a soap that washes the Poison 
> >Oak
> >Oil off you skin.  Well, we are Still breaking out from Tribal Future!!!
> >What was that soap called??!!
> 
> the name of it was Tecnu, according to tony@xinet.com.

In an emergency, you can also try lemon juice--just squeeze a lemon (or 
lemons) over the affected area, then leave it be. It worked for me.

Kathryn

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Yeahhhhh,  I'm down for some hardcore.

My weekend in LA was fantastic and I've been dieing to go back....

Suggestions...
This saturday (yeah its a little close to plan something here but..) in the
deserts of LA (ooohhh noooo not another orgy of kids having fun!!!!)--  I
been told this is gonna be a really good hardcore LA party..

Oasia (Desert) - A Desert Party.  DJs Marusha (Germany), Goa
     Gil (SF), Christopher Lawrence, DJ Lee, Daniel, Thomas Michael,
     DJ Trance, Sparky.

What about a road trip to Organic '96 (San Bernardino Mountains) They have
4 sound systems. One of them is stricktly dedicated to hardcore.  Check the
Socal-raves calendar for details..

Also the 3yr anniversery of Love (one of the parties I went to in LA on my
weekend trip- Comparable to The Gathering parties) is July 13.  3 rooms,
213.917.3215, 714.218.5662

And..
Hardcore Kids Productions (HKP) is doing a party on July 20th which I am
already planning to drive down for this one and to see some friends in
Newport.

 Christopher Lawerence, Thomas Micheal, Brad, Obscure (anyone hear him at
Strawberry sundays last Sunday), Fester, Xavier, and Mojo (the mixed tape
is sic!!!) 213.920.7902

I would be happy to provide transport for some (providing I can get out of
work the weekend of the trip).  Let's get something going....
Get back to all yall later...gotta work.




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> 
> Hello, someone posted awhile back about a soap that washes the Poison Oak
> Oil off you skin.  Well, we are Still breaking out from Tribal Future!!!
> What was that soap called??!!

	If you're still getting new rashes its possible you're getting it off 
clothes or other items which have oil on them.  They should be washed with soap.
PO oil stays active for many months (except on skin, where its absorbed within a 
day -- the rashes are usually not infectious).

	"Leaflets three, let it be".

Andrew
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                      Subject:                              Time:  15:06
  OFFICE MEMO         Dance Del*Sol                         Date:  6/12/96


Hey gang,

     For all you Southbay folks, there is going to be a FREE party in Hellyer Park in San Jose.  Sunday, June 16th is the date and it will run from Noon til Dusk.  The Djs will be:  Rick Preston, Harry Who?, Ryan Tapia, Tamotsu, Joseph, Mark Johns, Marc Chavez, and Sean.  Come on out and enjoy the sun and some good music.  Bring some happy vibes and a friend and let's get San Jose rockin'!!! 


Hellyer Park San Jose
Yerba Buena Site
408*236 *3732 for directions
It would be best to car pool because the park charges a few bucks for parking :(


PeaceÉ            Tamotsu


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Sitting around with the rest of the Davis based djs having our last mixing 
session (some of us are graduating), we came up with an idea for a way 
for all of us to still get together and spin records, even though we will 
end up scattered across the state. The idea (d)evolved into the:

GREAT CHAIN MIXTAPE SCHEME

1. Record your favorite song onto a high quality 90 min cassette.
2. Write the song title, your name and address of the J-card.
3. Send the tape to 5 djs you know with the instructions:
	"Join the mix tape chain! Play this tape into one of the inputs 
	 your mixer. Copy it onto a second tape of similar quality,
	 mixing in one of your favorite song at the end of the recorded set.
  	 Make 5 copies, adding your name, address, and song title to the
         J-card. If you have filled up the mix tape, send the 5 copies to 
         anyone on the J-card. If there is still room on the tape, send 
         the copies(with these instructions) to 5 djs you know. In 6-8 weeks 
	 you should recieve several thousand mixtapes!"
4. Wait for the mailman. Make sure you have extra batteries for your walkman.

If you are really twisted once you recieve all your tapes get as many 
tape decks and boomboxes as you can and start up all the tapes 
simultaneously. They will all start with your song and then slowly 
shatter into thousand of indivual layers of beatmatched techno confusion.

(Yes, I know that after 25 copies the first couple of songs are going to 
sound pretty crummy. Just think of it as a distorted build.)

I'm not seriously suggesting this but it still would be really neat if it 
worked.

marc


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> The Communication Decency Act was ruled Unconstitutional today and an
> injunction against its enforcement was issued.

	We won a battle, but the fight isn't over yet...  here are some details.=
 =

Also there is a bill being introduced in Legislature to rescind the CDA i=
tself. =

No reason not to celebrate though...

Andrew
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PHILADELPHIA (Reuter) - In a ground-breaking decision on free-speech righ=
ts over =

the Internet, a special U.S. court panel blocked as unconstitutional a ne=
w =

federal law prohibiting indecency on computer networks. =


The three-judge panel issued Wednesday a preliminary injunction barring =

enforcement of portions of the Communications Decency Act (CDA), signed b=
y =

President Clinton Feb. 8, which prohibit the distribution to minors of in=
decent =

or ``patently offensive'' materials over computer networks. =


Violators would be subject to fines and prison terms of up to two years. =


The court let stand prohibitions against obscenity and child pornography =
-- =

speech that is not constitutionally protected. Those provisions had not b=
een =

challenged. =


[...]

The ruling sets the stage either for a trial on whether the act should be=
 =

permanently blocked, or a direct appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court under =

expedited appeals provisions. =


The Justice Department said it was reviewing the decision and would consi=
der an =

appeal. ``We believe the statute can be applied in a constitutional manne=
r,'' =

department spokesman Carl Sternsaid. =


The department would wait for a Supreme Court decision, expected in the n=
ext two =

weeks, involving a 1992 law on indecency over certain cable television st=
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Stern said. =


It may also await a federal court ruling in New York on a similar free-sp=
eech =

challenge to the four-month-old communications law, he said. =


Copyright =A9 1996 Reuters Limited
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To all those who went to Tribal Future:

You might want to make sure to wash all your clothes, shoes, and
any other article of clothing that you brought with you as they can
still have the dust/oil from the poison oak plants on and in them. I
learned this after I accidently used a roommates towel to dry off 
after taking a shower and got a mild breakout of poison oak even 
though I DID NOT go with him to the beach where he picked it up!!

>From all the excellent reviews I've heard of Tribal Future, I bet the
poison oak was worth it!! I can't wait to go to my first TF and get
a case of poison oak too!

Peace and Love,
John

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> 
> 
> > 
> > Hello, someone posted awhile back about a soap that washes the Poison Oak
> > Oil off you skin.  Well, we are Still breaking out from Tribal Future!!!
> > What was that soap called??!!
> 
> 	If you're still getting new rashes its possible you're getting it off 
> clothes or other items which have oil on them.  They should be washed with soap.
> PO oil stays active for many months (except on skin, where its absorbed within a 
> day -- the rashes are usually not infectious).
> 

I think "Some other item" is my girlfriend!!! 

I'll take your advice above ;)

-troy

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Someone gave this to me about a year ago on a cd of bootleg software. It
came as an application. As it said "Open Me", stupidly I double clicked on
it. It fucked up my entire harddrive. Stay away from this app!!!!

Jon



At 10:40 AM 6/10/96 -0700, Larry Ching wrote:
> [ to sfraves list ]
>
> Hi folks -
>
> Well, I hope I'm not premature about this, but the Computer Help guy
>at my workplace just forwarded this alert about a new Macintosh virus
>to all the folks in our program. Since he's a very knowledgeable
>Macintosh guru, this may be for real ...
>
> Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com
>=========== Attached message follows ==============
>
>Received the following message from  Computer Security:
>
>"Just got word of a new virus called "Open Me."  It looks to be
>a Macintosh control Panel virus.  It hit one of the facilities in
>Denver in a big way.  At this point we don't know where it came from or
>how it spreads but it will destroy a hard disk.  So if you bring up your
>Mac and see the message Open Me don't do it."
>
>
>Received from Dave Ferreira our local expert:
>
>"This is not a hoax.  It appears to be a control panel type of virus
>that can not be detected using SAM or Norton Anti-virus.  The virus/control
>panel wipes out the B-tree or B-catalog or whatever (basically wipes out
>the location of every file on the hard disk)."
>
>Hopefully we won't see this virus here but just in case, be on the look
>out........................Mark
>
>========== End of Attached Message ==============

Jon Zimmerman
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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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Good day all,

My name is ---Jason--- and I have been going to parties for almost two
years now.

Syntonic was my first party (thank you BIOJEFF), and it came at a crucial
time in my life.

And to think how much I harped on him when he sold his drums to buy a
coupla 1200's.

The people I encountered there, and have met since, have helped restore my
faith in humankind.

You are truely special  in this world of indifference, apathy and bottom
lines.

Whether you realized it or not, in that moment, your positive energy was
infectious to all around you. 

You have changed people with as little as a smile, or by as much as giving
a ride to a tired and injured raver in the Black Rock Desert.              
                                                          (thanks to the
lovely young woman in the Ford Explorer at the radio station that morning!)

So the next time a jaded raver thinks to himself,  "this" is just another
party, think of those around you, "new", who might be influenced by their
strange and wonderful surroundings.

To them, this may seem a bastion of hope. PROOF! That there is good in the
GROOVE of life.

To all of you I have met in the scene:     YOU are special!

And to everyone I haven't had the pleasure of meeting:    I hope to greet
you all in person                                                          
                             some day. You are a very unique
                                                                           
      and caring people.
                                                                           
      
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                            Take Care,
                                                                           
                  Jason
  

P.S. This concludes our test of the emergency introduction system. If this
had been an actual
       introduction you would have been able to see what the hell I look
like and give a hug.

                                                                           
        

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:11:48 -0400
From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: NRR: Poison Oak answer
Cc: sfraves <sfraves@hyperreal.com>,
        Troy Sheets <tsheets@xanadu.cyborganic.net>
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Troy and some others have expressed an interest in a product to remove the
oil left behind after contact with poison oak or ivy.
I can definately vouch for the soap:      TECNU ....Oak & Ivy
It works wonders. 


I'll take TF with poison oak over no TF,  anyday.

Thanks to all the beautiful people who made TF such a memorable and special
experience!


                                                                           
  Take Care,
                                                                           
                  Jason
 

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Hi all!!

I'm attending SFSU this fall and I was wondering if any past or current
students had sugestions as to what classes I should take, interesting
teachers, classes, etc.  Registration starts next week so I was just
wondering.  I am planning on taking only general education classes.  No major
have I yet decided on.  In fact I will probably transfer to the Fashion
Institute of Design and Merchandising next year, so my stay at SFSU will be
short.   Thank you.

         Live,

            Love,
             
             Megan             Czefir

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From: "Daniel J. MacMillan" <djm@crl.com>
To: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>
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Subject: Re: Wow...WOWWWWWWW.....
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 If the song you guys are talking about has a sample that says 'get 
insane to the bass', then it is Basco (or perhaps Bosco).This was played 
at BP for sure ... It is somewhat of a speaker-tweaker's anthem in LA ...
We hear it there all the time, and everyone loves it.

Dan

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, KaySEE wrote:

> 
> Is this Basco which I think is done by dj Dan?  (Please correct me if I'm 
> wrong.)  Basco is an awesome track.  I fell in love with it the first time 
> I heard it because of the guitar samples.  The second time I heard it was 
> at Harmony's BP.  If someone knows where to find this track, let me know, 
> I'd be most grateful!!
> 
> -kaySEE
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:
> 
> > Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where 
> > to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes 
> > me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound 
> > like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder, 
> > two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!  
> > It makes me freak!
> > 
> > If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have 
> > it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
> > 
> > S
> > 
> > 
> 
>               ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****
> 
> 

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        Reply to:   RE>>Wow...WOWWWWWWW.....

I am not sure if Basco is the record that is described below, but it kinda sounds like it.  DJ Dan did not make the Basco record, he just spins it.  The artist is actually Basco, and the song is called The Music Is Over (I'm pretty sure thats the name of the song - I have it at home, but I'm at work).  Any DJ vinyl store (Primal in Berkeley, Soundworks in SF, Solid Grooves in San Jose will know EXACTLY which record you are talking about - it has been out for a while now, and it has become really popular (rather overplayed, actually).
But anyhow, happy searching/listening!
-Jason
--------------------------------------
Date: 6/12/96 12:36 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: KaySEE

Is this Basco which I think is done by dj Dan?  (Please correct me if I'm 
wrong.)  Basco is an awesome track.  I fell in love with it the first time 
I heard it because of the guitar samples.  The second time I heard it was 
at Harmony's BP.  If someone knows where to find this track, let me know, 
I'd be most grateful!!

-kaySEE

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:

> Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where 
> to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes 
> me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound 
> like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder, 
> two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!  
> It makes me freak!
> 
> If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have 
> it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
> 
> S
> 
> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 12 18:35:02 1996
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ajtoy, ajtoy@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>a governing board would be elected by vote (each owner would have an 
>equal say).  the $ would be held by a member of the board and deposited 
>into the common bank account set up for the "site" expenses.

..We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take it in turns to act as a 
sort of executive officer of the week, but all the decision of that 
officer have to be ratified, at a special bi-weekly meeting, by a simple 
majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds 
majority....

anarch@scruznet.com

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Subject: Re: Wow...WOWWWWWWW.....
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Daniel J. MacMillan wrote:

>  sample that says 'get insane to the bass'

	...thats "everything is going to the beat" by basco	
			its by far my favorite track, altho many so-so djs
			 	are wrecking it (ie. carlos at plastik 
				     slaughtered it)

> >   If someone knows where to find this track, let me know, 
> > I'd be most grateful!!
> > 
> > -kaySEE
			...its only on vinyl (basco has a single, thats what
				ive seen/heard/have) and its on a couple mix
					tapes(see below)

> > 
> > On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have 
> > > it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
> > > 

	..."gario" from texas has a intense breakbeat tape, and suposedly
	    jeno i believe has the song a new tape of his


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 12 20:45:52 1996
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Hello.  This is my first time posting...but desperate needs call for 
desperate measures.  My friend and I really really really want to go to 
Orion in Sacramento on Friday, but neither of us have a car....we usually 
rely on public transportation, but as far as I know that won't cut it for 
this party...anyways, if anyone has room for two people (we're very tiny, 
especially me) in their car, we'll pay for your ticket, gas and tolls (of 
course), and whatever.  We're good company, and we can meet anywhere in the 
bay area that's bart accessible.   

So if anyone is willing and able to do this, if it's possible could you 
let me know sooner rather than later so I can buy the cheaper advance 
tickets? (They go up $5.00 at the door...).  My email address is:

shifty@sfsu.edu   or bridges@soft.com (my work account)

and my phone number is (415) 661-6422

I'd be grateful to anyone who could do this!  Thanks,

Nova.  (Sorry if this is kinda long...) 
 

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so. my old trusted baggy's have finally reached teh unwearable point
(and quite a journey its been)
where is a good place to geta  phat pair of jeans. 
i mean. i dont want to see my shoes when im standing still.

take care

KcRoy

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Could anybody send me the scoop/info on Pack a Bowl? 

How is it? How's the parking? 

No age limit right?

Gotta know b4 tomorrow!


Thanks!

Adam
    R.Lunatic


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KaySEE <scarab@value.net> wrote:
>Is this Basco which I think is done by dj Dan?  (Please correct me if I'm
>wrong.)  Basco is an awesome track.

The Basco track (Basco is the artist, "The Beat is Over" I think is the
track name) is definitely awesome, but I'm not sure it's the track
described...the guitar riff is more complicated, I think (though describing
guitar riffs in ASCII is certainly not easy).  As far as wanting to move
the body harder than it's capable of, tho, it fits the bill pretty well.

anarch@scruznet.com



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>>On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:

>>If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have
>>it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!

Then mm replied:

>        ..."gario" from texas has a intense breakbeat tape, and suposedly
>            jeno i believe has the song a new tape of his

It's Gary-O, actually (garyo@mail.airmail.net) and we like him a lot here
in Austin as well.  =)

Hugz,
-Chet

----
he*don*ism: n. 1. The doctrine that pleasure is the only goal
               of moral endeavor. 2. The pursuit of pleasure.



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testing daaaaa


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To: Anarch <anarch@scruznet.com>
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Anarch wrote:

> ajtoy, ajtoy@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >a governing board would be elected by vote (each owner would have an 
> >equal say).  the $ would be held by a member of the board and deposited 
> >into the common bank account set up for the "site" expenses.
> 
> ..We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take it in turns to act as a 
> sort of executive officer of the week, but all the decision of that 
> officer have to be ratified, at a special bi-weekly meeting, by a simple 
> majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds 
> majority....

This is meant half in jest and half seriously:

Some of you are worse than the government.(perhaps the above was meant 
sarcastically...)

As I said before this issue needs to be handled right, but jeez, we are 
going to have ourselves so mired done in beauracratic procedures and 
by-laws that we are going to need permission from some sub-committee to 
go to the bathroom.  

Hey, this is America, do what everyone else does, buy your votes. $100, 
one vote, simple majority. A couple of people elected and willing to deal 
with some of the day to day affairs, conduct meetings and there you go.

If we did all get together and do this, and it went off *once*, and then 
fell apart for whatever reasons, I would still consider it money well 
spent. 


                                             Black Adder


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blkadder@value.net wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Anarch wrote:
> 
> > ajtoy, ajtoy@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > >a governing board would be elected by vote (each owner would have an
> > >equal say).  the $ would be held by a member of the board and deposited
> > >into the common bank account set up for the "site" expenses.
> >
> > ..We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune.  We take it in turns to act as a
> > sort of executive officer of the week, but all the decision of that
> > officer have to be ratified, at a special bi-weekly meeting, by a simple
> > majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds
> > majority....
> 
> This is meant half in jest and half seriously:
> 
> Some of you are worse than the government.(perhaps the above was meant
> sarcastically...)
> 
> As I said before this issue needs to be handled right, but jeez, we are
> going to have ourselves so mired done in beauracratic procedures and
> by-laws that we are going to need permission from some sub-committee to
> go to the bathroom.
> 
> Hey, this is America, do what everyone else does, buy your votes. $100,
> one vote, simple majority. A couple of people elected and willing to deal
> with some of the day to day affairs, conduct meetings and there you go.
> 
> If we did all get together and do this, and it went off *once*, and then
> fell apart for whatever reasons, I would still consider it money well
> spent.
> 
>                                              Black Adder


[snip]

my sentiments... E-xactly.  :)

--atoy

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Heard at the memorial:

One of the things Tim Leary said in his last few 
weeks...


"Electrons will be to the 90's, what molecules were to the 60's"

-Chris


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It would be nearly impossible to put into words all the thoughts that kept
me up most of the night after returning from the Timothy Leary Memorial
Celebration.  By recieving the feelings and impressions from those who
knew and were close to him, I was finally able to fully understand what
his death (really just an extension of his life) meant to me.
 
I'll never know the degree to which the Timithoy Leary personna that *I* 
know matches the actual person who bore the name, but perhaps that
doesn't matter.  When a single life's story can embody the complex issues 
of awareness, truth, illusion, courage, hype, absurdity, love, politics,
mysticism, defiance, discovery... such a life becomes a focal point
for the meaning of Life itself.   I now see that the strength of this
notion (for me) in the example of Timothy Leary is that he was so human,
not a simple icon or one-dimensional symbolic hero.  That makes the 
things he represents all that much more real.
 
As far as entheogens go; Tim demonstrated their value as an adjunct
to living and exploring life to it's limits, stretching those limits in
order to learn what it's all about, and why it's all about.  If that's
not spiritual, then I don't know what is.  "Yeah, Why Not?" has already
become a cliche, but it's a pretty good one: positivity in the face of
question.  Such is the nature of all true journeys.
 
Lee
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hey john-

i lost your e-mail address.  would you mail me privately?  i'd like to
chat with you asap!

thanks!

peace, love, and other fun stuff-

matt l


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  Mulling over Lee's moving post about the Tim Leary memorial, I started 
thinking back over other legends of the 60s that are still with us, but 
in spirit only:
         Janis Joplin...Jimi Hendrix...Bill Graham...
         Jerry Garcia...Tim Leary..... John Lennon....
  When you're in the midst of a movement, it seems as though it and its most 
visible participants will last forever. Then you hear the news: one more 
gone into eternity. Only then do we start to form a true idea of what they 
meant to us, because now that they are gone their life-stories are complete.
  So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the 
Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?



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Arthur Asks:
>   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the 
> Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?

I like to think that the lack of leaders and focal points in 
rave culture means that raving will evolve indefinately, and be
timeless, rather than a movement that runs a specific course, and
then is forced to make way for something else that seems more
relevant for the times.

Lee
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On Jun 13,  9:54am, Arthur Chandler wrote:
> Subject: Re: Timothy Leary Memorial
>
>   Mulling over Lee's moving post about the Tim Leary memorial, I started
> thinking back over other legends of the 60s that are still with us, but
> in spirit only:
>          Janis Joplin...Jimi Hendrix...Bill Graham...
>          Jerry Garcia...Tim Leary..... John Lennon....
>   When you're in the midst of a movement, it seems as though it and its most
> visible participants will last forever. Then you hear the news: one more
> gone into eternity. Only then do we start to form a true idea of what they
> meant to us, because now that they are gone their life-stories are complete.
>   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the
> Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?
>
My guess it's every single one of us. As I see it, an important aspect of
the rave scene is its lack of long term idols and gurus. Everybody is free
to experience this phenomenon on his/her own terms and in his/her own
context ranging from spirituality to just digging the music. At least
that used to be one of the major attractions to me although the past few
years the introduction of commerce into the scene has caused a lot more
uniformity among the people I meet, the music I hear and the parties I
witness than I appreciate.


The Frying Dutchman

P.S. And for all you Funghi Fiends, check out this Dutch URL:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~psee/

Especially the disclaimer is good fun. I'm not too sure how safe it is to
order these "ornaments" from here, though. But still, don't you feel sorry
you live on this side of the ocean? Thinking of Holland.... ;-)

-- 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 10:44:39 1996
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Lee Fogel wrote:
> 
> Arthur Asks:
> >   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the 
> > Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?
> 
> I like to think that the lack of leaders and focal points in 
> rave culture means that raving will evolve indefinately, and be
> timeless, rather than a movement that runs a specific course, and
> then is forced to make way for something else that seems more
> relevant for the times.

	Interesting thought, I'd like that too, but you only need to look
	at the big fuss made around Orbital/Chem Bros/The Orb coming
	in SF soon to understand that this thought isn't valid anymore.

	So I don't believe in this flat scene, sorry. Maybe any movement
	just _need_ a leader, a personnality to identify with... Maybe
	is it just impossible to do without.

	Morning opinions,
Renaud

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Oh my, Scott Hardkiss was at The Lounge (Sacto) last night and played a
tripped out spacey version of Rocket Man by Elton John, you know ("...And I'm
gonna be Hiiiiigheyii... as a kite by then") it was very nice.  Anyway, my
"thinks all, knows all" friend tells me I better enjoy it because I'll never
hear it again.  I guess Scot made that record and is getting sued for it,
worst of all, it never got to the stores.  Can anyone confirm this, I would
give my left arm and my mother to get a copy.
I think it's gonna be a long long time,
Steveo

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 10:45:45 1996
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You're not kidding, the housing situation really sucks right now.  I'm also
looking for a place, it seems there are a few people on the list right now.
 Perhaps we can all keep our eyes out for a larger place, expanding our
options couldn't hurt.  I'm actually looking for a place in Berkely, but I
would certainly consider SF.
Love,
sTeVeO
I'm a designer/student/business owner.  I dont make too much $, but I'm
reliable, fairly neat, considerate, accepting and best of all, I'VE GOT ONE
1200 TOO! 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 11:25:48 1996
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	Hi,

	A DJ friend in France asks me to send him some "typical" american
	Techno... Gloops: I'm not a DJ, and is quite busy without that,
	so the only way for me to fill his request is to ask your help!

	Could some cool people pick 2 or 3 vinyl titles they consider
	Bay Area anthems and send me their titles and where I can find
	them? It would permit me to just jump in the store, ask for 
	them and go to the next...

	Thanks for my friend and the French scene! :)
Renaud

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Just for all your info.  In about one month, I will have my second mix tape
out that with include this song, along with mucho other favorites!  I'll be
sure to let y'all know when I am done with it!


At 04:08 AM 6/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>>On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:
>
>>>If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have
>>>it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
>
>Then mm replied:
>
>>        ..."gario" from texas has a intense breakbeat tape, and suposedly
>>            jeno i believe has the song a new tape of his
>
>It's Gary-O, actually (garyo@mail.airmail.net) and we like him a lot here
>in Austin as well.  =)
>
>Hugz,
>-Chet
>
>----
>he*don*ism: n. 1. The doctrine that pleasure is the only goal
>               of moral endeavor. 2. The pursuit of pleasure.
>
>
>
>

_________________________________________________________________________

Matthew S. Wietzke                        University of California, Davis
_________________________________________________________________________
                                                


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Hi everybody,

I posted earlier that we are having a New Moon celebration this Saturday.
The number you should call for directions is:  415-267-3076.  

Here's what you should bring to the party:  water, food, something for the
altar, good shoes, warm clothes, sunscreen (if you plan to stay the next
day) and, most important of all, a FLASHLIGHT!!!!  The night will be very
dark - no moon, you see- and you will need a flashlight to get around.
Also, there is no camping allowed at the spot so please do not bring
tents.

Please remember to be respectful of the site.  It would be great if
everyone helped out with keeping the spot clean and litter-free.  If you
smoke cigarettes, please take your butts home with you when you leave. We
will need help cleaning up the spot the next day so please plan to help
out with that.  Our goal is to leave the place in pristine condition,
better than we found it.

-Ann

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Hello everyone,

    Well, it is time again to go to the beach!!! We are planning a free 
day party on a friendly beach in Santa Cruz. It will be on Saturday, 
June 29th. We are going to start setting up around noon, (which means, 
don't plan on hearing any music until 1-1:30, since we lag!!!) But, 
never the less, we will be there!!!

Info will be posted on our voice mails- (408)486-9591 & (408)450-3044

    We hope to see all of you there!!! So come on down!!! Bring 
blankets (warm and dry one's), warm and cold clothes, food, water, and 
lots and lots of positivity!!! (grapes) 

    Can't wait... See ya there!!!

Peace, love and harmony to all,

The Crew :) 

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At 10:44 AM -0700 6/13/96, SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:
>Oh my, Scott Hardkiss was at The Lounge (Sacto) last night and played a
>tripped out spacey version of Rocket Man by Elton John, you know ("...And I'm
>gonna be Hiiiiigheyii... as a kite by then") it was very nice.  Anyway, my
>"thinks all, knows all" friend tells me I better enjoy it because I'll never
>hear it again.  I guess Scot made that record and is getting sued for it,
>worst of all, it never got to the stores.  Can anyone confirm this, I would
>give my left arm and my mother to get a copy.
>I think it's gonna be a long long time,
>Steveo

Dunno if it was "Rocket Man" but there was a Hardkiss Elton John remix out
commercially last year and I saw it all over the place. The only recent
Hardkiss lawsuits I've heard of are rumors regarding the Robbie Hardkiss
mix CD.

Joe


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Hey, y'all!  Monolith looks like it's gonna be cool.  Who's planning on
going?  I'd like to, but I'd need someone to pick me up a ticket, and I can
repay before the party.  Thanks!  - E



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On Thu, Jun 13, 1996 1:45:27 PM  at SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: 
 
>You're not kidding, the housing situation really sucks right now.  I'm
also 
>looking for a place, it seems there are a few people on the list right
now. 
> Perhaps we can all keep our eyes out for a larger place, expanding our 
>options couldn't hurt.  I'm actually looking for a place in Berkely, but I

>would certainly consider SF. 
>Love, 
>sTeVeO 
>I'm a designer/student/business owner.  I dont make too much $, but I'm 
>reliable, fairly neat, considerate, accepting and best of all, I'VE GOT
ONE 
>1200 TOO!  
I'm looking for a place starting September... or is that too late for
everybody? 
 
--erik 
 
**IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER** 
These words were NOT written by moonpup 
He's in London until late August 
 
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666

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From: John <dwarzau@ns.net>
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> Dunno if it was "Rocket Man" but there was a Hardkiss Elton John remix out
> commercially last year and I saw it all over the place. The only recent
> Hardkiss lawsuits I've heard of are rumors regarding the Robbie Hardkiss
> mix CD.

What about that white label with the ELO sample on it?

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>>   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the 
>> Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?
>
>I like to think that the lack of leaders and focal points in 
>rave culture means that raving will evolve indefinately, and be
>timeless, rather than a movement that runs a specific course, and
>then is forced to make way for something else that seems more
>relevant for the times.


I'm inclined to agree here, someone in the past on the list did mention that a 
significant difference between the Dead scene & the rave scene is there is not 
any one person/group of people that everyone else "looks to" in the rave scene as 
there was in the dead scene.  When Jerry died, sure seemed like there were a lot 
of dead-heads metaphorically wandering around scratching their heads with blank 
looks in their eyes wondering what they were gonna do next!  A lot of what made 
the dead scene the dead scene seemed to be having the Grateful Dead as the main 
focal point.  What makes the rave scene is every person who's in the rave scene, 
the scene itself is the focal point.  (we're kind of like a big rave amoeba!)  
The only rave equivalent I can think of to Jerry dying is if suddenly all the 
1200's in the world broke down at once! ;)

Love,
Shawna

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At 12:52 PM -0700 6/13/96, John wrote:
>> Dunno if it was "Rocket Man" but there was a Hardkiss Elton John remix out
>> commercially last year and I saw it all over the place. The only recent
>> Hardkiss lawsuits I've heard of are rumors regarding the Robbie Hardkiss
>> mix CD.
>
>What about that white label with the ELO sample on it?

That was a threatened lawsuit I'd bet and that's why it was a white label.
They never cleared the sample and all the official releases of the Phoenix
had someone else playing the same guitar part in place of the sample. The
whole flap certainly made those white labels valuable, though.

Joe




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Check-out any tape from the Universe parties that happened in England 
about three years ago.  Simply blinding techno.  Tapes were on sale at 
Ameba but I don't know if they have any left (probably).

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Marisa Giancarla wrote:

> > > 
> > > How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
> > > suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?
> 
> 	I know the feeling. I really only get into techno when it has a 4/4
> beat and is at least 180bpm, with lots of sampled screams thrown in a big
> plus. Since I moved to the bay area I have pretty much given up on hearing
> this kind of stuff "live", and I am making do importing gabber from germany
> & rotterdam. The LA label Cleopatra (and their sub label Hypnotic) do put out
> a few moderately hardcore compilation albums, "Terrortrance" and "Trance Hardcore"
> being two of my favorites.
> 
> 					Marisa
> 
> 

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There $20 providing you don't go through Bass (which stands for Bay Area 
Super scumbags) in which case they charge $4.50 per order (each order is 
limmitted to four tickets per order) as well as a $2.50 "covienience fee" 
for ordering by credit card.

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote:

> Do you know how much the tickets are for the June 24th show @ the Fillmore?
> 
> -mhg
> 
> 
> _-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-_-=*=-_=*
> *  \  |           |                     \  |                                 *
> * |\/ |  _` |  _` |  _` |  ` \   -_)   |\/ |  -_)  _| _| |  |  _| |  |       *
> *_|  _|\__,_|\__,_|\__,_|_|_|_|\___|  _|  _|\___|_| \__|\_,_|_|  \_, |       *
> *                           mhg@cats.ucsc.edu                    ___/        *
> *              ____           __     ========================================
> *              \===\=========|__|=#  == _===___===========__ =The Recording==
> *   <========^==='======>    _||_    ==| |=/ (_)__==__=__/ /==Media of the===
> *  _/_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_\_^__||||_   ==| |/ / / _ \/ // / /===Gods===========
> * |  TECHNICS 1200               |   ==|___/_/_//_/\_, /_/===================
> * |                              |   =============/___/=======KEEP IT ALIVE!=
> * +---/||\----------------/||\---+   ========================================
> *    ^^^^^^              ^^^^^^                                              *
> *_-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-__-=*=-_-=*=-_=
> 
> 

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>Arthur Asks:
>>   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the 
>> Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?
>
>I like to think that the lack of leaders and focal points in 
>rave culture means that raving will evolve indefinately, and be
>timeless, rather than a movement that runs a specific course, and
>then is forced to make way for something else that seems more
>relevant for the times.
>
>Lee

Perhapse, but maybe this scene will be more like the 60's then we think.
Leary is a hero/icon but how many 20-somethings really know what he did,
not many (no not because of anything like jaded youth :) because he helped
to create the _context_ within which the House Movement or Rave Scene (which
ever you prefer) was born, if Tim had not did what he did, when he did it, I
think it's safe to say there would be no rave scene as we know it, if at all.
Tim did so much of the initial ground breaking on how to safely take
psychedelics
to the point where we can have large numbers of people dose these days with less
incident then a couple dozen people drunk on booze, Tim was arrested 29 times
in his life, Nixon labled him the most dangerous man in America and set his bail
at $5,000,000 (for possession of two roaches).  Most kids don't realize how
afraid the government was(is) of psychedelics. Leary was special, it was not
like
so poor white-trash or street nigga telling people to turn-on, tune-in and
drop-out.  This was a renegade from the "ruling elite", a Harvard Professor,
a PhD someone with credentials (It has been said in Ol' Boston towne, that the
lad's from MIT make the World run but the lad's from Harvard Run the World :)

Leary demonstrated what some quantum physicist know full well, that reality is
at best consensual and at worst relative to the observer.  Leary was a very
threat to the fabric of the society of the time because once people realize
that they can make that chair in front of them turn into a dragon, that maybe
jusdt maybe the stuff they see on TV isn't any more real then that dragon that
the chair has become, after all in both cases it's just one's brain interpreting
the photon's that are hitting one's eyes and then having a dialog about the
effect.  Maybe the Government is lying to us.  Not many people on a mass level
entertained this though before the 60's. Leary showed us that _we_ could program
_our_ own reality and we didn't need the Government/Media to do it for us, this
pissed  _alot_ of people off.  He paid the price.

One person at the service told a story about a young person (6 or 7 ) who, after
hearing all the co-motion about the Death of Tim Leary say" What did this
man do?
Free the slaves or something?

We'll we're not quite free yet, things are a little better, or are they.
My ansestors worked on a plantation, they had no choice, they worked from sun
up to sun down, Mastah in the big house gave them shelter,food, clothing, 
medical care and some hand me downs, you couldn't leave the plantation
unless Mastah sold you. Today not just black folks have to work on the
Plant(ation)
but we'z all free, Mastah don't own us, we don't work for a barrel of sorgum,
masta (I'mean) the Corporation gives us a little piece of paper called a
paycheck
and we have to find our own shelter, food, clothing, medical care on our own
time
We works from sun-up past sun-down but just like the slaves of old we gits
to party at night just so long as we don't make too much noise and wake up
Mastah (er, I'mmean so that we don't create any noise complaints) But we are
free!


Or are we?


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I would love to say that this is an example of the new political 
regime of 
San Francisco but I am afriad to say that it is just a question of 
economics.  SFPD, short in numbers especially on a day like that of a 
free Clinton show, simply do not have the man power to arrest people for 
smoking especially when there could have been an alchohol riot.  Every 
time an individual is arrested at an event such as this it takes two cops 
to do the arresting which takes them off the street and back to station 
leaving the event under-maned.  Owing to a Fedreal law which states there 
must be X number of police to Y number of spectators this would have left 
the event under-maned whith the result that future events like this would 
not be able to be held costing Mayor Willy Brown much needed votes in 
SF's 18-30 community.  Ah the problems of being a democrat!

On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Vince wrote:

> >yup, there definetly are good cops and bad cops. so he tells
> >us that what were doing is illegal, but he didnt want to bust the party,
> >saying he had better things to do
> 
> {snip}
> 
> 
> OK, just a quick cop story. We went to the 11th street block party on Sat
> night to try and see George Clinton get *phunky*, (but we got there late).
> We stuck around for a few hours dancing in the street to some funky old
> disco. Every officer I saw that night was smiling, we dressed up a bit too,
> so they kinda had to smile or even laugh at us. Some were even shakin' it
> up a bit. I saw folks even lighting up right in front of the police. One
> officer motioned to a guy to put it away, others just let it go. It was
> pretty cool to groove with the police all around, without feeling any
> pressure from them, and with the amount of alcohol consummed by many of the
> patrons that night, I'm kinda glad they were there (just in case).
> 
> So is this the product of a new Mayor and DA ??  just a thought.
> 
> Vince
> 
> 
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 13:47:26 1996
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Sorry if you got this twice, but I don't think the last one went.

I have a chance to spin at a house party for a graduation party type thing
in the South Bay on June 22nd from 3-7pm, but I might not be able to spin
and was wondering if anyone out here was interested. Just email me and I'll
give you the info.

Tim (knucklehead)



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Hello all,

A friend and I will be attending the party down by Bear next weekend.
We can each take one more person down and back up if anyone is 
interested.

Ted
menriquez@ssg2.com


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Yes but they could also write you a ticket(notice to appear).

David

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote:

> I would love to say that this is an example of the new political 
> regime of 
> San Francisco but I am afriad to say that it is just a question of 
> economics.  SFPD, short in numbers especially on a day like that of a 
> free Clinton show, simply do not have the man power to arrest people for 
> smoking especially when there could have been an alchohol riot.  Every 
> time an individual is arrested at an event such as this it takes two cops 
> to do the arresting which takes them off the street and back to station 
> leaving the event under-maned.  Owing to a Fedreal law which states there 
> must be X number of police to Y number of spectators this would have left 
> the event under-maned whith the result that future events like this would 
> not be able to be held costing Mayor Willy Brown much needed votes in 
> SF's 18-30 community.  Ah the problems of being a democrat!
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Vince wrote:
> 
> > >yup, there definetly are good cops and bad cops. so he tells
> > >us that what were doing is illegal, but he didnt want to bust the party,
> > >saying he had better things to do
> > 
> > {snip}
> > 
> > 
> > OK, just a quick cop story. We went to the 11th street block party on Sat
> > night to try and see George Clinton get *phunky*, (but we got there late).
> > We stuck around for a few hours dancing in the street to some funky old
> > disco. Every officer I saw that night was smiling, we dressed up a bit too,
> > so they kinda had to smile or even laugh at us. Some were even shakin' it
> > up a bit. I saw folks even lighting up right in front of the police. One
> > officer motioned to a guy to put it away, others just let it go. It was
> > pretty cool to groove with the police all around, without feeling any
> > pressure from them, and with the amount of alcohol consummed by many of the
> > patrons that night, I'm kinda glad they were there (just in case).
> > 
> > So is this the product of a new Mayor and DA ??  just a thought.
> > 
> > Vince
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 14:20:59 1996
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> >What about that white label with the ELO sample on it?
> 
> That was a threatened lawsuit I'd bet and that's why it was a white label.
> They never cleared the sample and all the official releases of the Phoenix
> had someone else playing the same guitar part in place of the sample. The
> whole flap certainly made those white labels valuable, though.

I've got an extra copy if anyone wants to buy one... :)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 14:21:58 1996
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After the fights a week before last is it still going on?  I don't think 
so.  Call b4 hand for info.  It's am Ameba event. 

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Adam Luong wrote:

> Could anybody send me the scoop/info on Pack a Bowl? 
> 
> How is it? How's the parking? 
> 
> No age limit right?
> 
> Gotta know b4 tomorrow!
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Adam
>     R.Lunatic
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 14:32:32 1996
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On Jun 13, 10:37am, Renaud Waldura wrote:
> Subject: Re: Timothy Leary Memorial
> Lee Fogel wrote:
> >
> > Arthur Asks:
> > >   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the
> > > Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?
> >
> > I like to think that the lack of leaders and focal points in
> > rave culture means that raving will evolve indefinately, and be
> > timeless, rather than a movement that runs a specific course, and
> > then is forced to make way for something else that seems more
> > relevant for the times.
>
> 	Interesting thought, I'd like that too, but you only need to look
> 	at the big fuss made around Orbital/Chem Bros/The Orb coming
> 	in SF soon to understand that this thought isn't valid anymore.

I don't think this is the same thing. Does anybody know for instance the
personal names of any of the people in these bands? Their political views,
personal life? In the rave scene people admire DJ's and performers but
things go out of fashion in a few years. Few of the older records are
still played or remembered by the current generation of ravers and
often DJs are expected to play the latest records. None of the above
mentioned bands present us with a new concept or view of the world, they
just make good music. There have been many others like them and there
will me many more (I hope).

>
> 	So I don't believe in this flat scene, sorry. Maybe any movement
> 	just _need_ a leader, a personnality to identify with... Maybe
> 	is it just impossible to do without.

Name one personality in the rave-scene who has a similar influence on
the ravers of today as Timothy Leary had of the people of the 60's/70's.
I can not think of a "leader", only of good artists. Raving is more of
a hedonistic experience to a lot of people than a political, spiritual
thing. I does wonders in our personal lives, our view of the world but
little to the world itself (my opinion). Perhaps that is a more realistic
approach than that of previous generations, start with yourself and the
rest will follow?

The Frying Dutchman

P.s. For DJing friends in Holland I just bought a few mix tapes, many
import record shops in Europe would allow them to buy the records there.
This would allow your friend in France to take his own pick from the
tapes and go after what he likes most?


-- 


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yeah your right.  Good point

On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, David Minuk wrote:

> Yes but they could also write you a ticket(notice to appear).
> 
> David
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote:
> 
> > I would love to say that this is an example of the new political 
> > regime of 
> > San Francisco but I am afriad to say that it is just a question of 
> > economics.  SFPD, short in numbers especially on a day like that of a 
> > free Clinton show, simply do not have the man power to arrest people for 
> > smoking especially when there could have been an alchohol riot.  Every 
> > time an individual is arrested at an event such as this it takes two cops 
> > to do the arresting which takes them off the street and back to station 
> > leaving the event under-maned.  Owing to a Fedreal law which states there 
> > must be X number of police to Y number of spectators this would have left 
> > the event under-maned whith the result that future events like this would 
> > not be able to be held costing Mayor Willy Brown much needed votes in 
> > SF's 18-30 community.  Ah the problems of being a democrat!
> > 
> > On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Vince wrote:
> > 
> > > >yup, there definetly are good cops and bad cops. so he tells
> > > >us that what were doing is illegal, but he didnt want to bust the party,
> > > >saying he had better things to do
> > > 
> > > {snip}
> > > 
> > > 
> > > OK, just a quick cop story. We went to the 11th street block party on Sat
> > > night to try and see George Clinton get *phunky*, (but we got there late).
> > > We stuck around for a few hours dancing in the street to some funky old
> > > disco. Every officer I saw that night was smiling, we dressed up a bit too,
> > > so they kinda had to smile or even laugh at us. Some were even shakin' it
> > > up a bit. I saw folks even lighting up right in front of the police. One
> > > officer motioned to a guy to put it away, others just let it go. It was
> > > pretty cool to groove with the police all around, without feeling any
> > > pressure from them, and with the amount of alcohol consummed by many of the
> > > patrons that night, I'm kinda glad they were there (just in case).
> > > 
> > > So is this the product of a new Mayor and DA ??  just a thought.
> > > 
> > > Vince
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 14:43:20 1996
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Hello there all my fellow listies,

Well, I'm back from my two week hiatus from behind the Orange Curtain.
However, it looks like I'm going to be at home (down in SoCal) for most of
this summer, and not up here as originally planned.  So I've got a little
question for you all.  Is anyone aware of any job openings for web
publishing that I can do from home?  I have my own computer, so remote
access isn't a problem.  I've done some web publishing before, but nothing
too extensive.  However, I've got a good grasp of all the basics, I'm a
pretty good graphic artist (with all my own software - Ray Dream, 3Dstudio,
photoshop, painter, etc.), I'm in the process of learning Perl, and I'm
willing to learn Java, SQL, or any other applications relating to Web
Publishing.  If you know of any openings, please let me know.

Thanks, 

Jake

P.S.  I've been working with computers for a while now, and have a lot of
relevant experience (I taught myself C so that I could program continuous
speech recognition on a parallel processor, so I'm pretty good at picking up
computer-related skills quickly).

P.P.S.  And if the employer needs any 4AD rarities taped for them, I can
help with that too :)

Jake Reichert			|  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu	|  But now I'm not so sure...		
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Who ever recomended that Higher Intelligence Agency record "Colour 
Form."  Your taste is impeckable my man, simply impeckable.  Check out 
the other one called "Free Floater."

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At 2:32 PM -0700 6/13/96, Ronald Knegtel wrote:

>
>I don't think this is the same thing. Does anybody know for instance the
>personal names of any of the people in these bands? Their political views,
>personal life? In the rave scene people admire DJ's and performers but
>things go out of fashion in a few years. Few of the older records are
>still played or remembered by the current generation of ravers and
>often DJs are expected to play the latest records. None of the above
>mentioned bands present us with a new concept or view of the world, they
>just make good music. There have been many others like them and there
>will me many more (I hope).
>

Orbital's (Phil & Paul Hartnoll) fairly involved in political and
especially causes - check the liner notes of their new album for details.
The first track was recorded using only solar power for all their gear.

Joe



(:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:)
(:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!"                                 :)
(:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!"                      :)
(:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen      :)
(: anything like it!"                                                       :)
 



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 15:13:44 1996
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KaySEE wrote:
> 
> Is this Basco which I think is done by dj Dan?  (Please correct me if I'm
> wrong.)  Basco is an awesome track.  I fell in love with it the first time
> I heard it because of the guitar samples.  The second time I heard it was
> at Harmony's BP.  If someone knows where to find this track, let me know,
> I'd be most grateful!!
> 
> -kaySEE
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:
> 
> > Ok everyone, as long as I'm testing your music skills, I have to know where
> > to get this particular piece of music.  I hear it at most raves and it makes
> > me want to move my body harder than it's capable of.  There's this sound
> > like an electric guitar, one stroke, kinda distant.  A pause, then louder,
> > two strokes.  Kinda like  wow...WOWWOWWWWwwwwww.....  I *love* this piece!
> > It makes me freak!
> >
> > If someone could tell me who does it, what label, what DJ tapes would have
> > it, that sort of thing, I'd be in your debt!
> >
> > S
> >
> >
> 
>               ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****THE Basco records not by dan but he plays it a lot "its the beat"
we'll try to get more of these at Ameba ,blue vinyl an all  M

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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: NRR: Poison Oak answer
To: sfraves <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
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TO:     John Rahm, INTERNET:jrahm@innercite.com

Re:     Re: NRR: Poison Oak answer

Actually, Tec-nu works very well at "pulling" the oil out of the skin after
exposure has
turned into that nasty rash. It might require a few applications though.

It's also recommended that you put some into the wash cycle when cleaning
anything that has
been exposed to the oil....I.E.  clothes, sleeping bags, towels etc.    Or
you can even use it
to clean off camping equipment if it is to be used soon and might have been
contaminated.

Don't forget those sleeping bags people, or the next raver who crashes at
your pad may get
more than just a good nights sleep.



                                                                        
Take Care,
                                                                           
             Jason

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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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TO:     Shawna McGourty, INTERNET:shawna-@ix.netcom.com

Re:     Re:  Greetings SFraves

Good day Shawna,

I am going to be in the east bay area on Fri-Sat to test my generator
against a friend's band's equip. Need to know if it will handle all their
stuff at full volume.

This should only take the Saturday morning to early afternoon time slot. 

My return to the Sacto area will ultimately be at the hands of Tom, who has
graciously volunteered to drive this time. His only condition being that we
get to a nice beach.

Tom (a "new", and enthusiastic raver) might be persuaded to detour to a
"New Moon" if the 
Tix aren't too much and we can get them on Fri-Sat afternoon.

Please send me any information you have and I'll work on any responsible
thoughts he might
have about this weekend.
 

                                                                       
Take Care,
                                                                           
            Jason

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TO:     INTERNET:SteveOSac@aol.com, INTERNET:SteveOSac@aol.com

Re:     Re: Greetings SFraves

Good day Steve,

I might be back to Sac. in time to catch your BBQ-house party on Saturday.
6pm wasn't it?

But if I can con the person who is driving me to the Bay on Friday into it,
we might go to a
 "New Moon" Saturday evening.

It's all up in the air right now and, no matter where we end up, it should
be a great time.

......If only I could figure out a way to be at all the parties at the same
time...hmmm.......


                                                                Take Care,
                                                                           
         Jason

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TO:     Eric P. Peterson, INTERNET:epaul@Synopsys.COM

Re:     Re: Greetings SFraves

Good day Eric,

I will be in the Bay area to test some equipment on Saturday
morning-afternnon. But the length
 of my stay depends entirely on my ride back to Sacramento.

If I can compel him to stay for a party, I will. If not,  I think I'll try
and make it to Steveo's BBQ.


                                                                Take Care, 
                                                                           
         Jason



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TO:     John Kawamoto, INTERNET:jkawamoto@excite.com

Re:     Re: Greetings SFraves

Good day John,

During the writing of my introduction message, it was impossible to write
anything that wasn't
entirely positive.

I was trying to capture the effect that the people from the rave scene have
had on my life
since I went to my first party. This and to relate a few happenings that
have inspired me to
become, I feel, a better person from their example.

I will be in the Bay to do some equipment testing on Saturday
morning-afternoon. But I think
my ride back to Sacramento will wan't to return home that evening.

If I can persuade him otherwise, and the Tix aren't too much, who knows?

Thank you very much for the ride offer. This is the kind of generosity that
allows the 
transportationally challenged to take part in the spoils that is raving.

If I'll be out on Saturday evening, I'll try and post a message and let you
know. Till then...


                                                            Take Care,
                                                                           
     Jason

 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 13 15:36:56 1996
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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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could someone please forward me the calendar?

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *


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At 6:31 PM -0400 6/13/96, Jason C. Lundy wrote:

>Tom (a "new", and enthusiastic raver) might be persuaded to detour to a
>"New Moon" if the
>Tix aren't too much and we can get them on Fri-Sat afternoon.

Hi.

I'd say New Moon parties are free, but that wouldn't exactly be accurate.
The New Moon crew puts so much love and energy into their parties, trying
very hard to stand by their belief that nature and music can bring about
love and positive energy, that you can hardly say they are free.  It takes
a lot of muscle and smiles to pull one off.

But in terms of tickets and all that, unless I'm enormously wrong, there's
no need to worry -- they aren't selling tickets to Saturday's party.  It's
free. (I'm sure donations accepted.)

In terms of lending a hand, they can use that very much!!!  I swear, the
more you put into a party, even lugging a speaker, the more you get out of
it.  When you're happy as a raver in paradise, it's *so* nice to be able to
turn to the person you lugged the speaker with and hug and look atthe happy
crowd and say, "we helped make this happen!"

New Moon number is:  415.267.3076

Maybe I'll see you guys there.

Love,
Tone

P.S.  Things to bring to this party:

Flashlight!
blankets/sleeping bags
warm clothes
food to share
alter material
drink
maybe some gasoline (for the generator)?
Fire wood



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Call 415.541.5019 for pac-bowl info....
____________________________
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SuperCenter:  (415) 363-8100
Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500
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OK, gang, Adam Guevara has become my hero!  Consider me there :)  Hope to
see lots o' shiny happy people there.  Hopefully I'll have an assortment of
candy, as well as big Eric-hugs and lots of positive energy to share!

Love,

- E



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>Who ever recomended that Higher Intelligence Agency record "Colour 
>Form."  Your taste is impeckable my man, simply impeckable.  Check out 
>the other one called "Free Floater."

Yeah! Colourform is one of my favorite electronic albums (right up there
with Autechre, even) ever.  Has anyone ever heard Reform, the mini-lp with
mixes of songs off of Colourform done by other artists (Autechre and Aphex
Twin, among others).  BTW, there's a B-side to Love & Rocket's "Body & Soul"
with a remixed version of it done by HIA that's probably more HIA than L&R
(although Body & Soul is quite a good song on it's own).

Jake,
Who digs Love & Rockets LOTS


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  Thought I'd pass this on, Daniel from Moontribe will be playing at Mantra 
  this Sunday at Cats Bar & Grill, 683 Clementina Alley nr. 8th & Folsom.  I 
  know this is listed as a weekly in the sfraves calendar but thought I'd 
  give y'all a shout about this.
  
  Also, I was wondering if any people are going to Oasia in SoCal for 
  Saturday night.  If anyone is interested in carpooling, I might consider 
  going.  E-mail me for more info or check out Goa Gil's web page (who's 
  address I don't have w/me now but you can find it nested in an associate's 
  web page:  http://scitexdv.com/Users/todd/).
  
  See ya out there dancin'
  
  Diane


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>After the fights a week before last is it still going on?  I don't think 
>so.  Call b4 hand for info.  It's am Ameba event. 

i thought it was mar's and tracy's gig... ?

anyway, i went last week, so it is still on.
i might show up tonight, i'll be wearing a shiny red shirt if i do come.


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On Friday, Orion has a huge lineup of local techno/trance, jungle and 
ambient DJs.  For Saturday, Second Chakra and Monolith look solid.

Unfortunately, it appears that Your Mama's Cafe in Oakland has closed
its doors.

                             THE SFR CALENDAR
                                       
    http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi
    
   
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Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area

   Friday, June 14th - AstralScapes Inc. presents _Orion_
   A Journey Through Sound
   Tyler, Wizard, Talizman, Jon Santos, Solar, Shoam, Candy Land Twinz,
   Myste, Minor Minor, Trent, Noel, UFO, Karizma, Thad, Hannibal Selecta,
   OM, Rig-A-Tony, OBSO, Astronaut (live), RE: (live), Consciousness Lab
   Ambient Sound Re:search (live).
   presale tix at Frequency-8, Getta Clue (Sac) and Garment Lounge (Oak)
   415.273.1190 916.392.9105
   
   Saturday, June 15th - _Magic Circle_
   Sifu, Phonic, Mike P, Tony Fader.
   10pm-, 18+, $7. 510.433.9770
   
   Saturday, June 15th - Nexus presents _Second Chakra_
   Dale Charles (Boston), Pete Moss (Boston), Jeno, Donald Glaude, DJ
   Quest, Carlos, Dreamer, Kwashi, Essence.
   8pm-8am, . SF. 510.667.3492 415.337.4263
   
   Saturday, June 15th - Frank Nitty and the Brotherhood presents
   _Indonesia_
   Frank Nitty, DJ Ghost, E Flow (Sweden), Rick Preston, Kwashi, Essence,
   Dope Cat, J Mack.
   415.560.5324 415.340.5607 408.235.9344
   
   Saturday, June 15th - Groove Trip presents _Liquid Groove_
   Simon, John Howard, Oscure, Karizma, Brad Vachal, Jimmy Zimms.
   Visuals by SquareOne, Nutrilight, Las Vegas Lasers.
   415.522.9958 916.556.4684
   
   Saturday, June 15th - Next School & MARS (F8) presents _Monolith _
   Solar, Mystr-E, MARS, Henrik, Andre Lucero.
   limited tix available at Frequency-8 for $10
   415.974.4391 415.541.5019
   
   Friday, June 21st - Rain Dance presents _summer solstice tribal dance_
   Jeno, Markie, Mark Farina, Tracy, Rob.
   presale tickets at Ameba
   415.965.5045 510.889.2922 408.425.3316
   
   Friday, June 21st - Blasthaus & Terminator presents Chemical Brothers
   live
   $15. the Trocadero, 520 4th St, SF.
   
   Friday, June 21st - Gateway Systems presents _Light_
   Dance, Meditation, Drums, Games, Creativity, Food and Love
   Galen, Monty, Jon Williams, John Carel, Andre Lucero, Consciousness
   Lab Ambient Research.
   One Year Anniversary
   2pm-9pm, All ages. 415.536.9453
   
   Saturday, June 22nd - Full Circle Productions presents _Sankofa_
   Mark Gage (Vapour Space), Rabbit in the Moon, DJ Monk, Vicious Vic,
   Wade Hampton, Terry Mullan, Justin, Ernie Munson, DJ Dan, Simon,
   Garth, Jeno.
   415.675.9956 510.986.9089
   
   Saturday, June 22nd - Funky Baby Productions presents _Soulstice_
   Paul Guido, Utopia, Paul Q, Stonie, Sati.
   9pm-dawn, $5. 210 W. 6th St, Chico.
   
   Sunday, June 23rd - Silent Records & 1002 Nights presents Loop Guru
   Loop Guru, Cheb i Sabbah, 23 degrees.
   Visuals by 1008 Gopis.
   8pm-, 21+, $15. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison St, SF. 415.957.1320
   
   Monday, June 24th - _Underworld, Orbital, SpaceTime Continuum live_
   DJ Darren.
   the Fillmore, , SF.
   
   Tuesday, June 25th - _Crash Worship_
   live tribal/industrial band
   $10. Trocadero, 520 4th St @ Bryant, SF. 415.995.4600
   
   Wednesday, June 26th - Blasthaus presents Up n'Atom
   Laron, Felix the Dogge, guests.
   111 Minna St, SF. 415.789.8044
   
   Thursday, June 27th - _Move _
   Markie, Josh, Tracy, Spun, Solar, Polywog.
   Visuals by Donovan.
   415.437.5774
   
   Friday, June 28th - One Track Mind presents _Turn Around_
   Detroit, Chicago, Trax all night
   Sho, Jon Santos, Warren Parker, Paul Manley.
   10pm- $5. 415.208.3418
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Tribal Funk_
   Tony, Josh, Galen, guests.
   
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Revival_
   Corey, Serenity, Skemer, Simulacra, Jazz-E, Sifu, Honey B, Dave Rego,
   Shawn Steven, Synthesis, Allan, Fuman.
   $7 before midnight.
   9pm-morning, $10. 510.287.5797
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _Chateau de Boom_
   fundraiser for San Mateo AIDS Services
   noon-8pm, $3. Hillsboro "classic spelling". 415.572.3250
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _rhumboogie_
   Rob Doten, Gavan, Gina.
   9pm-2am, 21+. coco lounge, 139 8th St @ Minna, SF.
   
   Friday, July 12nd - Drip Drop Productions presents _Nafarius_
   415.436.0979 408.421.7189
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - 6 in da Mornin Productions presents _Ground Zero_
   Jim Hopkins, Simon, Ghost, Atommix, Josh, Liquid, Frank Nitty, Kimo,
   Essence, Kwashi, Spinner.
   Visuals by C.A.D., Trips R Us.
   120,000 sq ft indoor/outdoor action
   800.590.7032 415.709.7989
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - _Pro-Soy_
   Drenalin, Deaks, Tim McKnew, Cloud, special guest.
   SF. 408.457.7726
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - blasthaus presents the acid funk ball
   Hardkiss, broun fellinis, Mark Farina, guests.
   415.789.8044
   
   Saturday, July 20th - _Cloud Factory 2-year anniversary_
   408.457.7726
   
   Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996
   includes Wicked Sound System.
   runs entire weekend, through September 2nd.
   All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471
   
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W E E K L I E S

   House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may
   have ended - let me know when that happens...
   
  Thursday
  
   Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black,
   guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984
   
   Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. Agenda Bass-ment, 399 S 1st @
   San Salvador, SJ. 408.235.1556
   
   _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527
   Valencia, SF.
   
   Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew
   Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3.
   Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF.
   
   Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the
   balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @
   Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019
   
   .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th
   21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF.
   
   _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis,
   guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508
   
   _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month
   9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento.
   916.565.9588
   
   _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin,
   John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th
   St, SF. 415.252.7740
   
   _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of
   the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz.
   
   _Thirzdaze_ - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald
   Glaude, Essence, guests. 415.605.1915
   [6.13 - Dan, Donald Glaude, Essence, Nam, Paucus, Afro Dave, Jin]
   
  Friday
  
   _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guets.
   9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF.
   415.543.1300
   
   _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free
   before 10:30
   9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose.
   
   _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez,
   Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight.
   11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730
   
   _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come
   too).
   10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF.
   
   _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721
   Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285
   
   the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas,
   caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson
   @ 10th, SF.
   
   _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+,
   $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568
   [6.14 - Westbam, Hardsequencer]
   [6.21 - CJ Mackintosh]
   [6.28 - Derrick May]
   
   _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067
   
   _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma,
   weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento.
   415.273.1345 916.558.0850
   
   _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight,
   SF.
   
  Saturday
  
   _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady,
   Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning
   6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF.
   
   _Sound Factory _- big club sounds
   9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300
   
   _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.
   Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457
   
   55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55
   Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858
   
   _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason,
   Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights.
   10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903
   
   Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Ellen Ferrato, Dave
   Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF.
   415.703.7172
   
   _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests.
   2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730
   
   phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424
   Haight, SF. 415.995.4699
   
   _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom
   Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719
   
  Sunday
  
   _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly
   guests. free b4 10:30p
   For Technotica, call 415.764.2922
   10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389
   [6.16 - Marusha (Germany), Hardsequencer, Jon Williams, Henrik, Taj]
   
   _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J,
   Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore,
   SF. 415.771.2583
   
   _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B,
   guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256
   
   Quench - House, Ambient w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests.
   Ambient-Space explorations by DJ Leath and guests in the front room.
   21+. The Usual, 400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330
   [6.16 - Johnny Fiasco]
   [6.23 - Derrick Carter & Mark Farina on 20 Turntables! :)]
   
   subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone.
   10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865
   
   Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure,
   Jesse. $5 for under 21;.
   6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183
   
   Mantra - A hypnotic trance-inducing affirmation. w/DJs Dutch, Surge,
   Theta Blip, Abstract, Noel, UFO, Thad, guests. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. 683
   Clementina Alley, SF. 415.331.1500x888
   [6.16 - Daniel (Moontribe)]
   
  Monday
  
    Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius
   Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811
   
   _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight
   St., SF.
   
   _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth,
   m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @
   8th, SF. 415.431.3332
   
   _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu,
   stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151
   Folsom St, SF.
   
   _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs
   Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358
   
   _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Julio, Kimo. 10pm-2am,
   18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. 415.263.5797
   
  Tuesday
  
    Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani,
   guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF.
   
   Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am,
   21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515
   
   _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley,
   Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the
   Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443
   
   _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump,
   rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF.
   
   _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's
   Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707
   
   _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St,
   SF.
   
   _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free.
   1624 California @ Van Ness, SF.
   
   _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B,
   Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF.
   
   _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko,
   Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all
   9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland.
   
   _The Deep_ - house, techno. 9pm-2am, . Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave,
   Santa Cruz?. 408.425.3316
   
  Wednesday
  
   _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first
   Wednesday of the month.
   10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815
   
   _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the
   ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105
   
   _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests
   in the dub reggae room
   10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713
   
   _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar,
   Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th,
   SF.
   
   _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar,
   1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332
   
   _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear,
   Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St,
   SF.
   
   _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento.
   916.922.8041x4240
   
   _Bubbles_ - deep funky techno house music w/DJs Don Crisp (Crisp
   Records), guests. 9pm-2am, 21+. Babylon, 2260 Van Ness @ Vallejo, SF.
   415.567.1222
   
   _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe
   18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663
   
   _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins
   5.22.
   10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose.
   
   _Jackin' the Box_ - weeklytechnohousejammyinnadetroitchicagostylee
   w/DJs jon santos, samuel, guests. 10pm-2am, 18+, $5. 375 1st St @
   Harrison, SF.
   [6.19 - dial8]
   
   Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Tracy, Dave, Virg,
   guests. admission includes bowling and pool.
   10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San
   Rafael. 415.456.6440
   
   
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Info Lines

     * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated
       daily.
     * Clubline - 415.979.8686
     * Fatline - 415.207.3668
     * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019
     * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.568.1338
     * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788
     * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125
       
   
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Radio/TV Shows

     * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle
       & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub,
       Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara)
     * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of
       the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno,
       electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis)
     * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation"
       experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi
       nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz)
     * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and
       atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley)
     * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF
       90.3 (SF)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix
       with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench -
       10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and
       noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills
     * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from
       SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF)
     * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1
       KMEL.
     * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best
       in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis)
     * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from
       SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 -
       Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415)
       281-3377. flux@flux.net
     * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and
       Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford)
       
   
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   For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club
   section.
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Administrative Notes

   If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't
   possibly hope to get all the info every week.
   
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Hello everybody!!!

It looks like I might be stopping by Pack-a Bowl tonight.  This will be my
first time and I'm kinda excited.  I'll be wearing dragon tights and yellow
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My old phone is now disconnected with no immediate referral.   Instead,  I
got a pager,   so for those SFRafers that know me,  please note my new phone
number.

415-256-7685   - Then punch in your phone number and I'll call you back.

Tommorrow I'll have voice mail on: 415-460-9190 with paging options.

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Joe Rice wrote:
> 
> At 10:44 AM -0700 6/13/96, SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:
> >Oh my, Scott Hardkiss was at The Lounge (Sacto) last night and played a
> >tripped out spacey version of Rocket Man by Elton John, you know ("...And I'm
> >gonna be Hiiiiigheyii... as a kite by then") it was very nice.  Anyway, my
> >"thinks all, knows all" friend tells me I better enjoy it because I'll never
> >hear it again.  I guess Scot made that record and is getting sued for it,
> >worst of all, it never got to the stores.  Can anyone confirm this, I would
> >give my left arm and my mother to get a copy.
> >I think it's gonna be a long long time,
> >Steveo
> 
> Dunno if it was "Rocket Man" but there was a Hardkiss Elton John remix out
> commercially last year and I saw it all over the place. The only recent
> Hardkiss lawsuits I've heard of are rumors regarding the Robbie Hardkiss
> mix CD.
> 
> Joe
> 
> (:Joe Rice:____________:joe@psychoactive.com:____________:ambient@netcom.com:)> (:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!"                                 :)
> (:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!"                      :)
> (:"I know! He puts them on and off and you never know! I've never seen      :)
> (: anything like it!"                                                       :)
> I have a random promo copy of a cassette entitled "hkiss remix showreel2
contains "Benny & the jets' remix by Gavin 
and "believe By eltn remix by scott robbie and gavin   hmmmmmmmmm

more obscurities please!!!!!!

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TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote:
> 
> Check-out any tape from the Universe parties that happened in England
> about three years ago.  Simply blinding techno.  Tapes were on sale at
> Ameba but I don't know if they have any left (probably).
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Marisa Giancarla wrote:
> 
> > > >
> > > > How come Hardcore is so hard to find around here?  Doesn't anybody else
> > > > suffer from urban angst and feel the need to freak out at 200bpm?
> >
> >       I know the feeling. I really only get into techno when it has a 4/4
> > beat and is at least 180bpm, with lots of sampled screams thrown in a big
> > plus. Since I moved to the bay area I have pretty much given up on hearing
> > this kind of stuff "live", and I am making do importing gabber from germany
> > & rotterdam. The LA label Cleopatra (and their sub label Hypnotic) do put out
> > a few moderately hardcore compilation albums, "Terrortrance" and "Trance Hardcore"
> > being two of my favorites.
> >
> >                                       Marisa
> >
> >we have 2 judge jules "universe tapes " left but we have many other very
hard techno tapes as well       take it easy   Mark Ameba

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[ to sfraves list ]

 There's a weekly newsprint tabloid in the South Bay called METRO. In this
week's issue is an advert for the Palookaville nightclub. The advert lists
two events with the word "Rave" in the title:

Fri. , June 14th: Beyond Race "Live Rave"
  9PM  All Ages   * Exotic Dance Party
                  * Tribal Gypsy Dance Funk
                  * Snake Goddesses
                  * Belly Dancing                     BRING DRUMS

and -

Tues. , June 18th: The DEEP , Palookaville's Rave
 9:30PM  All Ages


 So, does anyone out there in SFRaves land know anything about these? How
about Palookaville in general ( I've never been there ) ?

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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For some time now I have been trying to locate a CD/Tape of something 
that I heard on the radio. The track was a techno remix of a classical 
work by the german composer Carl Orff (1895-19xx?), 'Carmina Burana'. 
You might remember the original music from the movie 'Excalabur'. I 
didn't learn who did the remix or what lable it was on. Has anyone seen 
or heard of this?

Patrick

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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Patrick R. Hancox wrote:

> For some time now I have been trying to locate a CD/Tape of something 
> that I heard on the radio. The track was a techno remix of a classical 
> work by the german composer Carl Orff (1895-19xx?), 'Carmina Burana'. 
> You might remember the original music from the movie 'Excalabur'. I 
> didn't learn who did the remix or what lable it was on. Has anyone seen 
> or heard of this?
> 
> Patrick


WOW!  that's a good oldskool track :)  actually, i'd be interested to 
find this out too, as that piece brings back memories of my first techno 
expriences .......

k 

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You asked:
>For some time now I have been trying to locate a CD/Tape of something
that I heard on the radio. The track was a techno remix of a classical
work by the german composer Carl Orff (1895-19xx?), 'Carmina Burana'.
You might remember the original music from the movie 'Excalabur'. I
didn't learn who did the remix or what lable it was on. Has anyone seen
or heard of this?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
My answer:
	You're in luck!  The track you heard is called "O Fortuna" by
Apotheosis.  It came out on Radikal Records around '92.  I've got it on
vinyl, but have also heard it on various techno comps.  Happy Hunting!
peas,
sAbiN!
PS.  They've also released another track called "O Brumbatta", but it sounds
     really similar.
8)

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cloud@cats.ucsc.edu wrote:
> 
> You asked:
> >For some time now I have been trying to locate a CD/Tape of something
> that I heard on the radio. The track was a techno remix of a classical
> work by the german composer Carl Orff (1895-19xx?), 'Carmina Burana'.
> You might remember the original music from the movie 'Excalabur'. I
> didn't learn who did the remix or what lable it was on. Has anyone seen
> or heard of this?
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> My answer:
>         You're in luck!  The track you heard is called "O Fortuna" by
> Apotheosis.  It came out on Radikal Records around '92.  I've got it on
> vinyl, but have also heard it on various techno comps.  Happy Hunting!
> peas,
> sAbiN!
> PS.  They've also released another track called "O Brumbatta", but it sounds
>      really similar.
> 8)

Less the 1/2 hour for an answer. God I love the net!

Thanx all

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 21:42:37 -0800
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Larry Ching, larryc@netcom.com wrote:
> There's a weekly newsprint tabloid in the South Bay called METRO. In this
>week's issue is an advert for the Palookaville nightclub. The advert lists
>two events with the word "Rave" in the title:
>
>Fri. , June 14th: Beyond Race "Live Rave"
 ...
>Tues. , June 18th: The DEEP , Palookaville's Rave
> So, does anyone out there in SFRaves land know anything about these? How
>about Palookaville in general ( I've never been there ) ?

"Live Rave" is not a very good description of Beyond Race, but they're a 
great band, one of my favorites in the bay area.  Fast funky noise you 
can definitely get down to.  Those at the last Burning Man may have heard 
them...they weren't a scheduled attraction but they were out there and 
just set up each night and played for a while out around the eastern 
perimeter.  A drummer, two guys trading off bass, guitar, and a Moog-y 
old keyboard, plus didgeridoo and tabla.  I'll be there Fri.

"The Deep" is Rain Dance's weekly gig that's been going on for a few 
months.  It used to be mostly at the Top of the Wharf (where SCJP is now 
out most Thursday nights), now it's mostly at Palookaville (bigger).  
It's a good party, with a mix of Santa Cruz and greater Bay Area 
DJs...there was an awesome showing by Dubtribe last week.  Palookaville 
is a nice spot: clean, spacious, nice floor, right downtown.  They get in 
a wide variety of acts, punk, funk, blues, rock, folk, all kinds of stuff.

anarch@scruznet.com

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to all you GROOVY, funky, +NRG, party people-
			
not rave related but inspiring nonetheless:

  " Take away love... and our earth is a tomb."
                           
                       - Robert Browning

[peace]

-atoy

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From: Paul Abramson <pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU>
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Ok folks.  Sarah (slaymaker) and Shawna and I are starting the ball
rolling for some crazy dancing tomorrow night (friday).... the only
question is where (the drive to sacto is unappealing)! 

Has anyone checked out the 'go fast' weekly on minna st.?  It's against my
better judgement to hit the overly-clubby Nikita when I don't recognize
the dj, but....  (and there's not much else out there in SF on friday!!) 

If you have ideas, or just want to join us ...... lemme know.

8-) Paul 8-P

otherwise, see y'all at new moon...


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From: Susie Kameny <susie@sutro.SFSU.EDU>
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Yes we have a room for rent at 9th ave posse....

It is a small room with a big closet and window for $312 plus 
utilities/month.  The house has a washer/dryer/dishwasher, working fire 
place, big backyard, deck, roof access, and a working fireplace in the 
groovey living room.  

The house is raver and geek friendly (but no smoking inside the 
house).  It is availabe July 1, 1996.

for more info write susie@sfsu.edu or call 415 566 3268

susie (:

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>Oh my, Scott Hardkiss was at The Lounge (Sacto) last night and played a
>tripped out spacey version of Rocket Man by Elton John, you know ("...And I'm
>gonna be Hiiiiigheyii... as a kite by then") it was very nice.  Anyway, my
>"thinks all, knows all" friend tells me I better enjoy it because I'll never
>hear it again.  I guess Scot made that record and is getting sued for it,
>worst of all, it never got to the stores.  Can anyone confirm this, I would
>give my left arm and my mother to get a copy.
>I think it's gonna be a long long time,
>Steveo

I talked to Scott about that track a while ago.

Anyway from my understanding, they were contaracted to do it be E. John.
He didn't like the mix or something to that effect (or mgmt. didn't like
it), and wanted the product shelved.  The Hardkiss boys thought that it
would be a good track to put out however, and so it goes.  It is a very,
very, very rare track indeed.  I could probably scoop one, but the shit is
so high profile that I think It would be invitiing danger to Hardkiss to
let anyone have or spin that track but themselves.

I was not in the loop on this, and the story was told to me a while back,
so I might have a faulty memory on this one.  When I see Scott again, I'll
ask him what the deal was and report if the story is any different.

Out,
John



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>For some time now I have been trying to locate a CD/Tape of something
>that I heard on the radio. The track was a techno remix of a classical
>work by the german composer Carl Orff (1895-19xx?), 'Carmina Burana'.
>You might remember the original music from the movie 'Excalabur'. I
>didn't learn who did the remix or what lable it was on. Has anyone seen
>or heard of this?
>
>Patrick
Ive got a copy on tape somewhere...ill try and find it.  Ive got a friend I
can ask - hes got an original copy (he is in amsterdam, so i couldnt get
you teh song, but could get you the artist).
If i understand correctly whomever remixed it got into copyrights and
wrongs and could no longer sell it.
(incidentally, the track is the beginning and ending of Carmina -'O
Fortuna'  They like to use it (hollywood) for pagan ritual  scenes (it was
in  'young sherlock holmes' too).  Actually its about this guys quest to
get  this cute virgin into bed.

take care
kcroy



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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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An interesting subject, I should have asked you personally about any "new moons".
Considering your past experience on the topic.

Seriously, I had no idea it was a Goat Rock party along the lines of last year's.
Pancakes and fruit anyone? (pancakes in the lot, or delivered like last year if your good little ravers)

An enchanted place, truely.
I hauled six people from Sacramento out in the van beast...can anyone say 6000 rpm redline...
 
By the way, as soon as I got the info, Tom was raver putty in my hands...."So it's a weekend 
huh?"...I didn't think it would be so easy...His first party was only months ago...

For any SFravers who care to grace us with your presence...I'm the longhaired bloke...or one of
the few attending as such. 


                                                                   Take Care,
                                                                                         Jason


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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Paul Abramson wrote:

> Has anyone checked out the 'go fast' weekly on minna st.?  It's against my
> better judgement to hit the overly-clubby Nikita when I don't recognize
> the dj, but....  (and there's not much else out there in SF on friday!!) 

ha!  westbam is considered (well, by some..) to be one of the most creative 
german djs, so it should actually be worth checking him out. *i* would 
go, if i could, only there's a fierce number of miles between me and 1015.
anyway, have the most elaborate fun, you people, whatever you might end up 
doing.
ulrike


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Yesterday I was so inspired by a friend I went home and at midnight made a
tape....it came out great so I thought, well mine as well  put it out there
seeing as how I want to spin at parties and I don't have a tape out....well
now I do.
90 minutes of house... My true love is hard acid house, but this tape is
strictly house. If you want one e-mail me, they are free....just send me a
blank tape and return envelope or I could give it to you at a party!:)  It
has:
Annie Lennox-Whiter shade of pale
coco steel+ lovebomb-feel it
Kym Mazelle-was that all it was
da juice-hear the angels
m people- open up your heart
everything but the girl-missing
Annie Lennox-little bird
the Boss-congo
Hardrive-deep inside
Masters at work- Cant get no sleep 95 mix
ANd more!!!!!!
Free folks.....e-mail me

Jonathan
2nd Chakra is the place to be! Saturday

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man, after this week i REALLY need the weekend :)

Quick update on my CD woes - my roomie has begun giving me money to pay
off the $500 or so that the cds are worth.  He and his friends have been
trying to find the guy who took em but needless to say he's done a VERY
quick fade.  I thought of calling the cops and insurance co. and 
everything but i don't want to bug insurance for only cds ... i'd rather 
wait until i come home and find my musical equipment gone for something 
like that :)

any vancouver groovers NOT going to future soul (waaah!!)?  let's get 
together and go play on the beach or something this weekend .... or we 
could take over Science World!

This workday cannot end soon enough for me!

k

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Palookaville raves = hippy ravers...if you like them then you're in 
luck.  Personally I would never go, no matter how bored I got @ UCSC

(But that doesn't matter now because I'm back in Oakland and SF is right 
across the bridge.  Summer is here!)

-mhg


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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Hello and happy Friday!!!

So, what the hell's going on tonite???


"Dance with me..."


Adam
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>man, after this week i REALLY need the weekend :)
>
>Quick update on my CD woes - my roomie has begun giving me money to pay
>off the $500 or so that the cds are worth.  He and his friends have been
>trying to find the guy who took em but needless to say he's done a VERY
>quick fade.  I thought of calling the cops and insurance co. and
>everything but i don't want to bug insurance for only cds ... i'd rather
>wait until i come home and find my musical equipment gone for something
>like that :)

you should bug the insurance people if they are covered.
we had someone walk into our office and walk off with a bag of CD's and had
no problem getting them replaced. so , i duuno. might be cooler than having
your roomie fork out the $$$ (for both of you)

take care
kcRoy



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Arthur Asks:
>   So I wonder: who in the Rave scene of the 90s will be the Hendrix, the 
> Lennon, the Leary of the 2020s?

Some comments about the rave scene vs. the 60's scene :

To me, the rave acene as it is happening now embodies many of the ideals
that we associate with 
the so-called 1960's hippie scene : Love , music, drugs, eastern
associations (see : Goa Trance)
Flower children ( check out the some of the rave fasions), spirituality,
shamanism and meditation.

I like the music of Hendrix and the musings of O'Leary but feel that techno
music is the metaphor to embrace as we face a new millenium. More people
should live for the present instead of dwelling in the past.

Finally, as for the question of who is the rave scene's Tim O'Leary ? I
would have to say that this generation already has a psychedelic
spokesperson in the form of one Terence McKenna who has written on and
lectures on the subject of ethno-botany, shaminism, psychedelics and
hallucinogens.

Tim O'Leary : thank you for showing the way.

KironO
        
           	


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>At 08:35 AM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>man, after this week i REALLY need the weekend :)

>>This workday cannot end soon enough for me!

I second that statement.

Rick



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[ to sfraves list ]

 Looks like a full weekend for me! Saturday is the Tibet Freedom Concert
(Day 1) - I'm especially interested in seeing folk/rock/blues performer
Richie Havens , trip hop/"alternative" artists Cibo Matto, trumpet player
Hugh Masekela , A Tribe Called Quest, and the Beastie Boys! 

 Then , after baking for the afternoon at the Polo Fields, off up north
to the New Moon celebration ( 415-267-3076 ). It's at a spot that I've 
never been to before , but other folks have been to it and like it alot.

 Sunday - drive back down south to my in-laws place in San Carlos for
a shower, a nap, and a Father-in-law's Day get-together. THEN, if I have
enough time and energy, down to San Jose for the free party in Hellyer
Park (Yerba Buena Site) (408-236-3732) , which goes from noon until "dusk".

 Then - go home and collapse!

 ( Some Sunday evening I'll get to MANTRA in SF . "Psychedlic trance" and
   Jungle/drum-n-bass at the same event sounds too good to miss! ).


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Palookaville is one of the newest venues for shows in Santa Cruz.  It's
considered ultra-hip, and books some of the best live music acts.  Probably
giving The Catalyst a good run for it's money, if it's still open...

- E



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All of my music is on cd and i would like to play the occasional party.
Does  anyone out there have cd decks and a mixer for sale, or know of where
i can 
pick up such equipment in the San Francisco/Berkeley area ?
And are there any experienced cd Dj's out there who could give objective
advice regarding this form of DJ media.
Prices, phone numbers, contacts, advice appreciated.

Thanks. 

KironO 
           	


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If you want to go to a REALLY good party this weekend, check out Orion 
here in Sacramento.  Lots of good hard trance, techno, jungle, and drum 
n' bass DJs will be there, and it's a phat virgin warehouse location in 
downtown Sacramento.  I know this might seem like a long drive, but it's 
really only about 1 1/2 hours or so from just about everywhere, and this 
party will be worth the drive.  If you're tired of all the parties filled 
with gangstas and hoochies and the same 5 boooring DJs who are all really 
good but burned out, come check it out.  As of last night around 6 there 
were over 300 presale tix sold at the Sac location alone, so there's 
going to be a ton of great people there.  Hope to see you all out tonight!

John

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TO:     Eric P. Peterson, INTERNET:epaul@Synopsys.COM

Re:     Re: New Moons

Good day Eric,
 

>> Cool, a fellow longhair!  There aren't many of us in this scene, so
let's stick together :)

>> (How long is long?)

>> Peace,

>> - E

My hair is about 6-8 inches past my shoulders, brown, and I'll probably be
wearing a Pink Floyd
t-shirt; maybe my red flannel when it gets colder. If it's truley cold, a
blue, stay-puff, marshmallow
 jacket. 

If you're still consious in the morning, I'll be cookin' up pancakes and
fresh ground frech roast
coffee.

See ya there SFraves! 

Gotta run....I'm laggin'


                                                                   Take
Care,
                                                                           
             Jason



                                                                    



 

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Jason C. Lundy wrote:

> My hair is about 6-8 inches past my shoulders, brown, and I'll probably be
> wearing a Pink Floyd
> t-shirt; maybe my red flannel when it gets colder. If it's truley cold, a
> blue, stay-puff, marshmallow
>  jacket. 

Hmm thats almost as long as me ;) Guess we'll have to have the long hair
dacing corner at the new moon. BTW anyone willing to give some hair for 
the altar? Heheheh...

> If you're still consious in the morning, I'll be cookin' up pancakes and
> fresh ground frech roast
> coffee.
> 
> See ya there SFraves! 
> 
> Gotta run....I'm laggin'
> 
> 
>                                                                    Take
> Care,
>                                                                            
>              Jason
> 
> 
> 
>                                                                     
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 

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I've been playing phone tag with Paul Morris from AM Only Entertainment 
and we both have really busy schedules...  If anyone has his email 
address (I think it's on his business card, but I can't find mine), I 
would greatly appreciate it.  Paul is DJ Dan and Jim Hopkin's booking 
agent and I really need to get a hold of him for a party I'm doing in August.

Thanks,

John

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OKAY, OKAY, OKAY!  I stand corrected.  Westbam at Nikita it is.  I love
hard german techno.... !  So who's going to make it out tonight?  It'd be
nice to have a big happy sfraves crowd to help fend off the
daquiri-wielding club kids. 

Not sure what I'll be wearing, but I've got short bleached hair and new
earrings.  And a big smile! 

Smiles,
Paul


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On Jun 14, 12:29pm, Paul Abramson wrote:
> Subject: westbam/nikita (was Re: friday!!)
> OKAY, OKAY, OKAY!  I stand corrected.  Westbam at Nikita it is.  I love
> hard german techno.... !  So who's going to make it out tonight?

I may probably go there with Mrs. Frying Dutchman and two German friends.

> It'd be nice to have a big happy sfraves crowd to help fend off the
> daquiri-wielding club kids.

Remember, PLU + Respect, even for daquiri-wielding club kids. Not everybody
who likes daquiris is automatically a dick.

> Not sure what I'll be wearing, but I've got short bleached hair and new
> earrings.  And a big smile!
>
> Smiles,
> Paul

Possibly wearing my light blue "Three seconds memory" T-shirt and hope to
get a haircut today (if work permits, argh, and it's even friday).

The Frying Dutchman



-- 


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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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I love hard german techno too!...I think that I shall be going to this
event...I hope that I can find a ride! I am not sure what i will be
wearing, but I have blonde (dark from sweat (ooooh)after dancing too
hard!) glasses and I dance like a madman to hard techno! I will probably
wear jeans and a green knit shirt.

see yall there!

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Paul Abramson wrote:

> OKAY, OKAY, OKAY!  I stand corrected.  Westbam at Nikita it is.  I love
> hard german techno.... !  So who's going to make it out tonight?  It'd be
> nice to have a big happy sfraves crowd to help fend off the
> daquiri-wielding club kids. 
> 
> Not sure what I'll be wearing, but I've got short bleached hair and new
> earrings.  And a big smile! 
> 
> Smiles,
> Paul
> 
> 


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Plus three live electronic music bands, all mixing together in the ambient
room.  :)

Rick

At 11:56 AM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>If you want to go to a REALLY good party this weekend, check out Orion 
>here in Sacramento.  Lots of good hard trance, techno, jungle, and drum 
>n' bass DJs will be there, and it's a phat virgin warehouse location in 
>downtown Sacramento.  I know this might seem like a long drive, but it's 
>really only about 1 1/2 hours or so from just about everywhere, and this 
>party will be worth the drive.  If you're tired of all the parties filled 
>with gangstas and hoochies and the same 5 boooring DJs who are all really 
>good but burned out, come check it out.  As of last night around 6 there 
>were over 300 presale tix sold at the Sac location alone, so there's 
>going to be a ton of great people there.  Hope to see you all out tonight!
>
>John
>
>



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Have I been in the dark or what!

So, does the Tibet Freedom concert cost anything?  If so, what?

Does anyone know what time the Beastie Boys and a Tribe called Quest
willbe playing?

The polo fields at GG Park are really incredible.

-troy


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Might go there too, downstairs was kickin last weekend
, but wanna get up 4 free Tibet
Me :  Blondy hair/reddish smig. Possible  beige  top and grin . Top.
Top...( insert stream of consciousness section here...wierd dissolves
and bodies going all wobbly. Cut to small, dark bar with sign saying ;
"due to noise complaints there will be no dj playing until further notice.
or something like that") Top..... Top.
Ah yes, whats up with the Top in Lr. Haight ? when are the tunes gonna resume ?
Do any fellow Haight-ans (?) know the scoop ?
Or does anyone know of similar bars with DJ's (apart from Noc Noc: tooo small).

Kiron

At 12:50 PM 6/14/96 -0700, you wrote:
>On Jun 14, 12:29pm, Paul Abramson wrote:
>> Subject: westbam/nikita (was Re: friday!!)
>> OKAY, OKAY, OKAY!  I stand corrected.  Westbam at Nikita it is.  I love
>> hard german techno.... !  So who's going to make it out tonight?
>
>I may probably go there with Mrs. Frying Dutchman and two German friends.
>
>> It'd be nice to have a big happy sfraves crowd to help fend off the
>> daquiri-wielding club kids.
>
>Remember, PLU + Respect, even for daquiri-wielding club kids. Not everybody
>who likes daquiris is automatically a dick.
>
>> Not sure what I'll be wearing, but I've got short bleached hair and new
>> earrings.  And a big smile!
>>
>> Smiles,
>> Paul
>
>Possibly wearing my light blue "Three seconds memory" T-shirt and hope to
>get a haircut today (if work permits, argh, and it's even friday).
>
>The Frying Dutchman
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>
>
           	


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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 Diane_Tabellija@adoc.xerox.com wrote:

>   Thought I'd pass this on, Daniel from Moontribe will be playing at Mantra 
>   this Sunday at Cats Bar & Grill, 683 Clementina Alley nr. 8th & Folsom.  I 
>   know this is listed as a weekly in the sfraves calendar but thought I'd 
>   give y'all a shout about this.

I highly recomend checking this out for anyone looking for something this
sunday.  Daniel is one of the infamous moontribe dj's, and was one of my
favorite LA dj's when I was down there.  He used to play more of a
psychedelic house style (his early morning moontribe sets are permenantly
etched in my brain) but I hear he's more of a trance dj these days. Not
really my style, but I'm going to go anyways just cuz it's been so long
since I've heard him spin...

Andy



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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, Troy Sheets wrote:

> 
> Have I been in the dark or what!
> 
> So, does the Tibet Freedom concert cost anything?  If so, what?

cash. lots of it.
> 
> Does anyone know what time the Beastie Boys and a Tribe called Quest
> willbe playing?
> 

the Beasties are headlining on Saturday & supposedlly doing an all punk 
set sometime on sunday.

> 
> -troy
> 
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Ok, I've waited long enough and I ain't waitin' no mo'!  This Saturday night 
I'm getting out of the house, away from the "straights", and out into the 
night, and I'm wondering where the really good stuff is going on.  I've 
looked at the SFR calendar, but there was an FnF party I'd heard of that I 
didn't see on there.  Any info?  And where will you guys be going?

S


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[ to sfraves list ]

Troy had some questions -

> So, does the Tibet Freedom concert cost anything?  If so, what?
> 
> Does anyone know what time the Beastie Boys and a Tribe called Quest
> willbe playing?
> 
> troys-list@schwa.sun.com                   <- Inquire Within
> 
 I don't know if there are any walk-in tickets left, but you can check
the Polo Field Box Office - they are supposed to be selling them for 
$28.50 for one day, $50 for both days. BASS is selling them for that plus
BASS charge.

 There's an article about the concert in today's (friday) S.F. Chronicle.
It has the line-up for both days on page C8, bottom left of page.
Bjork and Red Hot Chili Peppers and other folks appearing Sunday.

 I'm just guessing, but since each day starts at noon and runs till 
5PM or so, ATCQuest will probably be on after 2PM , and Beastie Boys
are supposed to close the show. Bands will be on two stages, so music
will be effectively non-stop.

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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At 1:27 PM 6/14/96, SDream wrote:
>Ok, I've waited long enough and I ain't waitin' no mo'!  This Saturday night
>I'm getting out of the house, away from the "straights", and out into the
>night, and I'm wondering where the really good stuff is going on.  I've
>looked at the SFR calendar, but there was an FnF party I'd heard of that I
>didn't see on there.  Any info?  And where will you guys be going?
>
>S

There will be many members of the FnF crew out helping the New Moon party
on Saturday night. In my opinion, it's my most highly recommended activity
this weekend for sure. It has all the necessary ingredients for a quality
event  -- it's free, outdoors in a *beautiful* setting, put on by your
friends in the underground, highly spiritual, and best of all, it was not
promoted via any four-color foldout promotional flyers or greedy promoters
-- but by your friends, adding music, nature and love.)

See Tony Rotundo and Ann Elizabeth Loraine's previous messages for details
on where to call and what to bring.

pax, man.

-w

____________________________________________________________________________
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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote:

> Palookaville raves = hippy ravers...if you like them then you're in 
> luck. 

	So what are "hippy ravers"? Travellers?

dave

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If only I could split meself in two, and go to New Moon AND Monolith!  Oh,
well...I'll be with the New Mooners (!) in spirit, and the two parties can
send lots of positive, loving nrg to each other :D

Party on,

- E

(or is that "party on E?" ;))



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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Looks like im sold!  I'll see all yall out @ Nikita tonite...  

Unless something else pops up... in the renegade scene (he, he...).  

I'll be dressed in pretty plain clothes (I ALWAYS dress in plain clothes) and
will be hovering around a speaker.

"Dance with me..."

-Adam
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Monolith.

Trance.

10$


Although probibly most of the SFR family will be at the New Moon party....


"dance with me...."

-Adam
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On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Renaud Waldura wrote:

> 	So I don't believe in this flat scene, sorry. Maybe any movement
> 	just _need_ a leader, a personnality to identify with... Maybe
> 	is it just impossible to do without.

	On some levels we are not a flat scene, there are names and some
people still run about thinking that djs or promotors are all knowing
creatures to be idealized. But that is not the case everywhere (and its
not necessarily the case here for that matter, just depends on which
circles you travel through). I know systems which do not promote the names
of djs or live acts and whose "promotors" and physical labours do not go
around making a point of telling everyone that they throw these parties or
those parties...

	Having a flat system depends on the people who come out not 
making a huge fuss over the djs or the promoters as well. They are all 
just people, and in an environment where the energy of a crowd is only 
amplified by a dj, a dj is not some god, but yet another integral part, 
like any of those people who are dancing next to you, looking around, and 
interacting with the world... Flat systems do exist, you just have to 
find them...

dave


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Hey everyone,

Where is Monolith going to be at?? That is on Saturday,right??
Well I hope everyone has a great time at New Moon,I can't make it.
Could somei=one tell about Monlith please.
Thanx
nikki ;0)

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Might go there too, downstairs was kickin last weekend
, but wanna get up 4 free Tibet
Me :  Blondy hair/reddish smig. Possible  beige  top and grin . Top.
Top...( insert stream of consciousness section here...wierd dissolves
and bodies going all wobbly. Cut to small, dark bar with sign saying ;
"due to noise complaints there will be no dj playing until further notice.
or something like that") Top..... Top.
Ah yes, whats up with the Top in Lr. Haight ? when are the tunes gonna resume ?
Do any fellow Haight-ans (?) know the scoop ?
Or does anyone know of similar bars with DJ's (apart from Noc Noc: tooo small).

Kiron
           	


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Dear San Franciso Raves,

I am writing to express my utmost disappointment at not receiving any
e-mail in the last 2 mins,

yours dodging workingly,

M.r Reach Fo' De'sky


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 14 15:00:23 1996
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Yep that's right a cornocopia of tunage for $20, or a buck a piece.  Mostly
92-94 house, some acidhouse, some hip hop.
Not worth driving up from SF for, but a steal for any up and coming house
dj's around Sacto.  Eme or call 443 8225.

-sTeVeO
P.S. Sorry, I dont have a list of whats in there, & no, I wont search for
"this one record that goes boomp, schika a boomp boomp"

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     Does anyone know if there's a Sunset on Sunday? If so any ideas where?
     
     Thanks all!
     
     - We have art so that we may not perish by the truth
     
                                                        Nietsche


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YO,

I'll pickup that crate for 20bones.  However,  I'm situated down here in SF
and I have no clue as to when I'll be in the SAC area... Soooo, if'in you're
going to be down here this weekend for any parties, give me a jingle....

415.614.7568

"Dance with me..."

-Adam
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 14 16:57:53 1996
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Hi Elizabeth-

 If you find out when and where Sunset is, could you let me know.  I'm going to 
be away from my computer all weekend.  If anybody else knows, please leave a 
message for me at (408) 970-7032.

-Thanks, Todd


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I would love to get the lowdown on Sunset also. And if anyone could offer me
a ride to
it i would love them even more (metaphorically speaking, of course).
My # is 415-621-6747, 

Kiron

Reach for the skies!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 04:54 PM 6/14/96, you wrote:
>Hi Elizabeth-
>
> If you find out when and where Sunset is, could you let me know.  I'm
going to 
>be away from my computer all weekend.  If anybody else knows, please leave a 
>message for me at (408) 970-7032.
>
>-Thanks, Todd
>
>
>
           	


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>Hi folks -
<blah blah blah>

I'll be at the show as well... most likely I'll be wearing my grey "child
t-shirt" (the design for it is on my webpage, in the portfolio, under
"illustrator work:" http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim, if you're
curious).

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 14 17:45:15 1996
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kcroy wrote:
> 
> >man, after this week i REALLY need the weekend :)
> >
> >Quick update on my CD woes - my roomie has begun giving me money to pay
> >off the $500 or so that the cds are worth.  He and his friends have been
> >trying to find the guy who took em but needless to say he's done a VERY
> >quick fade.  I thought of calling the cops and insurance co. and
> >everything but i don't want to bug insurance for only cds ... i'd rather
> >wait until i come home and find my musical equipment gone for something
> >like that :)
> 
> you should bug the insurance people if they are covered.
> we had someone walk into our office and walk off with a bag of CD's and had
> no problem getting them replaced. so , i duuno. might be cooler than having
> your roomie fork out the $$$ (for both of you)
> 
> take care
> kcRoy

[snip]

I work for a very large ins co. and am a licensed agent.  More than 
likely, the homeowner deductible amt will be enough to deter you from 
submitting a claim.  Also, cd's and other recording media are 
sometimes not covered.  Keep in mind that in todays nasty (unfriendly) 
insurance market, it is EXTREMELY difficult to purchase a new insurance 
policy with any of the major insurance carriers (ie. state farm, 
farmers, allstate, aaa, etc.)  If you keep submitting frivelous claims 
(and the ins. co will consider this frivelous!) you run the risk of 
having your policy canceled for loss frequency.

I know it seems unfair, but that is just the way the market is in 
California.  :(

If anyone has any other insurance related questions, I'd be happy to 
discuss them with you.

everyone have a GREAT weekend!

[PEACE}

-atoy

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Hey, I have a chance to spin at a house party on june 22nd from 3-7pm, in
the South Bay for a graduation party, I might not be able to do it and was
wondering if someone here was interested. For details please email me, and
I'll give you the info.

Tim (knucklehead)





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Hello,

I would like to get a discussion going about the seemingly low number 
of gay men and women I meet at raves. The gay population of San 
Francisco is perported to be anywhere from 20%-30% yet the really 
great rave scene in San Francisco seems mainly straight. Not that 
this is bad, over the past year I have met some really cool people 
and made some good friends, I would just like some of them to be gay.

I had a blast at Tribal Future and Basics, I enjoy Wicked once in a 
while and Burning Man is a must, but why so few fellow gays?

I love the spirit, the music and the energy of raves and wish there 
was a more even mix of people. I believe the time has come for less 
segregation, us gays no longer need to party at gay only places, the 
rave scene is the perfect environment for everyone to enjoy the party 
together.

So what can we do to move things forward and make the scene more 
attractive to gay men and women?

I would love to hear your views.


Love from David



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Andy Thomas wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 Diane_Tabellija@adoc.xerox.com wrote:
> 
> >   Thought I'd pass this on, Daniel from Moontribe will be playing at Mantra
> >   this Sunday at Cats Bar & Grill, 683 Clementina Alley nr. 8th & Folsom.  I
> >   know this is listed as a weekly in the sfraves calendar but thought I'd
> >   give y'all a shout about this.
> 
> I highly recomend checking this out for anyone looking for something this
> sunday.  Daniel is one of the infamous moontribe dj's, and was one of my
> favorite LA dj's when I was down there.  He used to play more of a
> psychedelic house style (his early morning moontribe sets are permenantly
> etched in my brain) but I hear he's more of a trance dj these days. Not
> really my style, but I'm going to go anyways just cuz it's been so long
> since I've heard him spin...
> 
> Andy


 [snip]

My intro to the scene was at Moontribes Full Moon Gathering 05/31 to 
06/01.

I met DJ Daniel.  He has got the coolest vibe and good karma surrounds 
him.  You just feel it.

His set was THE SHIT!  I even have one of his tapes.  If anyone ever has 
the opportunity to go down to SoCal for a full moon gathering, DO IT!

You won't be sorry.  2000 shiny, happy people in the middle of nowhere
sharing in humanity under the light of the full moon.  It was magical.

[peace]

--atoy

           "Real happieness is cheap enough, yet how dearly
            we pay for its counterfeit."

                                        - Hosea Ballou

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In a message dated 96-06-14 02:46:45 EDT, pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU (Paul
Abramson) writes:

>Nikita when I don't recognize
>the dj, but....  (and there's not much else out there in SF on friday!!) 

HEY!  Donald Glaude is in the basement at Nikita tonight!  (You outta
recognize HIM!)  

:)
Rebecca

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Wow, presold tickets are probably into the 500's by now, I don't mean to
scare anyone off, but considering what happened at groove trip's last sacto
party (sold out by 11pm), you might want to think twice before driving up
from the city if you don't already have you tix, I found out the location
(real nice but not too huge)  This should be quite a party, if you're going,
look for me, I've got big black baggy cords, with a black tshirt with neon
stripes, I'm white with dark short.med hair, ill have my laminate on!
-sTeVeO


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G'day, checked the calender and only orion on tonite.  Pleaseee, 
anything else on tonite?
Much appreciated, Kim

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On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, 'Dave Bayer' wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 14 Jun 1996, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote:
> 
> > Palookaville raves = hippy ravers...if you like them then you're in 
> > luck. 
> 
> 	So what are "hippy ravers"? Travellers?
> 
> dave
> 


Did someone say "Deadbeats"?  =)

Ran


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My computer tells me that at 10:39 AM -0000 6/13/96, David wrote:

>So what can we do to move things forward and make the scene more
>attractive to gay men and women?

I've wondered about this a little myself.  I've heard that Spundae is
actually quite mixed and plan to go this week-end.  I'll let you know what
I think.  I'm definately not into the Castro scene, but at the same time
it' would be nice to go to a party or club which is at least somewhat
mixed.  I was in Seattle a couple of weeks ago and there's a new mixed-rave
club there on Fridays called "Electrolush" & I LOVE it!  It's so nice to go
to a club that's TRULY mixed.  I haven't seen anything like it since my
all-ages club days in Seattle (early 80s - before the rave scene).  By my
estimation it's now the hottest club on the west coast.  Maybe with the
right nurturing something similar could develop here, if not Spundae maybe
something else.

I'm not sure what can be done (aside from passing out flyers at Universe &
Club Q etc., to bring more gays into the scene).  I suspect it's just a
matter of creating the right groove which will draw people of all sexual
orientations (or no orientations, as the case may be).

hugs,

David

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~
David Ginsberg
Student of Neurophenomenology and the Human Condition
University of California, Berkeley
ginsberg@uclink4.berkeley.edu
~ ~ ~~ ~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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Hey y'all...
I gotta remove myself from tha list for a bit...
Ill be back...not like anyone will miss me :)
Its been great lurking on your guys list...(Im in Canada, on NorthWest
Raves) and cant wait until i can come to your insanely amazing city.

Anyway...could someone please tell me how to unsub?
I think i know...but so i dont do sumthin dumb...could someone please
remind me :)
everyone have a good summer
bye










                          peace
                         bill.e
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Here you go (from the mail I got when I subscribed):


If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,
send the following command in email to
"sfraves-request@hyperreal.com":

    unsubscribe


Another lurker,
-mike

> 
> Hey y'all...
> I gotta remove myself from tha list for a bit...
> Ill be back...not like anyone will miss me :)
> Its been great lurking on your guys list...(Im in Canada, on NorthWest
> Raves) and cant wait until i can come to your insanely amazing city.
> 
> Anyway...could someone please tell me how to unsub?
> I think i know...but so i dont do sumthin dumb...could someone please
> remind me :)
> everyone have a good summer
> bye
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                           peace
>                          bill.e
>             .com communications
> http://www.islandnet.com/~solo/
> 


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>Ah yes, whats up with the Top in Lr. Haight ? when are the tunes gonna resume ?
>Do any fellow Haight-ans (?) know the scoop ?
>

My basic (emphasis on basic) understanding is that they are having problems
because the daughter of some SFPD bigwig, moved in next door.  It would be
funny if it didn't happen quite so often.  "daddy, can't you do anything
about all the horrible people in the neighborhood.  if they were all gone,
maybe then we could have a Gap and it would be Perfect".

Sorry, just venting a bit there.  Anyway, my understanding is, despite
Muffy and her unrealistic expectations, they should be back to pumping out
the jams come end of June.

Again, this is really basic info from the people at the Top.

peace....
arkay



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> >So what can we do to move things forward and make the scene more
> >attractive to gay men and women?
> 

 I like to know what one can do to support a more mixed scene (other than 
by being gay). I firmly believe that the gay and lesbian community have 
critically important insights to offer society as a whole and that their 
prescence at raves is essiential in order to keep the scene alive and 
growing. I do know that in Santa Cruz we have the Blue Lagoon which is 
normally a gay/lesbian club that churns out some techno/house nights. 
Yet  I've heard grumblings from the patrons about the prescence of 
"breeders" on these nights (the management likes the extra income). My 
complaint is that if the queer community doesn't welcome hetro's (and 
sometimes bi folks) how can they demand to be accepted in return? I 
realise that this is only a few individuals (I hope!) but we need to work 
on both sides to create a more accepting community where NO ONE is 
ostracised.


Ran @ Dionysus Dreams

                                ( yell )
                                    /
                              -=*=-/
                                ~

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 15 00:36:56 1996
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I agree!:)


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 15 04:27:09 1996
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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: top 10!
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signs that youve just danced your ass off to the hottest set of your
life...
I guess I need help with this one! :)

(hi frying dutchman!)

1. ???
1. ???
1. ???
1. ???
1. smiles smiles smiles!
1. you begin to wonder where you learned the amazing footwork you are
doing. 
1. you are so into the groove...eyes closed...hands waving crazily in the
air...you lookk around and everyone else is waving their hands crazily in
the air too 
1. for two days afterwards you are hearing music in your head
1. when the music stopped...no one stops dancing 
1. even your underwear are dripping with sweat.

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 15 11:31:37 1996
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how about ... your soul and heart are filled with so much love and vibe 
that you feel like you could just SCREAM cos if you don't you might just 
explode!  :)

THAT'S the feeling i like best.  I don't think i've ever even got it from 
sex, to be honest.

k

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>> >Quick update on my CD woes - my roomie has begun giving me money to pay
>> >off the $500 or so that the cds are worth.

First, I think the roomie is being *very* cool about this situation.  Sad to 
say, but it's not easy to come by honest, stand-up people...

>If you keep submitting frivelous claims 
>(and the ins. co will consider this frivelous!) you run the risk of 
>having your policy canceled for loss frequency.

So let me get this straight: Insurance companies can cancel you for using 
the service you paid for?  Wouldn't that be like a bank closing your account 
and confiscating your money because you made too many withdrawals?

Yeah, I know, you don't have to remind me about how insurance companies make 
their money and how they're continuously ripped off.  I just don't think it 
justifies them ripping us off right back.

INSURANCE = SCAM.

S


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Hello. A friend of mine visiting from Illinois and I want to go to New 
Moon, but are somewhat lacking transportation. If anyone has room for two 
for a ride up to the beach, please please email me or call me at 
510.664.3175... we're in berkeley but can meet you at any bart station at 
any time. 
Thanks very very much!

rkumar@umr.edu, rkumar@lbl.gov

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Hi everyone!!

Here's a little request to all that are coming tonite:

If anyone has a lantern, it would be cool if you could bring it!  Also,
if you have any spare gas containers lying around, it would be cool if you
could bring some fuel, as well. 

Once again, be sure to bring a flashlight, water, good shoes, and some
warm clothes, just in case.

Love,

Ann (for the NM collective)

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	This Monday at Movement (1600 Market St.):

	John Carel
	Lmnt
	Ron Allen

	With residents: 

	Julio
	Kimo

	For more info call:  415.263.5797

_______                                   _____________________________
       |  CDJ LMNT    ...     ed colmar  |                         
       |  Aural Pilot .. immersive Arts  |         /|   
_______|  http://www.immersivearts.org/  |_______|/ |__________________


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  To whom it may concern:

       Yes, my friends there is a Sunset tomorrow.  I cannot divulge the
location info but the line will tell you tomorrow around noon.  (415)
985-5264.
See you tomorrow.

-Nancy


P.S.  What is all this right front speaker stuff?  Do all the people on
this group meet in front of the speaker or is it only some of you?  What's
really going on?

-Nancy



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     Many many moons ago the house scene in S.F. began.  I'm not sure how
many of you are aware of this but the only place you could go to hear house
music back them was in gay clubs.  They are all still (the house and techno
fools anyway) very much a part of this scene.  Even if there are not as
many out at parties we must never forget who really brought this scene to
S.F. and give credit where credit is deserved.  I think one of the main
reasons why most gay people don't come out to parties as much, is because
there are gay clubs in the city still playing house music.  I think, in
general, most of them would rather hear music in an atmosphere they feel
comfortable in with people who feel the same.

-Nancy



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Ys, it's true, if everyone took every little weeny theft to insurance 
they wouldn't cover us any more.  that's why i'm not taking this one to 
them, and also why i didn't report the loss of my leather jacket to them 
(although i DID contact the cops on that - but that's cos they also had 
my credit card, driver's licence etc.).

And i'm very happy that my roomie is so concerned for me :)  especially 
since he's just some guy i found through the newspaper and he could have 
been just as evil! *whew*

reveling in the sunshine,

k

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SFRavers, 
 
moonpup is having difficulty getting his email (including past messages). 
Apparently he never got any of them.  What I'm going to have to do is print
each message out and send them to him.  So anyone who would like to say hi
to moonpup in London, should send me (Erik) a message for him at this
address (moonpup@hooked.net) and I will make sure that he gets it via post
mail.  
 
*Please address messages as "moonpup" in the subject.  That way there is no
chance that I will delete any messages for him. 
 
--erik 
 
**IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER** 
These words were NOT written by moonpup 
He's in London until late August 
 
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 15 16:58:35 1996
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From: "David" <davidt@best.com>
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Hello again,

Interesting feedback so far, perhaps there are more gays at raves 
than I thought, but even so it would be nice to see more. I am going 
to start inviting all my gay friends and all of their gay friends and 
get a whole gays at raves pyramid going.

I love the idea of this mix of people, I don't think we should be 
having to choose whether to go to a "Gay" party or a "Straight" 
party, my friendships are not based on sexual orientation so it 
will be a fabulous party when we can all go out with our friends and no 
matter whether you are straight/gay/lesbian/bi/bi-curious/straight 
curious/gender non-specific/or a-sexual you can party with others 
just like you and celebrate diversity without feeling alone. Utopia 
is right at our fingertips and I want to party there!

Please keep this dicussion going and please invite all your friends 
to join in.

TTFN

David

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See you all at 2nd Chakra. i'll be wearing my Nawty Boy t-shirt. Come say
hello. You can give me a blank tape their and I will make copies of my tape
for  anyone who wants one. THEY ARE FREE!!!!!:) I might have candy too, and I
will definatley have hugz and smiles!!!!!:)
Peace,
Jonathan

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Bored today so I'll be in the #sfraves channel!


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As promised, the Orbital and Underworld concert info is now online!

So be sure to point your browser at the newest site in the
club.net/domain.net family!

____________________________________________________________________________
 Wayne D. Correia                                            wayne@club.net
 900 Tennessee Street              TEL: +1.415.826.6000        www.club.net
 San Francisco CA 94107-3014       FAX: +1.415.826.6100      www.domain.net



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From: "David" <davidt@best.com>
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Subject:       MORE GAYS @ RAVES 2ND CHAKRA
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I will be at 2nd Chakra wearing a light sky blue t-shirt with yellow 
lines on the shoulders and sleeves, blue jeans &  boots, nearly 
shoulder length blond hair and I'm English too, come say hello.

Love Dave

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Hello familly.

Well I was planning to go to 2nd Chakra but because of some bunk info I
will now try to get out to Liquid groove since it's in the city!! yeah I
don't have to drive to sac...
Most of you are probable not even going to get this till tommorrow ohh well.

I heard 2nd Chakra is at the same location as Basics also Indoniesia is at
the place most of you would like to boycott so hopefully I'll see some of
yous at Groove trip...only 12 bucks

See ya there

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To All the wonderful people I had the pleasure in meeting whilst in CA the last 
few weeks.

What can I say?  except a HGe thankyou for the love and support that you all 
have given me.

I was a little aprehensive at first about hanging out with you all, mainly as I 
din't want to be a hinderence to you, but after TF alone, I found that my time  
SF and the  people I have met has been one of the most truly invigorating 
experiences in my live so far.

I am now looking say in a couple of years or so, to move out to SF on a 
permanent basis, as I feel that I am more at ease with life over there than 
here. 

In England I am seen as a little different that most people, mainly due to my 
openess and love, and I felt so at peace with myself and was on the same 
wavelength as many of you, something which I haven't felt as yet over here.

I will finish here, as it is extrememly difficult to put down so many emotions 
in one e-mail without getting a little depressed at being back home.

once again,


I may be half way across the world, but SF and all of you that I met will be 
very close in my heart,

Love

Daryll
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I know this is an old discussion, but I haven't had the chance to check my
mail in the last couple of weeks and I couldn't pass this one up...

I think the 1st song that made me realize that something was out there was
Nothing to Fear by Depeche Mode - heard it back aroung 6th grade.  It's
kinda wierd - all my life I think I have been into instrumentals more than
vocals. Maybe that's why I like house music so much.  

        


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 16 11:53:10 1996
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Nancy, 
what is "going on" at the right speaker?
is it decorated?

Dave


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I heard a Jeno tape with a phat remix of voices inside my head by the
police the other day and i was wondering if any one out there knows who
remixed it and if it is available on vinyl???

Any info is greatly appreciated.

Terry Huntington
www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/terry.html
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>I heard a Jeno tape with a phat remix of voices inside my head by the
>police the other day and i was wondering if any one out there knows who
>remixed it and if it is available on vinyl???


Yes it's available on vinyl (I have it) but it came out several months ago
so you may not find it. (but someone might sell you their copy)



                                                G


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WOW, Responses so quickly, i love it!
I was able to find it thanks to shannon richbourg.
Thanks for the help!!


On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Geoff White wrote:

> >I heard a Jeno tape with a phat remix of voices inside my head by the
> >police the other day and i was wondering if any one out there knows who
> >remixed it and if it is available on vinyl???
>=20
>=20
> Yes it's available on vinyl (I have it) but it came out several months ag=
o
> so you may not find it. (but someone might sell you their copy)
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>=20
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Terry Huntington
www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/terry.html

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 16 14:34:56 1996
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:35:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Abramson <pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU>
To: sfraves@hyperreal.com
Subject: *** NEW MOON.... initial response ***
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Ha!  The first one back to e-mail.... :) :)

New Moon was just as transcendent as I had hoped for..  crystal clear
stars, crashing waves in the morning, happy smiling ravers, lots of love,
and the kicker:  some amazing goa from Tom around 9:30am that totally got
us out of our head (thanks jess!!).  

I'm a little overwhelmed, so I think we'll just head to Sunset and maybe
check out Hardsequncer (again!) at Spundae tonight.  He was great on
friday!! 

Take care, and LOL....the summer has really begun!! (a few days early,
even)... see you at the Solstice!

8-) Paul 8-D
(and Tom and Shawna)



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 16 14:38:55 1996
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Lorelei tonight at the Pacific Cultural Center in Santa Cruz (1307
Seabright), 8pm.  Also at a bookstore, I think, in Mountain View Tuesday.
Cluster at the Maritime Hall in SF on the 28th.

anarch@scruznet.com



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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Anarch wrote:

> Lorelei tonight at the Pacific Cultural Center in Santa Cruz (1307
> Seabright), 8pm.  Also at a bookstore, I think, in Mountain View Tuesday.
> Cluster at the Maritime Hall in SF on the 28th.


Hi!
 Thanks for the tip!!!! Any word on cost? If you e-mail me right back I 
should get it even if it seems like my mailer isn't recieving.

Ran
                      ( gleeepo znork )
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Randy C Cone <randream@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Anarch wrote:
>> Lorelei tonight at the Pacific Cultural Center in Santa Cruz (1307
>> Seabright), 8pm.  Also at a bookstore, I think, in Mountain View Tuesday.
>> Cluster at the Maritime Hall in SF on the 28th.
>
> Thanks for the tip!!!! Any word on cost?

Pacific Cultural Center events are usually around $5.  I don't know about
the bookstore thing.  And the Cluster show I'm sure will be ticketed by
Bass, since it's at the Maritime Hall, so they should be able to tell you.

anarch@scruznet.com



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Well, it's been a while since I've posted.  For personal reasons I had to 
divert my attention from the rave scene for a while, so when it finally got 
to be too much and I had to let loose, I made sure to pick a place where I 
knew there would be good friends and a good time waiting.  I also had to 
choose carefully since I was bringing a friend that had never raved, and I 
wanted her to meet the coolest people around, my rave buddies.

I was not disappointed.

THE GOOD:  The location was *gorgeous*!  Cliffs, huge rocks, a night so 
clear you could see the Milky Way and bajillions of stars.  Everyone told me 
they saw shooting stars, but I'm afraid I missed them.  I was tuned into 
some very good beats.  I found that dancing in the sand wasn't so bad, but 
putting down some cardboard first makes things a lot easier.  Waves crashing 
down on the beach.  As daylight took over, the huge rocks in the ocean, the 
cliff and the hills behind appeared, grey and mysterious in the mist.  
Rather ethereal and mystical.  There was, I think, about 70 people there?  A 
little alter, a DJ tent, a fire, and so much wonderful vibe.  

THE BAD: First let me say, this location was WAY THE HELL OUT THERE!  Dang, 
folks, surely there's got to be a spot like this a little closer to Frisco.  
Driving up to San Fran is bad enough.  Having to drive another hour and 1/2 
beyond that is HELL.  And that was the *only* thing bad about this rave.  

THE PEOPLE: I knew at least half the people there, and that was a first.  
Rikki was cutting it up with glo sticks.  Wayne was there with Marcy.  
Leslie showed some killer moves.  Tim was doin' the rastah thing on his 
anniversary.  And Shawna was there, with wonderful hugs!  Renaud was there 
with Jess.  Jess was playing it low key -- poor baby has been brutalized by 
finals.  She spent a large part of the evening sitting bundled up by the 
fire and snoozing in her sleeping bag.  Met Aleph.  A very quiet, sweet guy. 
 My friends loved the rave, including the rave virgin.  I think she'll be up 
for trying out more of this wonderful scene.

THE VIBE:  Heck, I met a ton of people, and I got nothing but really, really 
good feelings the whole night.  Big grins, plenty of hugs, chatting with 
good people.  And when I'm getting good feelings, I get tons o' energy.  I 
was kicking around nearly all night long.  Around the fire, in front of the 
DJ, down to the water and back again.  Bopping and grinning...

THE DISCOVERY:  Leslie and I discovered the bones of the elusive Treeasaurus 
on that beach.  The Treeasaurus was the dominant life form during the 
Driftocene era.  We discovered several bones including a tooth.  We 
determined that the Treeasauruses were the greatest lovers of that era.  In 
fact, we determined the the tooth was probably ripped out during a 
particularly intense sexual encounter between two Treeasaurs.  It's a well 
known fact that the Treeasaurs, as they evolved, took sex to it's ultimate, 
slow, funky groove.  In fact, their descendants, the trees, are having sex 
all the time around us, but at this point it goes so slowly we can't see it. 
 One day the entire earth will shudder slightly and all the trees will be 
seen shortly afterwards smoking huge cigarettes...

THE HAMSTAS: I get home to find that the hamstas have cut loose as well.  
Coming up the stairs I passed several bleary eyed hamstas with little rolled 
up sleeping bags and backpacks on their way out.  I go inside and look 
around.  Apparently I left the glass door open and they discovered it.  Of 
course the balcony was the perfect spot for a tiny little new moon rave, so 
they called all their friends (not easy - it takes two of them to work the 
phone) and the lugged all their equipment out onto the balcony.  When I got 
home, there were tiny sleeping bags and tents all over the balcony, two 
little altars decorated with peanuts, sesame seeds, and little bits of 
incense, and a small group of very tired hamstas still bopping in a tight 
group next to the turntables.  A handful of them had scaled the railing and 
were sitting on top of it watching the sun come up, wiggling their pink toes 
and cleaning each other.  It all looked very cozy and cool, so I left them 
to it and went to bed.

Thank you all.

S


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This was a sad story of so much potential, but not the power to pull it off.
We get to the space around 7 pm to set up the ambient room.  There are no
lights in the building.  There is a generator the size of a small pickup
truck sitting infront of the building.  We set up in the dark.  By 9 pm, the
generator is running, and we have lights.  Extension cords running all over
the ceilings, bring power to every corner of the space....all from one big
generator.  They are planning to run three rooms with this generator.  I had
spoken to one of the promoters the day before, and he asked me how much
power does all of our live equipment need to run.  I did not know, but told
him what we had.  Turns out the power needs for the whole show were
underestimated.  The space was great.  Hot, but nice otherwise.  Three
spacious rooms, one big rectangle with a high ceiling, One medium size
rectangle in the center (perfect ambient space), and one odd shaped large
room with occasional pillers.  The space was great, but the owner hasn't had
the power switched on yet for some reason.  So we get the ambient space set
up, and everyone else sets up the other rooms.  RE: C-Lab and Astronout set
up all of thier live equipment, and all is ready to go.  The ambient space
walls are lined with couches and chairs, and the floor is carpeted.  Because
of the length of the speaker wire, the amp rack has to sit out in the middle
of the room.  So we put chairs around it and a fan on top creating a small
island.  It looked quite nice.  It's about 10pm, and people are beginning to
arrive.  Then the Po Po arrive.  "Shut it down", "no party" are the words we
hear.  I begin to meditate trying to bring some peaceful energy into the
space.  The cops leave, and are supposed to come back and do a walk through
to see that there is no alcohol, and nothing is being sold.  The party is
supposed to be a "free" (ya right) going-away party for some people going to
Europe.  Nothing is to be sold at the party.  All water and smart drinks are
free (and they kept that promise :)  The cops don't come, and they don't
call for a really long time.  The decision is made to move the party to an
outdoor location about 45 minutes away.  We break down all of the equipment
in record time, and wait for directions.  After 20 minutes, it is announced
that the cops are on thier way to walk through the space for the original
plan.  The do, and make funny comments about having flash-backs from thier
youth....good sign.  The pary is given the go ahead for the original space.
We set-up all of the equipment in record time (have'nt we done this before?)
The party starts.  

The hard room is just that, hard.  Way to hard, and way to fast for my
taste.  It sounded like that were playing 130 bpm records that are supposed
to be on 33and 1/3, and playing them on 45.  Even stuff with vocals.  I
heard many chipmunk sounding lyrics.  Not into it at all.

The main room was loud with good sound.  The stuff I heard briefly was alot
more housy.  It was cool for the less than five minutes I spent in it.

The ambient room is my headquarters, so I spent most of the time in there.
Here's where everything started to suck royally.  Every 10 minuets or so,
our main power strip would blow out.  We were drawing too much power from
our equipment.  Now for the turntables, this was not too much of a problem,
cuz when the power comes back on, you just push start.  But for live
equipment, this is bad.  Everything is run off of disks.  Songs and sounds
have to be loaded into the machines for them to play.  You can't just turn
them back on and hit start.  Well, we never made it through an entire song
without the power dipping then <bizzzzt> darkness.  This happened about four
times, then they decided to shut down the main room cuz it was drawing like
10,000 watts.  We tried one more song and like clockwork, just when it was
building and getting good, <bizzzzzt> darkness..."FUCK"  We gave up, and
packed up all the equipment.  By the time we were done, the whole party was
cancelled.  

I heard that the promotors were going to throw a free party on Saturday at
the outdoor space mentioned earlier, but I don't know if it happened.  I
feel sorry for everyone involved: promotors, dj's, artists, and guests
because everyone was out something.  The guests all paid money to get in,
I'm sure the promotors lost some money on the party, we had to set up our
equipment twice and never got to play, the dj's had no chance to create any
sort of vibe cuz every the music would zap off every other song.  I guess
the promotors can be blamed for not taking enough in to concideration
beforehand, but I know these people, and they are respectable.  Thier first
party "Synthetic" went off big time many months ago, and "Orion" had all the
potential to top the first one.  I know they personally felt really bad
about the whole thing.  They did give away water and smoothies all night,
which helped with the heat quite a bit.

I'll definately give them another chance, and hope any of you who attended
will as well.

Rick



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Okay, I'm probably getting this message in "a little early" but :

It's the summer solstice this Friday but one of my faves The Chemical
Brothers are playing
that night in the Trocadero. Is there any solstice celebrations parties
happening that 
i can join after the show ? Outdoors, of course.

KironO

           	
           	


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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Paul Abramson wrote:

> Ha!  The first one back to e-mail.... :) :)
> 
> New Moon was just as transcendent as I had hoped for..  crystal clear
> stars, crashing waves in the morning, happy smiling ravers, lots of love,
> and the kicker:  some amazing goa from Tom around 9:30am that totally got
> us out of our head (thanks jess!!).  

What I miss the GOA set?! NOOO!!! Oh well... should have sticked aroudn 
longer but I was to tired. Indeed they New Moon was great. Love to all
those I saw there.

> I'm a little overwhelmed, so I think we'll just head to Sunset and maybe
> check out Hardsequncer (again!) at Spundae tonight.  He was great on
> friday!! 
> 
> Take care, and LOL....the summer has really begun!! (a few days early,
> even)... see you at the Solstice!
> 
> 8-) Paul 8-D
> (and Tom and Shawna)
> 
> 

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
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>I'll definately give them another chance, and hope any of you who attended
>will as well.


I'll second that!!  I was in the same boat as Rick on friday in the 
ambient room.  Had all my equiptment set up and ready to play, but never 
got a chance because off all the power problems.  I ended up turning all 
my gear off for fear of power serges.  And it seemed to help the power 
problems out a little. 

 I met some increadible people, and made many friendships that I know 
will last a looooong time!  And even tho the power kept going out, it was 
like nobody really cared.  People started playing drums and eveyone was 
grooving and clapping and dancing in the dark together.  There was a vibe 
there, not your typical 'rave' vibe, but a vibe of 'we're here with a 
bunch of really cool people and we're going to have fun no matter what 
happens'.  For me, it was wonderfull, my first raving experience in 
Sacramento, and I had a better time than I have had at the last couple of 
SF parties I've been to.

I just want to thank Rick and Eric of Re: for inviting me to play with 
them.  Hopefully sometime soon we can do it again.  And the Orion crew 
for giving it their all.  Like Rick said, the potential was there, put 
the Electricity wasnt.

-M  

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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Hi SDream/SFRaves -

 I agree with everything I can remember about SDream's review of the 
New Moon party this last SAturday. Great people and environment - far walk
bwteen parking place and site. But , that distance I believe helped us
from getting busted, so it was all for the good. Dodge those waves! 

 My memory of the night is a bit disjointed, as for many periods I was 
a brown blanket covered lump on a white tarp. I did managed to make myself
useful by starting the fire, also I was the guy passing out chocolate
chip cookies at one point. 

 We must have been meant to be there, because the weather was so kind to
us! I can't complain about the temperature - I should have brought warmer
trousers and a REAL sleeping bag instead of just my army blanket. 

 My thanks to all the great music from the DJs - Can someone post the 
actual names and sequence of DJs? It was nice to hear Jim Cyr (spelling?)
spinn for the first time - nice stuff! 

 I staggered off "early" before 9AM, so I didn't get to hear the Goa set.
Durn! 

 A big THANK YOU to all concerned with the planning and execution of this
party!

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com
 

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[ to Scott Nozawa/Tamotsu/SFRaves ]
 
>      For all you Southbay folks, there is going to be a FREE party in 
> Hellyer Park in San Jose.  Sunday, June 16th is the date and it will run 
> from Noon til Dusk.  The Djs will be:  Rick Preston, Harry Who?, 
> Ryan Tapia, Tamotsu, Joseph, Mark Johns, Marc Chavez, and Sean.  Come on 
> out and enjoy the sun and some good music.  Bring some happy vibes and a 
> friend and let's get San Jose rockin'!!! 
> 
> Hellyer Park San Jose
> Yerba Buena Site
> 408*236 *3732 for directions

 So , how did this party go? After Father-In-Law's Day events, I tried to make 
it to the party, but the Park Service had the gates closed to incoming cars
by the time I got there!

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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Nice post!  :^)

At 8:50 PM -0700 6/16/96, SDream wrote:
>THE BAD: First let me say, this location was WAY THE HELL OUT THERE!  Dang,
>folks, surely there's got to be a spot like this a little closer to Frisco.

No, there doesn't.  You see, maybe Goat Rock is so sacred *because* you
need to struggle first to get there.  The spot that you danced at, had such
a wonderful time at, and discovered your first Treeasaurus at :^), is a
place that just may grown in your heart long after the party.  You will
feel drawn there, like the moon tugging at the tides.

I drove down Rt. 1 from Mendocin, tired, dizzy, slowly (2 1/2 hrs.) ...the
moment I saw "the rock" (from the North, above), I got chills.  As soon as
I saw that there were still cars there, I knew exactly what I would find.
And I found it, dancing, smiling, happy.

>Driving up to San Fran is bad enough.  Having to drive another hour and 1/2
>beyond that is HELL.  And that was the *only* thing bad about this rave.

Hmmm...maybe that's not fair, but I'm sure the New Moon collective will
forgive you.  Maybe that party would be so special somewhere else, but I
don't see how.  Anyway, I'm sure ears are open for sacred spots around
Santa Cruz (?) that a butt-load of cars can park over night (over a
weekend!) without getting tickets unless they have outdated registration,
and where we can dance and party to loud music until we decide it's time to
end.

Peace!

Tone



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well, I'm somehow up and awake so here's more pseudo-review rambling in
the after-glow..... 

Friday.  12:00 noon.  Finish last exam.  Head to a party.  Bored with
            people drinking.  Say bye.  ;) 
         3pm.  On Bart to Bezerkeley to round out my rave closet.
         10pm.  Dash to Nikita with Sarah et al to get in free...! 
Saturday 3am.  Am completely blown away by Hardsequencer and Westbam.
            It's fast.  Creative.  Not too crowded and lots of room to
            dance wildly.  Thomas provides excellent running commentary
            about the latest gossip from the German techno scene. 
         6am.  What?  It's morning?
         6:30am.  EndUp.  Eek!!!
         8am. Decompression time.  Visit farmers market with a beautiful
            friend.  Luxuriate in a succulent apricot.  Sigh...
         3pm??  Still awake, madly making phone calls.  :)
         6pm.  Hmm.  I did something here, but it didn't imprint.. (?)
         8pm.  Assemble gear for the trip to Goat Rock.
         9pm-11pm.  Drive confusedly around the city with Shawna and 
           Tom *trying* to leave.  Finally hit the bridge.  
Sunday   2am. In heaven at New Moon.  AAaaaahhhhhhhhh......  The stars are
           popping out of the sky.  
         10am.  Somehow transcend heaven while sweating and juggling
           to Tom's goa set.  Jess and I break out into a morning aerobics
           routine to make sure we don't get flabby. ;->  Eat half a 
           package of Chips Ahoy for breakfast.
         12 noon?  Leave Goat Rock on a cloud.  
         2pm.  Tom and I have an interminable adventure in a photo shop.
           Emerge dazed and amused.  What?  You can't buy film on the
           west coast? 
         4pm.  Arrive at Sunset.  Wheeeee!  Am somehow not disturbed by
           house music for the first time. The trees are bubbling, Julie! 
           Dance dance dance dance dance pizza dance dance dance.
         9pm.  What?  The sun set already?!?
         11pm.  Hmm...  Hardsequencer... Hmmm....  to Spundae it is!!!
Monday   2am.  Hmm.  Is my body kidding or is it really telling me to 
           fuck off?  Ouch!!!  Hardsequencer is somewhat less inspired
           than on Friday.  Dance wildly.  Smile at everyone.
         3am.  Head hits pillow.  Full stop.

I can't express my bliss properly right now.  The amount of positive,
loving energy I experienced this weekend pretty much blew my mind.  Not to
mention a proper dose of really hard, fast fast fast beats here and there. 
:)

With love and admiration,
Paul



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> So , how did this party go? 

It was great!!  A perfect Sunday afternoon in the park.  My housemate and 
I arrived around 2 or so.  There were already about 20 people there.  
There were a couple of footballs and frisbee's being thrown around so we 
joined in on the fun.  Lots of dogs, including two of the cutest and 
smallest chiwawa's (SP?) i've ever seen.  It was a match made in heaven 
for these two dogs.  They were chasing the footballs that were about 
twice their size.  I finnally got to meet fellow Apple employee Tomotsu 
(wussup man!!) .  My roommate and I  brought our bikes and found a couple 
of fun trails in the park.  We ended up at this BMX bike track with jumps 
from hell.  There were a couple of kids on BMX bikes there that were 
jumping at least 10 feet in the air.  A little too crazy for me.  Back at 
the picnick grounds the music was still going when we left at 8pm.

I wanted to see Derick Carter and Quench last night, but when I got home, 
I was so tired I Imediatly fell asleep.  How was it??

-M  

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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On Jun 15,  4:27am, Tony Rose wrote:
> Subject: top 10!
> signs that youve just danced your ass off to the hottest set of your
> life...
> I guess I need help with this one! :)
>
> (hi frying dutchman!)

Hi Tony,

it was great meeting you at Nikita (my first sfraver encounter!), we talked
about the most diverse set of topics, ranging from antcolonies, neural nets
to Utah while "compiling" in the outdoor chill out. Haven't had a conversation
like that while partying in a while! By the way, Westbam/Hardsequencer rocked
which brings me to my contribution to your top 10:

> 1. ???
> 1. ???
> 1. ???
> 1. At the end of the evening, ambulance personel is required to extract
     your head from the speaker box.
> 1. smiles smiles smiles!
> 1. you begin to wonder where you learned the amazing footwork you are
> doing.
> 1. you are so into the groove...eyes closed...hands waving crazily in the
> air...you lookk around and everyone else is waving their hands crazily in
> the air too
> 1. for two days afterwards you are hearing music in your head
> 1. when the music stopped...no one stops dancing
> 1. even your underwear are dripping with sweat.

and

1. (real story from my early days): there is a salt deposition on your
   trousers from the sweat that evaporated from you.
>
> * * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ******************
> Paul Anthony Rose
> UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
> http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
> TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
> ****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *
>-- End of excerpt from Tony Rose

CU out there or drop me an E-mail when you're going out in the city (although
we have to cut back a bit -> spending too much money lately + lots of work).

The Frying Dutchman

-- 


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Hi Everyone,

This is not rave-related! The company I work for, CMP, needs programming 
and Web gurus. I'm posting an ad that appeared in the June 9 Sunday 
Chronicle and Examiner to give you an idea of what they're looking for. 
If you're interested, please send me a private email, and I'll give you 
the details on how to apply. Also, feel free to pass this on to anyone 
else you think might be interested.

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___________________________

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Damn! I just called somewhere to find out how much there 1200's are and
they said $599.00. Does anyone know where they are cheaper. This place has
low price garantee and will give you 110% of the difference. So if I can
find a cheaper place then I can get a better deal.

Tim (knucklehead)



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Hello again-

 I bought my 1200's from platinum records in Portland, OR.  They were $435 when 
paying by check or credit card, $425 when paying by cash.  I used to live up 
there and I called all over the country to find out what competing prices I 
could find.  Platinum definitely beat most other stores by $25-35 per 1200.  As 
far as the cost of shipping is involved, I picked mine up from the store, but I 
would presume that they would ship for a reasonable cost.  If you have any 
other questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

-Todd


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In the dark, there is emptiness.  In emptiness, there is truth.  (I think
that's how it goes)  The truth is as follows:
This party was held at the same place where we enjoyed the last Chrysalis
(sp?).  It was decorated lightly: a few strategically-placed neon posters
and plenty of blacklights in the hall, the chill area being very spartan
(foamy mats on the floor a cool addition; a projection of a huge,
multi-colored. slowly rightward-revolving motion image of something you'd
expect to see under a microscope, as the sometimes-overlapping shapes were
bloblike).  The people at the entrance (both downstairs and upstairs) were
very friendly and welcoming.
The dance floor filled up slowly, and I waited for enough people to get out
there so I'd feel less conspicuous when I danced (silly me).  The floor
never got too crowded, even when the crowd was at max, so there was plenty
of room for people to bust out.  And believe me, they did!  Everyone was
dancing differently, loving the wonderful trance that was happening, and a
few of the dancers were really going wild :)
I saw very few people I knew there, so I spent most of my time dancing,
till I had to chill in the other room.  I hung out mostly with John
Kawamoto (meet this guy!  He's got a beautiful heart) and Matt Lanier
(great to see ya after so long!).  I saw a few people I've met before, but
it was a case of "I'm sorry, but I forgot your name."  "That's OK, because
I forgot yours, too!"  Smiles worked better than any apology :)
There was energy enough on the dance floor, but it was at a medium level;
it never felt that intence.  Still, there was enough to absorb and get
charged for more dancing after feeling that my reserves were dwindling.
Activity in the chill area appeared low to moderate throughout.  A very
cool thing it was to leave stuff in a pile on the floor, go away for a
while, then come back to find everything undisturbed!
Toward the end of the party, I was so drained, etc., that I just hung out
in the chill area, fighting the urge to sleep.  When I finally made it to
my feet again, I returned to the dance area, took a seat, and waited for
the music to coax me out to dance.  More time fighting sleep, while
watching the marvelous dancing of one gal in particular, whose feet were a
blur with hyper-fast moves!  When I felt like I could get up and get down,
the music faded!  It was at that point that John and a friend returned to
dance, and found that it was over, too...we had to laugh :D
We stayed and helped clean up; I picked up half the bottles in the chill
area, and John and I picked up flyers and stuff in the hall.  I hope the
place was left in a decent state.  It didn't appear that anyone had really
abused the space, so maybe we can look forward to more parties in the same
location.
Big thanks to the F-8 crew for giving us another wonderful time!  For some
reason, as soon as I saw the French gal, whose name I don't know because we
haven't really met, I got a feeling that this was gonna be a good one.  I
was not disappointed!

Peace, and hope to see LOTS of y'all next weekend,

- E



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haven't seen a review of monolith yet, so i thought i'd post my very first
review ever!

went to free tibet and then puttered around haight for a long time, so we
didn't arrive till around 2:30.  locale was that wonderful space in the
mission where chrysalis was - it's a very personal space, with a partition
that seems designed for setting up dance and chill zones.  party wasn't
crowded - there was plenty of room to move all night, even when surges in
collective energy drew everbody back onto the floor.

smiles were abundant all night, which made me immediately euphoric and
tripped to dance!  my last outing (to the jerald (sp?) deli) had included
an extremely twisted-out, ganstaish guy repeatedly getting in my face, but
from the moment we hit the door i was sure that nothing of that sort was
going to transpire - it was like dipping right back into the positive
energy that carried us out of chrysalis!

because of our late arrival, i think we missed MARS - boo hoo!!!
i think myster-E was spinning when we arrived - excellent commanding
trance which just seized you and demanded to be danced - had to spell
out for water and air several times as i found my heartrate flipping past
to tempo, only to return immediately.  my friend found the amount of
downbeat somewhat excessive, but i say he seized us with those undeniable
beats like voodoo dolls and said, thou shalt dance.

henrik followed, and man did he lay it down!  i must hear him spin again,
and soon - anybody know where he's headed next?

listened to the start of andre lucero's set, but by then we were asleep
with our eyes open and had to split.  all in all, a wonderful evening,
sparsely decorated but with energy and vibe spilling over everywhere. 
some of the optional extras like smart drinks and a second ambient set up
for the chill room would have been nice, but there was something zen about
the minimalism throughout that fit well with the trance spinning - plenty
of headspace for all.

PLEASE do it again soon!
matt.

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|                                                                       |
| _Query_ : How contrive not to waste one's time?                       |
|                                                                       |
| _Answer_: By being fully aware of it all the while.  Ways in which    |
|           this can be done: By spending one's days on an uneasy chair |
|           in a dentist's waiting-room; by remaining on one's balcony  |
|           all of a Sunday afternoon; by listening to lectures in a    |
|           language one doesn't know; by traveling by the longest and  |
|           least-convenient train routes, and of course standing all   |
|           the way; by lining up at the box-office of theaters and     |
|           and then not buying a seat; and so forth.                   |
|                                                                       |
|    - albert camus, _la peste_                                         |
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 17 13:44:37 1996
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Rick Riffle wrote:
>>The hard room is just that, hard.  Way to hard, and way to fast for my
taste.  It sounded like that were playing 130 bpm records that are supposed
to be on 33and 1/3....<<
Just a note of agreement, those sets made the gabber I was familiar with
sound like elevator music.  I can respect that as a type of music with a
purpose, NRG is good, extreme NRG-good too, I just prefer a slightly less
brain splattering form of NRG.  Also I think you need to work a crowd up to
that level of NRG.  Having ones frontal lobe disloged by 200+BPMs as one
walked is rarely the best way to get the peoples on the dance floor.
-sTeVeO
P.S. Yikes, that post was completely void of positivity...
Damn that was a nice space!  Especially the ambi room.  Lots of good vibin
folks too, met a first time E'd out gangster type with a smile, he was amazed
at the love & positivity & promised he'd bring me candy next time.  kudos
Sacramento!

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Ha sucker, I still owe you 10 bucks.  You aint gettin it either!  Well, till
you get back here at least!  Hope everythings chipper out there for you.
 I've totally fallen looped out in love with Trish, (from cabin trip, Becca's
roommate).  We'll all go out and do something fully epic as soon as you get
back, yah?

Spread beats amongst them wherever you go,
your wake shall make them groove and flow,

Love & Life,

-sTeVeO
1901 G st #1, Sacramento CA 95814
916 443 8225
steveosac@aol.com

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Achtung Bitte:
Doran... Paging Mr. D.J. Doran... 

Anyone have a # or address?
-sTeVeo


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I was as The Top right after they stopped having djs because of the complaints
... and as Nikki's a few doors down was still blasting their music to a capacity
crowd (hmmmmmmm)  ...

They were just playing dj tapes at The Top that night, and the cops actually
came in and told them to TURN DOWN THE TAPES!!  Clearly, The Top is being
harrassed for some reason, because this was so bizarre, it was not even as loud
as a lot of restaurants play their music, I swear.

If it's really true that some SFPD honcho's kid is the source of these
complaints, you really have to laugh -- I mean, can you imagine moving onto
Haight and Fillmore ... and complaining about anything?  I mean, the block is
like a circus day and night, does she ask her daddy to do something about the
crackheads who follow her down the street?  

Anyway, I for one am looking forward to The Top getting back to dancing!

Leslie  : )


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From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM>
To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
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I agree with David in many ways about what appears to be a
lower-than-might-be-expected number of gays in our scene and I wonder why.

Maybe it's just an illusion....  maybe we just aren't aware of how many ravers
are actually gay or bi, because their sexuality is just not obvious in their
interactions, because (as we've discussed before) ravers are less overtly sexual
in their behavior (especially compared to the cruisy alcohol-fueled club scene).


I know that I meet lots of gay (primarily male) ravers out and about  --perhaps
because of the circles I travel in?  ...though I'm a straight woman, many of my
closest friends are gay men. But I also know that a lot of my gay friends
complain that they see so few gays when they go out (which is why I am the
unofficial president of the Cute Boys Dating Service, yep, you too can sign
up!).

Where are the gay men and women who would be at home in our scene?  Going to gay
clubs for the music fix, but hating the shallow cruisy scene?  Staying home
alone or with friends, rather than feeling out of place when they go out?

One thing about the rave scene is that we are really open to people as
individuals expressing themselves, and the people who belong are attracted by
that freedom to be who they are.  I know there must be a lot of gay men and
women who would be so happy to see what our world is like, who would love the
music and the vibe, and could add a lot of love and diversity to the community.
Same thing for racial and cultural diversity, age diversity, whatever.  

It would be great for each of us to be aware of how we'd all benefit from more
diversity that way, and think about someone we know who gay (or whatever) who
would "get it" and bring them to a party soon.  There's nothing like hearing
someone say (as David's new friend said to me yesteray at Sunset) "I can't
believe how great it is to be somewhere where everyone is so free and happy" and
knowing that another person's life has been improved because of this wonderful
community.

June 30 is Pride Day, and we talked about having a SFR contingent of some sort
in the dance area -- mark your calendars, I'll definitely be there with my crew,
and will post my whereabouts etc ahead of time -- what a great chance to
introduce our vibe to some new people that day!  

Leslie  : )

P.S.    David Ginsburg talked about Electrolush in Seattle as an example of a
really mixed club -- and it definitely is, a big crazy party with club kids and
drag queens and everybody shows up.

But that represents Seattle in general too -- up there, because there are fewer
people and less choices of places to go, people are much better at intermixing
everywhere -- even Neighbors, which is the old-school gay club with cheesy house
music and one of the few after-hours licenses around, is more mixed than most SF
gay dance clubs.  Almost every club there is mixed, men/women, straight/gay.

But I know that lots of the ravers I know wouldn't like Electrolush's dress up,
drink a cocktail, see-and-be-seen energy, not to mention the gangsta element
that hangs there too (I've had a few friends almost meet their maker due to
homophobic encounters there.)

SF certainly has as many mixed scenes here -- our club scene in general is more
active, bigger, crazier -- but maybe not as friendly as Seattle, because it's
just a bigger place here with more people.  Plus I think a lot of gays moved to
SF to have a life where they work, play, live, socialize in a world that is
mostly gay, and they don't have to mix with the judgmental part of the straight
world, and because of the size of the gay communinity, that's possible to do.





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Cheesybackrub
Vicks 'n' whitegloves
wide eyed pleas :
"will you go on holidays with me ?"

Mr. Reach fo' de Sky



At 04:44 PM 6/17/96 -0400, you wrote:
>He he he : )
>
>
>..Reach for the skiiiii, higher and higher and higher....watch out for the
>Rave Alarm...
>Circa 93, was that Snap?
>
>
           	


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> signs that youve just danced your ass off to the hottest set of your
> life...
> 
> 1. smiles smiles smiles!
> 1. you begin to wonder where you learned the amazing footwork you are
> doing. 
> 1. you are so into the groove...eyes closed...hands waving crazily in the
> air...you lookk around and everyone else is waving their hands crazily in
> the air too 
> 1. for two days afterwards you are hearing music in your head
> 1. when the music stopped...no one stops dancing 
> 1. even your underwear are dripping with sweat.


1. you didn't know your smile could get so wide
1. you keep bursting into peals of laughter
1. you may have just put your back out and you don't care


		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Good morning everyones!!!!

I know were all bright eyed and bushy tailed this fantastik Monday
morning.....  

And looky there, Five fun filled days of mindless 8-5 work days lie in the
horizon.  
Yep, & that's not including the teeth gritting mind numbing rush our traffic
to and from your workplace (heh, heh, heh...).


Oh, Im sorry... I tend to be a  few   fries short of a Happy Meal on Mondays.

Anyways,  If anyone had a somewhat OK weekend, it was a hellofa lot better
than mine...

Friday:  Nikita.   For the record - I hate clubs. 
                                                                   Totally
dispise them...  
I did C/U for a while, but even that became a little too glamish...  The main
reason why I dislike clubs so isn't the music (I had a lot of house
exposure), nor the cover , not even the fact that a club is thier to make
money.... The reason why clubs leave a bitter taste in my mouth is the
vibe...  

Very little vibe, in fact.

I think other people had a great time @ Nikita but for me, no.    The music
was good, but it was mainly the same type of euro-techno / trance that Evo
and Cyr have been playing for awhile.  No earth shattering mixes.
And (the most depressing point) every time I asked anyone (fem or male) what
they thought of the music,  I was looked as if I were devising some new
pickup line.
Aside from smiling E-babes and alchoI, I only  lingered a few  hours and took
off.....

Saturday:
Was fun...
 I ran around a few places and said hi to a lot of faces.   Monolith was
saturday nite which I got to 'round 1:15...  The remainder of MARS set was
OKdoing a lot of new and olde tunes that I danced too... But durnig Mystr-E's
set I fell ill with severe nausiea that I traced back to a cheese
quesedia(sp?) , that kept me off the dance floor and hugging a trash can for
roughly 3 hrs...
I left @ 5AM... Im sure Monolith was fab.  I just wasn't there, really...


But, I guess we all have one of THOSE weekends every once and a while......


"Dance with me..."

-Adam
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Thanks to New Moon Collective for another great excursion onto unspoiled 
beach, for another gathering + celebration of beauty and insanity, for 
putting all the work into the party, for the wonderful location, far from 
sf, amazing sky and ocean and goat(?) rocks, and stuff.

Thanks to Justin for the ride! not only for me but my 3 rave-virgin 
friends :)

Thanks to all the friendly people that came up and made it all so 
wonderful. It was great to see people from last year's New Moon 
gathering! and meet lots more!

Thanks to Ann and all the others that put it on, sorry i can't remember 
more names...another perfect party!

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At 1:58 PM -0700 6/17/96, jess wrote:
>> signs that youve just danced your ass off to the hottest set of your
>> life...


You came down and didn't realize it.
You smoke three cigs in a row.
You leave the party hungry.
You start offering your roommates furniture for the DAT

:^)



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Ya, go used!  Mr. Mix @ 408.977.5444.  Or email him @ richardg@mrmix.com
for prices on refurbished decks etc.

Noah

At 12:39 PM 6/17/96, Knucklehead wrote:
>Damn! I just called somewhere to find out how much there 1200's are and
>they said $599.00. Does anyone know where they are cheaper. This place has
>low price garantee and will give you 110% of the difference. So if I can
>find a cheaper place then I can get a better deal.
>
>Tim (knucklehead)



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Although I like the sound here in the Bay Area very much, 
however last weekend no German (or friend of German hardtrance)
had to feel homesick.

Friday: WestBam/Hardsequencer at Nikita really rocked.
Good party, not too crowded, and after Hardsequencer had a
very good set already (12.30-2am) WestBam showed his ability
(2-4am) and blowed me away.

Sunday: Marusha didn't show up at Natoma St., she was sick :(
Thus Hardsequencer was the only German dj there. I liked this 
location and for a sunday night a lot of people showed up.
The djs before Hardsequencer were quite good too. Hardsequencer 
began at 1am and was not as awesome as on Friday, but his set
had its good moments.

This weekend, Paul was like my shadow. 
Everywhere I went to (Nikita, Sunset, Natoma St.), 
Paul was already there with a big smile.  :)


For those guys who missed Hardsequencer and WestBam last weekend:
There's another chance to see Hardsequencer in SF this week.
Flyers say: Wednesday at Wish, 
and Friday at Folsom 1015 again with a 4-hour set (!)

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Friday:  went to this very sweet little underground rave.  The vibe was
excellent, smiles all around and friendly familiar faces - it never got
too crowded and there was always plenty of room on the dance floor. The
space was small but tastefully decorated.  The music was excellent: ethan
spun an amazing, upbeat wacky set of my favorite trance.  I danced and had
a great time.  There was free water and food and no bathroom Nazies - All
in all an excellent party......

	Too bad it was just Renaud and Erik and me listening to tapes in
my room - y'all should've been there... :)


Saturday:  New Moon - I was so tired from finals (yes, I'm finished...!)
that I just couldn't catch the vibe on Sat. night.  I was freezing cold (I
think from being so tired) and despite many layers of clothing and a
sleeping bag, I was chilled to the bone all night.  And another thing... I
just can't get into house music - I try and try, but honestly, it doesn't
make me wanna dance.  I felt sort of sad and separate during the night
because there were all these amazing people there and good vibes, and all
I wanted to do was just be in a warm bed.  Anyway, I managed to get some
sleep and woke up just before dawn.  

Renaud and Erik and I went for a gorgeous walk down the beach just as it
started to get light.  We watched seagulls soaring and diving 
into the dark gray water.  The fog was quite
dense and cloaked everything in this beautiful earie light.  The shapes
of the rocks started to emerge and I realized what an incredibly sacred
spot this was.  Back at the rave, we ate some breakfast (always good for
lifting the spirits) and I lay under a very thick blanket watching Tracey
spin for a while - warm for the first time since the evening.  After that,
Tom started spinning a Goa set and I finally got that uncontrollable urge
to dance - that urge that uproots all my physical yearnings for sleep and
rest and plonks me down on the dance floor, not too far from a speaker and
picks up my limbs and makes them move and sway until I'm smiling,
laughing and way, way up there.  For most of Tom's set it was just Erik,
Paul, Renaud and me dancing - this really is my favorite thing - dancing
to excellent music with _lots_ of room to experiment with my body and my
friends nearby.  :)  I got that deep satisfying techno fix that I needed
so badly and felt truly released from the stresses of exams (and very very
warm indeed!)  

After that, the sun started burning off the fog and all of
a sudden it turned into one of the most beautiful days in the history of
the universe.  The water turned from a turbulent grey into a sparkling
greenish alluring blue.  A seal played in the waves right in front of our
home base for a long time.  And then some angel from heaven made us
grilled egg and cheese sandwiches.  I striped down into beach-wear, kicked
off my shoes and lay around in the luxurious sunshine watching people
(still) dancing and remembered to thank god(dess) for allowing me to be on
the planet...

Meant to go to Spundae but collapsed into a deep, dreamless, sunburnt 
sleep instead. I think I've been reborn...

I especially want to thank all of my friends at New Moon (Leslie, SDream,
Paul, Renaud, Erik and others) for reminding me that I don't need to be
the life of the party to be loved.

		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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True story that happened last Friday.  I witnessed half of this story, but
was filled in on the first details later.

A semi high ranking woman "suit" type walks into the office next to the copy
room at my work.  She walks up to the first person she sees in a staff
position and says "make me a copy of this".  Mind you one, this staff person
is not a receptionist, and two, she does not work for the demanding woman.
The staff person says "the copy room is right there" and points to it.
After acting pissed the "suit" storms into the copy room.

Here's where I come in.

I'm walking down the hall toward the copy room and there is a woman standing
in front of the shredder.  She is pondering the machine, and looks like she
doesn't understand it.  She puts her hand near the opening and I think to
myself, 'you better not do that'.  Then she pulls her hand away and proceeds
to  slide her document into the opening.  The shredder grabbs the paper out
of her hand and she jumps back startled by the noise.  She is quite
perplexed at this point then looks around the side of the machine and pulls
out the paper basket of shredded documents and gasps "A SHREDDER!!!!"  She
storms back into the office next door and if furious mumbling something
about that being her only document and she will have to write it over again.
Then she storms off again down the hall past me.

I was mildly amused until I talked to the staff person that she was trying
to order around.  Now I think it's hilarious.  

Be nice to staff people.

Rick



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It was packed!  Mark Farina, as always, was the shit.  Derick Carter missed
his flight.  So I believe it was Josh that spun after Mark.  I'd say that
Mark Farina was the high point of the night.

Noah


At 2:42 AM 6/17/96, Mark D. Camp wrote:
>> So , how did this party go?
>
>It was great!!  A perfect Sunday afternoon in the park.  My housemate and
>I arrived around 2 or so.  There were already about 20 people there.
>There were a couple of footballs and frisbee's being thrown around so we
>joined in on the fun.  Lots of dogs, including two of the cutest and
>smallest chiwawa's (SP?) i've ever seen.  It was a match made in heaven
>for these two dogs.  They were chasing the footballs that were about
>twice their size.  I finnally got to meet fellow Apple employee Tomotsu
>(wussup man!!) .  My roommate and I  brought our bikes and found a couple
>of fun trails in the park.  We ended up at this BMX bike track with jumps
>from hell.  There were a couple of kids on BMX bikes there that were
>jumping at least 10 feet in the air.  A little too crazy for me.  Back at
>the picnick grounds the music was still going when we left at 8pm.
>
>I wanted to see Derick Carter and Quench last night, but when I got home,
>I was so tired I Imediatly fell asleep.  How was it??
>
>-M
>
>                            ***ASTRONOUT***
>                          sounds textures beats



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<yawn> 

still way behind on sleep, trying again to adjust to being back in the 9-5
headspace after an incredible weekend..  

after playing phone tag with roger for a very long time, we managed to hook
up and leave berkeley around 8:30, which put us at goat rock just as it was
getting (extremeley) dark.  not many people were there when we showed up,
the fire was just being built and the stars just beginning to poke out.

right away i met lots of folks, i'm bad with names so i won't even try it :)
the site was astoundingly beautiful, i loved being able to take a break
from dancing or fire-gazing (i spent most of the night doing one of the two)
and go watch waves.. the music i liked, but didn't feel too drawn to the 
speakers till tracy came on, which was good because about then i was wishing
i'd brought a few more layers!  

some cool moments:  
 running up and down the beach with glowsticks-on-strings..thanks to whoever
   let me play with theirs :)
 eating a perfectly crisp apple with pete (are you on the list?) 
 seeing everyone's faces as morning happened
 noticing strangers pick up on my afterglowey smile once back in berkeley

the only regret i had is having to leave to make the free tibet show, and
not making it in time to help set up (next time!)

thanks so much to everyone who helped make the experience..

have a great week folks,
 justin


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Date: 17 Jun 96 21:40:50 EDT
From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM>
To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
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You know, sometimes we need reminders that raving is not only about having fun
(though we all love that part too).  Sometimes it's about something else.

I'd like to thank the New Moon crew for providing a sacred environment for an
amazing night under the stars (at least until the mist/fog came in around 4),
with the ocean and the rocks.  Maureen led a beautiful ceremony to open, that
helped us be aware of what the new moon is about, new beginnings, and to help us
acknowledge what we wanted to create with the night, and with our lives.

To me, the night was similar to the new moon itself, where you can't see what is
happening, but have to trust the cycles of the universe, and know that the
shining moon will return again.

Usually, when my state is altered, I am open to insights and epiphanies that
really change my perceptions in positive ways.  And because I have a lot of
transition in my life right now, I was hoping for that.

But Saturday, I was more introspective, and not fully aware of what was
happening for me.  It was almost like I had stepped into a place where I could
think about what I need to think about, decide what I need to decide, see what I
need to see ... but it's all done one level under your conscious awareness.  I
could feel the gears working, but wasn't sure what the machine was
manufacturing.

I do know that I had a truly magical experience (I met a young woman whose
family lives 2 miles down the road from my family's dairy farm in the middle of
nowhere, Tennessee -- and I mean nowhere -- and she's visiting there next month,
and will visit my mom's grave for me) -- and I know, as we like to say, that
it's all good.

For those of you who haven't made the trek out to this kind of party, try it
next time.  Yes, it's a haul, and yes, it can get hella cold out there ... but
when you are laying on your back watching the milky way slowly move across the
sky and satellites are criss-crossing slowly in different directions, and you're
hearing the most beautiful trance and tribal hypnotic beats,it's totally worth
it.  


Leslie  : )       (And now back to our regularly scheduled club scene!)


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You wrote: 
>
>[ to sfraves list ]
>
> There's a weekly newsprint tabloid in the South Bay called METRO. In 
this
>week's issue is an advert for the Palookaville nightclub. The advert 
lists
>two events with the word "Rave" in the title:
>
>Fri. , June 14th: Beyond Race "Live Rave"
>  9PM  All Ages   * Exotic Dance Party
>                  * Tribal Gypsy Dance Funk
>                  * Snake Goddesses
>                  * Belly Dancing                     BRING DRUMS
>
>and -
>
>Tues. , June 18th: The DEEP , Palookaville's Rave
> 9:30PM  All Ages
>
>
> So, does anyone out there in SFRaves land know anything about these? 
How
>about Palookaville in general ( I've never been there ) ?
>
> Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com
>
>
I don't know anything about these dates or parties, but I have been to 
the Palookaville. I spun there for a halloween party last year. It is 
pretty cool, not spectacular, but pretty cool. (not that this info help 
you with anything, but hey, what am I here for!)

Take care,

Greg :)

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Rick Riffle wrote:
>  
 
> Be nice to staff people.
> 
> Rick

[snip]

Rick-

Thanx for the story!

I'm sure I speak for a lot of staff people (myself included).  

We are underpaid, under-appreciated and under estimated.  Little do
most bosses know, staff people run the show.  Without us *nothing*
would get done.

Peace and WARMFUZZYKARMA to everyone!   :P

--Aaron in S.Cruz

               " Do not insult the mother alligator until after you have 
                 crossed the river."

                                                 - Hatian Proverb

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On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, SDream wrote:

> THE BAD: First let me say, this location was WAY THE HELL OUT THERE!  Dang, 
> folks, surely there's got to be a spot like this a little closer to Frisco.  
> Driving up to San Fran is bad enough.  Having to drive another hour and 1/2 
> beyond that is HELL.

	Why is an hour and a half too far to drive? If the spot cannot be 
gotten to via public trans, why not have a party at a beautiful site even 
if you have to go to Tahoe to do it? Especially for what you get, loads 
of people that have all put forth the effort to come together. For 
beaches that will not get busted and can hold a large number of people 
and can park a large number of cars, you will have to go quite aways. 

	There has been a shortage of sites that are usable out there,
especially if you are trying to do a free night party. There have been
people looking in just about every nook and cranny for the last 6 months
that have not been able to turn up an indoor location. Any indoor spot is
going to cost you money, unless you do a breakin which many people aren't
real comfortable with. Outdoor locations are also quite scarce anywhere in
the Bay Area - all of the East Bay is bustable because you are on EBMUD
land, the peninsula has a lot of good locations, but police patrol just
about every inch. The beaches between Santa Cruz and Half moon bay are 
used so much you get hoards of people who drive up and down 1 looking for 
a party with a nitrous tank in the back of their car (and a lot of 
promotor folk are somewhat against tanks of nitrous showing up at a party 
they have worked to put together for various reasons depending on the 
promotor). There are a couple sites which would be nice but getting the 
equipment in and out would be a nightmare (anyone want to give the grassy 
plateau at Fort Funston a try?).

	So why am I ranting? There is whole big separation between 
party-goer and party-organizer and I don't see why that is. The way I 
look at these things is that people are coming to gather and a few people 
have some neat toys and bring those along and get people to play with 
them all night (and the next day and the next night and then maybe it 
will be time to pack up) and people help out in the ways they see fit - 
whether it be building altars, bringing a big watermeloen to share in the 
morning, or moving speaker equipment. That is what I would consider 
community. Look at some of the old full moons when people didn't even 
know how the word got out, but when the moon got full, you started 
calling around and everyone who was going to go out had to do a little 
work and get a little bit of energy flowing just to find out where it 
was, and those parties had a nice feeling to them. Or the Light camping 
party which was a really nice weekend (for which the drive for many was 
over 5 hours) were I spent the daytimes bouncing about the Sierras with 
friends and random people that have since become good friends .
	I think that bashing commerical parties for location is justified,
after all, they are providing a service, which you the party goer have
paid good money to get into and well those promoters owe you...  but a
free party put on by people who care for those who come out is different. 
Then you are just another person on the beach and while you didn't have a 
say in the line-up, you are just as much a "promotor" as those that will 
take the blame if the cops decide to arrest someone, why not treat the 
party as such? 

dave


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I wouldn't be so blunt, but thought it might be appropriate in case this
rumor is true.  Has anyone heard anything about a bad bunch of tabs going
round.  Apparently one incident of stomach pain/illness was reported in
Sacto, I was wondering if anyone else heard anything.


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and why do I keep getting returned mail from her even though I didn't send
her anything.  It seems that all mail I sent to the list this morning (some
of which may have been rather incriminating), also went to her
[castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us]  Anyone else experience this?  It amazes me how
these things happen, how boring it would be if everything worked right all
the time.
God bless them gremlins!,
-sTeVeO

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>> THE BAD: First let me say, this location was WAY THE HELL OUT THERE!  Dang, 
>> folks, surely there's got to be a spot like this a little closer to Frisco. 
 
>> Driving up to San Fran is bad enough.  Having to drive another hour and 1/2 
>> beyond that is HELL.
>
>	Why is an hour and a half too far to drive? If the spot cannot be 

i agree with dave on this.  jim and i rode our motorcycles from the city.
it was a cold night.  my thumb was sprained, so every time i used the clutch
hurt.  jim had no gloves; how he could feel the levers at all is a miracle
to me (thank you to the woman who lent him gloves for the way back).  by the
time we got there, we were both in real pain.

and so getting there, to the people and the fire and the music, was like
coming home to a world of subdued bliss.  the long, painful ride separated
the rave from ordinary life.

e



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All acid is bad... yechh...

> I wouldn't be so blunt, but thought it might be appropriate in case this
> rumor is true.  Has anyone heard anything about a bad bunch of tabs going
> round.  Apparently one incident of stomach pain/illness was reported in
> Sacto, I was wondering if anyone else heard anything.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 17 23:59:28 1996
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Dunno.. it's like my ex-girlfriend... I keep doing it every six 
months to remind myself why I hate it so much :)

> > All acid is bad... yechh...
> >
> 
> why do you say that?
> 
> just curious, this is not an attack.

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hello all-

i have an apology to make to those of the sfraves community.

I"M SORRY!  for what, you might ask?  well, i have officially flaked on
the yosemite trip idea that i tried to take over.  life has been
wonderfully busy for quite a while, and i should have realized that before
i attempted to take on a responsibility that was too large for me.

so, I"M SORRY, and i feel rather guilty about flaking on the 20+ people
who were interested.  if there is anybody who wished to pick up the
torch. just ask!

thanks for all your kindness and consideration, and most importantly, your
love.

peace, love, and a little sorrow-

matt l


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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Who the hell is Stephanie Powell?
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< and why do I keep getting returned mail from her even though I didn't
send her anything.  It
< seems that all mail I sent to the list this morning (some of which may
have been rather
< incriminating), also went to her [castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us]  Anyone else
experience this?
< It  amazes me how these things happen, how boring it would be if
everything worked right
< all the time. God bless them gremlins!, -sTeVeO

If you think we we're suprised...(It happened to me on thurs.)...She's
probably out of her head
with the volume of "RAVER" mail passing through her mailbox.


                                                                  Take
Care,
                                                                           
       Jason

  

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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: New Moon People
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<<   by your friends, adding music, nature and love.)   {Wayne}

Oh so true!

Last year's New Moon was my first beach party, Tim's first, and an
unforgetable experience
for the other four virgin Ravers I hauled out from Sacto. in the van-beast.

I would like to thank all of the wonderful smiling faces who helped, in
many ways, to make this
weekend's New Moon such a special time for all of us.

Without help from all the ravers attending, we could not have gotten all of
the equipment
"OUT" onto the beach and back again. ( A monumental task, you must agree. )

Greetings to those people I met; and through these ramblings, I hope to
imprint their names
into my cerebrium....      (I'm very bad with names and I want to know you
all)

--Ann--  for returning me to the ocean when all good things must come to an
end
--Maureen-- master of beautiful ceremonies...(sorry about your pretty
candle)
--Justin-- first new sfraver met at the fire, a little cold eh?
--Aleph-- 2nd sfraver encountered, kept me company throughout my war
against sleep
--Larry-- must have had the muchies in mind while bakin' those chocolate
chip cookies
--James-- for being so upbeat, and carting the food stuffs so I could cook
breakfast sunday
--Melanie-- showing up unexpected from sacto. for me to hug
--Leslie-- the hip lady from tribal future with the contagous smile
--Jess-- for thinking me an angel
--Tony-- turning the new moon into a full moon on sunday (anyone get a
picture?)
--Tim-- always willing to wake n' bake with me
--Victoria (?)-- goat cheese and avacado for my eggs....mmmmmmmmm
--anonymous-- brought eggs, cheese, and bread to feed us after the pancakes
ran out
--Biojeff and the rest of our Family-- showed sunday afternoon to spin and
dance with us
--Tom Knight-- patient and overworked driver throughout the long weekend
--Goat Rock Beach rangers-- for leaving us alone in our temporary universe

Sun is rising, "Time to go..."


                                                               Take Care,
                                                                           
     Jason











 
                                                                      





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		A  D  R  E  N  A  L  I  N     R  E  C  O  R  D  S

			   R  E  L  E  A  S  E  S


JUNE:


	o   Electro Phunk Vol. 1 - New school Electro 
		Continuously Mixed by DJ HARDWARE & DJ SHARPe
			Tracks:
			
			611 grooves - "I Like It"
			RAC - "Double Jointed"
			RAC - "Quexos"
			Stem - "Radiotron"
			OSC - "Return Of the Great"
			Sem - "Phox"
			Uberzone - "Synthetik"
			Africa Bambaata & The Soulsonic Force -
				"Don't Stop The Planet Rock"
				  (Classic Mix by Electrik Music)
			The Techfunkers - "Don't Stop"
			Anoesis - "Heavy Water"

JULY:
	
	o  TRIP-HOP ACID PHUNK VOL. 3 : The Hard Edition
		Continuously Mixed by DJ HARDWARE

			Track List:
		 
 Thursday Club - "A Place Called Acid"
 Cotten Club - "Here the Drummer"  
 Chris & James - "Calm Down" (kingsize Remix)
 DJ Voodoo & The Liquid Method -"Everyone Thinks I'm High and I Am"   
 The Wizard Of OH - "Terminal Intensity"
 Uberzone - "Botz" (Organik Mix)
 DJ Voodoo & The Liquid Method - "Slam"
 The Wizard Of OH - "Off To The Dimention X"
 The Crystal Method - "Keep Hope Alive"
 Mystery Men - "Stomp Ya Feet"


		o BEAT GENERATOR : Progressive Hardhouse
			Continuously Mixed By DJ HARDWARE

			Track Lists:

	Baktun 13 - "Tribe"
	Markus Shultz - "Engine Engine #9"
	Brooks - "Jet"
	DJ Lace - "Take Me Higher"
	Love Science - "Loose Control"
	Scotti Deep - "Brooklyn Beats"
	Two Obsessed - "Together"
	D&T  - "Up & Down"
	Top Kat - "Feel Cool"
	Night Tripper - "Tone Exploitation" (Rabbit in the Moon Remix)



July 12" SINGLE RELEASES:
	
	o The Tweakers - "All Tweaked Out"
		Written, Produced and mixed by DJ HARDWARE & DJ REMIX
			Remixes BY:
			   DJ Voodoo & DJ Donavan for Black Magic Prod.
			   Stryke 

	o Stryke - "Acid Music"
		Written, Produced and Mixed by Stryke
			Remixed by:
				The Tweakers
				Kelly D
				Plus Others..........


AUGUST:


		o ADRENALIN RUSH : The Trance Acid Experience Vol.1
				In The Mix With MICRO, NYC
			
		Track Lists:
			Micro & Viscious Vic - "Impact" (Pure Mix)
			The Stickmen - "The Shaker"
			RE 2 Or 1 - "ESUOH" (Simons Come Unity Mix)
			Paradise 30001 - "Long Distance Call To Heaven"
						(Progression Remix)
			Kimbal / Dekkard - "Starlife"
			Pendulum - "I Need You" (Mindwarp Remix)
			M.B.Ant - "First Session"
			The Five Magic Beans -"Time Bomb"(Josh Wink Remix)
			Baby Doc & The Dentist - "Mantra"(Hardfloor Remix)
			Brainvibe II - "It's Hot" (Whippenberg Mix)
			


	o ADRENALIN HARDCORE RUSH VOL.2 : PURE HARDCORE GABBER OVERLOAD
		Continuously Mixed By DJ HARDWARE
			
			Track Lists:
			
			DJ Alex - "Say What"
			DJ OH OH Omar Santana - "Boy Is Banging"
			The New York Terrorist - "Slamma Jamma"
			Predator Vs. Wedlock - "Get Down
			Wedlock - "Ruffneck(Sound of the Drum & The Bass)
			Carjacker - "Time To Motivate"
			El Bruto - "Are You Down"
			The New York Connection - "Ain't it Wild"
			Stingray & Sonicdriver - "Power of Darkness"
			Source Code - "Dawn of Terror"
			Insane - "Kiss My Ass"
			



AUGUST 12" RELEASES:

			o Cotten Club - "Here The Drummer" (US Remixes)
				Written, Produced & Mixed By Cotten Club
				Remixes:
					To Be Announced.........

			o Plastix - "Brr Babba" (US Remixes)
				Written, Produced & Mixed By Plastix
				Remixes:
					To Be Announced............






	M  U  S  I  C     W  I  T  H     A      R   U   S   H  


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> > > > Hello all Raves List Subscribers. My name is DJ Hardware & I'm the 
> > > > director of A&R at Adrenalin Records in New York. i currently live in 
> > > > South Florida where I base the A& R office for Adrenalin Records. I'm 
> > > > looking for DJ Gigs all over USA and abroad where 
> > > > I have not played yet. Currently I have 7 mixed CD's out on Adrenalin 
> > > > Records in stores throught the world. They are:
> > > > 		- Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol 1
> > > > 		- Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol 2  
> > > > 		- Acid warfare vol 1
> > > > 		- House Stompin'
> > > > 		- Adrenalin Hardcore Rush
> > > > 	        - Trip-Hop Acid Phunk vol 3 : The Hard Edition
> > > > 		- Electro Phunk 
> > > > 	        - Beat Generator
> > > > 
> > > > 	and a 12" single BY :THE TWEAKER called "All Tweaked Out"
> > > > 		With remixes by DJ Voodoo & The liquid Method
> > > > 				          	and Stryke
> > > If anyone is intrested in booking me at a club or event please contact me 
> > > at the Adrenalin Records Offices in Florida for more information at (407) 
> > > > 495 - 9954 or the Fax number at (407) 495 - 3919 or Email me at 
> > > > hardware@gate.net. 
> > > > 
> > > > 					Thanks for your time......
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 							DJ HARDWARE
> > > > 						      ADRENALIN RECORDS
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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From: Kathryn Ankrum <kathank@crl.com>
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Disclaimer: Non-rave

Hi Everyone, 

I couldn't resist passing this on...maybe it'll help you fill those long 
hours at work.

Good luck.

:)
Kathryn

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>From: ralfred@igc.org (Randy Alfred)
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>
>>
>>     Alright people, now there is no excuse! You THINK you
>>remember everything about when you grew up - that magnificent decade
>>called the Eighties. Well, here's a slight quiz to test your knowledge.
>>Don't be fooled by some of the easy questions, for there are others that
>>you'll agonize over because you can remember their faces, but their names
>>are lost somewhere in your subconscious. And, oh, this may be a bit hard
>>for non-Americans, but try to relate anyway! after you blow your mind, send
>>it to fellow 80's children and see if they remember the days of Fruit
>>Roll-Ups and Menudo as well as they say they do. Good luck and have fun!
>>
>>
>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>>
>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
>>     80's?
>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
>>     Luck?"
>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
>>     "The Wonder Years?"
>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
>>     caught on fire?
>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
>>     Shortcake)
>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
>>     record in 1987?
>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
>>     his zany foreign cousin?
>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
>>     years
>>     later
>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>     name of his boss?
>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
>>     in?
>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
>>     Tony Thompson?
>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
>>     Show?"
>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
>>     principal named Joe Clark?
>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
>>     Alien3)
>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
>>     name?
>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
>>     Albert Show?"
>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
>>     generation?
>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
>>     Red Balloons")?
>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
>>68. So, who shot JR?
>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
>>     Island"?
>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
>>
>
>
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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Hi,  Im DJ Happyguy And I've figured out that I can contact the virtual world
and let gazillions of people know that I want to DJ in YOUR town...

Even to you people that don't care to know, guess what?  Im for sale...  

And pretty soon, I'll be selling my CD's, T-shirts, and watches Via E-mail as
well.....


(Sniff, sniff do I smell Corperate America knocking on Sfrave's door???)


"Dance with me...."

Adam
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Hey "DJ Happyguy" what's up with your GMT time listing, it always throws me
off ?

p.s.  I've got some neon glow in the dark rave-christs for sale, are any
punters interested ?

Kiron




At 05:48 PM 6/18/96 GMT, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi,  Im DJ Happyguy And I've figured out that I can contact the virtual world
>and let gazillions of people know that I want to DJ in YOUR town...
>
>Even to you people that don't care to know, guess what?  Im for sale...  
>
>And pretty soon, I'll be selling my CD's, T-shirts, and watches Via E-mail as
>well.....
>
>
>(Sniff, sniff do I smell Corperate America knocking on Sfrave's door???)
>
>
>"Dance with me...."
>
>Adam
>____________________________
>Transmitted from Computer Attic
>SuperCenter:  (415) 363-8100
>Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500
>____________________________
>
>
" As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed,
the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental 
intrusion"

Judge Stewart Dalzell's ruling last week regarding the Communications
Decency Act.       	


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Date: 18 Jun 96 13:42:13 EDT
From: Leslie Ayres <71165.755@CompuServe.COM>
To: "sfraves@hyperreal.com" <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
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Matt L wrote us an apology about dropping the ball on the Yosemite trip ....
_____________

Hey Matt,

On behalf of all of the people who were interested in the Yosemite trip...
(OK, OK I know I can only speak for myself!)  .... please don't feel you've
flaked on us ... cuz the truth is that every single person who said they wanted
to go, but wasn't working with you to make it work, is also responsible for it
not happening....

You know the story of the farmer (oh god, was it a chicken?) who said, who'll
help me plow this field?  and no one offered to help. "who'll help me plant
these seeds?"  no one .... "who'll help me harvest this wheat?"  no one ....
"who'll help me bake this bread?"  then..... "who'll help me eat this bread?"
"I WILL!  I WILL!  I WILL!"

I myself have been feeling like I had slipped on checking in about this, plus
I'm so busy, I couldn't have made it anyway!

I wonder if we should start loooking at a much later date so we can get a great
place with plenty of notice?  (Hey, not that I'm volunteering or anything!)

Leslie  : )


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*REALLY*, I don't see what the problem is with someone posting info about 
DJ bookings + records and CDs for sale to these lists.  DJ Hardware is 
cool, and Adrenaline is a respected underground label...  It's not like 
it's someone from Moonshine trying to push Keoki on us :)

___________________________________________________________________
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ugh. well.. shall we make this a communal effort? here's what i got.. i'm
sure all you "old-timers" will have an easier time than me (at least with
the stuff other than cartoons)

>>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>>>
>>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
>>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
>>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
>>>     80's?
>>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
mork (sp?)
>>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
>>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
reece's pieces
>>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
>>>     Luck?"
>>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
>>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the later
series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.
>>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
>>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
>>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
>>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
>>>     "The Wonder Years?"
gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?
>>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
>>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
>>>     caught on fire?
>>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
>>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
>>>     Shortcake)
hucklberry pie, ?, ?
>>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
"knowing is half the battle"
>>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
the sugarcubes
>>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
>>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
>>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
>>>     record in 1987?
george michael.
>>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
>>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
donny, jordon, ?, ?, ?
>>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
>>>     his zany foreign cousin?
>>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
>>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
the swedish chef.
>>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
>>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
>>>     years
>>>     later
>>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
>>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
>>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
>>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
>>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
>>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
>>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
>>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
>>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
>>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
>>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
blinky, pinky, winky, and ? (all i remember is that it doesn't rhyme)
>>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
>>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
>>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
>>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>>     name of his boss?
>>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
>>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
>>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
>>>     in?
the mystery machine
>>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
>>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
>>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
>>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
>>>     Tony Thompson?
>>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
>>>     Show?"
>>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
>>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
"avoid the noid"
>>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
>>>     principal named Joe Clark?
>>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
>>>     Alien3)
>>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
>>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
>>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
>>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
pooky
>>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
>>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
>>>     name?
gargamel and azrael
>>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
>>>     Albert Show?"
>>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
>>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
>>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
>>>     generation?
>>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
>>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
>>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
>>>     Red Balloons")?
>>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
>>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
>>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
>>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
>>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
>>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
REM, ?
>>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
>>>68. So, who shot JR?
the fucking FBI/masons/aliens
>>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
>>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
>>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
>>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
>>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
is it bauhaus?
>>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
>>>     Island"?
>>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
>>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
>>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
>>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
>>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
>>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
ben johnson
>>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
>>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?

hmm.. well, maybe i didn't do as well as i originally thought. 
please, enlighten me!


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...chances are you've enhanced the quality of my life in some way, whether
actively or passively, even if it was only in some positive vibes that
wandered my way.  And because of this, I just wanted to say:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

Love, hugz, & smiles,

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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, John Deatherage wrote:

> 
> *REALLY*, I don't see what the problem is with someone posting info about 
> DJ bookings + records and CDs for sale to these lists.  DJ Hardware is 
> cool, and Adrenaline is a respected underground label...  It's not like 
> it's someone from Moonshine trying to push Keoki on us :)

Maybe because all they do is advertise. I think it is great when people 
let us know what new CD's are out, etc. but when that is all they do, I 
get the feeling that they see S.F. Raves as some kind of billboard, and 
nothing more. 

                                          Black Adder


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STRYCHNINE!

;)

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:

[. . .]
> round.  Apparently one incident of stomach pain/illness was reported in
> Sacto, I was wondering if anyone else heard anything.


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From: Maren Ault <rault@holly.ColoState.EDU>
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the New Kids on the Block answer:  Donnie Wahlberg, Jordan and Jonathan 
Knight, Joe McIntrye, and Danny Wood....
damn I'm good!!!!
Rah-nay

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Paradyne 99 wrote:

> ugh. well.. shall we make this a communal effort? here's what i got.. i'm
> sure all you "old-timers" will have an easier time than me (at least with
> the stuff other than cartoons)
> 
> >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
> >>>
> >>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
> >>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
> >>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
> >>>     80's?
> >>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
> mork (sp?)
> >>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
> >>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
> reece's pieces
> >>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
> >>>     Luck?"
> >>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
> >>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
> Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the later
> series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.
> >>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
> >>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
> >>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
> >>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
> >>>     "The Wonder Years?"
> gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?
> >>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
> >>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
> >>>     caught on fire?
> >>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
> >>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
> >>>     Shortcake)
> hucklberry pie, ?, ?
> >>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
> "knowing is half the battle"
> >>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
> the sugarcubes
> >>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
> >>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
> >>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
> >>>     record in 1987?
> george michael.
> >>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
> >>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
> donny, jordon, ?, ?, ?
> >>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
> >>>     his zany foreign cousin?
> >>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
> >>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
> fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
> the swedish chef.
> >>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
> >>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
> >>>     years
> >>>     later
> >>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
> >>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
> >>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
> >>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
> >>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
> >>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
> >>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
> >>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
> >>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
> >>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
> >>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
> blinky, pinky, winky, and ? (all i remember is that it doesn't rhyme)
> >>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
> >>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
> >>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
> >>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
> >>>     name of his boss?
> >>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
> >>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
> >>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
> >>>     in?
> the mystery machine
> >>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
> >>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
> >>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
> >>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
> >>>     Tony Thompson?
> >>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
> >>>     Show?"
> >>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
> >>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
> "avoid the noid"
> >>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
> >>>     principal named Joe Clark?
> >>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
> >>>     Alien3)
> >>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
> >>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
> >>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
> >>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
> pooky
> >>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
> >>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
> >>>     name?
> gargamel and azrael
> >>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
> >>>     Albert Show?"
> >>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
> >>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
> >>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
> >>>     generation?
> >>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
> >>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
> >>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
> >>>     Red Balloons")?
> >>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
> >>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
> >>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
> >>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
> >>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
> >>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
> >>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
> REM, ?
> >>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
> >>>68. So, who shot JR?
> the fucking FBI/masons/aliens
> >>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
> >>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
> >>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
> >>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
> >>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
> is it bauhaus?
> >>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
> >>>     Island"?
> >>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
> >>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
> >>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
> >>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
> >>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
> >>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
> ben johnson
> >>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
> >>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
> 
> hmm.. well, maybe i didn't do as well as i originally thought. 
> please, enlighten me!
> 
> 

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>>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
>>>     80's?
Echo and the Bunnymen
>>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
Mork
>>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
Reeces Pieces
>>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
Joy Division
>>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
>>>     "The Wonder Years?"
Winnie (I had a crush on her), ??
>>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
>>>     caught on fire?
Pepsi
>>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
Sugarcubes
>>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
>>>     record in 1987?
George Michael

>>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
Kermit, Miss Piggy, ..............

>>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
Smiths
>>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
WHERE'S THE BEEF???
>>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>>     name of his boss?
Kitt, Devon (Anyone remember what KITT stands for??)
>>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
>>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
Tiffany
>>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
>>>     Tony Thompson?
Reflex??
>>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
Something about the Noid......
>>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
M - ???
>>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
Izack
>>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
>>>     name?
Gargamel or something like that.
>>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
>>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
Whiffle Ball
>>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?

>>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
>>>     Red Balloons")?
Nina??
>>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
Vince Clark
>>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
>>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
80MPH
>>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
>>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
B-52's, REM
>>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
Batian (READ THE BOOK!!  Its really good)
>>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
"Dont You Forget About Me" Simple Minds
>>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
Tootee, ??????
>>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
>>>     Island"?
Mr. Rorck (SP?) and Tatoo

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Okay, I grew up in the 80's too...  My contribuitions below...
Damn I watched a lot of TV :)

Smiles,
	Chin

 > the New Kids on the Block answer:  Donnie Wahlberg, Jordan and Jonathan 
 > Knight, Joe McIntrye, and Danny Wood....
 > damn I'm good!!!!
 > Rah-nay
 > 
 > On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Paradyne 99 wrote:
 > 
 > > ugh. well.. shall we make this a communal effort? here's what i got.. i'm
 > > sure all you "old-timers" will have an easier time than me (at least with
 > > the stuff other than cartoons)
 > > 
 > > >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
 > > >>>
 > > >>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
 > > >>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
 Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, Demi Moore, Andrew McCarthy, Judd Nelson, 
 Ally Sheedy
 > > >>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
 Echo and the Bunnymen
 > > >>>     80's?
 > > >>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
 > > mork (sp?)
 > > >>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
 > > >>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
 > > reece's pieces
 > > >>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
 > > >>>     Luck?"
 > > >>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
 Then Again, Maybe I won't, Ramona, Are You there god, it's me margaret
 > > >>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
 > > Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the later
 > > series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.
 > > >>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
 > > >>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
 The Hall of Justice
 > > >>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
 Joy Division?  Not sure
 > > >>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
 > > >>>     "The Wonder Years?"
 > > gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?
 > > >>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
 Muffet?  And wasn't it a dog?                 
 > > >>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
 > > >>>     caught on fire?
 > > >>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
 > > >>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
 > > >>>     Shortcake)
 > > hucklberry pie, ?, ?
 > > >>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
 > > "knowing is half the battle"
 > > >>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
 > > the sugarcubes
 > > >>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
 > > >>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
 > > >>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
 > > >>>     record in 1987?
 > > george michael.
 > > >>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
 > > >>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
 > > donny, jordon, ?, ?, ?
 > > >>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
 > > >>>     his zany foreign cousin?
 Perfect strangers
 > > >>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
 
 Linda Hamilton
 > > >>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
 > > fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
 > > the swedish chef.
 > > >>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
 > > >>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
 > > >>>     years
 > > >>>     later
 > > >>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
 > > >>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
 > > >>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
 Daryl Hanna
 > > >>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
 > > >>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
 > > >>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
 > > >>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
 Poison, Warrant, ummmm...  Enuff Z'Nuff?  ;)
 > > >>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
 The Genesis Planet
 > > >>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
 Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?
 > > >>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
 "Where's the Beef?"
 > > >>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
 > > blinky, pinky, winky, and ? (all i remember is that it doesn't rhyme)
 > > >>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
 > > >>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
 > > >>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
 > > >>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
 > > >>>     name of his boss?
 KITT
 > > >>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
 Gary Coleman
 > > >>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
 > > >>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
 > > >>>     in?
 > > the mystery machine
 > > >>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
 > > >>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
 > > >>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
 > > >>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
 > > >>>     Tony Thompson?
 Power Station?
 > > >>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
 > > >>>     Show?"
 > > >>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
 > > >>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
 > > "avoid the noid"
 > > >>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
 > > >>>     principal named Joe Clark?
 > > >>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
 > > >>>     Alien3)
 > > >>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
 Lea Thompson
 > > >>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
 Breakfast Club, Pretty In Pink, Weird Science, Sixteen Candles, Some
 Kind of Wonderful... Ummm.. can't think of a sixth
 > > >>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
 > > >>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
 > > pooky
 > > >>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
 
 Isaac
 > > >>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
 > > >>>     name?
 > > gargamel and azrael
 > > >>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
 > > >>>     Albert Show?"
 > > >>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
 > > >>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
 > > >>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
 > > >>>     generation?
 Lynn Kyle?  Did he die? 
 > > >>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
 The General Lee
 > > >>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
 > > >>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
 > > >>>     Red Balloons")?
 > > >>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
 > > >>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
 > > >>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
 > > >>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
 > > >>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
 Back to the future, but I can't remeber the speed.  88?  90? 100?
 > > >>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
 > > >>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
 > > REM, ?
 > > >>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
 > > >>>68. So, who shot JR?
 > > the fucking FBI/masons/aliens
 > > >>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
 > > >>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
 > > >>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
 
 Simple Minds
 > > >>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
 > > >>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
 > > is it bauhaus?
 > > >>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
 > > >>>     Island"?
 Mr. Rourke and Tatoo
 > > >>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
 Tweeky?  Something like that
 > > >>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
 > > >>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
 > > >>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
 
 Maverick
 > > >>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
 > > >>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
 > > ben johnson
 > > >>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
 > > >>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
 > > 
 > > hmm.. well, maybe i didn't do as well as i originally thought. 
 > > please, enlighten me!
 > > 
 > > 
> > 
> 
> 


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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Paradyne 99 wrote:

> ugh. well.. shall we make this a communal effort? here's what i got.. i'm
> sure all you "old-timers" will have an easier time than me (at least with
> the stuff other than cartoons)

Hey, who are you calling "old-timer"? I like the communal idea...here are 
my additions.

Kathryn

> 
> >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
> >>>
> >>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
"Do They Know It's Christmas"?
> >>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
Emilio Estavez, Molly Ringwald, Emilio Estavez's brother...?
> >>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
> >>>     80's?
> >>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
> mork (sp?)
> >>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
> >>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
> reece's pieces
> >>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
> >>>     Luck?"
> >>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
Cleary: Ramona, Ribsy, ??
> >>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
> Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the later
> series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.
> >>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
> >>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
> >>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
> >>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
> >>>     "The Wonder Years?"
> gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?
> >>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
> >>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
> >>>     caught on fire?
Pepsi
> >>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
> >>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
> >>>     Shortcake)
> hucklberry pie, ?, ?
> >>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
> "knowing is half the battle"
> >>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
> the sugarcubes
> >>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
> >>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
> >>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
> >>>     record in 1987?
> george michael.
> >>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
> >>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
> donny, jordon, ?, ?, ?
> >>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
> >>>     his zany foreign cousin?
> >>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
> >>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
> fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
> the swedish chef.
> >>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
> >>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
> >>>     years
> >>>     later
Jennifer Grey
> >>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
Richie Valens?
> >>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
The Smiths
> >>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
Darryl Hannah
> >>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
> >>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
> >>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
> >>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
> >>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
> >>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
> >>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
"Where's the beef?"
> >>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
> blinky, pinky, winky, and ? (all i remember is that it doesn't rhyme)
> >>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
> >>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
> >>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
> >>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
> >>>     name of his boss?
> >>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
> >>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
> >>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
> >>>     in?
> the mystery machine
> >>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
Masterbation?
> >>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
> >>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
> >>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
> >>>     Tony Thompson?
> >>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
> >>>     Show?"
> >>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
> >>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
> "avoid the noid"
> >>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
> >>>     principal named Joe Clark?
> >>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
> >>>     Alien3)
> >>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
> >>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, ??
> >>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
Video Killed the Radio Star?
> >>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
> pooky
> >>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
> >>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
> >>>     name?
> gargamel and azrael
> >>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
> >>>     Albert Show?"
> >>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
> >>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
Whiffle ball? 
> >>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
> >>>     generation?
> >>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
> >>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
> >>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
> >>>     Red Balloons")?
> >>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
> >>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
> >>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
Dexie's Midnight somethings?? God, am I old.
> >>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
> >>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
> >>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
> >>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
> REM, the B52s
> >>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
> >>>68. So, who shot JR?
> the fucking FBI/masons/aliens. No way--it was some obscure cousin.
> >>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
> >>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
> >>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
Simple Minds
> >>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
> >>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
> is it bauhaus? Thought it was Souixie and the Banshees
> >>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
> >>>     Island"?
Mr. Rourke and Tatoo
> >>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
> >>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
> >>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
> >>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
> >>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
> >>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
> ben johnson
> >>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
> >>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
> 
> hmm.. well, maybe i didn't do as well as i originally thought. 
> please, enlighten me!
> 
> 



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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Paradyne 99 wrote:

> ugh. well.. shall we make this a communal effort? here's what i got.. i'm
> sure all you "old-timers" will have an easier time than me (at least with
> the stuff other than cartoons)
> 
> >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
> >>>
> >>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
> >>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
> >>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
> >>>     80's? 
            ***** Echo & The Bunnymen
> >>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
> mork (sp?)
> >>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
> >>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
> reece's pieces
> >>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
> >>>     Luck?"
> >>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
> >>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
> Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the later
> series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.
> >>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
> >>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
> >>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?  ***Joy Division
> >>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
> >>>     "The Wonder Years?"
> gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?
> >>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
> >>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
> >>>     caught on fire? ****Pepsi
> >>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
> >>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
> >>>     Shortcake)
> hucklberry pie, ?, ?
> >>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
> "knowing is half the battle"
> >>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
> the sugarcubes
> >>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
> >>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
> >>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
> >>>     record in 1987?
> george michael.> 
>>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
> >>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block              ****Raymond
> donny, jordon, ?, ?, ?
> >>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
> >>>     his zany foreign cousin?
> >>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
> >>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
> fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
> the swedish chef.
> >>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
> >>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
> >>>     years
> >>>     later   ****Jennifer Grey
> >>>27. Who was
 the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"? Richie Valens
> >>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 
80's?   **** The Smiths
> >>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
         *** Darrah Hannah
> >>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
> >>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
> >>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
> >>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
> >>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
> >>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"> >>>35. What was the famo
us line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads? **** Where's The Beef?
> >>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
> blinky, pinky, winky, and ? (all i remember is that it doesn't rhyme)
> >>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
> >>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
> >>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
> >>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
> >>>     name of his boss?  ***** K.I.T.T. / Devon
> >>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
> >>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
> >>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
> >>>     in?
> the mystery machine
> >>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
> >>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
> >>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
                 *****  Tiffany
> >>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
> >>>     Tony Thompson?  
> >>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
> >>>     Show?"
> >>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
           **** Blanche, Dorothy, Rose and Mom;)
> >>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
> "avoid the noid"
> >>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
> >>>     principal named Joe Clark?
> >>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
> >>>     Alien3)
> >>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
> >>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
> >>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
> >>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
> pooky
> >>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
> >>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
> >>>     name?
> gargamel and azrael
> >>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
> >>>     Albert Show?"
> >>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
> >>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
> >>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
> >>>     generation?
> >>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
            **** the General Lee
> >>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
> >>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
> >>>     Red Balloons")?
> >>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
> >>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
> >>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
> >>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
> >>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
           **** 80 MPH
> >>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
> >>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
> REM, ?     **** and The B52's
> >>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
> >>>68. So, who shot JR?
> the fucking FBI/masons/aliens
> >>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
> >>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
> >>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
> >>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
> >>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
> is it bauhaus?
> >>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
> >>>     Island"?
> >>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
> >>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
> >>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
> >>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
> >>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
> >>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
> ben johnson
> >>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
> >>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
> 
> hmm.. well, maybe i didn't do as well as i originally thought. 
> please, enlighten me!
> 
     ****** Well, unfortunately I remembered alot of the T.V. Shows...
    Damn, I watched way too much T.V. as a child.
                                      Reagan 

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my 2 c...

i have trip hop acid phunk2
and now that i know its being released
i'll prolly pick up #3 

not because i want to promote the commercialization of electronic music or
the scene that has revolved around it

but because i love the music....
 i love it loud....
i have a system that can play it loud...
y'know to eleven...

but i sure cant do that when i buy a mixtape dubbed off another mixtape that
was dubbed off some guy who likes to rip off djs and tape there sets at
parties....

basically when you got it digital
y'know its good quality...sound that is...music selection well thats a
risk...and as someone posted at least its not keoki....:)



peace and parsley
creamy J 

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from our FLUX headline news (www.flux.net): 

Perry Farrell's ENIT Festival is getting rolling for summer. Call (212) 
330-9134 to hear the current lineup recited by Perry himself - Black
Grape, Love and Rockets, Farrell's own Porno for Pyros, and Lady Miss Kier
(Deee-Lite). Rumor has it the tour will feature top UK DJs in each city
like Carl Cox and Andy Weatherall. Exact tour dates are as yet
unannounced. 

---
Many will remember last year's uneven San Francisco ENIT fest included
DJ/performances from
Sven Vath, Moby, Tracy Lords, DJ Spooky, Freaky Chakra and Single Cell
Orchestra. Hmmm...


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OK, We're getting close... I've incorporated the following people's   
answers thus far:

Mark D. Camp
Chinley Chang
Kathryn Ankrum
Roy Feague

Still need answers for 5, 15, 16, 30, 37, 38, 41, 46, 47, 49, 50, 57, 61,   
68, 69, 70, 76, & 80...

> >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
> >>>
1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
"Do They Know It's Christmas"?

2. Name six members of the Brat Back
Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, Demi Moore, Andrew McCarthy, Judd Nelson,
Ally Sheedy, Molly Ringwald

3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in   
the 80's?
Echo and the Bunnymen

4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
Mork from Ork (Robin Williams)

5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?

6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
Rieses Pieces

7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your Luck?"
Whammies

8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
Cleary: Ramona, Ribsy, ??
Then Again, Maybe I won't, Ramona, Are You there god, it's me margaret

9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the   
later
series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.

10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
happenings on a big screen TV?
The Hall of Justice

11. What group did New Order evolve from?
Joy Division

12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on "The   
Wonder Years?"
gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?

13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
Muffet?

14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair caught   
on fire?
Pepsi

15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"

16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry Shortcake)
hucklberry pie, ?, ?

17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
"knowing is half the battle"

18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
the sugarcubes

19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give away   
and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
Stevie Wonder

20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum record   
in 1987?
George Michael.

21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
Raymond

22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
Donnie Whalberg, Jordan and Jonathan Knight, Joe McIntrye, and Danny Wood

23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and his   
zany foreign cousin?
Perfect Strangers

24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
Linda Hamilton

25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
Fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
the swedish chef.

26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:   
Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple   
years later
Jennifer Grey

27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
Richie Valens?

28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
The Smiths

29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
Darryl Hannah

30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?

31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them in,   
and then baking them in the oven?
Shrinkey Dinks

32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
 Poison, Warrant, ummmm...  Enuff Z'Nuff?  ;)

33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
Genesis

34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?

35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
"Where's the beef?"

36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
Inky, Pinky, Blinky, and Clyde

37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who   
lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?

38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live

39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the name   
of his boss?
Kitt, and Devon

40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
Gary Coleman

41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?

42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode in?
the mystery machine

43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
Masturbation?

44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall   
singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
Tiffany

45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and Tony   
Thompson?
Reflex??  Power Station?

46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby  Show?"
Denise, ?, ?, ?, ?

47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
Clare, ?, ?, ?

48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
"avoid the noid"

49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain principal   
named Joe Clark?

50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or Alien3)

51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
Lea Thompson

52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, Weird Science, Sixteen Candles, Some   
Kind of Wonderful

53. What was the first video played on MTV?
Video Killed the Radio Star?

54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
pooky

55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
Isaac

56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's name?
gargamel and azrael

57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat   
Albert Show?"

58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids used   
to hit instead of a baseball?
Whiffle ball

59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first   
generation?
Lynn Kyle?

60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
The General Lee

61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays

62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99 Red   
Balloons")?
Nena

63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,   
formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
Vince Clark

64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
Dexie's Midnight Runners?

65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux   
capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
88 MPH

66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on   
college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
REM, the B52s

67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
Batian

68. So, who shot JR?

69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?

70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?

71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
Simple Minds

72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
Tootie, Blair, Mr. Garrett, ?, Bo?

73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
is it bauhaus? Thought it was Souixie and the Banshees

74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy Island"?
Mr. Rourke and Tatoo

75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
Tweekie

76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from   
"Return of the Jedi"?
Well, they were Ewoks... what was the movie?

77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
Maverick

78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his   
steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
ben johnson

79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
Johnny Hates Jazz?

80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?


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There was limited response to the Rave Haiku contest.  I did get some cute
ones, especially from SDream, but I'm certain someone out there will send
something that will really pop out as a winner (Ti-Fred?  Rhea?).

I wasn't able to tell what the prize is, but now I can:

A Friends & Family patch!

  If you haven't seen one, maybe you will soon.

So, here are the rules...

THE FIRST ANNUAL SFR HAIKU CONTEST!

Please send me your top three haikus, relating to raving, rave music, the
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Remember a Haiku is five, seven, five...

Tone



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From: Amy R Starkey <sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu>
Subject: Re: the 80's (NRR) - a few answers.. help with more!
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Here are a few that I could come up with

> > >>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"

"Feed the World"  I think that was the name...it was during Christmas

> > >>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back

Molly Ringwald, Anthony Michael Hall, Emilio Estivez, Andrew McCarthy, 
Judd Nelson, Rob Lowe <--?

> > >>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?

I'm forever a mega Duranie:  They were originally called RAF (short for 
Royal Air Force)

> > >>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
> > >>>     caught on fire?

Pepsi

> > >>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
> > >>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?

Stevie Wonder ("I just called to say I LOVE you!)

> > >>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?

Lisa Hamilton  (who revolutionized buff armed women in T20

> > >>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?

The Smiths

> > >>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?

Daryll Hannah

> > >>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?

Michelle Pfiffer

> > >>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
> > >>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?

Shrinky-dinks

> > >>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's

Poison, Motley Crue, & Cinderella

> > >>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?

"Where's the Beef?"

> > >>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
> > >>>     name of his boss?

Car: KITT     Boss: ???

> > >>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"

Arnold (Diff'rent Strokes)

> > >>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?

Nick Nolte (Beverly Hills Cop)

> > >>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
> > >>>     Tony Thompson?

POWER STATION!!  (Remember "Some Like it Hot"?)

> > >>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's

Pretty in Pink, The Breakfast Club, 16 Candles, Ferris Beuller's Day Off 
(can't remember #5)

> > >>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
> > >>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?

Wiffle ball!

> > >>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?

The General Lee

> > >>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
> > >>>     Red Balloons")?

Nina

> > >>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?

Dixie's Midnight Runners

> > >>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
> > >>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)

87 mph(?) (Back to the Future)

> > >>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?

Battle Cat

> > >>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"

Simple Minds (Don't You Forget About Me)





What can I say....I LOVE the 80's! :):)

love,
Amy

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>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>>
>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
do they know its Christmas?

>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
Rob Lowlife,  Emilio estevez, Charlie Sheen , Molly Ringworm, that prat
Amdrew Mcarthy, that other girl. (just think of St. Elmo's fire)

>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
>>     80's?
echo & the bunnymen

>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
Mork

>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
BARBARELLA (from the 1960's camp sci-fi flick starring a super-foxy Jane Fonda)

>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
uhh.....

>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
>>     Luck?"
>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
Joy division

>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
>>     "The Wonder Years?"
>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?

>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
>>     caught on fire?
Pepsi

>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
>>     Shortcake)
>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?

>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
Sugarcubes

>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
Stevie Wonder (New Year's day(?)

>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
>>     record in 1987?
Andrew Ridgley...no.. i mean George Michael  :-)

>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
Autistic :-)

>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
>>     his zany foreign cousin?
>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
Linda Hamilton

>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
>>     years
>>     later
>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?

>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
THe Smiths

>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
Daryl Hannah

>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?

>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
Motley Crue, Poison, Bon Jovi, Europe, Kiss (?)

>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
Vulcan (?)

>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
Corey haim/Feldman/Hart (?)

>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
Where's the beef ?

>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>     name of his boss?
>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
Gary Colman

>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
JUdge Rheinhold (Beverly Hills cop)

>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
>>     in?
>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?

>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
Tiffany (i think were alone now !)

>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
>>     Tony Thompson?
POWER STATION !

>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
>>     Show?"
Lisa, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa!!!!!

>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
>>     principal named Joe Clark?
>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
>>     Alien3)
>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?

>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
>>     name?
Garganel ?

>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
>>     Albert Show?"
>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
>>     generation?
>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays

>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
>>     Red Balloons")?
NENA!

>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
VINCE CLARKE!

>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
DEXY'S MIDNIGHT RUNNNERS!

>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
86 MPH ?

>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
REM, 

>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
>>68. So, who shot JR?
SUE ELLEN ?

>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?

>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
SIMPLE MINDS!

>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
>>     Island"?
>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?

>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
BEN JOHNSON

>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?


Ciaran

" As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed,
the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental 
intrusion"

Judge Stewart Dalzell's ruling last week regarding the Communications
Decency Act.       	


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Dear Friends-

Just wanted to add a few comments about the recent New Moon party at Goat
Rock. I've been working as a DJ, sound person and organizer with the New
Moon collective for almost 2 years now and this last party was very
special.

To those people whining about the location you should think about why you
came to this party. For the few of us that put this on it is a sacred
pilgrimage that requires hard work and sacrifice. It is more to us than
just a party. Dance and celebration are of course very important but the
opportunity to create community and honor the Earth are equally important.
Goat Rock definitely demands extra effort. For Ann, Philip,Greg S. and me
this party took almost 24 hrs of non-stop effort and some other technical
and organizational time. It was well worth it but tiring.

This party was also a graduation party for Dr. Anne Loraine.
Congratulations, Anne and thanks for all your hard work. You were the
central person for this go around and you did a great job!!!

Respect also to:

Philip: for contributing sound equipment, expertise & nrg

Greg S.: for the main sound system, dedication & positive nrg

Tim: For hauling the system, getting there early, staying late  even with
cracked ribs

James: for hauling stufff and overall vibe assistance

Maureen: for a beautiful ceremony, altar and serious Goddess nrg

Bonnie: for an excellent set and her beautiful presence

Michelle: for being you & the massage, glad you got the chance to just come
and enjoy this one. You deserved it!

To all the other DJ's: Jim Cyr, Tracy, Claire,Roger,Tom & BioJeff thanks
for great tunes (it ain't easy hauling records up the beach!). People were
quite pleased with the variety and quality.

And to everyone else who helped set up and break down.

I camped at the party spot on Sun night and left Mon morning and the beach
was cleaned up well!!

If people want this party to continue it needs some more dedicated people
to take charge. If any one is interested email me or Ann at
anthrax@uclink.berkeley.edu.

Thank you Great Spirit for watching over our event!

All The Best,
Ronan

"Speak to the Earth and it shall teach thee." -Job 12:7



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Dave Byer wrote:

>> THE BAD: First let me say, this location was WAY THE HELL OUT THERE!  Dang, 
>> folks, surely there's got to be a spot like this a little closer to Frisco.  
>> Driving up to San Fran is bad enough.  Having to drive another hour and 1/2 
>> beyond that is HELL.
>	Why is an hour and a half too far to drive?...
>...	I think that bashing commerical parties for location is justified,
>after all,...
>...  but a
>free party put on by people who care for those who come out is different. 

Geez, louise, I guess I came on too strong about the remoteness of the 
location and not strong enough about how wonderful the event was.  Allow me 
to correct that:

>From my south bay perspective, the drive was bad.  I commute to work, and 
I've come to seriously despise driving.  Taken by itself, the drive did not 
contribute to the evening at all, knowhatahmean?

But the event and the location itself were spectacular.  The folx that put 
this together did an excellent job of choosing a truly incredible spot to 
have their party.  I count this as one of my better rave experiences, most 
definitely.  As others have described so eloquently, it was truly beautiful. 
 I'm afraid I missed the ceremonies -- long drive and all that -- but they 
sounded perfect.  The weather, while chilly, was not uncomfortable and 
actually made dancing just that much easier.  It really was a perfect 
setting, albeit far removed from me.  When it came time to give donations, I 
contributed generously and gave the sweet lass with the donations box a big 
hug, my way of saying, "Please do this again!"

So to reiterate, I in no way lay blame on the promoters for the distance I 
personally have to drive, I was just venting a little.  Geez, it was such a 
wonderful event, I'm just darned glad to have been there!

S


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For all you students out there...

----------------------------------

*File Description: 50 Ways to Disrupt an Exam*


 50 Fun things to do in a final that does not matter (i.e. you are going
    to fail the class completely no matter what you get on the final exam)
 
 
   1.  Bring a pillow. Fall asleep (or pretend to) until the last 15
   minutes. Wake up, say "oh geez, better get cracking" and do some
   gibberish work. Turn it in a few minutes early.
 
   2.  Get a copy of the exam, run out screaming "Andre, Andre, I've go
   the secret documents!!"
 
   3.  If it is a math/science exam, answer in essay form. If it is long
   answer/essay form, answer with numbers and symbols. Be creative. Use the
   integral symbol.
 
   4.  Make paper airplanes out of the exam. Aim them at the instructor's
   left nostril.
 
   5.  Talk the entire way through the exam. Read questions aloud, debate
   your answers with yourself out loud. If asked to stop, yell out, "I'm
   SOOO sure you can hear me thinking." Then start talking about what a
   jerk the instructor is.
 
   6.  Bring cheerleaders.
 
   7.  Walk in, get the exam, sit down. About five minutes into it, loudly
   say to the instructor, "I don't understand ANY of this. I've been to
   every lecture all semester long! What's the deal? And who the hell are
   you? Where's the regular guy?"
 
   8.  Bring a Game Boy (or Game Gear, etc...). Play with the volume at max
   level.
 
   9.  On the answer sheet (book, whatever) find a new, interesting way to
   refuse to answer every question. For example: I refuse to answer this
   question on the grounds that it conflicts with my religious beliefs. Be
   creative.
 
   10.  Bring pets.
 
   11.  Run into the exam room looking about frantically. Breathe a sigh of
   relief. Go to the instructor, say "They've found me, I have to leave the
   country" and run off.
 
   12.  Fifteen minutes into the exam, stand up, rip up all the papers into
   very small pieces, throw them into the air and yell out "Merry
   Christmas."  If you're really daring, ask for another copy of the exam.
   Say you lost the first one. Repeat this process every fifteen minutes.
 
   13.  Do the exam with crayons, paint, or fluorescent markers.
 
   14.  Come into the exam wearing slippers, a bathrobe, a towel on your
   head, and nothing else.
 
   15.  Come down with a BAD case of Turet's Syndrome during the exam. Be
   as vulgar as possible.
 
   16.  Do the entire exam in another language. If you don't know one, make
   one up!  For math/science exams, try using Roman numerals.
 
   17.  Bring things to throw at the instructor when s/he's not looking.
   Blame it on the person nearest to you.
 
   18.  As soon as the instructor hands you the exam, eat it.
 
   19.  Walk into the exam with an entourage. Claim you are going to be
   taping your next video during the exam. Try to get the instructor to let
   them stay, be persuasive. Tell the instructor to expect a percentage of
   the profits if they are allowed to stay.
 
   20.  Every five minutes, stand up, collect all your things, move to
   another seat, continue with the exam.
 
   21.  Turn in the exam approximately 30 minutes into it. As you walk out,
   start commenting on how easy it was.
 
   22.  Do the entire exam as if it was multiple choice and true/false. If
   it is a multiple choice exam, spell out interesting things (DCCAB. BABE.
   etc..).
 
   23.  Bring a black marker. Return the exam with all questions and
   answers completely blacked out.
 
   24.  Get the exam. Twenty minutes into it, throw your papers down
   violently, scream out "Fuck this!" and walk out triumphantly.
 
   25.  Arrange a protest before the exam starts (i.e. Threaten the
   instructor that whether or not everyone's done, they are all leaving
   after one hour to go drink)
 
   26.  Show up completely drunk. (Completely drunk means at some point
   during the exam, you should start crying for mommy).
 
   27.  Every now and then, clap twice rapidly. If the instructor asks why,
   tell him/her in a very derogatory tone, "the light bulb that goes on
   above my head when I get an idea is hooked up to a clapper. DUH!"
 
   28.  Comment on how sexy the instructor is looking that day.
 
   29.  Come to the exam wearing a black cloak. After about 30 minutes, put
   on a white mask and start yelling "I'm here, the phantom of the opera"
   until they drag you away.
 
   30.  Go to an exam for a class you have no clue about, where you know
   the class is very small, and the instructor would recognize you if you
   belonged.  Claim that you have been to every lecture. Fight for your
   right to take the exam.
 
   31.  Upon receiving the exam, look it over, while laughing loudly, say
   "you don't really expect me to waste my time on this drivel? Days of our
   Lives is on!!!"
 
   32.  Bring a water pistol with you. Nuff said.
 
   33.  From the moment the exam begins, hum the theme to Jeopardy. Ignore
   the instructor's requests for you to stop. When they finally get you to
   leave one way or another, begin whistling the theme to the Bridge on the
   River Kwai.
 
   34.  Start a brawl in the middle of the exam.
 
   35.  If the exam is math/science related, make up the longest proofs you
   could possibly think of. Get pi and imaginary numbers into most
   equations. If it is a written exam, relate everything to your own life
   story.
 
   36.  Come in wearing a full knight's outfit, complete with sword and
   shield.
 
   37.  Bring a friend to give you a back massage the entire way through
   the exam. Insist this person is needed, because you have bad circulation.
 
   38.  Bring cheat sheets FOR ANOTHER CLASS (make sure this is obvious...
   like history notes for a calculus exam... otherwise you're not just
   failing, you're getting kicked out too) and staple them to the exam,
   with the comment "Please use the attached notes for references as you see
   fit."
 
   39.  When you walk in, complain about the heat. Strip.
 
   40.  After you get the exam, call the instructor over, point to any
   question, ask for the answer. Try to work it out of him/her.
 
   41.  One word: Wrestlemania.
 
   42.  Bring balloons, blow them up, start throwing them around like they
   do before concerts start.
 
   43.  Try to get people in the room to do the wave.
 
   44.  Play frisbee with a friend at the other side of the room.
 
   45.  Bring some large, cumbersome, ugly idol. Put it right next to you.
   Pray to it often. Consider a small sacrifice.
 
   46.  Get deliveries of candy, flowers, balloons, telegrams, etc... sent
   to you every few minutes throughout the exam.
 
   47.  During the exam, take apart everything around you. Desks, chairs,
   anything you can reach.
 
   48.  Complete the exam with everything you write being backwards at a 90
   degree angle.
 
   49.  Bring a musical instrument with you, play various tunes. If you are
   asked to stop, say "it helps me think." Bring a copy of the Student
   Handbook with you, challenging the instructor to find the section on musical
   instruments during finals. Don't forget to use the phrase "Told you so".
 
   50.  Answer the exam with the "Top Ten Reasons Why Professor xxxx Sucks"



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Kathryn Ankrum writes...
> 
> 
> On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Paradyne 99 wrote:
> 
> > ugh. well.. shall we make this a communal effort? here's what i got.. i'm
> > sure all you "old-timers" will have an easier time than me (at least with
> > the stuff other than cartoons)
> 
> Hey, who are you calling "old-timer"? I like the communal idea...here are 
> my additions.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> > 
> > >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
> > >>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
raymond
> > >>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
> > >>>     Tony Thompson?
power station
> > >>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
lea thompson
> > >>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
> The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, ??
ferris buellers day off, wierd science +
> > >>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
the general lee
> > >>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
adam curry + 
> > >>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
dexys midnight runners
> > >>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
> > is it bauhaus? Thought it was Souixie and the Banshees
love & rockets?
> > >>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
bandit

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>>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?

Reeses Pieces

>>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?

Optimus Prime

>>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live

Mr. Robinsons Neighborhood.

>>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>>     name of his boss?

Nightrider?


>>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
>>>     in?

Ghost something or other?


>>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?

The Noid!


>>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
>>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?

Wiffle ball.  That one's easy if you look at my name.

>>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?

The General Lee


>>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
>>>     Island"?

Mr. Rorke and Tattoo




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From: Paradyne 99 <erase99@sirius.com>
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umm. maybe we can just mail answers to me instead of flooding the list and
i'll post the complete list once it's done..

ok. new and improved. thanks to rick riffle, kathryn ankrum, eric p.,
ciaran, amy starkey
>>>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>>>>
>>>>1. What was the British equivalent of "We Are The World?"
feed the world
>>>>2. Name six members of the Brat Back
rob lowlife, emilio estevez, charlie sheen, molly ringworm, andrew mccarthy,
judd nelson, anthony michael hall
>>>>3. What Liverpool band popularized the Doors' "People Are Strange?" in the
>>>>     80's?
echo and the bunnymen
>>>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
>mork 
>>>>5. What was the original name of Duran Duran?
barbarella _or_ RAF, depending on who you believe.
>>>>6. What was the name of ET's favorite candy?
>reece's pieces
>>>>7. What did people desperately try to avoid getting on "Press Your
>>>>     Luck?"
>>>>8. Name 3 books by Judy Blume or Beverly Cleary
>>>>9. Who was the leader of the Transformers?
>Optimus Prime for the Autobots, Megatron for the Deceptacons - in the later
series, Rodimus Prime and Galvatron.
>>>>10. Where did the Superfriends congregate and watch the latest
>>>>     happenings on a big screen TV?
>>>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
joy division
>>>>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on
>>>>     "The Wonder Years?"
>gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?
>>>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
>>>>14. What commercial was Michael Jackson singing for when his hair
>>>>     caught on fire?
pepsi
>>>>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
>>>>16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry
>>>>     Shortcake)
>hucklberry pie, ?, ?
>>>>17. What, according to GI Joe, was "Half the battle"?
>"knowing is half the battle"
>>>>18. What was the name of the Bjork-fronted 80's band?
>the sugarcubes
>>>>19. Who lamented about "No chocolate-covered candy hearts to give
>>>>     away and no wedding Saturday within the month of June"?
stevie wonder
>>>>20. What famous Wham! frontman went on to record a multi-platinum
>>>>     record in 1987?
>george michael.
>>>>21. What was Dustin Hoffman's character's name in "Rain Man?"
raymond
>>>>22. Name all five New Kids On The Block
>donny, jordon, ?, ?, ?
>>>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
>>>>     his zany foreign cousin?
>>>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
linda hamilton
>>>>25. Name 8 Muppets from "The Muppet Show"
>fozzy bear, kermit the frog, miss piggy, gonzo, animal, dr teeth, beaker,
the swedish chef.
>>>>26. Who was the actress that played Ferris Bueller's sister? Hint:
>>>>     Patrick Swayze showed her "the time of her life" in a movie a couple
>>>>     years
>>>>     later
>>>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
>>>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
the smiths
>>>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
daryl hannah
>>>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
>>>>31. What craft toy involved cutting plastic figures, coloring them
>>>>     in, and then baking them in the oven?
shrinky dinks
>>>>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
motley crue, poison, bon jovi, europe, cinderella, kiss
>>>>33. What planet was Spock brought back to life on?
>>>>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
corey something, ?
>>>>35. What was the famous line uttered by an old woman in Wendy's ads?
where's the beef?
>>>>36. Name the four ghosts from Pac-Man
>blinky, pinky, winky, and ? (all i remember is that it doesn't rhyme)
>>>>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
>>>>     lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?
>>>>38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live
mr robinson's reighborhood
>>>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>>>     name of his boss?
car=kitt boss=
>>>>40. What actor mouthed the line "Whatch you talkin' 'bout Willis?"
gary coleman
>>>>41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?
judge rheinhold ?
>>>>42. What was the name of the funky van Scooby Doo and friends rode
>>>>     in?
>the mystery machine
>>>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
>>>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
>>>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
tiffany
>>>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
>>>>     Tony Thompson?
power station
>>>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
>>>>     Show?"
lisa, ?
>>>>47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
>>>>48. What was the claymation Domino's Pizza thing to avoid?
>"avoid the noid"
>>>>49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain
>>>>     principal named Joe Clark?
>>>>50. What was the name of Ripley's ship in Aliens? (not Alien or
>>>>     Alien3)
>>>>51. What TV actress costarred in 1986's "Howard The Duck"?
lea thompson
>>>>52. Name 5 movies made by John Hughes in the 1980's
the breakfast club, pretty in pink, ferris bueller's day off, wierd science,
16 candles
>>>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
>>>>54. What was the name of Garfield's teddy bear?
>pooky
>>>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
>>>>56. Who was the head villain on "The Smurfs" and what was his cat's
>>>>     name?
>gargamel and azrael
>>>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
>>>>     Albert Show?"
>>>>58. What was the name of the hollow hole-covered plastic ball kids
>>>>     used to hit instead of a baseball?
whiffle ball
>>>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
>>>>     generation?
>>>>60. What was the name of Bo and Luke Duke's automobile?
the general lee
>>>>61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays
adam curry, ?
>>>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
>>>>     Red Balloons")?
nena
>>>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>>>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
vince clarke
>>>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
dexys midnight runners
>>>>65. What speed did Marty have to reach in order to activate the flux
>>>>     capacitor? (once you remember the movie, this should be easy)
80 mph
>>>>66. Name the two mega-popular bands which got their start on
>>>>     college-radio in Athens, Georgia?
>REM, B-52's
>>>>67. What was the name of the heroic boy in "The Never Ending Story?
>>>>68. So, who shot JR?
>the fucking FBI/masons/aliens
>>>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
>>>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
>>>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
simple minds
>>>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
>>>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
>>>>74. What were the names of the host and his sidekick on "Fantasy
>>>>     Island"?
mr. rorke and tattoo
>>>>75. Name Buck Rodgers' pal
>>>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
>>>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
>>>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
bandit
>>>>78. Who got his 100-meter dash gold medal stripped away due to his
>>>>     steroid use in the 1988 Olympics?
>ben johnson
>>>>79. Who sang "Shattered Dreams" in 1987?
>>>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
>
>hmm.. well, maybe i didn't do as well as i originally thought. 
>please, enlighten me!
>


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From: Cassandra Ann Thomas <senator@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: Milton Cecil <moonpup@hooked.net>
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Dear all:

I am also looking for a place in SAn Francisco starting now.  If anyone
would like to
make a day of looking give me a e-mail.

Cassandra

  On Thu, 13 Jun 1996,
Milton Cecil wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 13, 1996 1:45:27 PM  at SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: 
>  
> >You're not kidding, the housing situation really sucks right now.  I'm
> also 
> >looking for a place, it seems there are a few people on the list right
> now. 
> > Perhaps we can all keep our eyes out for a larger place, expanding our 
> >options couldn't hurt.  I'm actually looking for a place in Berkely, but I
> 
> >would certainly consider SF. 
> >Love, 
> >sTeVeO 
> >I'm a designer/student/business owner.  I dont make too much $, but I'm 
> >reliable, fairly neat, considerate, accepting and best of all, I'VE GOT
> ONE 
> >1200 TOO!  
> I'm looking for a place starting September... or is that too late for
> everybody? 
>  
> --erik 
>  
> **IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER** 
> These words were NOT written by moonpup 
> He's in London until late August 
>  
> ...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
> Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
> or drop me a line... 415-337-6666
> 


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Good afternoon all!

I'm home from work today with a sinus cold that's been goin around.  I though I could 
avoid it but guess not/Waaaaaaa!

I celebrated my 28th birthday on Friday the 14th and had a great weekend!  I did try 
to make it to Monolith but decided to get some sleep before my friends and I went off 
to Great America on Sun.  So does anyone have a report on Monolith?  I'm particularly 
interested in  Mystr-E's set.

Stay well everyone!!

XX
OO
C.


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a)Just who is this Post Office person? and b) why are they so concerned
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Later,

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>>>4. Who had the trademark saying "Nanoo Nanoo?"
mork (sp?) Robin Williams

>>>11. What group did New Order evolve from?
Joy Division

>>>23. What was the name of the show that featured Larry Appleton and
>>>     his zany foreign cousin?
Perfect Strangers

>>>24. Who played Sarah Connor in 1984's "Terminator"?
Linda Hamilton

>>>27. Who was the original singer of Los Lobos' 1987 hit "La Bamba"?
Richie Valenz

>>>28. What was the name of the once Morrissey-fronted band in the 80's?
The Smiths

>>>29. Who was the actress that made waves in 1984's "Splash"?
Darryl Hannah

>>>30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?
Michelle Pfeiffer

>>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
Japan
>>>44. Which red-head won Star Search and then went on a shopping mall
>>>     singing tour that took America by storm in 1987 and 1988?
Tiffany
>>>45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and
>>>     Tony Thompson?
Powerstation
>>>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby
>>>     Show?"
Denise, Sandra, Rudy, Theo and ?

>>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
Radio Killed the Video Star

>>>55. What was the name of the bartender on "The Love Boat"?
Isaac

>>>62. What German siren sang "99 Luftballons" (known in the US as "99
>>>     Red Balloons")?
Nena

>>>63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>>>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
Vince Clark

>>>64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
Dexy's Midnight Runners

>>>71. What band sang the theme song to "The Breakfast Club?"
Simple Minds

>>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
Joe, Blair, Tudy, Nancy and Mrs. Grant


>>>77. What was Tom Cruise's call sign in the movie "Top Gun"?
Maverick





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From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir)
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Here are some more.  Embarassingly enough, I actually got most of them, but
these are just some that I haven't seen answered (or wrong answers)


>>13. What was the name of the mechanical bear on Battlestar Galactica?
It was Boxey. And he was a dog ("Moffet" or "Moppet" was the species).

>>39. What was the name of Michael Knight's car? ....now, what was the
>>     name of his boss?
Car: Kitt of course.  Boss (this is embarassing :) - Devon _Miles_

>>43. To what does the obscure song "Turning Japanese" refer?
Going crazy. (OBSCURE!!?!?!)
 
>>53. What was the first video played on MTV?
The Buggles' "Video Killed the Radio Star" (someone already mentioned the title)

>>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
>>     Albert Show?"
Mush Mouth

>>59. What was the name of the singer who died in Robotech's first
>>     generation?
I'm pretty sure it was Min Mei (Rick Hunter's girlfriend) Good riddance, too ;)

>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
Someone mentioned Battle Cat: That was his steed.  The magician was the little
guy with the red robe with the black circle on the chest and the wizard's hat
that covered most of his face.  What was his name??

>>72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
Tootie, Jo, Blair, Natalie and Mrs Garret (from Different Strokes...)

>>73. What gothic rock group did Tones on Tail become?
Love and Rockets
 
>>76. What was the movie that starred the little furry creatures from
>>     "Return of the Jedi"?
Ewoks: Return to Endor (I think)
 
>>80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?
Frack! (remember that curse word?  Who said that?...) It's on the tip of my
tongue (Queen did the soundtrack, though:)

Oh yeah, I don't think anyone mentioned Martha Quinn as one of the original
MTV VJ's.

Why do I only remember useless information?
-mike

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------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          "David" <davidt@best.com>
To:            sfraves@hyperreal.com
Date:          Sat, 15 Jun 1996 16:53:22 +0000
Subject:       MORE GAYS @ RAVES
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Hello again,

I seem to have been having some problems with my e-mail address and 
only some of my mail has been reaching me, if you would like to join 
in with this discussion please e-mail me at 

Davidt@londonantique.com

So, just for the hell of it here is a repeat of my previous note.

Interesting feedback so far, perhaps there are more gays at raves 
than I thought, but even so it would be nice to see more. I am going 
to start inviting all my gay friends and all of their gay friends and 
get a whole gays at raves pyramid going.

I love the idea of this mix of people, I don't think we should be 
having to choose whether to go to a "Gay" party or a "Straight" 
party, my friendships are not based on sexual orientation so it 
will be a fabulous party when we can all go out with our friends and no 
matter whether you are straight/gay/lesbian/bi/bi-curious/straight 
curious/gender non-specific/or a-sexual you can party with others 
just like you and celebrate diversity without feeling alone. Utopia 
is right at our fingertips and I want to party there!

Please keep this dicussion going and please invite all your friends 
to join in.

TTFN

David


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#13 is Muffitt, not Boxey (Boxey was the boy), and the species was a
Dagitt, not a dog.
#53: Once in a Lifetime (Talking Heads; this is documented).  Video Killed
the Radio Star was the first "music video" ever made for the purpose of
being a music video, but it wasn't the first to air on MTV.
So, when we gonna see a similar list for the '70s?

:)  - E



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From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp)
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Well,

63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
    formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.

*NOT* an answer, just a pet-peave -- they're "Yazoo" in the rest of the
world.

80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?

Max Von Sydow

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From: Matt Kodama <starchld@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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Forwarded message:

> a)Just who is this Post Office person? and b) why are they so concerned
> about Stephanie Powell?

(a) maybe they're disgruntled - DUCK!

-- 
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Forwarded message:
> 63. Name the 5th original member of Depeche Mode who left the band,
>     formed Yaz, and then went on form a more-lasting group.
> 
> *NOT* an answer, just a pet-peave -- they're "Yazoo" in the rest of the
> world.
> 

that's where erasure came from.

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This was fun. Now I have to post it to the list so I don't feel like I've
wasted my time (I've wasted yours!)

-m.

>OK, We're getting close... I've incorporated the following people's
>answers thus far:
>
>Mark D. Camp
>Chinley Chang
>Kathryn Ankrum
>Roy Feague
>
>Still need answers for 5, 15, 16, 30, 37, 38, 41, 46, 47, 49, 50, 57, 61,
>68, 69, 70, 76, & 80...
>
>> >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>> >>>

>12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on "The
>Wonder Years?"
>gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?

Paul.

>15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"

that annoying little girl who brought the show to a fiery end...


>32. Name 3 glam rock bands of the 80's
> Poison, Warrant, ummmm...  Enuff Z'Nuff?  ;)

Hot Blonde, Twisted Sister, Motley Crue, Cinderella, Ratt, Celtic Frost
(get with it, people!)

>34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
>Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?

Last year's ASUC president at Cal... "Chunk" (I can't remember his real
name! Chunk is enough! is it Jeff Cohen?)

>
>37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who
>lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?

The Borrowers.


>46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby  Show?"
>Denise, ?, ?, ?, ?

Theo, ?,?,?


>57. What was the name of the guy who couldn't enunciate on "The Fat
>Albert Show?"

mushmouth


>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?

I should know this one... I watched a lot of this show last summer ("no
sorcerer's toy can defeat THUNDARR!" =)

>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?

orko


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 18 18:30:13 1996
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Subject: New Moon posts, a request
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Hi folks!

Thank you all for the wonderful posts on the New Moon.  Would it be al
right with the folks that posted if we put some of your posts up on the
New Moon web pages? (http://sfraves/raves/newmoon) 

Also, I am not particularly bummed out about people thinking that it was
kind of far to go for a party.  We took a risk by going out there...'cause
there always was a chance that the rangers would chase us away, and it
would have sucked in a big way if we had been evicted from the spot after
doing so much work for the party.  We probably won't do another party
there for a while- so as not to annoy the rangers.  It really is the ONLY
spot left that I know of where we could have such a large outdoor party
without getting kicked out.  I worry that having had the party there may
have ruined the place for future parties, but I think if we leave it alone
for a while, it will be okay to do parties there in future.    

And thank you Ronan for sticking around there the next few days and making
sure the place was completely cleaned up!!!  


Much respect and love to you all,

Ann

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Hey New Moon;

        I think & feel most people are annoyed at the New Moon because, we
the uninformed are never in the know for your event because of; WELL; who'
s knows. So how bout some MORE information sharing, New Moon peoples; thanks
from the True Moon Child, born on the Forth of July, in the Year of the
Tiger, happily and totally ruled by mom the Moon.

Peace
THX1138


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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, THX1138 wrote:
>         I think & feel most people are annoyed at the New Moon because, we
> the uninformed are never in the know for your event because of; WELL; who'
> s knows. So how bout some MORE information sharing, New Moon peoples; thanks


I'm not sure I follow you... Ann posted at least a couple of messages to
the sfraves list about the new moon party, inviting everyone to send mail
for details and pointing people to the web site for general new moon info. 
That's how I got informed, anyway! 

I'd like to thank Ann and everyone else who helped create this amazing
experience!  This is not something we should take for granted! 

take care,
Paul


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Hiya All;

        Well someone has to be negative here; but I'll make it short. I hate
those roten little three line poems; hatem, hatem, hatem(jumping up & down
screaming). Nuke Haiku's. = >!!!! Thanks I feel better know that it's outta
my system. Mental health is a wonderful thing, later.

Peace
THX1138


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Hiya & Huh?

        What New Moon Web Site; what message; still happy, clueless, &
uninformed even after scanning the messages for the past week for New Moon
info; I guess I'm black listed, boo who; anyway, back to our regular
scheduled cluelessness   = >.

Peace
THX1138

ps If your gonna talk about a Web site please include the properly formated
URL location in the body of the text


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We usually try to let lots of people know about the party, and where it
will be, ahead of time.  But there's only a few of us in the core group
planning each party, and there's only so much we can do to get the word
out!   For this party, we mostly just posted to sfraves to let
people know about it- after three years of doing the party, we've found
that the people that come to us from sfraves are absolutely awesome!  If
we had had the time, we might have made flyers and distributed them, but
we had our hands full just making sure our eqipment worked, that the stuff
had transportation, etc.  Making flyers is one of the funnest jobs, but
unfortunately, we just couldn't get it together to do that this time.
Also, this is a small, "experimental" party and it isn't really that
important to us to have huge numbers of people come, although it's very
nice when that happens!!!  Mostly we just want to get people together to
have a nice time, make friends, and feel a part of a community.  For many
of us, the new moon is the main time that we get to see friends that we
haven't seen for a month, and that's why the party's kept going over the
years.  

Also, our voicemail goddess (Michi!) has been putting other events on the
New Moon voicemail.  Notably, the River events, and other similar things.
So check the NM voicemail for information about other things besides the
New Moon!  415-267-3076.

We'd also like to set up some kind of "cc" list to send people email
notifying them about upcoming gatherings.  If anybody would like to add
their address to this list, send me email.  Also, you should check the web
page regualarly for updates.  We are also hoping to add pages for
individual writings- such as Jason, Cinnamon Twist!  We welcome all
contributions!!!  (http://hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon)

-Ann



> 
> Hey New Moon;
> 
>         I think & feel most people are annoyed at the New Moon because, we
> the uninformed are never in the know for your event because of; WELL; who'
> s knows. So how bout some MORE information sharing, New Moon peoples; thanks
> from the True Moon Child, born on the Forth of July, in the Year of the
> Tiger, happily and totally ruled by mom the Moon.
> 
> Peace
> THX1138
> 
> 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 18 19:25:19 1996
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URL:(http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon/)

peace
thx1138


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Hiya SFR;

        Here's the correct URL location for the Newmoon collective; your
welcome.

Peace
THXC1138

(http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/newmoon/)


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Strychnine isn't strong enough to have any effect in the small doses 
you'd need to try and fit it on a tab/in a microdot.  I usd to think so 
too, but strychnine in acid is an urban legend ....

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 18 20:16:48 1996
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From: Edwin.K.Chong@Dartmouth.EDU (Edwin K. Chong)
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Subject: Re: Orion...so much potential (gripe)
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--- Rick Riffle wrote:
I'll definately give them another chance, and hope any of you who attended
will as well.
--- end of quoted material ---

Well, I'll agree that Orion had potential...but my friends and I left feeling
that the promoters were kinda wack, although that doesn't mean we won't give
them another chance. Our biggest gripe was about the voicemail - we called
after 8 and still couldn't get directions (even though they said it was
supposed to start at 9), so we had to drive up from Mountain View not knowing
exactly where we were going. When we got to Sacramento a little before 11, it
took a while to get thru to their voicemail, and when we did, it said that the
first space had been busted and that they were trying to get another. So we
drove around for a while killing time, and called back at random intervals.
Eventually the message changed, but all it said then was that Orion would be
going off, but you had to call back in an hour or two. Well, at least two hours
passed and the message hadn't changed, and we were getting annoyed. But then we
just happened to see a bunch of people walking around a nearby building in an
alley, and we decided to check it out, and sure enough, it was Orion. By this
time it was past 2:30 and we'd hung out killing time at every place with late
hours that we could find - Del Taco, some 24hour coffeeshop, and Safeway - so
you can imagine our mood as we discovered no main room, the power repeatedly
going out, and then the cops clearing out the whole place not too much later.
And as for nobody caring that the power kept going out...well, that might have
been the case in the ambient room (I did hear the clapping and the drums), but
people seemed a bit more annoyed in the hardcore/jungle room (at one point,
everybody started banging loudly on the pillars, which had been covered in that
packing bubble sheet stuff). I can understand how the promoters might not have
had complete control over the building's power source or the cops, but they
could've dealt with their voicemail better - like, have directions early enough
for non-Sacramento dwellers, and have directions, period. Telling people that
it's been busted and asking them to call back, and then having it resume
without updating their voicemail is not cool...

It's kinda ironic how I'd just run into one of the promoters at F-8 when I was
buying tickets, and she'd promised me it'd be worth the drive cuz it was gonna
go off...better luck next time, I guess...

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     Well, I finally found something in Santa Cruz within walking distance of
me (my god, getting to parties is hard for those of us that are...
'transportationally impaired').  I'll be at The Deep tonight @
Palookaville... wearing black pants, a glowing buddha T-shirt and a white
Nike visor.  If you're there, please say hi!
       Hugs, Wurz§

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*** Reply to note of 06/18/96 15:24
FROM: Robert Brown

SUBJECT:       (Fwd) MORE GAYS @ RAVES

A few thoughts on the subject....(all subjective and opinion, of course)

I used to wonder myself whether there were that many gay people at raves,
but now I'd say that there probably are more than may be obvious or known.
This may likely be, as has been pointed out, that raves aren't as
overtly sexual (vs. the stereotypical club or bar) so ones sexual orientation
is not one of the first impressions or a factor in how people interact
at raves (up to a certain point, of course).

I have invited some of my gay friends to raves and I get a couple of
different reactions.  The relevant reaction being a concern that they
won't know whether or not someone is gay and thusly fear approaching
anyone.  This is perhaps an attitude coming from the "club scene" and
I suspect the fear of gay bashing  (i.e., if I approach another guy in a
non-gay situation, even in a non-sexual manner will I get beaten up?).
This is something that gays have to worry about on occassion that hetero-
sexuals may take for granted.  For us ravers we of course realize that
this is not the climate at a rave, and that may be what is important
to impart to those gay friends you wish to bring into the scene (or at least
bring to a rave).

One factor for gays possibly prefering to go to gay clubs versus raves is
to meet other gay people, be it as friends, potential relationships, or
for sexual reasons.  Not sure where this is going, but seemed like a point to
make.

As for making a club or event more mixed, someone mentioned passing out
flyers at Club Universe.  Something to that effect could work, such as
leaving flyers at select locations/stores in the Castro (Headlines, etc.),
the Billy DeFrank Center in San Jose, and so on.  This would probably be
better suited to something like Spundae.

I think having a very mixed group is a healthy idea that I fully support
and hopefully such a mixed environment will take firm hold.

Comment on Blue Lagoon...correct me if I'm wrong, please, but isn't that
just about the only actual dance club in Santa Cruz?  If so, wouldn't this
tend to bring people in regardless of orientation, despite the fact that it
is known to be a primarily gay club?? I know there's Palookaville, but they
are primarily geared toward live bands aren't they??

Thanks for reading this far!  I've babbled long enough!

Peace,
  - R


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Hiya;

        Just burned my first CD(audio); wow!!!!!, it's coming; more
digital(information) power to the people, NO MORE LIES.

Peace
THX1138


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 18 22:02:25 1996
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	i guess it's time to stop lurking, and speak up on what's the fuss
over the right front speaker and the Right Front Speaker Family:

well, the right front speaker family is comprised of a number of ravers
all over the country (and possibly a few in other countries as well) who
prefer to dance in front of the right front speaker (according to where
the dj is located). 
the whole idea was originated by sarvi and i during the summer of 1994 :) 
it was basically the "home base" we created so that we knew where our
backpacks were, where others could find us, and where we can find each
other during times of separation :)
as the months progressed, we visited different parts of the US, raving
along the way. at each rave, we still used the right front speaker as
our "home base", and our friends started using the right front speaker as
their "home base" as well. and with friends visiting and raving with us in
the bay area, they started using the right front speaker as their "home
base" too! 
so the right front speaker has no fancy decorations. it doesn't
necessarily have better sound than any of the other speakers. and the
right front speaker family is not an elite group of ravers that only the
chosen may join.
why the right front speaker? well, the front speaker so we may easily see
the turntables and the dj. and the right speaker because it was just
closer in many cases! :)
the right front speaker family is open for all to join, and it is just a
place where you may find a number of your friends! and in no way does it
discriminate against those who may make up a "left front speaker family"
;)  

*GASP* 
jan finally posts ;)
hehehehe...i hope to find all of you at the right front speaker ;)
take care, and i will talk to you all later!

byebye,
...jan...
delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu

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      "So, where can i find you at a rave? Where will you be?"
	"You can always find me at the Right Front Speaker"


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	 #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '#
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 18 22:27:28 1996
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Hey all!

I was reading a book a while back, and I found this awesome passage in 
it which sounded startlingly familiar!  I have actually passed it out 
to a few people at various raves, but I just thought it so cool that I 
thought I'd post it to the list.

Anyway, in this book (which some of you may be familiar with), the 
Devil takes a vampire and shows him Heaven, and the following is the 
vampire's description of what Heaven is like:


        "What I saw, however, overwhelmed me as much as the sound.  
This was very simply the most profoundly magnificent place I'd ever 
beheld.  Our language needs endless synonyms for beautiful;  the eyes 
could see what the tongue cannot possibly describe.
        "Once again, people were everywhere, people filled with light, 
and of distinct anthropomorphic shape; they had arms, legs, beaming 
faces, garments of all different kinds, yet no costume of any seemingly 
great importance, and the people were moving, traveling paths in groups 
or alone, or coming together in patterns, embracing, clasping, reaching 
out, and holding hands.
        "I turned to the right and to the left, and then all around me, 
and in every direction saw these multitudes of beings, wrapped in 
conversation or dialogue or some sort of interchange, some of them 
embracing and kissing, and others dancing, and the clusters and groups 
of them continued to shift and grow or shrink and spread out.
        "Indeed, the combination of seeming disorder and order was the 
mystery.  This was not chaos.  This was not confusion.  This was not a 
din.  It seemed the hilarity of a great and final gathering, and by 
final I mean it seemed a perpetually unfolding resolution of something, 
a marvel of sustained revelation, a gathering and growing understanding 
shared by all who participated in it, as they hurried or moved 
languidly or even in some cases sat about doing very little."


Sound familiar?


Love,
Shawna


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>>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
>Someone mentioned Battle Cat: That was his steed.  The magician was the little
>guy with the red robe with the black circle on the chest and the wizard's hat
>that covered most of his face.  What was his name??


Now this one I remember!  This weird little fellow was Orko, hence the O on his 
chest!  Boy he annoyed me...


Shawna

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I just came back from the location, and things are ready to go!

This will be the first audio.cafe, more to follow.  Admission is free
(a "very good price") for this one.  DJs are J Mystic (a k a Jeremy)
and myself.  Starting around 9 and going until at least 1.  

The address: the Paris Theatre, 6 SW 3rd, in Portland.

See you in the future!
phred

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standing solitary cacti along the desert road.
so blatantly stating your desolation,
your position of meridian between any two points of joy.
Let the unbarable heat of your mid-day die,
so I may rest, and find my self one day closer to the next oasis.

-me

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Hi everybody,

here is yet another post about the New Moon!

our good friend Steve lost a pair of motorcycle gloves at the event.  he
would really like to have them back- if anybody found them, please email
me and I will let him know.

thanks!

Ann

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As in in the other vowell, and it wasn't I that had the problems, so I'm not
real sure about any other details.

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Yeah, we've all been slammed, but no worries, it will happen, I'm still,
slowly looking for places, and I hope everyone is at least keeping an ear out
for any possible gathering sites, Yosemite or otherwise.  I'll be moving over
the next couple weeks, but schools out and business is slow, so hopefully
I'll have some time.  Matt, no worries, you've done a lot so far, I know how
difficuly it is just keeping track of names and people interested.  Don't
trash your files yet.  Keep the communication flowing, and the image of it
occuring in your mind, and it will happen.
Love & Life,
StEvEo

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Not you Jess! : )   My friend and possibly yours, Jesse Porc in Sacto just
got online today.  I think it would be cool if everyone mailed him to welcome
him into the world.  Just send a simple "Hi Jesse" or "Where have you been,
we've been waiting for you" would do wonders
Thanks in advance!
StEvEo


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Hello all!

First of all, I couldn't help but respond to this message because I 
ABSOLUTELY LOVE our scene and ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE in it! Through your
positive energy and love you all have changed my life in such a positive
way that words cannot describe it and for that I will be eternally
grateful. My purpose and message in this post is to purely offer my
opinion on this topic and NOT to start a negative email campaign. 

I believe that there are already a representative portion of people,
possibly more?, at raves who consider themselves gay, lesbian, bi, etc.
I wouldn't say I'm unique but I used to consider myself to be 100% gay
and now consider myself to be bi...you always hear about people who
thought they were 100% straight and then realize that they are gay or bi
but rarely, if ever?, the other way around! I think that the question
of "How can we draw more gays (or more of any group) into our scene?"
should be re-phrased into "How can we draw THOSE PEOPLE who are on a
search, a SPIRITUAL MISSION, to find the answers to their life's
questions into our scene?". We all know that PART of what makes our
scene extremely special and sacred is the fact that there is no emphasis
whatsoever on sex, sexuality, race, religion, etc. When we gather at
parties we become ONE...there is no gay/straight, man/woman, 
white/black, old/young, rich/poor etc...we simply see each other as
beautiful people and ultimately we can become one pure energy mass of
love. This is what drew me to the scene and not whether or not I would
find other gay, bi-sexual, straight, etc. people at raves. I had become
so disillusioned at the spiritual emptiness of the clubs in general that
I felt as if I were losing my soul. I would be with friends but it was
extremely hard to give off positive energy when all I would hear is
people trying to pick on someone or impress a date/friend by cutting up
on other people for who they were or what they were wearing or what they
looked like.

I know that not everyone is ready or wants to receive what our scene has
to offer, some would even seek to misuse or destroy it, however, we must
have compassion and love for those who harm us since they deserve as
much as anyone else to be a part of our vision and hope of a future
world where there is no want and no pain. A world where the young, old
and sick are taken care of. A world where the environment is whole
again.

Well, I've said enough and hopefully the right stuff!? I would just like
to close out with a small message to all of you, men and women, whom I
consider to be my friend whether or not we've met:

Please understand that when I offer a piece of candy or a massage, I do
it out of my LOVE in my heart for YOU and I expect absolutely NOTHING in
return, not even a thank you...I just LOVE to give and do not want or
expect any recognition or praise. I know that when I give you LOVE, it's
contagious and causes you, in turn, to pass it on to others and so on
and so on! That's what that positive vibe is all about! Nonetheless, I
completely understand if any of you are uncomfortable about your new
found knowledge about me. Please know that I will NOT use the usual
excuse of, "Well, I guess that person wasn't my friend anyway!" because
I will always love you as my friend with all my heart forever.

Peace and Love!
John

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   People would be surprised if they actually knew how many gays, lesians,
bi people that are at a rave. Do you goto a rave to look for just that? I
hope people goto them because of the music, vibe, and love that is there.
That's why I go. Ever since I've started raving my life has been change for
the good. I've never been happier. I remember before raving I had a closed
opinion about gay males. I didn't care for them and thought they were sick
and should be put on and island by themselves. Women didn't bother me, maybe
because I like women and it's great to see two of them together. Anyway,
since raving it has open my eyes. It shouldn't matter. As long as everyone
is happy with there choices in life. Why should it matter if there are gay,
straight, lesbian, bi people at a rave? It's all about who we are inside
that should matter. I know it would be nice to have an equal amount of all
types of people there, hell I'd love it if there were nothing but straight
women at a rave, BUT that's not what it's about and not what it should be
about. We need a mix of people to experience what others half to offer. Each
person is different in there own way and when they bring that to a rave
sometimes it spread to others, and improves the lifes that it touched some
how. I use to think hugging another guy always felt wierd and didn't want
people to see me do it. Now, why should it matter. Do you feel wierd when
you shake someone hand that is the same sex? No, then why should a hug.

  I'm not sure if any of this is off the subject, because when I saw the
original post and read it, I didn't have an interest to read the others
because for the fact that it shouldn't matter who is at a rave. As long as
there heart is open and in the right place and has the love for the scene of
raving and all that it brings to each of us it really shouldn't matter, it
wouldn't be as good if there was only a certain type of people at a rave,
it's the combination of several types of people that make this scene what it
is today. A GREAT ONE! and I LOVE it!

Tim (knucklehead)


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> THE FIRST ANNUAL SFR HAIKU CONTEST!
> Please send me your top three haikus, relating to raving, rave music, the
> rave scene, rave experiences, etc...
> 
> Remember a Haiku is five, seven, five...

OK, this is fun.  Don't be shy.
Anyone can come up with a haiku:  Here's 3 of mine:

* * *

Together in dance
I laughed with eternity
Music is timeless

* * *

Dancing and Sweating
A long line for the bathroom
Fluids in motion

* * *

Spinning and twirling
I transcended my limits 
Puked up a blowpop


Lee
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Go to Zeebra records on Haight Street (at Fillmore).  Last time I saw 
them selling 1200's they where $460 each.

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Knucklehead wrote:

> Damn! I just called somewhere to find out how much there 1200's are and
> they said $599.00. Does anyone know where they are cheaper. This place has
> low price garantee and will give you 110% of the difference. So if I can
> find a cheaper place then I can get a better deal.
> 
> Tim (knucklehead)
> 
> 
> 

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Ahhhhh!  I just went and got my ticket at Tower.  Also, I can't believe 
that I hAve lived on upper Haight for years and have never ever even been 
into Housewares; what is it's exact address?

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Karl F Schramm wrote:

> you can get $20 presale tix at Housewares that don't have a BASS charge
>                                        =]
> 

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> Spinning and twirling
> I transcended my limits 
> Puked up a blowpop

This one is GREAT!!  It's totally my kinda humor, I tell ya.  This one 
has my vote for the contest.  I did like the one about the fluids, too. :)

love,
Amy


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>>69. What kind of sword did Thundar the Barbarian have?
>
>I should know this one... I watched a lot of this show last summer ("no
>sorcerer's toy can defeat THUNDARR!" =)

It's his "sun sword."

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hooray for you! :)  i know a LOT of guys who wouldn't be willing to 
change their concept of gays.  It saddens me, but oh well.

And you're right - why does it matter who gets up to what?  i don't go to 
raves looking for bedmates, and i would hope that isn't first on most 
ravers' lists.  I'm enjoy either myself (although WAY more picky about my 
womenfolk - probably because i'm still learning) but if all i'm doing is 
dancing and interacting, who cares.

The thing i like about raving is that none of the typical "club 
mentality" is there, for the most part .... i'm much more open to people 
at raves than i am in a club.  I don't feel like someon's gonna try 
REALLY HARD to get me to dance with him/her or start invading my space 
unless they're welcomed by me.  You know what i mean?  there's nothing 
more annoying than someone who won't leave you alone to the point where 
you HAVE to be rude cos they won't take a hint ....

well, i just got up and am still kinda in sleep mode so ... off to get 
ready for yet ANOTHER grueling day at Ye Olde Law Firm.  :P

peace
k

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> him into the world.  Just send a simple "Hi Jesse" or "Where have you been,
> we've been waiting for you" would do wonders
> Thanks in advance!
> StEvEo

Great idea SteveO, but what's Jesse's e-mail address????

D'oh!


		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Shawna McGourty wrote:

> >>>70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?
> >Someone mentioned Battle Cat: That was his steed.  The magician was the little
> >guy with the red robe with the black circle on the chest and the wizard's hat
> >that covered most of his face.  What was his name??
> 
> 
> Now this one I remember!  This weird little fellow was Orko, hence the O on his 
> chest!  Boy he annoyed me...

   It's o.k. Shawna, it was only a cartoon:).
                          Reagan


> 
> 
> Shawna
> 

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i love this poem!

it characterizes my wednesdays well!

i look foreward to seeing you all and feeling all your love!

peace, love, and this weekend!

matt l> 
> standing solitary cacti along the desert road.
> so blatantly stating your desolation,
> your position of meridian between any two points of joy.
> Let the unbarable heat of your mid-day die,
> so I may rest, and find my self one day closer to the next oasis.
> 
> -me
> 


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I look at sexual preference the same way I look at skin color.  

        Who cares?  

Are you a good person, fun to hang out with, handy with a hug, a dancing 
fool not unlike myself?  Dang, then let's party!

S

PS. Oh - and can you tolerate my Dr. Seuss hat?


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Karen wrote:
>The thing i like about raving is that none of the typical "club 
>mentality" is there...
>...I don't feel like someon's gonna try 
>REALLY HARD to get me to dance with him/her...

BINGO.  And I hate feeling like I have to get someone to dance with me, 
cause in a club guys look a little stupid dancing by themselves.  And I 
REALLY hate getting shot down, nasty looks and all, like I'm trying to pick 
up on someone when *all* I wanted was to DANCE!  And I hate the feel of the 
hunt around me, guys posing, women acting aloof, pick-up lines thick as 
smoke in the air, at least one couple practically having sex on the dance 
floor.  I just want to have fun, and I want it to feel like I'm out with a 
large group of friends, not a bunch of predatory strangers.

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!

...don't even get me started...

S


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>i love this poem!
>it characterizes my wednesdays well!
>i look foreward to seeing you all and feeling all your love!
>peace, love, and this weekend!

but it isn't a haiku!

>> standing solitary cacti along the desert road.
>> so blatantly stating your desolation,
>> your position of meridian between any two points of joy.
>> Let the unbarable heat of your mid-day die,
>> so I may rest, and find my self one day closer to the next oasis.
>> 
>> -me
>> 
>
>
>


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From: Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM (Nikki Glover)
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Hellooo there

I was wondering if anyone could tell me what is going on this weekend??
I haven't been to a party in soooo long and I really want to go to one this
weekend. After a LONG week of work I want to relax.
Thanx\
;0)

nikki


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Subject: right front speaker family =)
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 hi all...i was just reading all my mail after being away for a couple of
days when i saw this! i just got back from a trip to the northwest.
anyhow...i just wanted to say that i think jan did a great job of
describing just what rfsf is. you go girl! =) btw jan, you and i have some
travelling to do ;)  anyhow, if you guys have any other questions...feel
free to ask. and keep your eyes out for some rite front speaker family
prod. get-togethers and stuff in the future. =) i hope that you all had a
great weekend and i look forward to seeing most of you out soon!!

*keep smiling*

sarvi
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
                         RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY

          #######\ *   \|/     *   _ woo! * \|/   * /#######
          # (o) # |    -O- *     _( )__     -O- *  | # (o) #
          # (o) # |  * /|\   *  /.    / *   /|\    | # (o) #
          ####### |    *    ___m/|__m/___     *   *| #######
          #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '#
          # / \ # |  OO  OO| OO   O OOO   | OO   O | # / \ #  thub
          # \_/ # |  OOOOO | OOOO    OOOO | OOOO   | # \_/ #  thub
          #.   .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #.   .#  thub
          #######/  OOO  OO OOOO    OOOOO  OOOO     \#######

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ parvsa00@dons.usfca.edu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


jan wrote:

> 	i guess it's time to stop lurking, and speak up on what's the fuss
> over the right front speaker and the Right Front Speaker Family:
> 
> well, the right front speaker family is comprised of a number of ravers
> all over the country (and possibly a few in other countries as well) who
> prefer to dance in front of the right front speaker (according to where
> the dj is located). 
> the whole idea was originated by sarvi and i during the summer of 1994 :) 
> it was basically the "home base" we created so that we knew where our
> backpacks were, where others could find us, and where we can find each
> other during times of separation :)
> as the months progressed, we visited different parts of the US, raving
> along the way. at each rave, we still used the right front speaker as
> our "home base", and our friends started using the right front speaker as
> their "home base" as well. and with friends visiting and raving with us in
> the bay area, they started using the right front speaker as their "home
> base" too! 
> so the right front speaker has no fancy decorations. it doesn't
> necessarily have better sound than any of the other speakers. and the
> right front speaker family is not an elite group of ravers that only the
> chosen may join.
> why the right front speaker? well, the front speaker so we may easily see
> the turntables and the dj. and the right speaker because it was just
> closer in many cases! :)
> the right front speaker family is open for all to join, and it is just a
> place where you may find a number of your friends! and in no way does it
> discriminate against those who may make up a "left front speaker family"
> ;)  
> 
> *GASP* 
> jan finally posts ;)
> hehehehe...i hope to find all of you at the right front speaker ;)
> take care, and i will talk to you all later!
> 
> byebye,
> ...jan...
> delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu
> 
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 
>       "So, where can i find you at a rave? Where will you be?"
> 	"You can always find me at the Right Front Speaker"
> 
> 
> 	 #######\ *   \|/     *   _ woo! * \|/   * /#######
> 	 # (o) # |    -O- *     _( )__     -O- *  | # (o) #
> 	 # (o) # |  * /|\   *  /.    / *   /|\    | # (o) #
> 	 ####### |    *    ___m/|__m/___     *   *| #######
> 	 #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '#
> 	 # / \ # |  OO  OO| OO   O OOO   | OO   O | # / \ #  thub
> 	 # \_/ # |  OOOOO | OOOO    OOOO | OOOO   | # \_/ #  thub
> 	 #.   .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #.   .#  thub
> 	 #######/  OOO  OO OOOO    OOOOO  OOOO     \#######
> 
> 
> 		     Right Front Speaker Family
> 
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 
> 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 19 10:48:22 1996
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Last night, I was at Tower Video to rent a tape with Jamie. As I pass
the Bass counter, I finally ask her if she wants to go see the
Brothers, and she agrees, so I bought the tix. That $3.75 service
charge is legal scalping, as far as I'm concerned.

So, anyway, can anyone tell me what the Trocadero is like? This will
be my first visit there. Are there any particularly strategic spots
for dancing or listening there?

Who else on the list is going?

-G-


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From: "Jason Green*" <jason_green*@quickmail.apple.com>
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SO.
Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever seen is a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
I am.  :)  =)
_jason_


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From: "David" <davidt@best.com>
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Date:          Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:58:08 +0000
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Hello,

Has anyone heard or know of the summer soltice party in the Sierra's 
this weekend?

Davidt@londonantique.com

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To: Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM (Nikki Glover)
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Well......i know I'm going to check out the chemical brothers at the
Trocadero on Friday night
doors 8pm Tickets $15.00 from Reckless records, The Trocadero or Bass (turds).
They are a duo from England that play hip-hop inspired Techno or is that
Techno inspired hip hop.
Either way, these guys are coool. And have wicked visuals also.
Afterwards , i'lll probably head to 1015, unless something else comes up.

Saturday.....dunno.......just chill or maybe try and get out to the country.

Sunday...I just Gotta go to the Sunset party. I haven't been yet, but I
think I'll beg, borrow or
Steal a car to go.

Monday......If you like Techno you just HAVE to go the Fillmore to see
Orbital, Underworld &
Space Time Continuum. The first two acts are simply THE BOMB and I don't
know much about the last, but I had a spirituall experienece seeing Orbital
play to 30,000 people in Europe last 
summer.

Btw, are any other of you cool Sfraves people going to any of these shows ?
Let me know.

Peace,

Ciaran



At 10:22 AM 6/19/96 -0700, Nicole wrote:
>Hellooo there
>
>I was wondering if anyone could tell me what is going on this weekend??
>I haven't been to a party in soooo long and I really want to go to one this
>weekend. After a LONG week of work I want to relax.
>Thanx\
>;0)
>
>nikki
>
>
>
" As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed,
the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental 
intrusion"

Judge Stewart Dalzell's ruling last week regarding the Communications
Decency Act.       	


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 19 11:09:59 1996
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From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp)
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Dissimination of Information:

> Strychnine isn't strong enough to have any effect in the small doses 
> you'd need to try and fit it on a tab/in a microdot.  I usd to think so 
> too, but strychnine in acid is an urban legend ....

Well for anybody who cares, here's what I've picked up over the years:
1.  the "urban legend" I'm sure everybody has heard, that strychnine
(or speed) was added to acid to give you that body-buzz and enhance the
effect.  Never having met anybody that made acid, I believed it.
2.  Flipside magazine a couple of years ago ran a series of articles,
"Just Say Know", one of which was dedicated to acid (I can give exact
references to anybody that wants) where the author gave the low-down on
the dozen or so variations on the lsd molecule each of which had
slightly different effects ranging from nothing at all to mind/body
blowing experences (lsd-25 being the best)  As he pointed out, most
people cooking probably don't know about these let alone how to test
for them and how to guarentee a particular variant.  Some of those
variants gave the body-buzz, hot-cold flashes, stomache cramps, etc...
normally associated with strychnine--i.e., there is no strychnine in acid
3. Last fall, I met a person who claimed to have cooked acid with
`professionals' and he said they `painted' the sheets of paper used for
blotter with strychnine as a preservative.

There's my collected knowledge on the subject, you make the call.

I am not promoting the use of LSD as that would be inappropriate on
this list and inappropriate to several hundre people I don't know-
-it's not for everybody.  As the scientist who discovered LSD says,
"LSD is for the prepared mind"

Tim -- lurking no more

P.S. Feel free to correct or add to anything I stated above (perhaps by
     direct reply to me if it's not appropriate for the list)

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My brother is getting married on that day, and I'm the best man.  "No
offense Bro, but I know where I'd rather be."  Someone please catch a space
between the beat and experience the oneness for me.  Thanks.

Rick

At 10:56 AM 6/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>SO.
>Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever
seen is a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
>I am.  :)  =)
>_jason_
>
>
>



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I'm  moving out of my place at the end of the month and its up for grabs...a 
room in a cool warehouse space SOMA  for around $440 a month...better hurry 
tho..its going fast.....call 431.0635------------->aaron


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Date: 18 Jun 96 14:40:27
From:"Cassandra Ann Thomas " <owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com>
To: Milton,Cecil,moonpup@hooked.net
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Dear all:

I am also looking for a place in SAn Francisco starting now.  If anyone
would like to
make a day of looking give me a e-mail.

Cassandra

  On Thu, 13 Jun 1996,
Milton Cecil wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 13, 1996 1:45:27 PM  at SteveOSac@aol.com wrote: 
>  
> >You're not kidding, the housing situation really sucks right now.  I'm
> also 
> >looking for a place, it seems there are a few people on the list right
> now. 
> > Perhaps we can all keep our eyes out for a larger place, expanding our 
> >options couldn't hurt.  I'm actually looking for a place in Berkely, but I
> 
> >would certainly consider SF. 
> >Love, 
> >sTeVeO 
> >I'm a designer/student/business owner.  I dont make too much $, but I'm 
> >reliable, fairly neat, considerate, accepting and best of all, I'VE GOT
> ONE 
> >1200 TOO!  
> I'm looking for a place starting September... or is that too late for
> everybody? 
>  
> --erik 
>  
> **IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER** 
> These words were NOT written by moonpup 
> He's in London until late August 
>  
> ...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
> Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
> or drop me a line... 415-337-6666
> 



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I have been there a couple of times before, the last time was to see Banco
De Gaia 
perform a few months ago. That was a great show.
The venue is a decent size, maybe holda a couple of thou'
 with good acoustics and impressive sound system.
It's usually used for industrial nights such as Terminator & Bondage a Go-go.
I think the Terminator club is on after the show, so i'll hop, skip and Jump
elsewhere to hear *happy* tunes.
Staetegic spot for dancing ? wherever you feel like it I guess.

btw, the show ticket i have looks el cheopo, surely they could have designed
something a litttle more asthetically pleasing.........

See you there.

Peace 

Ciaran


At 10:48 AM 6/19/96 -0700, George wrote:
>Last night, I was at Tower Video to rent a tape with Jamie. As I pass
>the Bass counter, I finally ask her if she wants to go see the
>Brothers, and she agrees, so I bought the tix. That $3.75 service
>charge is legal scalping, as far as I'm concerned.
>
>So, anyway, can anyone tell me what the Trocadero is like? This will
>be my first visit there. Are there any particularly strategic spots
>for dancing or listening there?
>
>Who else on the list is going?
>
>-G-
>
>
>
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the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental 
intrusion"

Judge Stewart Dalzell's ruling last week regarding the Communications
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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, George Feil wrote:

> 
> So, anyway, can anyone tell me what the Trocadero is like? This will
> be my first visit there. Are there any particularly strategic spots
> for dancing or listening there?

The Trocadero is weird. They have a reputation for disliking the ravers 
that pay their bills, have problems with people bringing in any kind of 
containers ((sealed or empty)) and have been know to shut off the air 
conditioning to increase their bottled water sales. 

I saw the Chemical Brothers when they played at The Trocedero last year. 
$10 sunday night show with Jeno & Garth opening, which I thought was a 
good bill. The crowd was a strong mix of generic clubbers, kid DJ's, and 
a few raver types. like I said, Jeno & Garth opened and for the first few 
hours it had a disco feel to it, with room to dance and people doing just 
that. I was upstairs in the opium den/ ambient room when the Chemical 
Brothers took stage and everybody bolted downstairs. Below it became *very* 
packed, & dance floor was transformed into a Beastie Boys or any other 
kind of traditional stage show deal where the entire crowd was just kind 
of watching the TV up on stage and bopping their heads along. I danced in 
my sXe pose for most of the night & tried not to poke anybody in the eye.

After the Chemical Brothers ((60-80 min ?)) set about 60% of the crowd took 
off and Garth & Jeno tag teamed on the decks for another hour or so, once 
again transforning the place into a dance floor before the the Trocadero 
shut down at around 1:30 - 2am. Cool people showed up & I'm glad I went.

> 
> Who else on the list is going?
> 
> -G-
> 
> 


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TBOBSC@tevm2.nsc.com wrote:
>Comment on Blue Lagoon...correct me if I'm wrong, please, but isn't that
>just about the only actual dance club in Santa Cruz?  If so, wouldn't this
>tend to bring people in regardless of orientation, despite the fact that it
>is known to be a primarily gay club??

This does happen to an extent, but the Blue is just so mediocre that 
there's a limit to its attraction.  And now, though it's still the only 
full-time club, there are two steady weeklies offering a much better 
dance scene, so there's no need to go to the Blue just to get your fix.

anarch@scruznet.com

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On Jun 19, 11:09am, Tim Beauchamp wrote:
> Subject: Re: possibly important: bad tabs?
> Dissimination of Information:
>
> > Strychnine isn't strong enough to have any effect in the small doses
> > you'd need to try and fit it on a tab/in a microdot.  I usd to think so
> > too, but strychnine in acid is an urban legend ....
>
> Well for anybody who cares, here's what I've picked up over the years:
> 1.  the "urban legend" I'm sure everybody has heard, that strychnine
> (or speed) was added to acid to give you that body-buzz and enhance the
> effect.  Never having met anybody that made acid, I believed it.

Too bad. Both speed and strychnine are only active in milligram quantities
(LSD in the microgram range) and therefore (as the first post said) can
not be impregnated in large enough amounts in tab/blotter/microdot to
give _any_effect.

> 2.  Flipside magazine a couple of years ago ran a series of articles,
> "Just Say Know", one of which was dedicated to acid (I can give exact
> references to anybody that wants) where the author gave the low-down on
> the dozen or so variations on the lsd molecule each of which had
> slightly different effects ranging from nothing at all to mind/body
> blowing experences (lsd-25 being the best)  As he pointed out, most
> people cooking probably don't know about these let alone how to test
> for them and how to guarentee a particular variant.  Some of those
> variants gave the body-buzz, hot-cold flashes, stomache cramps, etc...
> normally associated with strychnine--i.e., there is no strychnine in acid

Correct. Actually I believed this to be the right explanation at first
and still think it could play a role (I am a chemist by profession btw).
However, I asked a Dutch chemist friend of mine who is a walking
encyclopedia (sp?) on psychedelics and their pharmacology and he said
it is more likely to be due to an overload of not only your central
nervous system ("the trip") but also the nerves connected to your
stomach, kind of like when your nervous or deeply in love (butterflies..)
and it gets to your stomach or bowels ;-) I've seen situations were
two people shared the same blotter acid and only one of them had
stomach trouble, apparently it depends more on the person than the
acid, in agreement with the last explanation.

> 3. Last fall, I met a person who claimed to have cooked acid with
> `professionals' and he said they `painted' the sheets of paper used for
> blotter with strychnine as a preservative.

Very unlikely, strychnine is mostly used to kill rodents (again in milligrams
that do not fit on a tab). It would make more sense to add an anti-oxidant
since LSD is sensitive to light and air (store in your fridge!). Unless
these people had a serious problem with psychedelic rats eating their
blotters by the dozen this seems not very "profesional".

> There's my collected knowledge on the subject, you make the call.

OK, for the very last time, their is no strychnine in acid, and even if
there would be, the dose would be too small to have any effect.
(check out alt.drugs where this theme comes back every so many weeks
and people are getting _really_ bored with repeating the same thing
over and over again.)

> I am not promoting the use of LSD as that would be inappropriate on
> this list and inappropriate to several hundred people I don't know-
> -it's not for everybody.  As the scientist who discovered LSD says,
> "LSD is for the prepared mind"

Or "his trouble child", I completely agree.

>
> Tim -- lurking no more
>
> P.S. Feel free to correct or add to anything I stated above (perhaps by
>      direct reply to me if it's not appropriate for the list)

I think it's appropriate, but perhaps this could be the final word...

The Frying Dutchman



-- 


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On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Roy Feague wrote:

> 12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on "The   
> Wonder Years?"
> gfriend: Winnie  best friend:?

Best Friend: Paul

> 15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"

Chrissy

> 
> 16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry Shortcake)
> hucklberry pie, ?, ?

Blueberry Muffin

> 30. Who was the lead actress in the famous bomb "Grease 2"?

Michelle Pfeiffer

> 34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
> Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?

Cyndi Lauper sang the theme song, but wasn't in the movie. 
Actors: Josh Brolin, Kerri Green, Corey Feldman, and Martha Plimpton

> 
> 37. What were the names of the Saturday morning cartoon critters who   
> lived in air-vents and befriended a boy who kept their secret hidden?

The Littles

> 38. Name Eddie Murphy's skit about vocabulary on Saturday Night Live

Mr. Robinson's Neighborhood

> 41. Who played Axel Foley's best friend in Detroit?

Paul Reiser

> 45. Which band had members Robert Palmer, Andy and John Taylor,  and Tony   
> Thompson?

 Power Station

 
> 46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby  Show?"
> Denise, ?, ?, ?, ?

Denise, Sandra, Roody, Theo, and Vanessa

> 
> 47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?

Blanche, Sophia, Rose, and Dorothy

> 49. What oldies song was revived by the movie about a certain principal   
> named Joe Clark?

Lean On Me

> 61. Name 2 of the original 4 MTV VeeJays

Nina Blackwood 
> 
> 64. What group sang "Come On Eileen"?
> Dexie's Midnight Runners


> 70. What was the name of He-Man's magician sidekick?

Battlecat

> 
> 72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
> Tootie, Blair, Mr. Garrett, ?, Bo?

nathalie and jo

> 80. Who played Ming of Mongo in "Flash Gordon"?

Max Von Sydow


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At 10:05 AM -0700 6/19/96, SDream wrote:

>BINGO.  And I hate feeling like I have to get someone to dance with me,
>cause in a club guys look a little stupid dancing by themselves.  And I

I disagree.  Dancing alone at a club is my way of closing my eyes to all
that I find negative at the club.  Of course, negative in *my* opinion.

(Believe it or not some people thrive on that environment, as much as we
thrive on ours.)

TR



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A friend asked me to post this to ya'll:
_________________

This is a really cool synth. It can do just an incredible amount of
stuff. All sorts of professional musicians use this synth including many
techo musicians. Pickup any issue of Keyboard or Electronic musician and
you can usaully find lots of discussion about it or join the K2000
ListServer.  I am not selling this because I want to but because I need
the money.

Kurtzweil K2000S sampling/synthesis keyboard with 3.01J OS, orchestral
sound ROM and extended PRAM installed for sale. No memory ram or hard
disk. Comes with all manuals and anything else that came with it.
Price $2200.00 (much less than I paid for it)

1 1/2 years old. Low use. Excellent condition. Original packing materials.

Paul Ossenbruggen
Please call or email me. I would probably want to do COD unless we can
meet in person.
(408) 974-0043(w)
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>> 16. Name 3 Strawberry Shortcake characters (besides Strawberry Shortcake)
>> hucklberry pie, ?, ?
>
>Blueberry Muffin

... and the Purple Pie Man.  That's three. (I _really_ shouldn't know these
things)

>> 34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
>> Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?

Speaking of Goonies, one of my friends from Cal informed me the other day
that the guy who played Chunk was this years Student Body President.  That
struck me as awfully funny.


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At 8:24 AM -0700 6/19/96, Amy R Starkey wrote:
>> Spinning and twirling
>> I transcended my limits
>> Puked up a blowpop
>
>This one is GREAT!!  It's totally my kinda humor, I tell ya.

I have to agree with Amy.

Thanks Lee, and stop me next time you see me to get your groovy patch!

Thanks all!

Tone



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     This is a dumb question! I've completely forgotten when Orbital are 
     playing and where - can anyone help?
     (Just read a posting that said tickets are for sale at Housewares for 
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Looks like Freedom will be 7/6 this year. Dunno the full line-up yet, but
it looks like Alex will be playing and I'll be playing in the ambient tent
again.

Joe


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Monday, June 24.

Rick


At 01:24 PM 6/19/96 PST, you wrote:
>     This is a dumb question! I've completely forgotten when Orbital are 
>     playing and where - can anyone help?
>     (Just read a posting that said tickets are for sale at Housewares for 
>     $20)..Thanks!
>
>
>



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 19 14:16:10 1996
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From: JOSHUA MICHAEL ABERANT <mist@sfsu.edu>
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well, i just got back from my east coast journey and im definately up for 
some fun tonight. anyone going to jackin the box or wish?

luv sarah

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From: Cindy Kawakami <cindy@hyperreal.com>
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Subject: 80s stuff
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Since people are on the '80s kick on sfraves...


http://www.80s.com/


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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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I thought this base was called sfraves, not "BULLETIN BOARD" for sale....

Hmmmm.....Maybe not....

 


**Records in stores throught the world. They are: > > > >               -
Trip - Hop Acid Phunk **vol 1 > > > >           - Trip - Hop Acid Phunk vol
2   > > > >             - Acid warfare **vol 1 > > > >          - House
Stompin' > > > >                - Adrenalin Hardcore **Rush > > > >        
    - Trip-Hop Acid Phunk vol 3 : The Hard Edition > > > >             ** 
- Electro Phunk  > > > >                - Beat Generator > > > >  > > > > 
and a 12" **single BY :THE TWEAKER called "All Tweaked Out" > > > >       
With remixes by **DJ Voodoo & The liquid Method > > > >                    
                and **Stryke > > >Thanks for your time...... > > > >  > > >
>  > > > >  > > > >             **                                      
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A wise one once said...




<<      Appropriate topics include: announcements of upcoming events;
reviews of previous <<shows/DJ's/new records, etc; discussion about
SF-related and rave- culture-related topics, <<like smart drinks;
discussion about rave-related stories on TV/in the newspaper, etc.
<<
<<      Love, happiness, peace, and respect,
<<
<<
<<      Brian
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<<      brianyperreal.com




                                                             Take Care,
                                                                           
    Jason

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From: solle@ix.netcom.com (Sunny)
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My dog and I caught a beautiful Pacific sunset up on Bolinas Ridge last night.  
Man, the whole time I could hear the faint beat of bongos from the next ridge 
over.  Even better, about an hour after sunset the stars were out and I started to 
feel these soft warm winds sweeping up from the valley below.  I can't describe 
how relaxing it was to feel those warm winds at night.

Anyhow, point being the summer solstice is this Friday.  Does anybody know of any 
outdoor events scheduled?  Please shoot me some mail if you do. Otherwise I'll 
have to get all Mayan up on Mt. Tam 'cause the weather is just too inviting.

Your Pal Always,
-SUNNY (Solle Clothing Co.) 

P.S. Hey, does anybody out there remember "Felix The Cat" outside of Santa Rosa or 
wherever it was, Summer '92 I think?  Boy, something like that would hit the spot 
right now. 

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>Looks like Freedom will be 7/6 this year. Dunno the full line-up yet, but
>it looks like Alex will be playing and I'll be playing in the ambient tent
>again.

RIGHT ON!!!  Do you know if it is going to be at the same Livermore 
location??

-M

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[ to sfraves list ]

 Someone asked recently whether any daytime events were happening on
Friday in relation to Solstice. I understand that Gateway Systems will
be holding an outdoor daytime/evening event called LIGHT. Info number
is (415) 536-9453. 2PM-9PM  All Ages. SFRaves calendar has more info.
 


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Me! This weekend is going to rock. See you at Organic.

On 19 Jun 1996, Jason Green* wrote:

> Date: 19 Jun 1996 10:56:49 -0700
> From: Jason Green* <jason_green*@quickmail.apple.com>
> To: sfraves <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
> Subject: ORGANIC '96 POLL
> 
> SO.
> Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever seen is a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
> I am.  :)  =)
> _jason_
> 

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
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On 19 Jun 1996, Jason Green* wrote:

> SO.
> Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever seen is a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
> I am.  :)  =)
> _jason_
> 
***********************************************************************
  so sorry to ask such a stoopid question...but where is this actually 
happening?  (sorry...I have been moving back from school and all that 
good stuff)

-mhg

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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 elizabeth_o'connor@ccmail.rsco.com wrote:

>      This is a dumb question! I've completely forgotten when Orbital are 
>      playing and where - can anyone help?
>      (Just read a posting that said tickets are for sale at Housewares for 
>      $20)..Thanks!
> 
>      ***********************************
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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Date: 20 Jun 1996 01:01:44 GMT
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Raver culture

200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.

400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.

600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
many hours/days of dancing.

800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.

1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the ultimate
end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw even
funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.



"dance with me..."


-Adam
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 19 17:19:43 1996
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>It's kinda ironic how I'd just run into one of the promoters at F-8 when I was
>buying tickets, and she'd promised me it'd be worth the drive cuz it was gonna
>go off...better luck next time, I guess...

The problem wasn't the promoters,  the problem was the PIGS.   They had applied
time and time again for the permit,  and according to the promoters,  they
got the verbal OK....   Thats why the cops let them continue after a silance
period.

Sacramento is not a very good place to have a rave.    Almost all parties get
shut down sooner or later.....

Crunchman



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>200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.
>

What is a Massive

>400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.
>

What is E (or A)

>600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
>many hours/days of dancing.
>

What is SPUN! (also a DJ)
>800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
>amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.
>

What is PLUR

>1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the ultimate
>end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw even
>funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.

um..........(Jepordy song going thru my head)..............

What is the year 2000?

-M


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>Raver culture
>
>200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.
What is a massive?
>400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.
What is e?
>600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
>many hours/days of dancing.
What is crashed?
>800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
>amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.
What is PLUR?
>1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the ultimate
>end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw even
>funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.
(uh...uh...*BZZZT*)
>
>
>"dance with me..."
>
>
>-Adam
>____________________________
>Transmitted from Computer Attic
>SuperCenter:  (415) 363-8100
>Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500
>____________________________



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On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Mark D. Camp wrote:

> >Looks like Freedom will be 7/6 this year. Dunno the full line-up yet, but
> >it looks like Alex will be playing and I'll be playing in the ambient tent
> >again.
> 
> RIGHT ON!!!  Do you know if it is going to be at the same Livermore 
> location??
> 
the flyers says :

Freedom 5 year anniversery

The Idjut Boys (England), Tony, Josh, Spun, Jon Williams, Rob Vaughan 
(Dallas), DJ Dan (!), Galen, Rob Doten, Alex

&

Darkhorse, Nick Philip, Polywog, Joe Rice

*San Francisco. CA* Saturday July 6.

hmmm.. an "outdoor festival" in San Francisco. I'll give bonus points for 
a line up that expands upon the standard "local 5 DJ's" though. should be 
way cool.  

> -M
> 
>                             ***ASTRONOUT***
>                           sounds textures beats
> 
> 
> 

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On 20 Jun 1996, Adam Guevara wrote:

> Raver culture
> 
> 200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.
massive
> 
> 400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.
e
> 
> 600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
> many hours/days of dancing.
spun
> 
> 800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
> amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.
plur
> 
> 1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the ultimate
> end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw even
> funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.
2012
> 
> 
> 
> "dance with me..."
> 
> 
> -Adam
> ____________________________
> Transmitted from Computer Attic
> SuperCenter:  (415) 363-8100
> Corporate HQ: (415) 614-7500
> ____________________________
> 


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From: John Deatherage <dwarzau@ns.net>
To: John Draper <crunch@well.com>
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> Sacramento is not a very good place to have a rave.    Almost all parties get
> shut down sooner or later.....

Yeah.. just about the only places left are Cal Expo (Smarties and Funky 
Tekno Tribe), under the Yolo Causeway on 80 when it's not flooded, and 
way out in BFE in a warehouse.  Anything in DOWNTOWN Sac will get 
busted.... I don't know why nobody's trying to do parties in warehouses 
this summer... last summer there were a ton of good parties that didn't 
even come close to get busted, all in warehouses... Liquid Groove, Common 
Ground, Tribal Funk, X-Files, and Ooga Booga all went off in warehouse or 
underground locations last year.

I think it's just the fact that nobody here wants to try because someone 
throws a party in the city the same night and nobody wants to drive all 
the way out here :)

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I'll take the easy ones...


Adam Guevara wrote:
> 200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.
> 
> 400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.what is e?

> 600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
> many hours/days of dancing.what is wrecked?


> 800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
> amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.what is PLUR?

> 1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the ultimate
> end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw even
> funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.dunno, man, you tell me and I'll be there!

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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, John Draper wrote:

> Sacramento is not a very good place to have a rave.    Almost all parties get
> shut down sooner or later.....

	But just past Sac the ground bulges up into the air and forms 
tall pointy things and large bowls and ridges and... There are many dirt 
roads which wonder trough these landscapes some of which people have 
followed. If more people followed these roads and brought some of the 
speaker cabinet things and some amps, some signal conditioning stuff, a 
genny, turntables, a mixer, and loads of cables to make spagetti with, we 
could have a party... Now if people would just drive up those dirt roads...

dave

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> 
> 
> well, i just got back from my east coast journey and im definately up for 
> some fun tonight. anyone going to jackin the box or wish?
> 
Hardsequencer is the guest at Wish tonight, so I think
I'll be there.

see you round...
-john.

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D. Bayer wrote:


>	But just past Sac the ground bulges up into the air and forms 
>tall pointy things and large bowls and ridges and... There are many dirt 
>roads which wonder trough these landscapes some of which people have 
>followed.

Hmmm, I'm thinking rice fields out on Hwy 70? 

Personally I could never get into the scene at all in Sac over the last 5 
years....perhaps it's because of the promoters, I don't know but to me there 
really was never a strong vibe in Sac to begin with because of parties always 
getting busted. I do remember Plush about 3 or 4 years ago, now that was 
nice.


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Here's my attempt to answer some of the questions that were omitted.
--m.z.l

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Roy Feague wrote:

> Still need answers for 5, 15, 16, 30, 37, 38, 41, 46, 47, 49, 50, 57, 61,   
> 68, 69, 70, 76, & 80...
 
> > >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>  
> 12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on "The   
> Wonder Years?"
> gfriend: Winnie  best friend:? 

Eric??
 
 
> 15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
 Chrissy (correct me if i'm wrong.)
 

> 34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
> Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?

 Was Corey Haim in this one too?
 
 
> 46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby  Show?"
 Denise, THeo, Vanessa, Carla?, and Rudy 
 
> 47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
 Clare, Blanch, ? ? 
 
> 72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
 Tootie, Jo, Blair, Natalie, and Mrs.Garrett.
  

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What the heck does BSP stand for  anyway?
Who's goin to the lounge tonight?

@ The Red Lion Inn, arden way (On the Mall side) (I think AKA Sacramento Inn)
10pm-3am
Sorry, dont have any other info, it's lots of fun though!
The Hardkiss boys (S&R) played last week and I almost soiled myself on the
dancefloor!
Don't miss another week of fun filled groovin!
: )
StEvEo



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At 05:23 PM 6/19/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>Raver culture
>>
>>200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.
>What is a massive?
>>400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.
>What is e?
>>600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
>>many hours/days of dancing.
>What is crashed?
>>800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
>>amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.
>What is PLUR?
>>1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the ultimate
>>end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw even
>>funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.

What is every Saturday?


: >


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ELEVATION 96 Sometime in August

Some might recall Elevation last fall equinox.  Fillip and I threw that party
on my friends space about 1.5 hrs into the mountains, midlle of no where, 10
miless of dirt road.  We had nearly well over 100 folks from all over out
there, one of the nicest outdoor parties I've been to. Gavin & many others
called best ever.  Well keep yer ears peeled for the next one.  That space is
still available but I'd like to find something closer.  We've also got a
couple of bands/artists that will be playing daytime for this one.
-StEvEo



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Say hi to Felps everyone [Felps8888@aol.com], this is one cool kitten
everyone should have the pleasure of knowing!  Welcome to the list Felps!
 Give us a profile!

Felps: -Great to hear from you! Yeah, I'm surprised we didn't run into each
other at Orion.  Keep me updated as to your outing habits & maybe we'll meet
again soon, before B.M.  & Thanks for the tip ; )

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From: John Deatherage <dwarzau@ns.net>
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Harlon had new copies of the DJ Dan + Ron D. Core mixtapes, DX2.  
Supposedly these are "limited" re-releases.  Are these still available at 
Ameba or other places?  I have the originals, but I'm a weird person who 
must waste money on st00pid things like this.  I bought the new copy of 
"House the Discotheque" just cuz it had a cool cover.

DJ Dan Junkie,

John

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From: andy@pythagoras.org (Andrew Nourse)
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I just heard on KPFA that TranceMission will be playing Friday in SF.
She said the "TranceMission Theater", which 411 doesn't seem to know about
and gave a phone number that goes to City of Tribes records but has no
recorded info on this.
Anybody else heard anything?


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hello all-

as i sit here, at my desk, contemplating the finer points of the common
gateway interface (if you don't know what that is, be happy!) i
wish to send out the joy i have that i have finished a particularly
difficult project to everyone else!!!

so here goes --


I LOVE LIFE!!!!!

o.k.  i got that out of my system.

hope to see y'all soon!!!!

i love ya-

matt l

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Andrew Nourse wrote:
> 
> I just heard on KPFA that TranceMission will be playing Friday in SF.
> She said the "TranceMission Theater", which 411 doesn't seem to know about
> and gave a phone number that goes to City of Tribes records but has no
> recorded info on this.
> Anybody else heard anything?

Nothing about KPFA, but the Transmission Theatre exists at 11th and Folsom, 
just behind the Paradise Lounge (on 11th).  It's a really nice space.

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>Sacramento is not a very good place to have a rave.    Almost all parties get
>shut down sooner or later.....
>
>Crunchman

I don't believe this to be true.  The majority of parties I've been to here
have continued through the night as planned.

Rick



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Congrats to Tony, trose@violet.berkeley.edu...

For catching all the jepoardy questions....  

> Raver culture
> 
> 200$ Answer: A large party, in excess of 5000 people in attendance.
massive
> 
> 400$ Answer: This is a raver's favorite vowel.
e
> 
> 600$ Answer: Past tense of a car losing control or how a raver feels after
> many hours/days of dancing.
spun
> 
> 800$ Answer: An acronym for a raver mode of thought regarding well being
> amongst ravers and non-ravers alike.
plur
> 
> 1000$ Answer: A date in raver-lore to when the whole shebang and the
ultimate
> end of everything is coming, thus giving reasons for promoters to throw
even
> funer, more vibe-filled and faster, events.
2012


And the grand prize is... 

2Lbs of Blowpops!!!  Oh, and of course the 3000$, payable in Monopoly 
money... =)


BTW:  Mark Camp,camp@gala.apple.com  The judges will accept A as an answer
for the 400$ question...


"Dance with me...."

-Adam
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Hey, gang!  A friend named Stephanie is going to Denver, CO at the
beginning of July, and would appreciate any insights folks might have on
the scene over there.  If any of youse has info for her, please send e-mail
and positive vibes to: Smakd@aol.com.

Thanks, and have a beautiful day!

- E



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howdy all 
a couple of weeks ago I went to amsterdam and isreal via germany, (some 
pics at  http://shgc-www.stanford.edu/~piercy/fun.html) Well amsterdam 
was pretty crazy it's nice to be in a place were you dont have to hide 
like a criminal while smoking potIn Frankfurt I watched some MTV style 
show that played Jungle videos and then had a DJ mix live in front of the 
camera(very strange) in Isreal EVERY where was trance.  In amsterdam it 
was all about jungle I picked up some flyers there-seems like alchohol is 
a big part of the club seen,go figure-I mean its Amsterdam why drink, you 
can buy mushrooms ant your local head shop (remember these are the 
imperesions of a visitor-maybee i got the wrong flyers)  Isreal was 
definatly diferent I felt kinda like an outsider(not being jewish or arab) 

 I had a really facinating conversation with a young Isreali 
guy-so funny i wrote it down maybee it'll go on my page.  It was amazing 
being in a place with so much history and so much tension-it took me an 
hour to get out of the airport due to the exit interview that every one 
must go thru, becouse I fly on an Airline discount i cant reserve a seat 
the plane was full so i had to sit in a little fold-out seat behind the 
captain that was pretty starnge-especially landing.  Basically electronic 
music is totally accepted as 'normal' there(last time i went it still 
seemed obscure) and that was bizare to me-in this place it still gets put 
down quite alot-I geuss I prefer it that way, but i'm strange that 
way-not to many Lucky Srtike sponsered massives here... yet
SEe ya
MArk 

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>BTW:  Mark Camp,camp@gala.apple.com  The judges will accept A as an answer
>for the 400$ question...

Thanxs.  I was sweatin' over that one :)

-M

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> I think it's just the fact that nobody here wants to try because someone 
> throws a party in the city the same night and nobody wants to drive all 
> the way out here :)

To me, San Francisco just has a different feel to her raves.  I know most 
of the promoters in Sac and I appreciate what all of them are doing, and 
occasionally I will attend a club that they are doing.  But like John 
Deatherage pointed out, Sac gets BUSTED!  (with a few exceptions) And so 
I would just rather not go.  

Hm...plus I just KNOW more people in SF.  I go to a Sac party, and i know 
the people throwing the event - and, hell, they're busy!  I'm putting 
more energy into the SF vibe anyways, because it will be my HOME by the 
end of this year (if all goes as planned...)

love,
Amy

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> ELEVATION 96 Sometime in August
> 
> Some might recall Elevation last fall equinox.

Oh yeah.  Now that was a great rave!  That was the best vibe I ever 
caught from Sac people, but then again, it takes a special kind of person 
to trek through miles of mountain dirt roads at night....

love,
Amy 

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Hello there again,

HELP

 I posted a week ago that I needed to find a room for rent,well the need is even
greater now. I have to find a place within the next month or two. I am going to
crash at a friends for right now but it only temporary.

I work in San Jose and willing to live anywhere in the area. I am 23 looking
for someone that is responsible but yet likes to party and have a good time.
I have a steady job and open to anything. As I said before I have been out of 
the scene and I want to come back. If anyone has anything or any ideas please
let me know.You can email me privatly.

Thanx,
nikki
;0}

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I'll be there with more than one sfraver (I think)!!

-KaySEE


On 19 Jun 1996, Jason Green* wrote:

> SO.
> Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever seen is a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
> I am.  :)  =)
> _jason_
> 
> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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On Jun 20,  9:06am, Mark Piercy wrote:
> Subject: my euro-trip and such

Ah you visited the truly home of the free! ;-)

> Well amsterdam
> was pretty crazy it's nice to be in a place were you dont have to hide
> like a criminal while smoking pot.

Isn't it wonderful? With the European Community coming things might get
more restricted since our neighbouring countries complain that every
body is importing Dutch pot from Holland. Did you try the Dutch-grown
superskunk? Highest THC content in the world I believe. Guaranteed to
knock you off your socks...

> In amsterdam it  was all about jungle I picked up some flyers

Mostly among the black kids, we have everything from 200 bpm gabber to
easy tunes (latest trend). Check out the Mazzo next time (I heard they
are back at their old (great) location after a fire. Great techno under-
ground club.

> there-seems like alchohol is a big part of the club seen,go figure-

And vice versa I'm still amazed by the attitude here concerning alcohol.
In my impression one almost forces people to use dope (at the Tibetan Freedom
concert it was hard to see the bands through the potsmoke clouds). At home
those who don't like to get high/tweek just have a beer and are still
cool. I feel it's better to inform/educate people and learn them some
responsibility than treating them like little kids. Here you have a
beautiful country with great weather and you can not even drink a cold
beer on the beach/at a street terrace or after 2 o'clock at night. Weird.

> I mean its Amsterdam why drink, you can buy mushrooms at your local head shop

And via the internet! (USD accepted, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~psee/)
Again, in Holland we leave it up to the people what they want to do,
Wanna smoke weed? Fine. Wanna have a beer? Fine too. We don't force
anybody to do anything and still the nightlife/raves/clubs are as
relaxed as over here. Perhaps it's not the alcohol but the attitude?
Here there seem to be laws againts anything that is even remotely fun,
no wonder people take it to extremes when they get the chance
(I'm still amazed for instance by the ease and quantity with which
acid is used in this country, now that's a drug which should be used
with a bit more respect and caution).

> (remember these are the imperesions of a visitor-maybee i got the wrong
> flyers)

No, alcohol is present as almost any rave, no ID's are checked, if you're
18 you're considered adult and basically anything goes. Police policy
is not to arrest the users but to get the large-scale traders....
Leave it to the people and inform them rather then arrest them, let
them learn from their own mistakes (=better them having somebody
telling you what's best)

I liked your webpage (feeling homesick seeing the canal...).
Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh (too much coffee this morning? Hehe,
another typical American habbit), just trying to explain some cultural
differences here,

Cheers,

The Frying Dutchman




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Clarification:  I will be at the Fillmore show on the 24th not the big 
weekend one.  Hmm...maybe those of us going to this should try and meet 
up at the show?  :)

kaysee


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I'll be there with more than one sfraver (I think)!!

-KaySEE


On 19 Jun 1996, Jason Green* wrote:

> SO.
> Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever seen is a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
> I am.  :)  =)
> _jason_
> 
> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****



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A message posted earlier said Freedom was to be held in San
Francisco...?  What happened to Livermore, does anyone know?  I've been
told it would be "just plain wrong" to hold this annual event anywhere
else.  Does anyone know the score here?

Thanks!  Hope everyone's day is filled with sunshine!
John

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I'll be there... I need to get tickets today...  Hopefully it's not sold 
out.  If they have Fillmore posters there... ohhhh.. need to rest for a 
sec. :)

> Clarification:  I will be at the Fillmore show on the 24th not the big 
> weekend one.  Hmm...maybe those of us going to this should try and meet 
> up at the show?  :)

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     Yup, 
     
     Absolutely - has to be done !! Fyi: I got my tkts last night so 
     they're still available..... 
     
     T'would be cool to meet some friendly SFRavers down there so does 
     anybody know the resort well enough to suggest a meeting place ??  
     Pick a spot & time & lets do it !! 
     
     Some other questions : Guestimate driving time from SF anybody ??  
     Weather, weather altogether what's it gonna' do (*) ?? What sort of 
     togs should we take ?
     
     See you there !!
     
     Loves, JR
     
     (PS. I'll buy a Beer/Popsicle/RefreshmentOfYourChoice for the first 
     person to finish this little ditty)
     
        


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SO.
Underworld's first U.S. appearance and the biggest event the US has ever seen is
a mere 3 days away.  The only question is....who's going???
I am.  :)  =)
_jason_
     


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Okay.  Most of you probably won't get this, but I saw this on another list
this morning and had to forward it.  Long live experimental music.


>        Knock knock.
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>        Who's there?
>
>        Philip Glass.
>
>        Philip Glass who?
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>        Knock knock.
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>        Philip Glass.
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>        Philip Glass who?
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>        Knock knock.
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>        Philip Glass.
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>        Philip Glass who?
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>        Philip Glass.
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>        Philip Glass who?
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>        ...
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Jake Reichert			|  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu	|  But now I'm not so sure...		
http:/web.usfca.edu/~reicja00	|                    -The The
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                     "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------    The Happy Family
A=====================================V  Bulgarian Voices | Pixies 
|          |              |   ____    |  Bauhaus |  Frazier Chorus
|     /|   |      /\      |  |    \   |  Michael Brook |  Spirea X
|    / |   |     /  \     |  |     \  |  The Breeders |  Colourbox
|   /  |   |    /    \    |  |      | |  Dead Can Dance |  Dif Juz
|  /___|   |   /______\   |  |      | |  Throwing Muses |  The The
|      |   |  /        \  |  |     /  |  Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema
|      |   | /          \ |  |___ /   |  Cocteau Twins | Liquorice  
A=====================================M  Lisa Germano  | M|A|R|R|S
X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides |   The Birthday Party
A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch  | C.V.O  |  Air Miami
Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow
That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks  |  Lisa Gerrard  | Last Dance |  Lush
Modern English |  Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde |  This Mortal Coil   
The Wolfgang Press |  Richenel |  His Name Is Alive  | Pale Saints
The Glee Club    ---------------------------------    Colin Newman
                       "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"      


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Here are the directions for In-Organic. A $5 donations rave put on by 
your friendly SoCal people this Friday before Organic. Hope to see you 
some there.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
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From: Andy Kumeda <kumeda@intelenet.net>
To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu
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Subject: In-Organic Directions [corrected]

Ok, here it is!

The map point will open promptly at 8pm and will close around 1am, so
PLEASE arrive as early as possible.

The detailed directions will begin at the 10/215 intersection, so it
will assume that you will be able to find your way there.  I think most,
if not all of you have been to the Orange Show at one time or another.
If you don't know where it is, consult your local California roadmap,
and if you still need further assistance, leave a message on the
voice-mail line and I'll get back to you.

The number in the parentheses is the milage, so when you get to the
10/30, zero out your trip meter.

========================================================================

>From the 10/215 intersection, take the 215 north for 5.9 miles to the 
30 east.

You should now be at the intersection of the 215 and the 30 freeway, so
zero out your trip meter.
(0.0)

Continue on the 30 for 5.3 miles until you see the 330.  The sign should
read Mountain Resorts.
(5.3)

You will see a sign that says welcome to the San Bernardino Mountains on
your right at the base of the mountain.
(7.3)

On your left, you will see a Forest Service station.
(10.5)

Continue on this road...

After a little while, you will come to a fork near Running Springs.
Continue under the bridge towards Big Bear.
(21.0)

On your left, you'll see a Union station.  If you don't have gas at this
point, get it there because you won't find one until you get into town.
(21.4)

A few miles down the road, you'll get to Green Valley where KC and a
bunch of others will be camped out.  DO NOT turn!
(23.9)

Keep on driving....

On your right will be Snow Valley -- site of Organic!
(26.9)

About a mile later, you will reach a spot where you can almost see the
lake.  This is the beginning of the Arctic Circle.
(28.4)

Continue on this winding road til you get to a fork.  This is the dam at
the edge of the lake.  Turn right.
(33.8)

After driving on the south side of the lake (Big Bear lake will be to
your left), you'll see a Texaco gas station on your right, and a sign
welcoming you to Big Bear straight ahead.  Turn left onto Paine Rd.
(37.8)

Paine turns into Big Bear Blvd (Hwy 18), which is the one and only main
boulevard that goes through the town.  About a mile and a half down,
you'll see a Shell gas station on your right.  This is Summit Blvd, and
to your right is Snow Summit.  Keep on going...
(39.6)

After another mile, you'll see an AM/PM on your right.  Continue on...
(40.8)

You will soon see the Big Bear Convention Center on your left.  This is
Division.  Keep on going... you're almost there.
(41.8)

Finally, on your left, you'll see a Chevron station.  Turn left onto
Greenway -- the only signal intersection in Bear City.
(43.1) 

The map point will be at the Big Bear City Park on your right.  Turn in
and you'll see someone there.  Please don't loiter around there -- leave
for the site as soon you recieve your map. 


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Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Kumeda <kumeda@intelenet.net>
To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu
Subject: In-Organic (6/21/96)

Here are a few things to remember or keep in mind -- please respect our
wishes so that we can continue to bring you more high-quality events in 
the future.  (Directions to the map point will follow shortly in a
separate e-mail.)  

Also, please forward this message, along with the directions to those
that are not on socal-raves -- thanks. 

Things to bring:
o  layered clothing -- it gets chilly at night (low 40's), and very 
   warm (80's) during the day
o  blankets, tents, and sleeping bags for warmth and to rest up for 
   Organic
o  food and drinks (free water will be provided if necessary)
o  fire extinguisher(s) if you own one (in case of emergency)
o  candy, toys, and other goodies to share with everyone

Things NOT to bring OR do:
o  hazardous/flammable material of any kind -- ie no fireworks,
   campfires, flame-throwers, or smoking outside of designated areas
o  nitrous tanks and/or balloons -- ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS

General tips:
o  PLEASE DO NOT attempt to drive if not completely sober and awake
o  PLEASE DO NOT disturb wildlife or its natural surroundings -- respect 
   Mother Nature
o  PLEASE DO NOT wander onto the main road from the site (to avoid 
   attracting any unnecessary attention)
o  PLEASE throw trash away in one of the several trashcans situated near
   the dance area
o  PLEASE keep the music down in your cars as you are travelling through
   town and in populated areas -- the law enforcement in Big Bear do not
   take too kindly to loud, repetitive digital music

Things TODO:
o  ooze excess PLUR and share with those that are a little lacking
o  hug at least one person you don't know, smile, or just say hello
o  if you see trash, please pick it up and deposit at the nearest trashcan 
o  MOST OF ALL HAVE LOTS OF FUN!!! 

Ok, and the final details...

BBQ will begin around 6pm, so bring your fave item to throw on the
barbie.

The roads leading to the site are a little bumpy, but should be
accessible by any vehicle.  If you arrive after sunset, drive slow, and
keep your eye out for rocks and ditches.  We will be trying to clear out
all major obstacles before you all arrive to make the drive as smooth as
possible.

There will be free goodies to the first 200 people, so again, arrive
early.

Finally, the cost for this event is ONLY $5.

Hope to see you all there!!!


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
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To: socal-raves@ucsd.edu, sd-raves@tekno.net
Subject: In-Organic final update


July 21st 1996!  Come celebrate the summer solstice with us and dance
under the stars with ....    

                   *  *   *  **  *   *   * *   * *    *  
                *                                   * *
     ! ! ! ! !           I N  - - -  O R G A N I C       ! ! ! ! ! !
                  * *                                   * 
                 *  * *    * **  *  * * *** *    *      *



OK everyone,

I think this'll be the last update for IN-ORGANIC before I post the
directions to the map point here this Thursday.  

Well, first of all, I'd like to ask all the volunteers that responded to
me that wished to help out with the party to get back to me ASAP so that
I may arrange cabin space for you.  Just a reminder, we are looking for
people to volunteer some time to help with doing 'party stuff' in 
exchange for cabin space.  So if you're interested, please get back to 
me ASAP!  Thanks.

Alrighty...
The DJ lineup has been confirmed (in order of appearance):
	Superstar DJ Trouble (need I say more?)
	KC (Dune)
	Brad (Mother Earth)
	Daniel (Moontribe)
Note that there may be some last minute additions/changes.

Sound will be provided by Ohm Soundlabs, who will bring out the same
system that was present at the last Moontribe, so the forest will be
rocking!

Medical support will be provided by Medi-Rave!

We will have BBQ grills at the location starting at around 5pm, so come
out early and grub with us.  Please bring your favorite grillable items,
since we won't be able to provide food for everyone.  If anyone is
interested in joining our little BBQ gathering, please RSVP as soon as
possible by sending me an e-mail.

Also, remember that this party is not limited to the socal list people, 
so spread the word to those that aren't on the list.  As long as they
bring good vibes, all are welcome! 

We also ask that if anyone has a fire extinguisher, that they would
bring it and leave it in their cars -- just in case.  We will have
several, but it'll be nice to have a few more laying around.  Speaking
of fires, remember folks that there is to be NO FIRES of any kind!  Do
NOT SMOKE in the mountains!  We will be designating a smoking area, so
please do not light up anywhere outside of there -- PLEASE!

Finally, we will NOT be allowing ANY nitrous tanks anywhere near the
area.  If you are planning on bringing one -- DON'T!  

If you can't check your e-mail Thursday for directions to the map point,
just call the following number:

                   7  1  4 - 2  2  4  9  7  7  9

See you all there!


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Subject: Re: NRR - 80's Answers! (fwd)
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Here's my attempt to answer some of the questions that were omitted.
--m.z.l

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Roy Feague wrote:

> Still need answers for 5, 15, 16, 30, 37, 38, 41, 46, 47, 49, 50, 57, 61,   
> 68, 69, 70, 76, & 80...
 
> > >>>* * * * * * * * * 80 QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EIGHTIES * * * * * * * * *
>  
> 12. What were the names of Kevin's best friend and girl friend on "The   
> Wonder Years?"
> gfriend: Winnie  best friend:? 

Eric??
 
 
> 15. Who was the 4th child on "Growing Pains?"
 Chrissy (correct me if i'm wrong.)
 

> 34. Name 3 of the actors from "The Goonies"
> Cyndi Lauper, Corey Feldman...  am I thinking of the right movie here?

 Was Corey Haim in this one too?
 
 
> 46. What were the names of all five Huxtable kids on "The Cosby  Show?"
 Denise, THeo, Vanessa, Carla?, and Rudy 
 
> 47. What were the names of the four Golden Girls?
 Clare, Blanch, ? ? 
 
> 72. Name the 4 girls from the "Facts of Life" and their chaperone
 Tootie, Jo, Blair, Natalie, Mrs. Garrett.

The answer to the question about Duran Duran's original name is:
Arcadia
(i think)


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Subject: Re: Freedom (bsp)
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> A message posted earlier said Freedom was to be held in San
> Francisco...?  What happened to Livermore, does anyone know?  I've been
> told it would be "just plain wrong" to hold this annual event anywhere
> else.  Does anyone know the score here?

Despite the Livermore racetrack being a giant dustbowl and windy area, I 
wouldn't want Freedom to be anywhere else.  That place brings back so 
many memories - the most vivid being the fire back in '93.

curious also,
Amy

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Nope, you were wrong about Duran Duran's original name.

Arcadia was the band that Simon, Nick and Roger formed after D2 broke up 
for a brief time.  Arcadia's  most famous singles included "Re-election 
Day" and "Goodbye is Forever".

Duran Duran's original name was RAF.  Someone said it was Barbarella, but 
that was the name of the movie in which they got their name, Duran Duran.

I don't know if anyone really even cares, but I worshiped this band long 
ago, and this is the only question on the list that nobody can get.  
Trust me, it is right! :)

My apologies for taking up bandwidth on sfraves, beign that this is is 
off topic.

so an obrave: we should have a rave with an 80's dress up theme! :):)

love,
Amy

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|  '\`o O'    |
|   =(_^_)=   |         Amy Starkey
|     |U|     |         sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu
|     | |     |      
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From: epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson)
Subject: (NRR/BP) Solstice event in San Jose
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That's right, kiddies: Stella Luna will be providing atmospheric,
vibe-inspiring, energy-invoking music (might call it ambient noise) to
celebrate the Summer Solstice!  It happens this Friday night at midnight,
at the Towne Theatre in downtown San Jose.  It's free, and there will be
wonderful people there, some of whom you may know; it's always a pleasant
surprise to see people show up "out of the blue" for these shows.  If you
can, I encourage you to attend!  Welcome the summer of '96 :)

Peace,

- E



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Hello all you wonderful summer fun lovers!  This Friday is Gateway's 1 year
anniversary Light Summer Solstice Celebration.  The line-up is in order
starting at 1pm. ending at 10p.m. Conciousness Lab (ambient meditation) then,
Monty, Galen, Andre Lucero, Jon Williams, John Carel, and a short closing
ambient meditation.  We are encouraging everyone to bring some type of
creative exchange like games, food, drums, didjeridoos, smiles, friends,
anything to share and celebrate!  There will be volleyball, croquette,  kiddy
pools w/ water, and a special art area.  The park is in Oakland near the
airport and is beautiful.  Directions are:  Take 580 tward the Oakland
Airport, Exit Hagenburger Rd., make the 1st right onto Edgewater, go up 1/4
mile and turn left onto Pardee.  Pull into the dirt parking lot directly on
your right.  The path into the park is paved and marked. Come and play in the
sun on the day with the most light! 
                                                    Feel it - Love!
                                                 -Gateway Systems
 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 13:00:23 1996
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     Hello there,
        A friend and I are looking for a third roommate to share a three 
     bedroom house\duplex in the San Mateo area (somewhere between S.F. and 
     S.J.). We are planning on a move-in date of August 1. We are both 21 
     year old males, work full-time, school and party part-time. In to 
     raving, music and hanging out. Very responsible as far as finances go. 
     Let me know if you or anyone you know is interested or know of a 
     possible house available. Later.
     
     -Renzo
     
     please reply directly to renzo@ngc.com


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Author:  Nicole.Glover@Ebay.Sun.COM (Nikki Glover) at SMTPLINK
Date:    6/20/96 11:42 AM


Hello there again,
     
HELP
     
 I posted a week ago that I needed to find a room for rent,well the need is even
greater now. I have to find a place within the next month or two. I am going to 
crash at a friends for right now but it only temporary.
     
I work in San Jose and willing to live anywhere in the area. I am 23 looking 
for someone that is responsible but yet likes to party and have a good time. 
I have a steady job and open to anything. As I said before I have been out of 
the scene and I want to come back. If anyone has anything or any ideas please 
let me know.You can email me privatly.
     
Thanx,
nikki
;0}


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Aw, rats!  I can't make it :(  I'll sent lots of love and positive energy
out to y'all, though, and I hope someone thinks of me while they're having
a good time.

Peace, my friends!

- E



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I know this thread is a little old, but I have some new info.

Guitar Center in El Cerrito sells 1200's for $499

>Go to Zeebra records on Haight Street (at Fillmore).  Last time I saw 
>them selling 1200's they where $460 each.

Just called Zeebra, and they are now $530 (cash only)





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are you ready for a brand new beat?
Summer's here, and the time is right
For Dancin' in the Street!




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Just got confirmation of Trance Mission from City of Tribes via e-mail:

>Trance Mission play this Friday, 21 June at the
>Transmission Theatre (11th @ Folsom, SF)  It's a celebration of the release
>of their new album, Head Light, and also a Summer Solstice Rave.  Other
>performers include Charming Hostess, Earth Circus, Fat Chance Belly Dance and
>DJs Pollywog and Les Schill.  Admission is $12, advance tickets available at
>Aquarius (SF), Round World (SF), Shambala Books (Berkeley) and all BASS
>Ticket outlets.  PS Head Light is on Sale at Virgin Megastore thru 6/23.
>   PPS. Transmission Theatre is a 21+ venue.

If anyone needs a ride directly from Light to this event, I should have a
little room . . .

leftjab




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I don't know if it's changed, but Circuit City used to sell them for $399 
without needles and cartridges..

> I know this thread is a little old, but I have some new info.
> 
> Guitar Center in El Cerrito sells 1200's for $499
> 
> >Go to Zeebra records on Haight Street (at Fillmore).  Last time I saw 
> >them selling 1200's they where $460 each.
> 
> Just called Zeebra, and they are now $530 (cash only)
> 
> 
> 
> 

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heyy,
 i won tix to the trancemission cd release party thingy, which is great cuz
i dig stephen kent and didges in general...i'll be there after dropping by
Light on the way home from work..

anyway, i've never been to this theater, anybody have info on what kind of
venue it is?  will we be sitting in numbered seats, or is it a big dance
floor type place or ?  also, that someone posted earlier about it being a
rave has me confused...any idea how late it will run?

thanks
 justin :)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 15:02:54 1996
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From: Cassandra Ann Thomas <senator@leland.Stanford.EDU>
To: Andrew Nourse <andy@pythagoras.org>
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I think they meant the transmission theatre which is in SOMA.  I do not
remember the exact address but it is listed in the sfweekly.

Cassandra

On Wed, 19 Jun
1996, Andrew Nourse wrote:

> I just heard on KPFA that TranceMission will be playing Friday in SF.
> She said the "TranceMission Theater", which 411 doesn't seem to know about
> and gave a phone number that goes to City of Tribes records but has no
> recorded info on this.
> Anybody else heard anything?
> 
> 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 15:05:07 1996
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From: Seth Joshua Horvitz <acid23@uclink.berkeley.edu>
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For those of you not heading to the mountains this weekend and looking for
something to do after the Gateway party on friday, check out:

A Light in the Addict

with dj's  Warren
	   Seth
	   Minor Minor
	   Deaks
	   Brad (Consciousness Lab)

Taking place at 443 Stevenson Alley between 5th and 6th below
Market.  Cost: 5 bucks.  Party will start at 10:30pm and go till about 6.
Hope you can make it!


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 15:15:28 1996
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Seth Joshua Horvitz <acid23@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: sfraves@hyperreal.com
Subject: free tix for Loop Guru, Orbital shows (BSP- sort of)
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Although I won't be doing my radio show tonight (I'll be spinning for the
Solstice party in the Sierras), my competent replacement will be giving
away a pair of tix to both the Loop Guru and Underworld/Orbital/Spacetime 
shows.  Interested (and poor) persons listen up :)

Thursday night
90.7fm KALX Berkeley
9:30pm-midnight
Aurora Borealis

And if you miss your chance Thursday, there may also be some tix given
away between noon and 3pm tomorrow on Alice Underground's show.

-Seth


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 15:45:29 1996
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:48:01 -0400
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From: Stephan Lien <sulivan@gate.net>
Subject: hi :) *introduction*
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        Hi :)...my name is Steve, my friends call me Stevie, I live in
Florida but I will be visting the San Fransisco area July 10th-18th, so as I
always do when I go on trips I subscribed to the lsit in that area :)..so I
am here....anyway if you guys have any net meets when I am there(Us
FL-Raversd have them monthly) then please e-mail me...I would love to meet
some of you guys :)...and I always need help finding my way around a new
scene ;)....thanx for your time

Don't forget to Smile :)



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Dear e-mail God,

Please send all mail to cam@ap.net
and take this address out of the database.
Thank you,
-- 
NATE S. HARTMAN - FuNkZastER 
Commercial Zen, Inc. (COMZEN '96)  
161 BOLINAS RD. FAIRFAX, CA. 94930  
PH (415)453 7230 * FAX (415)453 7230


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 15:57:07 1996
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From: Aleph One <aleph1@dfw.net>
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Subject: Stress
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	Oh boy. Man, I'am so stressed right now I could blow a fuse. Argh...
trying to work over the net is like trying to work on honey. VERY SLOW. Damm
Igot a thousand things to do and I know I can't do them all.... Hmm..
Think I'll put on that Electric Skychurch CD and take a hot shower. I refuse
to work anymore today. Someone come over and give me a message. Pleaseeeee...

Peace. And see you at Organic.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
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From: reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu (Jake Reichert)
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Just sitting here at my desk thinking, "Why the hell didn't I go to that
Stereolab show in April?"  I must have been smoking crack or something to
miss it.  Did any of you groovy SFR-types happen to catch it?  If so, what
was it like?

As long as I'm talking about totally non-rave related music, if anyone else
out there besides me is interested in His Name Is Alive (some of you might
have heard of them if you have the Ambient Extractions 2 cd), they have a
flexi-only 7" that is in this month's issue of _Warped Reality_.  If you're
interested, let me know and I can give you the ordering details (mag and 7"
together are $4).

Mr. Jake,
Who may need to start begging on Haight St. to come up with enough money to
buy HNIA's new ep

Jake Reichert			|  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu	|  But now I'm not so sure...		
http:/web.usfca.edu/~reicja00	|                    -The The
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                     "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------    The Happy Family
A=====================================V  Bulgarian Voices | Pixies 
|          |              |   ____    |  Bauhaus |  Frazier Chorus
|     /|   |      /\      |  |    \   |  Michael Brook |  Spirea X
|    / |   |     /  \     |  |     \  |  The Breeders |  Colourbox
|   /  |   |    /    \    |  |      | |  Dead Can Dance |  Dif Juz
|  /___|   |   /______\   |  |      | |  Throwing Muses |  The The
|      |   |  /        \  |  |     /  |  Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema
|      |   | /          \ |  |___ /   |  Cocteau Twins | Liquorice  
A=====================================M  Lisa Germano  | M|A|R|R|S
X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides |   The Birthday Party
A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch  | C.V.O  |  Air Miami
Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow
That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks  |  Lisa Gerrard  | Last Dance |  Lush
Modern English |  Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde |  This Mortal Coil   
The Wolfgang Press |  Richenel |  His Name Is Alive  | Pale Saints
The Glee Club    ---------------------------------    Colin Newman
                       "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"      


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 16:05:02 1996
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hello all-

yes, i am totally oblivious, but what is the organic show coming up?  i
must have been on crack, but i totally missed the first part of the
organic strain.  can anyone set me straight?

i love ya-

matt l

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At 03:02 PM 6/20/96 -0700, Cassandra Ann Thomas wrote:
>I think they meant the transmission theatre which is in SOMA.  I do not
>remember the exact address but it is listed in the sfweekly.

The group is playing at the theater of the same name.


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 16:13:34 1996
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I got mine at Whole Earth Access for $359 including cartridges
(about a year and a half ago).  Have the prices gone up that much?



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 20 16:13:36 1996
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To: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>, sfraves@hyperreal.com
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At 10:56 AM 6/20/96 -0700, KaySEE wrote:
>Clarification:  I will be at the Fillmore show on the 24th not the big 
>weekend one.

Me too.


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As far as I know yes.  I have been told that the Technices Company raised
the prices for everyone.  It sucks, cuz I sure they are only doing it cuz
they can.

Rick

At 04:13 PM 6/20/96 -0700, you wrote:
>I got mine at Whole Earth Access for $359 including cartridges
>(about a year and a half ago).  Have the prices gone up that much?
>
>
>
>



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>hello all-
>
>yes, i am totally oblivious, but what is the organic show coming up?  i
>must have been on crack, but i totally missed the first part of the
>organic strain.  can anyone set me straight?

Wait a minute.  I thought _I_ was the one on crack.

Confused (but maybe that's just the rabbits talking to me),

Jake


Jake Reichert			|  I used to be indecisive/
reicja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu	|  But now I'm not so sure...		
http:/web.usfca.edu/~reicja00	|                    -The The
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                     "LONELY IS AS LONELY DOES"
B.C. Gilbert/G. Lewis ------------------------    The Happy Family
A=====================================V  Bulgarian Voices | Pixies 
|          |              |   ____    |  Bauhaus |  Frazier Chorus
|     /|   |      /\      |  |    \   |  Michael Brook |  Spirea X
|    / |   |     /  \     |  |     \  |  The Breeders |  Colourbox
|   /  |   |    /    \    |  |      | |  Dead Can Dance |  Dif Juz
|  /___|   |   /______\   |  |      | |  Throwing Muses |  The The
|      |   |  /        \  |  |     /  |  Clan of Xymox | Rema-Rema
|      |   | /          \ |  |___ /   |  Cocteau Twins | Liquorice  
A=====================================M  Lisa Germano  | M|A|R|R|S
X Mal Deutschland | Dance Chapter | Insides |   The Birthday Party
A.R. Kane | Rowland S. Howard & Lydia Lunch  | C.V.O  |  Air Miami
Ultra Vivid Scene | Unrest | Pieter Nooten/Michael Brook | Swallow
That Dog. | Psychotic Tanks  |  Lisa Gerrard  | Last Dance |  Lush
Modern English |  Budd/Fraser/Guthrie/Raymonde |  This Mortal Coil   
The Wolfgang Press |  Richenel |  His Name Is Alive  | Pale Saints
The Glee Club    ---------------------------------    Colin Newman
                       "LONELY IS AN EYESORE"      


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and you realize... everything around you is pure energy...
have fun at organic!


On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Aleph One wrote:

> Think I'll put on that Electric Skychurch CD and take a hot shower. I refuse
> to work anymore today. Someone come over and give me a message. Pleaseeeee..

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On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, John Bagby wrote:

> and you realize... everything around you is pure energy...

8)

> have fun at organic!

I'll beam good vibes north for all of you.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
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Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61  8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 

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Hey all.  We (Mark & Tracy) will be spinning at Packa Bowl tonite! 
  Tracy at 12:30 in the lanes AND i'LL BE TRADING OFF WITH eVERETT IN 
THE BAR,lfjghb oselsajbn    Mars and a mystery guest will be opening up 
. 
CHECK IT OUT ...ONLY 9 PACKA-BOWL'S LEFT UNTILL AMOOEEBA OPENS UP IN 
THAT SPOT 

     adios   Mark AMEBA  
-- 
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http://www.ameba.com        |      \
415.750.9368                |       \
=====================================
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OK I think that this crack epidemic has got to me too! I must be on
crack...I just called the organic line and the list of dj's is nothing
like what i expected...what happened to the Orb? Am i thinking of
something different or is there some sort of conspiracy ? :)Please help me
clear this up before we leave for LA!!

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *



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Light kicks off the weekend and the summer with an outdoor tomorrow...from
there head off to the Chemical Bros show, or any of the other parties, they
all look pretty hot.  On Monday, Underworld and Orbital hit town after
playing in SoCal over the weekend.

Word has it that the Top has also had to turn it down for a while - check 
back later for events to start up again.


                                THE SFR CALENDAR
                                       
    http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi
    
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area

   Friday, June 21st - Rain Dance presents _summer solstice tribal dance_
   Jeno, Markie, Mark Farina, Tracy, Rob.
   presale tickets at Ameba
   415.965.5045 510.889.2922 408.425.3316
   
   Friday, June 21st - Blasthaus & Terminator presents Chemical Brothers
   live
   $15. the Trocadero, 520 4th St, SF.
   
   Friday, June 21st - Gateway Systems presents _Light_
   Dance, Meditation, Drums, Games, Creativity, Food and Love
   Galen, Monty, Jon Williams, John Carel, Andre Lucero, Consciousness
   Lab Ambient Research.
   One Year Anniversary
   2pm-9pm, All ages. Oakland. 415.536.9453
   
   Friday, June 21st - Amazon
   An outdoor jungle adventure on the Summer Solstice
   U.F.O., Abstract, Noel, Thad, Jesse, Tosan.
   $4. 415.332.5800x247
   
   Friday, June 21st - _A Light in the Addict_
   Warren, Seth, Minor Minor, Deaks, Brad (Consciousness Lab).
   10:30pm-6am, $5. 443 Stevenson Alley between 5th/6th below Market, SF.
   
   Friday, June 21st - _Stompy Stomp_
   Mark Farina, Preston, guests.
   21+. 177 Townsend?, SF.
   
   Friday, June 21st - _Trance Mission_
   Trance Mission, Charming Hostess, Earth Circus, Fat Chance Belly
   Dance, Pollywog, Les Schill.
   record release party for Head Light
   advance tix at Aquarius, Round World, Shambala Books
   21+, $12. Transmission Theater, 11th & Folsom, SF.
   
   Saturday, June 22nd - Full Circle Productions presents _Sankofa_
   Mark Gage (Vapour Space), Rabbit in the Moon, DJ Monk, Vicious Vic,
   Wade Hampton, Terry Mullan, Justin, Ernie Munson, DJ Dan, Simon,
   Garth, Jeno.
   415.675.9956 510.986.9089
   
   Saturday, June 22nd - Funky Baby Productions presents _Soulstice_
   Paul Guido, Utopia, Paul Q, Stonie, Sati.
   9pm-dawn, $5. 210 W. 6th St, Chico.
   
   Sunday, June 23rd - Silent Records & 1002 Nights presents Loop Guru
   Loop Guru, Cheb i Sabbah, 23 degrees.
   Visuals by 1008 Gopis.
   8pm-, 21+, $15. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison St, SF. 415.957.1320
   
   Monday, June 24th - Space Children presents _Underworld, Orbital live_
   DJ Darren, Jonah Sharp.
   afterparty with Dutch, Surge, Graeme, Cesar & Radley
   the Fillmore, , SF. 415.273.1622 408.327.9277 916.554.7177
   
   Tuesday, June 25th - _Crash Worship_
   live tribal/industrial band
   $10. Trocadero, 520 4th St @ Bryant, SF. 415.995.4600
   
   Wednesday, June 26th - Blasthaus presents Up n'Atom
   Laron, Felix the Dogge, guests.
   111 Minna St, SF. 415.789.8044
   
   Thursday, June 27th - _Move _
   Markie, Josh, Tracy, Spun, Solar, Polywog.
   Visuals by Donovan.
   415.437.5774
   
   Friday, June 28th - One Track Mind presents _Turn Around_
   Detroit, Chicago, Trax all night
   Sho, Jon Santos, Warren Parker, Paul Manley.
   10pm- $5. 415.208.3418
   
   Friday, June 28th - _Out-A-Sight_
   Spun, John Howard, Markie Mark, Jeno, Goura Candra.
   $10. 415.437.4462
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Tribal Funk_
   Tony, Josh, Galen, guests.
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Revival_
   Corey, Serenity, Skemer, Simulacra, Jazz-E, Sifu, Honey B, Dave Rego,
   Shawn Steven, Synthesis, Allan, Fuman.
   $7 before midnight.
   9pm-morning, $10. 510.287.5797
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Harmony_
   free day party
   Ethan, Galen, Shilo Maggi, Greg, More.
   noonish-late night, . 408.486.9591 408.450.3044
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _Chateau de Boom_
   fundraiser for San Mateo AIDS Services
   noon-8pm, $3. Hillsboro "classic spelling". 415.572.3250
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _rhumboogie_
   Rob Doten, Gavan, Gina.
   9pm-2am, 21+. coco lounge, 139 8th St @ Minna, SF.
   
   Friday, July 12nd - Drip Drop Productions presents _Nafarius_
   415.436.0979 408.421.7189
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - 6 in da Mornin Productions presents _Ground Zero_
   Jim Hopkins, Simon, Ghost, Atommix, Josh, Liquid, Frank Nitty, Kimo,
   Essence, Kwashi, Spinner.
   Visuals by C.A.D., Trips R Us.
   120,000 sq ft indoor/outdoor action
   800.590.7032 415.709.7989
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - _Pro-Soy_
   Drenalin, Deaks, Tim McKnew, Cloud, special guest.
   SF. 408.457.7726
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - blasthaus presents the acid funk ball
   Hardkiss, broun fellinis, Mark Farina, guests.
   415.789.8044
   
   Saturday, July 20th - _Cloud Factory 2-year anniversary_
   408.457.7726
   
   Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996
   includes Wicked Sound System.
   save $10 by registering by June 1st.
   runs entire weekend, through September 2nd.
   All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471
   
   
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W E E K L I E S

   House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may
   have ended - let me know when that happens...
   
  Thursday
  
   Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black,
   guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984
   
   Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. Agenda Bass-ment, 399 S 1st @
   San Salvador, SJ. 408.235.1556
   
   _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527
   Valencia, SF.
   
   Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew
   Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3.
   Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF.
   
   Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the
   balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @
   Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019
   
   .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th
   21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF.
   
   _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis,
   guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508
   
   _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month
   9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento.
   916.565.9588
   
   _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin,
   John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th
   St, SF. 415.252.7740
   
   _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of
   the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz.
   
   _Thirzdaze_ - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald
   Glaude, Essence, guests. 415.605.1915
   
   _Seven Up_ - house w/DJs Guests weekly. 10pm-, 21+. Germania Lounge,
   261 N.2nd St @ Julian, San Jose.
   [6.20 - Tone DaFunk (Chicago), Teddy Cruz]
   
  Friday
  
   _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guets.
   9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF.
   415.543.1300
   
   _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free
   before 10:30
   9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose.
   
   _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez,
   Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight.
   11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730
   
   _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come
   too).
   10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF.
   
   _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721
   Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285
   
   the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas,
   caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson
   @ 10th, SF.
   
   _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+,
   $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568
   [6.21 - CJ Mackintosh]
   [6.28 - Derrick May]
   
   _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067
   
   _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma,
   weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento.
   415.273.1345 916.558.0850
   
   _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight,
   SF.
   
  Saturday
  
   _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady,
   Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning
   6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF.
   
   _Sound Factory _- big club sounds
   9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300
   
   _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.
   Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457
   
   55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55
   Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858
   
   _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason,
   Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights.
   10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903
   
   Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Ellen Ferrato, Dave
   Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF.
   415.703.7172
   
   _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests.
   2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730
   
   phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424
   Haight, SF. 415.995.4699
   
   _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom
   Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719
   
  Sunday
  
   _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly
   guests. free b4 10:30p
   For Technotica, call 415.764.2922
   10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389
   
   _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J,
   Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore,
   SF. 415.771.2583
   
   _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B,
   guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256
   
   Quench - House w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. 21+. The Usual,
   400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330
   [6.23 - Derrick Carter & Mark Farina on 20 Turntables! :)]
   
   subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone.
   10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865
   
   Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure,
   Jesse. $5 for under 21;.
   6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183
   
   Mantra - A hypnotic trance-inducing affirmation. w/DJs Dutch, Surge,
   Theta Blip, Abstract, Noel, UFO, Thad, guests. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. 683
   Clementina Alley, SF. 415.331.1500x888
   
  Monday
  
    Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius
   Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811
   
   _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight
   St., SF.
   
   _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth,
   m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @
   8th, SF. 415.431.3332
   
   _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu,
   stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151
   Folsom St, SF.
   
   _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs
   Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358
   
   _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Julio, Kimo. 10pm-2am,
   18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. 415.263.5797
   
  Tuesday
  
    Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani,
   guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF.
   
   Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am,
   21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515
   
   _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley,
   Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the
   Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443
   
   _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump,
   rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF.
   
   _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's
   Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707
   
   _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St,
   SF.
   
   _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free.
   1624 California @ Van Ness, SF.
   
   _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B,
   Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF.
   
   _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko,
   Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all
   9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland.
   
   _The Deep_ - house, techno. 9pm-2am, . Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave,
   Santa Cruz?. 408.425.3316
   
  Wednesday
  
   _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first
   Wednesday of the month.
   10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815
   
   _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the
   ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105
   
   _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests
   in the dub reggae room
   10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713
   
   _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar,
   Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th,
   SF.
   
   _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar,
   1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332
   
   _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear,
   Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St,
   SF.
   
   _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento.
   916.922.8041x4240
   
   _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe
   18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663
   
   _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins
   5.22.
   10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose.
   
   _Jackin' the Box_ - weeklytechnohousejammyinnadetroitchicagostylee
   w/DJs jon santos, samuel, guests. 10pm-2am, 18+, $5. 375 1st St @
   Harrison, SF.
   
   Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Tracy, Dave, Virg,
   guests. admission includes bowling and pool.
   10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San
   Rafael. 415.456.6440
   
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Info Lines

     * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated
       daily.
     * Clubline - 415.979.8686
     * Fatline - 415.207.3668
     * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019
     * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.473.3535
     * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788
     * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125
       
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Radio/TV Shows

     * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle
       & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub,
       Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara)
     * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of
       the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno,
       electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis)
     * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation"
       experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi
       nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz)
     * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and
       atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley)
     * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF
       90.3 (SF)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix
       with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench -
       10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and
       noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills
     * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from
       SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF)
     * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1
       KMEL.
     * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best
       in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis)
     * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from
       SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 -
       Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415)
       281-3377. flux@flux.net
     * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and
       Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford)
       
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   For a _search_ interface to the calendar, see the Late Train club
   section.
     _________________________________________________________________
   
Administrative Notes

   If anyone has info on any other events, send it to me! I can't
   possibly hope to get all the info every week.
   
   This info gets sent via email every Thursday. To subscribe or
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    Derek Chung - dhchung@hyperreal.com

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I must of got you address wrong,
my mail was returned, where you @?

-StEvEo

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Man I'm gettign urked, I'm still having all my email being sent to and
returned from this stephanie powell chracter at some Castijillo school
somewhere.  And now compuserve has taken an interest in all my mail, what the
hell?!?   How in the hell does this sort of thing happen?  Any tech gurus
care to take a stab at this one?
-StEvEo


P.S. HI STEPHANIE, HOPE YOUR ENJOYING MY MAIL!!!   ; {

P.S.S. UP YOURS COMPUSERVE! ; [


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just thought i'd letcha know - none of MY packages are ending up in 
Stephanie's box :)

k

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Subject: Re: right front speaker family
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> 
> OK, so is it the speaker to the right of the dj as he/she is facing us, or
> is it the speaker to the right of the dj as we're facing him/her?
> 
> Fascinated,
> 
> - E
> 
> 
> 
**********
facing the dj, it's the right speaker...

hehehe :) and if there is no speaker on the dj's right, 
and say, a huge wall of speakers, 
then it's the far right side of the wall :)

take care, and i will talk to you later!

byebye,
...jan...
delaja00@dons.ac.usfca.edu

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Thurs 6/20 dlb@typhoon-ether.Berkeley.EDU ('Dave Bayer') wrote regarding
Elevation 96:
>>Right, I was just down the road from you guys at Light... Why didn't that
weekend get combined?

Actually, we did discuss it but decided against it for that time, on good
terms.  Keep posted though, you never know... 

-StEvEo

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Now let's past-bomb him!

FLYF55A@prodigy.com

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I had just hopped in my 1968 Datsun Roadster Convertible, with the most
beautiful woman on earth next to me, AKA Ahnon.  I reached for the tuner knob
on my stereo to find:
A nice smooth flowing daydreamy ambient pulse at 88.1 FM, lovely but not
quite right, I moved up to 92.5fm to find groovey ambient trip hop, a little
further at 97.3 I found Beautifully vocal house.  Just when I hit the coast
and the roads started to wind, Ahnon turned to to 100.5 where we found a nice
driving deep house sound, but that wasn't enough! I need 103.1, they were
playing the sweetest goa I ever heard! !/2 hour of that and I was ready for
...  you get the idea.
And that was just FM
Dreamin On,
-StEvEo

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I called the Troc a short while ago and they said there are not many
remaining tickets for the show.

If you wish to avoid BASS, you can purchase tickets at Reckless Records on
upper Haight or at Record Finder. Tickets are also available at the Troc
when the doors open at 8:00.

Chemical Brothers go on at 9.

See you there!

Rob



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What?!
Joshua Horvitz wrote  about some solcitice party in the sierras,
where!!!!!????  TOngiht?!

-StEvEo


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:)

just won tickets from kalx. cool as shit. all i had to do is tell em 
three artists on fax. was trying to call for the loop guru tics as well, 
but didn't get in.. all they wanted to know was what  was otaku

so anyway, are there netmeets at sf parties (i'm visiting from mw..)
sounds like a good chance to meet some sfravers, anyone wanna organize an 
sfrave dinner or something? or maybe meet at the show someplace?

this is so cool. see you all at Light tomorrow

-- 
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 00:43:37 1996
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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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Talll pointy things...Pagan 90's druids all dancing around the fire...I
like it...

Maybe after Burning Man, I'll able to devote the rest of the needed
resources to just this end.

I still need some custom Jason built sub enclosures and the mids for the
high end top packs.
Small, but this isn't going to be any P.A. based system...Although we may
fill it out with one.

{They say that you're a dreamer, but your not the only one...}
                                        
     
                                                                           
                     Jason


 

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Oh so true.

Alot of people aren't willing to drive up or down the coast. Very few are
those; who are willing
to drive to Sacto or even the Sierras (well worth it) to go to a party, no
matter how good it is
or unlikely it would be to be busted.

You just don't have alot of close, not-likely-to-be-busted-or-harrassed
spaces out there where
the population is so dense and oft patroled.

If you really want that fuzzy vibe party...you gotta do the camping
thing...Can anyone say TF.
I knew you could...


                      Happiness is....
                                               Hangin' with YOUR family fer
a coupla dayz.
                                                                           
                                       Jason




<< I think it's just the fact that nobody here wants to try because someone
 throws a party in
 << the city the same night and nobody wants to drive all  the way out here
:)

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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:42:39 -0400
From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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Good day,

Hadn't been to the Lounge in a month or so.

It had all of the main components to be a really cool midweek after hours
club. Nice sound 
(even cloth soud baffles on the ceiling, to prevent that harsh bounceback
effect) ,comfy lounge
 booths and chairs, $2 pints of Guiness, and happy raver type people.

But the music had lacked any real inspiration on the nights that I had been
there (can't speak
for other nights). Wow what a difference! Conrad and Biojeff threw down
last night.

First time I've heard progressive house and trance intermixed for hours
here in Sacto. Most
of Sacto just doesn't get this stuff. Hard house and lots O beats are the
main diet ravers
 sustain themselves on.

I'M A TRANCEHEAD!

Sacramento's conservative (Gotta have 8 hours sleep) mentality usually
empties most of a room
long before the last call at clubs, but wed. had about 20 or so out dacing
past 2 am. Many
 others were still hanging out in booths talking to their friends.
   
For a club, especially in Sacto, this has a really nice vibe to it. I think
I'll try and make it out
 there more often.

So if your on the list, and want see the face behind the machine; mail me
about a wed. and I'll
make it a point to be there.  

Same Bat Time...
          Same Bat channel...
                                          Jason

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Hey, if any of you sent me a private email on (knucklehead@email.org) after
2pm yesterday can you forward it to the email account. I came in this
morning to find my other account had NO mail in it. That's wrong. It should
have at least 50 in it.  Thanks

Tim (knucklehead)



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Rumor has it, that I might be throwing another one in mid to late July.....

Stay Tuned for more info..


Tim (knucklehead)



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Subject: 52 Things to do on an elevator
     1. Make race car noises when anyone gets on or off.

     2. Blow your nose and offer to show the contents of your kleenex to
        other passengers.

     3. Grimace painfully while smacking your forehead and muttering:
        "Shut up, dammit, all of you just shut UP!"

     4. Whistle the first seven notes of "It's a Small World"
        incessantly.

     5. Sell Girl Scout cookies.

     6. On a long ride, sway side to side at the natural frequency of the
        elevator.

     7. Shave.

     8. Crack open your briefcase or purse, and while peering inside ask:
        "Got enough air in there?"

     9. Offer name tags to everyone getting on the elevator. Wear yours
        upside-down.

     10. Stand silent and motionless in the corner, facing the wall,
         without getting off.

     11. When arriving at your floor, grunt and strain to yank the doors
         open, then act embarrassed when they open by themselves.

     12. Lean over to another passenger and whisper: "Noogie patrol
         coming!"

     13. Greet everyone getting on the elevator with a warm handshake and
         ask them to call you Admiral.

     14. One word: Flatulence!

     15. On the highest floor, hold the door open and demand that it stay
         open until you hear the penny you dropped down the shaft go
"plink"
         at the bottom.

     16. Do Tai Chi exercises.

     17. Stare, grinning, at another passenger for a while, and then
         announce: "I've got new socks on!"

     18. When at least 8 people have boarded, moan from the back: "Oh,
         not now, damn motion sickness!"

     19. Give religious tracts to each passenger.

     20. Meow occassionally.

     21. Bet the other passengers you can fit a quarter in your nose.

     22. Frown and mutter "gotta go, gotta go" then sigh and say "oops!"


     23. Show other passengers a wound and ask if it looks infected.

     24. Sing "Mary had a little lamb" while continually pushing buttons.

     25. Holler "Chutes away!" whenever the elevator descends.

     26. Walk on with a cooler that says "human head" on the side.

     27. Stare at another passenger for a while, then announce "You're
         one of THEM!" and move to the far corner of the elevator.

     28. Burp, and then say "mmmm...tasty!"

     29. Leave a box between the doors.

     30. Ask each passenger getting on if you can push the button for
         them.

     31. Wear a puppet on your hand and talk to other passengers "through"
it.

     32. Start a sing-along.

     33. When the elevator is silent, look around and ask "is that your
         beeper?"

     34. Play the harmonica.

     35. Shadow box.

     36. Say "Ding!" at each floor.

     37. Lean against the button panel.

     38. Say "I wonder what all these do" and push the red buttons.

     39. Listen to the elevator walls with a stethoscope.

     40. Draw a little square on the floor with chalk and announce to the
         other passengers that this is your "personal space."

     41. Bring a chair along.

     42. Take a bite of a sandwich and ask another passenger: "Wanna see
         wha in muh mouf?"

     43. Blow spit bubbles.

     44. Pull your gum out of your mouth in long strings.

     45. Announce in a demonic voice: "I must find a more suitable host
         body."

     46. Carry a blanket and clutch it protectively.


     47. Make explosion noises when anyone presses a button.

     48. Wear "X-Ray Specs" and leer suggestively at other passengers.

     49. Stare at your thumb and say "I think it's getting larger."

     50. If anyone brushes against you, recoil and holler "Bad touch!"

     51. Jump up and down as the elavator is moving and say "I wonder how
long it will hold"

    52. Make farting noises with your mouth and say " Damn, I knew I
shouldn't have ate those beans this morning."


I hope you enjoyed it.

Tim (knucklehead)





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  Well according to a flyer it's om the 20th and 21st. The # is 415.853.6842.
If you go, enjoy it for me!!!
                                       Reagan



On Fri, 21 Jun 1996 SteveOSac@aol.com wrote:

> What?!
> Joshua Horvitz wrote  about some solcitice party in the sierras,
> where!!!!!????  TOngiht?!
> 
> -StEvEo
> 
> 

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>facing the dj, it's the right speaker...
>
>hehehe :) and if there is no speaker on the dj's right, 
>and say, a huge wall of speakers, 
>then it's the far right side of the wall :)
>
>take care, and i will talk to you later!

What if the DJ is in the middle of the floor (i.e. That Gathering party a 
few months back)?

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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Oh...it was a dream ..ok
All I ever seem to get is K-bloody-fog or live 1-oh-british-indie band-5. 
Q. Why are there no pirate dance stations. Anyone interested in getting
something
going or have any broadcast, technical experience ?
What are the laws like in the US regarding pirate broadcasts, All i know is
what i saw 
in that movie "Pump up the volume".
Yeah man, lets get together and put a big sfraves transmitter on the top of
Twin peaks !
Is this feasable ?

Yours (trying to escape generic FM land)

KironO



At 01:32 AM 6/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I had just hopped in my 1968 Datsun Roadster Convertible, with the most
>beautiful woman on earth next to me, AKA Ahnon.  I reached for the tuner knob
>on my stereo to find:
>A nice smooth flowing daydreamy ambient pulse at 88.1 FM, lovely but not
>quite right, I moved up to 92.5fm to find groovey ambient trip hop, a little
>further at 97.3 I found Beautifully vocal house.  Just when I hit the coast
>and the roads started to wind, Ahnon turned to to 100.5 where we found a nice
>driving deep house sound, but that wasn't enough! I need 103.1, they were
>playing the sweetest goa I ever heard! !/2 hour of that and I was ready for
>...  you get the idea.
>And that was just FM
>Dreamin On,
>-StEvEo
>
>


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 09:08:12 1996
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Ok, this Right front Speaker family thing sounds juast a tad *cheesy* cos i
don't beleive
in DJ veneration, but I will be checking that area at some stage tonigt @
the Chemical Bros.
(provided such a space does exist) to see if I can meet some Sfraves people.
I'll be wearing a red carnation in the lapel of my tuxedo...oops
sorry....no, I'll wear
a pair of round, brown lensed sunglasses (to supplement my cheese levels)
while in that general locale. I have a goatee also.......

see you guys there !!

Peace,

KironO


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As of this time,   I have 2 seats available for anyone wanting a ride to the
Sierra Solstice event.    My plans are to stay up there until late Sunday
and leave early in the morning on Monday to return.    If anyone wants or
has to leave earlier,   I might ask them to do the driving.   Share gas
expenses is a must...

Quickest way to reach me is voice mail  (415) 460-9190

Crunchman



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 09:53:55 1996
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Ok, sorry for dissin K-fog, they're not the worst. And Live 105 is ok in
small doses. I mean I like a lot of the music they play, but why cant they
see that 
dance music is as relevant as Nirvana, Beck, the Beastie boys, etc., ?
As for 90.5, should i be able to, pick this up in the berkeley
area...sitting at my pc.....
.....using a walkman ? Share your radio reception experiences with me. Please !

Also...continuing the radio thread...does anyone know some shows worth
checking out
in San Francisco ? Are there any pirates such as radio free Berkeley that
play Techno/house ?

Peace & love,

Ciaran




From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 10:13:39 1996
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Ok, this Right front Speaker family thing sounds juast a tad *cheesy* cos i
don't beleive
in DJ veneration, but I will be checking that area at some stage tonigt @
the Chemical Bros.
(provided such a space does exist) to see if I can meet some Sfraves people.
I'll be wearing a red carnation in the lapel of my tuxedo...oops
sorry....no, I'll wear
a pair of round, brown lensed sunglasses (to supplement my cheese levels)
while in that general locale. I have a goatee also.......

see you guys there !!

Peace,

KironO


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Happy Summer Solstice to all!  Let's make the most of the summer that's
finally here, both within our beautiful scene and in other aspects of our
personal lives.  It's gonna seem like it'll last forever, but we all know
that it will be over too soon.  Appreciate it while it lasts, and
appreciate each other always.

Much love and hunger for phat summer parties,

- E



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>Rumor has it, that I might be throwing another one in mid to late July.....
>Stay Tuned for more info..

YESYESYESYESYES!!!!!   Well, I know I didn't participate very much last time 
in getting things set up, so this time, if you need a hand with anything, 
let me know, ok?

Folx, the BBQ Tim held last time was *great*!  This would be a *highly* 
recommended event!

S


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At 10:35 AM -0700 6/21/96, Eric P. Peterson wrote:
>Happy Summer Solstice to all!  Let's make the most of the summer that's
>finally here, both within our beautiful scene and in other aspects of our
>personal lives.  It's gonna seem like it'll last forever, but we all know
>that it will be over too soon.  Appreciate it while it lasts, and


It's funny, but as a Bay area resident and eager Burning Man participant, I
almost look forward to the end of summer, for in the former I anticipate
the beautiful weather (not that it sucks now ;^), and in the later the
beautiful experience....

I'm sure we'll be occupied until then though....

Peace!

Tone



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jan and mark wrote:

> 
> >facing the dj, it's the right speaker...
> >
> >hehehe :) and if there is no speaker on the dj's right, 
> >and say, a huge wall of speakers, 
> >then it's the far right side of the wall :)
> >
> >take care, and i will talk to you later!
> 
> What if the DJ is in the middle of the floor (i.e. That Gathering party a 
> few months back)?
> 
> -M
> 
>                             ***ASTRONOUT***
>                           sounds textures beats

in this case...as it were at the gathering...we usually decide wehter to
use the rite side of the turntables/dj area, or to find a pseudo rfs. by
this i mean that when you walk into the room and face the dj, thre should
be (or were at the gathering) a set of speakers at the rite side in the
far back. so that became our "rfs" for the nite. like i sad..in cases like
these we kinda play it by ear. ;)  

*bye*

sarvi
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
                          RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY

          #######\ *   \|/     *   _ woo! * \|/   * /#######
          # (o) # |    -O- *     _( )__     -O- *  | # (o) #
          # (o) # |  * /|\   *  /.    / *   /|\    | # (o) #
          ####### |    *    ___m/|__m/___     *   *| #######
          #' _ '# | OOOOOO -OOOOOOO--OOOOo-OOOOOOO | #' _ '#
          # / \ # |  OO  OO| OO   O OOO   | OO   O | # / \ #  thub
          # \_/ # |  OOOOO | OOOO    OOOO | OOOO   | # \_/ #  thub
          #.   .# |--OO-OO-|_OO________OOO|-OO-----| #.   .#  thub
          #######/  OOO  OO OOOO    OOOOO  OOOO     \#######

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In your message dated Thursday 20, June 1996 you wrote :
> As far as I know yes.  I have been told that the Technices Company raised
> the prices for everyone.  It sucks, cuz I sure they are only doing it cuz
> they can.
> 
You guys over there are lucky-

They sell in the UK for around $700 dollars at the last check- plus stantons are 
extra!!

Daryll
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In your message dated Thursday 20, June 1996 you wrote :
> As far as I know yes.  I have been told that the Technices Company raised
> the prices for everyone.  It sucks, cuz I sure they are only doing it cuz
> they can.
> 
You guys over there are lucky-

They sell in the UK for around $700 dollars at the last check- plus stantons are 
extra!!

Daryll
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 12:24:32 1996
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I had the same thing happen to me the other day when I posted to sfraves (at
least I think it was from her...it was a hazy day).  It said the mailbox was
full or something like that.  That was the only time it happened, so this is a
test to see if it happens to me again (maybe she's on the list and all mail to
her is getting bounced back - did someone already suggest this?  Only problem
with that logic is that it should happen to everybody...)

Are _all_ your mails getting returned, or just the ones to or cc'd to the list?

Here goes,
-mike

> 
> Man I'm gettign urked, I'm still having all my email being sent to and
> returned from this stephanie powell chracter at some Castijillo school
> somewhere.  And now compuserve has taken an interest in all my mail, what the
> hell?!?   How in the hell does this sort of thing happen?  Any tech gurus
> care to take a stab at this one?
> -StEvEo
> 
> 
> P.S. HI STEPHANIE, HOPE YOUR ENJOYING MY MAIL!!!   ; {
> 
> P.S.S. UP YOURS COMPUSERVE! ; [
> 
> 


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>What are the laws like in the US regarding pirate broadcasts, All i know is
>what i saw 

mondo2000 had a good article about pirate radio stations. i think there is a
free radio american group or somesuch..    

i seem to remember hearing about the feds starting to come down hard on
pirate stations..  will probably worsen if the public airwaves get auctioned
off by the feds too.


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Heya, is the 700 dollars US dollars?!?

//Chris

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>To: 	Nourse@spinback.demon.co.uk; Andrew@spinback.demon.co.uk;
>rdriffle@ucdavis.edu
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>Subject: 	Re: Re: 1200 prices
>
>In your message dated Thursday 20, June 1996 you wrote :
>> As far as I know yes.  I have been told that the Technices Company raised
>> the prices for everyone.  It sucks, cuz I sure they are only doing it cuz
>> they can.
>> 
>You guys over there are lucky-
>
>They sell in the UK for around $700 dollars at the last check- plus
>stantons are 
>extra!!
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From: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir)
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Subject: Re: Anyone else having e-postal probs?
To: SteveOSac@aol.com
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Okay,
	Sure enough I got the mail bounced back:

>Return-Path: <Post_Office@castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us>
>Reply-To: Post_Office@student.castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us
>To: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM
>Subject: NDN: Re: Anyone else having e-postal probs?
>Date: 21 Jun 1996 12:45:03 GMT
>Organization: Castilleja School, Palo Alto, CA
>
>Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
>
>Stephanie Powell (Mailbox or Conference is full.)
>
>***********************************************************
>Castilleja School, 1310 Bryant Street, Palo Alto, CA  94301
>***********************************************************


I think she's on the list and her mailbox is full.  The mail's not making
it to her box. Often schools' limits
to mailbox sizes are _much_ smaller than commercial providers, especially a K-12
school, and if she's getting all the sfraves mails, and maybe isn't checking
them...Hey school may be out and maybe their sys-admin sucks.
	Anyway, the only problem with this is that most/all people subscribed
should be getting these mails bounced back.  So I'm probably wrong :)  Maybe
the gremlins are only after you and me...
	In any case, I would say our list-keeper might want to remove her from
the list, maybe after contacting her.  She hasn't posted to say "Hey
it's me!!"... 

Ahhh,
-mike


> 
> I had the same thing happen to me the other day when I posted to sfraves (at
> least I think it was from her...it was a hazy day).  It said the mailbox was
> full or something like that.  That was the only time it happened, so this is a
> test to see if it happens to me again (maybe she's on the list and all mail to
> her is getting bounced back - did someone already suggest this?  Only problem
> with that logic is that it should happen to everybody...)
> 
> Are _all_ your mails getting returned, or just the ones to or cc'd to the list?
> 
> Here goes,
> -mike
> 
> > 
> > Man I'm gettign urked, I'm still having all my email being sent to and
> > returned from this stephanie powell chracter at some Castijillo school
> > somewhere.  And now compuserve has taken an interest in all my mail, what the
> > hell?!?   How in the hell does this sort of thing happen?  Any tech gurus
> > care to take a stab at this one?
> > -StEvEo
> > 
> > 
> > P.S. HI STEPHANIE, HOPE YOUR ENJOYING MY MAIL!!!   ; {
> > 
> > P.S.S. UP YOURS COMPUSERVE! ; [
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


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Subject: music on my page.
To: sfraves@hyperreal.com
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Hello!

I put up some synth music I did on my web page.  Check it out at:

http://www.cyborganic.com/People/tsheets

-troy

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From: Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net>
To: Mike Schneir <mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM>
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 Yeap, I've been getting it now for about 3 days.
                           Reagan


  

On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Mike Schneir wrote:

> Okay,
> 	Sure enough I got the mail bounced back:
> 
> >Return-Path: <Post_Office@castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us>
> >Reply-To: Post_Office@student.castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us
> >To: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM
> >Subject: NDN: Re: Anyone else having e-postal probs?
> >Date: 21 Jun 1996 12:45:03 GMT
> >Organization: Castilleja School, Palo Alto, CA
> >
> >Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
> >
> >Stephanie Powell (Mailbox or Conference is full.)
> >
> >***********************************************************
> >Castilleja School, 1310 Bryant Street, Palo Alto, CA  94301
> >***********************************************************
> 
> 
> I think she's on the list and her mailbox is full.  The mail's not making
> it to her box. Often schools' limits
> to mailbox sizes are _much_ smaller than commercial providers, especially a K-12
> school, and if she's getting all the sfraves mails, and maybe isn't checking
> them...Hey school may be out and maybe their sys-admin sucks.
> 	Anyway, the only problem with this is that most/all people subscribed
> should be getting these mails bounced back.  So I'm probably wrong :)  Maybe
> the gremlins are only after you and me...
> 	In any case, I would say our list-keeper might want to remove her from
> the list, maybe after contacting her.  She hasn't posted to say "Hey
> it's me!!"... 
> 
> Ahhh,
> -mike
> 
> 
> > 
> > I had the same thing happen to me the other day when I posted to sfraves (at
> > least I think it was from her...it was a hazy day).  It said the mailbox was
> > full or something like that.  That was the only time it happened, so this is a
> > test to see if it happens to me again (maybe she's on the list and all mail to
> > her is getting bounced back - did someone already suggest this?  Only problem
> > with that logic is that it should happen to everybody...)
> > 
> > Are _all_ your mails getting returned, or just the ones to or cc'd to the list?
> > 
> > Here goes,
> > -mike
> > 
> > > 
> > > Man I'm gettign urked, I'm still having all my email being sent to and
> > > returned from this stephanie powell chracter at some Castijillo school
> > > somewhere.  And now compuserve has taken an interest in all my mail, what the
> > > hell?!?   How in the hell does this sort of thing happen?  Any tech gurus
> > > care to take a stab at this one?
> > > -StEvEo
> > > 
> > > 
> > > P.S. HI STEPHANIE, HOPE YOUR ENJOYING MY MAIL!!!   ; {
> > > 
> > > P.S.S. UP YOURS COMPUSERVE! ; [
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 14:08:53 1996
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From: "Mark D. Camp" <camp@gala.apple.com>
To: "Reagan Reid" <raygun@value.net>, "Mike Schneir" <mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM>
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Same thing is happening to me when I send messages to the list.

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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I'm gettin' it to.

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 14:13:24 1996
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Subject: Who's going to Organic in LA??
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:14:09 -0000
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Hey, This is kinda late, but I was just wondering who on the list is 
going to Organic this weekend in LA.  Maybe we could try to do an SFraves 
Meeting place??

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 14:23:59 1996
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From: Amy R Starkey <sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu>
Subject: ****ALIENS!!**** (nrr)
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I know lots of ravers who are enthralled with aliens.  I am one of them 
and if you are like me, you can hardly wait for Independance Day to come 
out.  Well, I found their official website, and there is all sorts of 
interesing things on there like a screen saver that you can download.  
Anyways, I thought I'd share that with you all.  www.id4.com

love,
Amy

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|  '\`o O'    |
|   =(_^_)=   |         Amy Starkey
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:29:42 +0100
To: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM (Mike Schneir)
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My electronic mail seems to be have its transmittal somewhat compromised also.

At 01:31 PM 6/21/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Okay,
>	Sure enough I got the mail bounced back:
>
>>Return-Path: <Post_Office@castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us>
>>Reply-To: Post_Office@student.castilleja.pvt.k12.ca.us
>>To: mikes@nit.AirTouch.COM
>>Subject: NDN: Re: Anyone else having e-postal probs?
>>Date: 21 Jun 1996 12:45:03 GMT
>>Organization: Castilleja School, Palo Alto, CA
>>
>>Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
>>
>>Stephanie Powell (Mailbox or Conference is full.)
>>
>>***********************************************************
>>Castilleja School, 1310 Bryant Street, Palo Alto, CA  94301
>>***********************************************************
>
>
>I think she's on the list and her mailbox is full.  The mail's not making
>it to her box. Often schools' limits
>to mailbox sizes are _much_ smaller than commercial providers, especially a
K-12
>school, and if she's getting all the sfraves mails, and maybe isn't checking
>them...Hey school may be out and maybe their sys-admin sucks.
>	Anyway, the only problem with this is that most/all people subscribed
>should be getting these mails bounced back.  So I'm probably wrong :)  Maybe
>the gremlins are only after you and me...
>	In any case, I would say our list-keeper might want to remove her from
>the list, maybe after contacting her.  She hasn't posted to say "Hey
>it's me!!"... 
>
>Ahhh,
>-mike
>
>
>> 
>> I had the same thing happen to me the other day when I posted to sfraves (at
>> least I think it was from her...it was a hazy day).  It said the mailbox was
>> full or something like that.  That was the only time it happened, so this
is a
>> test to see if it happens to me again (maybe she's on the list and all
mail to
>> her is getting bounced back - did someone already suggest this?  Only problem
>> with that logic is that it should happen to everybody...)
>> 
>> Are _all_ your mails getting returned, or just the ones to or cc'd to the
list?
>> 
>> Here goes,
>> -mike
>> 
>> > 
>> > Man I'm gettign urked, I'm still having all my email being sent to and
>> > returned from this stephanie powell chracter at some Castijillo school
>> > somewhere.  And now compuserve has taken an interest in all my mail,
what the
>> > hell?!?   How in the hell does this sort of thing happen?  Any tech gurus
>> > care to take a stab at this one?
>> > -StEvEo
>> > 
>> > 
>> > P.S. HI STEPHANIE, HOPE YOUR ENJOYING MY MAIL!!!   ; {
>> > 
>> > P.S.S. UP YOURS COMPUSERVE! ; [
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>
>
>


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From: Aleph One <aleph1@dfw.net>
To: "Mark D. Camp" <camp@gala.apple.com>
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On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Mark D. Camp wrote:

> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:14:09 -0000
> From: Mark D. Camp <camp@gala.apple.com>
> To: sfraves <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
> Subject: Who's going to Organic in LA??
> 
> Hey, This is kinda late, but I was just wondering who on the list is 
> going to Organic this weekend in LA.  Maybe we could try to do an SFraves 
> Meeting place??

We are leaving *NOW*. We'll be at InOrganic tonight and Organic tomorrow.
Look for a fellow with long dark hair and a gotie(sp?). Also some of us 
and  socal-ravers will meet by Ken's Pure Acid Mixtapes bothby the main
stage at aroun 8 or 9 I belive.

> -M
> 
>                             ***ASTRONOUT***
>                           sounds textures beats
> 
> 

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From: David Minuk <davidmin@crl.com>
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Subject: Gateway Light / Solstice Party in East Bay!(bsp) (fwd)
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Everyone come on down... I was just there(it's a few blocks from my office), 
it's a terrific location.  The swallows are soaring just inches above the 
green grass.  Have a happy summer everyone!

David

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:58:56 -0400
From: Clarityi@aol.com
To: Sfraves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Gateway Light / Solstice Party in East Bay!(bsp)

Hello all you wonderful summer fun lovers!  This Friday is Gateway's 1 year
anniversary Light Summer Solstice Celebration.  The line-up is in order
starting at 1pm. ending at 10p.m. Conciousness Lab (ambient meditation) then,
Monty, Galen, Andre Lucero, Jon Williams, John Carel, and a short closing
ambient meditation.  We are encouraging everyone to bring some type of
creative exchange like games, food, drums, didjeridoos, smiles, friends,
anything to share and celebrate!  There will be volleyball, croquette,  kiddy
pools w/ water, and a special art area.  The park is in Oakland near the
airport and is beautiful.  Directions are:  Take 580 tward the Oakland
Airport, Exit Hagenburger Rd., make the 1st right onto Edgewater, go up 1/4
mile and turn left onto Pardee.  Pull into the dirt parking lot directly on
your right.  The path into the park is paved and marked. Come and play in the
sun on the day with the most light! 
                                                    Feel it - Love!
                                                 -Gateway Systems
 



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 14:45:51 1996
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:49:03 +0100
To: Amy R Starkey <sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu>
From: KironO <cohara@berksys.com>
Subject: Re: ****ALIENS!!**** (nrr)
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At 02:23 PM 6/21/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I know lots of ravers who are enthralled with aliens.

Well, I guess it's an interesting subject. If you're into Aliens and such
then you;ll love this site
dedicated to the Roswell incident and all things extra-terrestrial.
http://www.execpc.com/vjentpr/jroswell.html#Images

Well of course the reason so many ravers are entralled by aliens is because
many eons ago
a race of hunonoids crash landed on our planet after their ship the SL1200
ran out of 
repetitive beats. They wore shiny silver suits and communicated via hugging
and water sharing.
These people - the Ravengi - made their home on this new found idyllic green
planet but were forced to live underground for many years whilst waiting for
the technology of their host planet
to mature. Then one day in Detroit in 1985, one of their number, Juan Atkins
produced a song :
"UFO",  and the rest is well, history..........

KironO

"Take me to your leader"


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 16:07:17 1996
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Hello.

Gateway has moved today's Solstice party to Pt. Molate in Richmond.
Apparently the Oakland authorities were less than friendly.

See ya there =)

ethan

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 16:26:15 1996
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Hey !

SUMMERTIME AND THE LIVING IS EASY !

I've enjoyed Sfraves immensley this, my first full week on the list.
I hope to meet some of you over the course of the summer. Have happy
thoughts wherever
you end up.
P.S. Will check 4 RFSF wherever i go this weekend. hee hee hee.......          

Peace out

CiaranO



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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: Re: Who's going to Organic in LA??
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we are leaving in about 1 hour...I will check my e-mail to see if anyone
wants to carpool from berkeley...we will be at inorganic tonight and
organic tommorrow!! YEAHHHH!  fun fun fun!!I hop eto meet som esf ravers
there too! look for me I will be wearing a long sleeve horizonbtally
striped colorful shirt...and will be with my brother phil and my good
friends dave and willow and renee say hi!

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *

On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Aleph One wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Mark D. Camp wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 14:14:09 -0000
> > From: Mark D. Camp <camp@gala.apple.com>
> > To: sfraves <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
> > Subject: Who's going to Organic in LA??
> > 
> > Hey, This is kinda late, but I was just wondering who on the list is 
> > going to Organic this weekend in LA.  Maybe we could try to do an SFraves 
> > Meeting place??
> 
> We are leaving *NOW*. We'll be at InOrganic tonight and Organic tomorrow.
> Look for a fellow with long dark hair and a gotie(sp?). Also some of us 
> and  socal-ravers will meet by Ken's Pure Acid Mixtapes bothby the main
> stage at aroun 8 or 9 I belive.
> 
> > -M
> > 
> >                             ***ASTRONOUT***
> >                           sounds textures beats
> > 
> > 
> 
> Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
> http://underground.org/
> KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 
> Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61  8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 
> 
> 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 21 20:03:52 1996
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Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 20:03:58 -0700
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That's right, you read it correctly. Since the last one was so much fun,
there will be another one coming on July 20th. So mark your calendars
because this is an event not to be missed. If you want to know more or would
like to take part in helping out with this event, just stay tuned in for the
next couple of days for the SFR BBQ & BEATS planning meeting info. The time
and location for the meeting will be posted soon. Hope to see alot of you
come with ideas and suggestions to help make this as good or better then the
last one.



Tim (knucklehead)




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All SFRavers! 
 
I want to go to organic but I have nobody to go with.  Anyone want to come
with me and keep me company for the ride?  I even have a cabin for us to
stay in. 
 
Where are you Reno? 
 
Call me NOW! 
 
**IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER** 
These words were NOT written by moonpup 
He's in London until late August 
 
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666

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From: "THX1138" <THX1138@planet-jubip.com>
Subject: Wow, What's Up Tonight
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Hiya Peoples;

        Well that computer I started putting together a month ago is finally
at about 95% sucessfully completed, built for spEED!!!. I've been living
inside a 10 bay black tower case with 3 LED's that indicate 666, the beast;
and so rightly named. Had to reload Windows 95 about 4 times and all the
software I have about, 4 gigs worth argh!!!. I feel happy and fulliflled,
and wanting to go out and paint the town RED, BLACK & BLUE, YEAH!!!!!!!. So
what's hot tonight, what's trance tonight?

        After throughly getting my full of WIn 95 for the past two - three
months I have but just one thing to say, Win 95 and your automatic settings;
..... SUCK!, SUCK!!, SUCK!!!, MAY you rot in OS hell
ah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace   
THX1138


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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: BBQ & BEATS II
To: SDream <SDream@tgrigsby.com>
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Me too! I wanna help.

I think I'll start by helping Tim find a hat, so his head doesn't change
colors while on BBQ detail. That color looks good
on a Porsche but....


Take care,
                    Jason

 

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 I hope I did this right?!?>

         So I just started dancing n all a few months ago. I always new about
"raves" but  I just never had friends willing to go. Plus I had a girlfriend
(that probably wouldn't let me) and I had no clue how to dance (not like I do
now though). 
        From what I know, those were the good times. My sister and her
friends were always out all night and I had no clue where they went. Just
lately my sister told me about all of these things she did. She told me about
huge parties that were in an old drive in parking lot where people could play
nintendo up on the screens. They had killer music then, and we do now, but
the music was soon adopted by radio stations like wild 107 and others. 
         Things like this made "Raves" too popular. Hell. . . cool world had
someone passing out flyers to people leaving my high school parking lot after
school. People thought that they were all cool n all cuz they "Raved". The
next thing you knew. "Raves" were turning into a big drug fest where people
thought they had to do drugs, because that's what they thought "Raving" was. 
           Now I can't help but hate all of those people who shouldn't be
there with us. All of those guys who lean against the wall trying to look
hard. All of those jocks who go because they either think that there'll be an
"E" orgy, or they think that some chick on "E" is gonna de-virginize them. I
mean. . . the last party I went to, there was a fight!!!
I have never seen that before. My sister has never seen it happen. Neither
has her friends. "Raves" are turning into the popular "scene" for druggies,
drunks, and porn-stars.
           I'm not saying that "E" or Acid is bad. I'm just saying that
people who go to raves thinking they are supposed to get high just have the
wrong idea.
          Maybe I'm just getting upset about a good thing turning bad. 
          I don't think that there's any way to stop this from happening.
There really isn't.  Too many people want to make too much money out there.
That just sucks!
          Seriously speaking, we should be careful of who we tell about our
love to. You wouldn't tell a rapist where a school full of young, christian,
hard-bodied women was. . . would you? You have to keep it alive. Don't kill
it. Don't let it die. Just keep it happy and everything will be just fine.

                        HaVe A nICe dAy!.!.!.!

                   Aryck


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Well, I just got back from the Trocadero. My sentiments are with those
fellow ravers who stay away from clubs: I just got wind of what I had been
missing.

The crowd was largely devoid of vibe. There was a huge pack making vain
attempts to dance on the floor, and some truly wacky fashion statements. The
real party was happening upstairs. A few whisps of vibe wafted through the
area, disguised as pot smoke. Clubbers smoke way too much, compared to
ravers. Ah, I complain too much...back to the review.

The DJ's sucked big time. One of them even complained about not having a
monitor to mix with. The evening started with mostly gabber and jungle, then
turned to some house, and aimed towards technoland (i.e. Kraftwerk) when
they mercifully stopped.

The Brothers finally made it to the stage around 10:30. They started in for
just a few moments, when technical difficulties killed their set. After some
futzing around, the Brothers finally "worked it out", and started in. WAY to
much bass -- I mean, my throat was hurting from the bass action. The sound
was very distorted.

One of the sets they played was composed of the first few tracks of their
"Exit Planet Dust" CD, in exact order. The tunes sounded almost identical to
the CD. These guys ought to take some lessons from Gary Clail, the guru of
live mixing (check out some of the early Tackhead albums -- the stuff he did
10 years ago make this duo sound like amateurs by comparison).

Well, enough venting for now. Hope everyone enjoys the big show in Big Bear
tomorrow. I may end up heading over to Sunset on Sunday, then on to the
Fillmore on Monday, to get my rave appetite filled for the weekend.

P&L,
-G-

P.S. I finally bought my first PC, after sticking with employers' and
university eqipment all these years. I'll be tending to this page from home
mostly, with occasional peeks at work. [THX1138, if you think Windows '95
sucks for system administration and setup, you should try Windows NT -- an
adventure in frustration, especially on the hardware side!]



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From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong)
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So... Who's going to Sankofa?!? 

It's going to be FULL CIRCLE'S one year anniversery and it's going to 
be in Oakland!

I'll be wearing my usual outfit: Black and White Dr.Suess hat w/ Alien 
head necklace. Black and white striped shirt too.


If you see me, come say hi! =)~


Adam   
    R.Lunatic

btw here's the number 415.675.9956     or     510.986.9089 

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I understand how you might feel about this. You've come to realise the these parties and 
the ritual of dance mean more to you now because of the good times you've had and the 
wonderful memories from it that you carry with you. But when you see things that
disturb or make you angry like fights, people completely off their heads from 
drugs, or people who seem to not understand why or what it's all about i.e. 'jocks', you 
must allow them the same opportunity to learn from these events as you have. As we all 
have. The people attending these events make up a variety of backgrounds, cultures, 
lifestyles, and ideas. To give them the chance to learn from out-moded behaviors and 
thoughts, to explore the possibilities of new, more creative ways of expression, and to 
be in an environment conducive to change. The dance, the music, the people are those 
forces of change for even the most stubborn of temperment. It will be a struggle not to 
get angry over 'something good turning bad' but remember that these are learning 
experiences for everyone and perhaps with compassion for others, understanding of 
differences, and living life as the 'example' rather than as a 'reaction' -- we can all 
influence positive changes in the world around us. This is what actually keeps the scene 
alive as well the rest of humanity. Subside the fears and the anger, embrace the love 
and warmth of what we all share -- Life.

Peace be with always,
Tex


MXSNOWMAN@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  I hope I did this right?!?>
> 
>          So I just started dancing n all a few months ago. I always new about
> "raves" but  I just never had friends willing to go. Plus I had a girlfriend
> (that probably wouldn't let me) and I had no clue how to dance (not like I do
> now though).
>         From what I know, those were the good times. My sister and her
> friends were always out all night and I had no clue where they went. Just
> lately my sister told me about all of these things she did. She told me about
> huge parties that were in an old drive in parking lot where people could play
> nintendo up on the screens. They had killer music then, and we do now, but
> the music was soon adopted by radio stations like wild 107 and others.
>          Things like this made "Raves" too popular. Hell. . . cool world had
> someone passing out flyers to people leaving my high school parking lot after
> school. People thought that they were all cool n all cuz they "Raved". The
> next thing you knew. "Raves" were turning into a big drug fest where people
> thought they had to do drugs, because that's what they thought "Raving" was.
>            Now I can't help but hate all of those people who shouldn't be
> there with us. All of those guys who lean against the wall trying to look
> hard. All of those jocks who go because they either think that there'll be an
> "E" orgy, or they think that some chick on "E" is gonna de-virginize them. I
> mean. . . the last party I went to, there was a fight!!!
> I have never seen that before. My sister has never seen it happen. Neither
> has her friends. "Raves" are turning into the popular "scene" for druggies,
> drunks, and porn-stars.
>            I'm not saying that "E" or Acid is bad. I'm just saying that
> people who go to raves thinking they are supposed to get high just have the
> wrong idea.
>           Maybe I'm just getting upset about a good thing turning bad.
>           I don't think that there's any way to stop this from happening.
> There really isn't.  Too many people want to make too much money out there.
> That just sucks!
>           Seriously speaking, we should be careful of who we tell about our
> love to. You wouldn't tell a rapist where a school full of young, christian,
> hard-bodied women was. . . would you? You have to keep it alive. Don't kill
> it. Don't let it die. Just keep it happy and everything will be just fine.
> 
>                         HaVe A nICe dAy!.!.!.!
> 
>                    Aryck

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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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Burning Man...Burning Man...Burning Man...Burning Man...Burning Man...

Sorry, just a momentary flashback.

Can't wait!

==and eager Burning Man participant, I almost look forward to the end of
summer


Take Care,
                  Jason

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On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Jason C. Lundy wrote:

> Burning Man...Burning Man...Burning Man...Burning Man...Burning Man...
> 
> Sorry, just a momentary flashback.
> 
> Can't wait!
> 
> ==and eager Burning Man participant, I almost look forward to the end of
> summer

You know for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would want to 
drive several hours out in to the middle of nowhere, leaving any vestige
of civilization, into heat, dust, mud, without any place to take a proper 
bath, and with a bunch of like-minded people who are similarly off their 
collective rockers. Ooohhh I can't wait! :-)

                                        Black Adder


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[ to sfraves list ]

 Thanks to Claire , Andrew , John Carel, and everyone else who organized
the wonderful LIGHT Solstice event at the "emergency" Point Molate site
yesterday! Despite a rough start due to getting kicked out from the 
original Oakland site, the crew got things packed, moved, and set up in 
great time!

 Some memories -
* Mighty Dog! : There was this black and grey hound that was totally 
  obsessed with a black driftwood 2"x4"x5' plank. If anyone threw the
  plank into the cold cold bay, that mutt would throw himself out into
  the water after it. He(she?) would drag the damn board all about, pawing
  at it and growling and barking at its toy.

* Water guns! : With little blue handpistols and larger mini-soaker rifles.
  Despite the chilling breeze, some folks actually got into shootouts!

* Nice people! : Met some new folks , and put more faces to email names.
  Dance area density got to optimum around 7:30PM. Good feelings all
  around.

 Someone please post the sequence of DJs. 

 Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com


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>> Are _all_ your mails getting returned, or just the ones to or cc'd to the
list?

Yep, each & every piece!

-StEvEo

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Okay everybody! It's time to go off tonight!!!!

I hope to see all of you at Sankofa! I'll be the the one
with an undeniable glow of postive energy shootin' vibe
out of my fingertips to everybody! I'll also have my big
ass Mickey gloves that I got at Disneyland last week!

I still have a handful of SFraves laminates. So find me if 
you want one. I'm always nearby R.Lunatic who plans to 
seriously light up the dance floor like Hyakutake so watch out!

PLUR, 

CT
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hello all-

jst wanted to greet summer with a smile, and hope you all are doing the
same.  see ya later

i love ya-

matt l



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ok. i finally got it together to upload my pictures. so if anyone wants to
see them, they are at 
(i'm uploading them right now, so if you log on as soon as you see this,
there may be more to come.)

http://staging.cyborganic.net/people/erase/pictures/

they are just in a dir right now, but i'll have a nice interface and some
captions set up soon, depending on how soon i finish my english essay :p. 
if anyone knows the names of people in the photos, please email me..
also, if anyone sees themself in a photo and would like their email address
linked, please tell me also.

i'm also in the process of building my homepage. if anyone wants to look at
it, feedback is appreciated! :) 
http://staging.cyborganic.net/people/erase
brendan


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Intelligent thinking (is that redundant?) on the part of the Gateway crew
yesterday: while most parties at that park have the DJ table set near the
parking lot, the light crew put the decks near the water, which made for a
much nicer view for the dancers--instead of looking at parked cars as we
danced around, we all got to face the water and watch the sun go down.
  It was *so* much better that way... Sunset organizers, please take note!

see you all out there,
Timothy




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I like Wild 107.

I tried to get into the stompy stompy party
last night but had forgot my i.d.  I tried to
bribe the doorman thinking I had some small
shot at this with it being past bar time and 
all but had no luck.  

he was very nice about it, though.
Did anyone go?  Was Derrick May there?

My friend is going to the Pleasuredome tonight.
Be nice to her.  Since we fucked up getting into
Stompy.  She obviously needs to sweat.  

Now, I can't ever keep straight the pleasure dome
and club universe.  They all have men in bubble baths
on glossy flyers.  I imagine the Pleasuredome being like
a largish Endup without as many tables to stand on
and wink at people.

I smuggled a large burrito into the makeout room
and ate it on stage.  I also convinced the national
rep for St Ides Malt Liquor to sponsor a soccer team.
I'm captain.  She said, that along with jerseys, she
would arrange a "special party" in a bar somewhere.
In all seriousness, I'd prefer to throw a malt liquor
soccer rave in a golden gate park.  I've got the corporate
sponsorship now.  SO SPread the Word.  DJ's wanted.
Fuck the aliens.  I want lowriders, graffiti art,
some type of raving wind tunnel - surround sound
house music while you strap in ala tom cruise
all hard bodied out and dangle fly.

I'm not a rapist, and I love girls in catholic
school uniforms.  Put her on a swing in cole valley.
It's a major fucking fetish of mine.

Dave


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Greeting everyone out there on sfraves.  Some of you may have read Steve's
note about me. . .and I thought a real introduction was in order. 
 My name is Phelps and although I have Sactown origins I spend a predominate
amout of time at Mills College in Oakland (where I go 8 months out of the
year) and bopping around Berkeley and SF.
I can totally relate to Eric P. Peterson's hunger for some good summer
parties.  Last year was an explosion of fun for me at Sunsets and other
outdoor celebrations.  It ended with a blast of a time at Burning Man (my
second year) with wonderful company like Steve, Rick Riffle, fellow new
member Jesse, and about a hundred other kindred spirits.
Last weekend's Orion was a good effort, but was a downer for many of the
people involved (including my little sister who never got there and I who got
there 10min. to shut down). Yesterday's Gateway Light Solstice party was a
(chilly) blast once it finally got settled into a location. . .although Brad
from Consciousness Lab did an awsome set at the (busted) first spot.
I'm looking forward to seeing and meeting you all at parties in the future. .

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 22 15:41:29 1996
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Tremendously mediocre.  Nothing outright bad, but disappointing all around.
I would have had a much better time listening to a good DJ spinning their
records.  For now, they're definitely a group for the studio--they showed
little capacity to improvise or innovate in a live context, playing most of
their album stuff pretty straight and, in the process, running smack into
the limits of the restricted sonic palette available onstage.  Lacking the
opportunities of the studio for layering and manipulation, they apparently
compensated with overdriven PA rather than working within or around the
limits of the setup, producing a monotonous sound with way too much hiss
and boom, and not enough thump, for my taste.  Not that there weren't any
good bits at all--I enjoyed the ten minutes or so around the time the
visuals shifted from monochrome to color the most--but it was a drag on the
whole, especially after paying $15.  And they only played for an hour or
so.  And, of course, it was at the Trocadero--effing *packed*, as always
(I'm positive they let in more than the Fire Marshal allows for that
space), and packed with a Terminator crowd to boot (Deathguild would have
been tolerable).

Thank god I left and crawled around the corner and up the street to Light
in the Addict, which made my night.  A bit sparsely attended, but all cool
people and all kickass tunes (who was that on from 1-3 or so?).  Took off
around 4 and headed down to warm myself at the BASS fire for a bit, but
despite great spinning the music was a little too head and not enough body
for me, so I moved on down to close things out with Tracy and Rob at Rain
Dance's clifftop solstice celebration.  Nice, but a little too relaxed...I
want to be AWAKENED when the sun's coming up.

anarch@scruznet.com



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SFRavers & Friends  FYI: 
 
Leslie Ayers does not have email service any more. 
 
She asked me to post a message to the list asking everyone wishing to
contact her to do this via phone.  
 
--erik 
 
**IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER** 
These words were NOT written by moonpup 
He's in London until late August 
 
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666

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What was that about may I ask?


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Thanks for your ideas. I'm happy that there are other people out there that
feel that way. Sometimes the thought of being "invaded" overpowers the ideas
of being equal with everyone. I almost forgot to think of it that way,
although you kinda lost me towards the end there.
      Aryck

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>I'm always nearby R.Lunatic who plans to 
>seriously light up the dance floor like Hyakutake so watch out!
>

Me?!? Light up the dance floor? Nooo.... =)~

I'll be dancin' with my blue and white glowsticks!!


Adam
    R.Lunatic

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    I am New to the list (1 week) and was attempting to comply with ettiquete
and not post for the obligatory two week break in period when I read the
"Jocks" post.  I have been attending house parties (raves) since '91 and have
been to them in L.A., San Diego, San Francisco,  Sydney Australia, and
Vancouver Canada.  Every scene is a little different as far as attitude is
concerned (San Fran. is the best by far).  What I like about the scene is the
wide assortment of people that attend and the acceptance that is exibited by
(most) people.  The author of "Jocks" seems to be missing this attribute by a
wide margin.  I don't pay much attention to the fashions prevalent at the
parties I usually throw on a pair of jeans and a tee-shirt and my Docs and
go.  I am much more interested in the party than trying to fit in.  I also
stay in shape.  And when I tire of dancing or overheat sometimes I even lean
against a wall to watch everyone enjoy themselves (what a horrible crime).
 Could I be one of the people the author has such a problem with?  I thought
the rave scene was beyond labeling people by their appearance only.  This is
high school mentality.  I am drawn to raves as a philosophy major because of
the good emotions and attitudes radiated by my fellow human beings regardless
of their color, sexual orientation, or fashion sense.  Violence at raves of
course is intolerable but I must say it is an aberration (except maybe in
L.A.).  I would like to extend an invitation to the author to go to a party
with me and maybe he will understand how off base he is.  In fact I would
like to go to a party tonight and my friends are busy with work e.t.c.   What
do you say?

























                                                                         Jeff

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I'm desperate for a ride to SANKOFA! I don't have a car but I'm willing to
help contribute for gas! Please, if anyone has a good enough vibe and is
kind, e-mail me at scaplier@ousd.k12.ca.us or just call me at
1-510-655-8369 or at my apartment in SF at 1-415-621-7624... I'm willing to
wait at a BART station or some other east bay landmark!

Thanx man...



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D,

Thank you for sharing, Dave.  

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming....

???,
D.

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What is her numbah?


Milton Cecil wrote:
> 
> SFRavers & Friends  FYI:
> 
> Leslie Ayers does not have email service any more.
> 
> She asked me to post a message to the list asking everyone wishing to
> contact her to do this via phone.
> 
> --erik
> 
> **IMPORTANT!  READ DISCLAIMER**
> These words were NOT written by moonpup
> He's in London until late August
> 
> ...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then
> Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK
> or drop me a line... 415-337-6666

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This message was sent by Chameleon 
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Dear All;

	The subject said's it all, later.

Peace
THX1138

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In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jun 96 01:16:52 PDT."
             <199606220816.BAA17692@dns2.noc.best.net> 
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> One of the sets they played was composed of the first few tracks of their
> "Exit Planet Dust" CD, in exact order. The tunes sounded almost identical to
> the CD. These guys ought to take some lessons from Gary Clail, the guru of
> live mixing (check out some of the early Tackhead albums -- the stuff he did
> 10 years ago make this duo sound like amateurs by comparison).

WORD! I had the luck of seeing a Gary Clail and TackHead shows (w/
Andrian Sherwood on  the mix, natch) in London and Bristol back around
88-89 (same year that I discovered "raving" by accident while
vacationing in Ibiza!). Very excellent LIVE shows indeed!

(And, b/t/w the real guru of live mixing behind "Gary Clail" or
"Tackhead" is Adrian Sherwood...)

As someone that got into techno/rave from the industrial/funk side of
things (e.g. Tack>>Head, Fats Comet, Skinny Puppy etc.) I'd have to say
that we haven't necessarily come that great a distance in the last 10
years. And unfortunately, few have been able to transition their studio
based art into live performance (this goes both for techno and rap
too).

PS: no I didn't go to the Chemical Bros show... i don't like the Troc,
and I hadn't heard that many glowing reviews about past Chemical Bros
shows. I like the Chemical Brothers ok, but it's not like they're going
into my personal pantheon of great musicians.

See you all at the Orbital/Underworld show -- I'm expecting it to be good!

PS: also coming up and hopefully a good "funk" show -- The Meters at
the Fillmore. Hope they got the original lineup. I've heard talk that
Leo Nocentelli (guitarist) and George Porter (bass) have gone their
separate ways and are fronting their own bands. Hopefully Art Neville
(keyboards, yeah, it's the Neville Brother's Art Neville) and one of
the usual lineup of funky New Orleans drummers (e.g. Russel Battiste)
will be there. Anybody know for sure?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
==      Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com       ==
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Niels P. Mayer wrote:

> 
> As someone that got into techno/rave from the industrial/funk side of
> things (e.g. Tack>>Head, Fats Comet, Skinny Puppy etc.) I'd have to say
> that we haven't necessarily come that great a distance in the last 10
> years. And unfortunately, few have been able to transition their studio
> based art into live performance (this goes both for techno and rap
> too).

While I don't know a heck of a lot about rap, I find this comment a 
little odd. Didn't most rap start on the streets?

                                      Black Adder

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THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE 1991,  IT IS NOTHING NEW.  JOCKS AND
DRUGGIES AND GANGSTAS HAVE BEEN INVADING ON THE RAVE SCENE SINCE IT
STARTED.  BUT DO NOT WORRY IT COMES IN WAVES.  IF YOU DO WHAT YOU LOVE AND
STICK WITH IT THEN IT WILL PAY OFF.

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 MXSNOWMAN@aol.com wrote:

>  I hope I did this right?!?>
>=20
>          So I just started dancing n all a few months ago. I always new a=
bout
> "raves" but  I just never had friends willing to go. Plus I had a girlfri=
end
> (that probably wouldn't let me) and I had no clue how to dance (not like =
I do
> now though).=20
>         From what I know, those were the good times. My sister and her
> friends were always out all night and I had no clue where they went. Just
> lately my sister told me about all of these things she did. She told me a=
bout
> huge parties that were in an old drive in parking lot where people could =
play
> nintendo up on the screens. They had killer music then, and we do now, bu=
t
> the music was soon adopted by radio stations like wild 107 and others.=20
>          Things like this made "Raves" too popular. Hell. . . cool world =
had
> someone passing out flyers to people leaving my high school parking lot a=
fter
> school. People thought that they were all cool n all cuz they "Raved". Th=
e
> next thing you knew. "Raves" were turning into a big drug fest where peop=
le
> thought they had to do drugs, because that's what they thought "Raving" w=
as.=20
>            Now I can't help but hate all of those people who shouldn't be
> there with us. All of those guys who lean against the wall trying to look
> hard. All of those jocks who go because they either think that there'll b=
e an
> "E" orgy, or they think that some chick on "E" is gonna de-virginize them=
=2E I
> mean. . . the last party I went to, there was a fight!!!
> I have never seen that before. My sister has never seen it happen. Neithe=
r
> has her friends. "Raves" are turning into the popular "scene" for druggie=
s,
> drunks, and porn-stars.
>            I'm not saying that "E" or Acid is bad. I'm just saying that
> people who go to raves thinking they are supposed to get high just have t=
he
> wrong idea.
>           Maybe I'm just getting upset about a good thing turning bad.=20
>           I don't think that there's any way to stop this from happening.
> There really isn't.  Too many people want to make too much money out ther=
e.
> That just sucks!
>           Seriously speaking, we should be careful of who we tell about o=
ur
> love to. You wouldn't tell a rapist where a school full of young, christi=
an,
> hard-bodied women was. . . would you? You have to keep it alive. Don't ki=
ll
> it. Don't let it die. Just keep it happy and everything will be just fine=
=2E
>=20
>                         HaVe A nICe dAy!.!.!.!
>=20
>                    Aryck
>=20
>=20

Terry Huntington
www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/terry.html

       ~\_=E5_/~                                                =20
         (=EC)    =20
         /|            =20
         \\
      =F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8
 Celebrate Vinyl!!


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<< THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE 1991,  IT IS NOTHING NEW.  JOCKS AND
 DRUGGIES AND GANGSTAS HAVE BEEN INVADING ON THE RAVE SCENE SINCE IT
 STARTED.  BUT DO NOT WORRY IT COMES IN WAVES.  IF YOU DO WHAT YOU LOVE AND
 STICK WITH IT THEN IT WILL PAY OFF. >>

Ummm....all of this talk about jocks and stuff is all bullshit. anyone can
party, first the jocks can't come, then the gangsta's, then the queer, then
the black, soon there will be nobody left to party. And people say parties
are about peace love UNITY and RESPECT   ???????
Jonathan

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I will be there, with tapes... I will give you one... if possible please give
me at least a dollar so I can buy more blank tapes and  distribute them!
Thanks. I will be wearing a black backwards baseball cap, blue jeans and a
black jacket with a grey block stripe on the breast, I will also have a blue
backpack with an alien head on the back!!!
Jonathan

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hello all-

i'm sure that this has already been asked, but i shall ask again.

is there a sunset today?

if anybody has either the number to call or other info, could they call
me?  i won't be checking my e-mail any more today, so call at the
following number-

415-752-3218

thanks!  i love you all (hee hee hee!)

matt l


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hope you're having a wonderful day!

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From: Terry Huntington <hunt1@clark.net>
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touche, you are absolutely right.  I have to admit that my last statement
was out of line.
peace
terry

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 Jondabomb@aol.com wrote:

>=20
>=20
> << THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE 1991,  IT IS NOTHING NEW.  JOCKS AND
>  DRUGGIES AND GANGSTAS HAVE BEEN INVADING ON THE RAVE SCENE SINCE IT
>  STARTED.  BUT DO NOT WORRY IT COMES IN WAVES.  IF YOU DO WHAT YOU LOVE A=
ND
>  STICK WITH IT THEN IT WILL PAY OFF. >>
>=20
> Ummm....all of this talk about jocks and stuff is all bullshit. anyone ca=
n
> party, first the jocks can't come, then the gangsta's, then the queer, th=
en
> the black, soon there will be nobody left to party. And people say partie=
s
> are about peace love UNITY and RESPECT   ???????
> Jonathan
>=20

Terry Huntington
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 Celebrate Vinyl!!


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Tim-

 The BBQ & BEATS idea sounds great.  Let me know if there is anything that I 
can do to help you out. 

-Todd


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sorry, i suppose this is sort of non-rave related, but two friends of 
mine are coming to sf at the end of june and are searching for housing. 
they are 2 nice girls, both students, who love to rave. if you have any 
info it would be greatly appreciated. you can call joanna at 408-377-8693
by the way, anyone up for checkin out "mantra" tonite? i have never, and 
i think tonite i will try somethin new and go. i will have on my 
"defeated" t-shirt. well, hugs and kisses to all of you who have been 
down since day one. i luv you!! take care :)


jeff


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I've been thinking for a while that this scene needs something to shake it
up. Something people can love or hate but not ignore. Even the music's gone
tepid, it seems, so as to lull people gently through an e trip chosen with
great discretion and care. I could be wrong, of course, but I think that -
with the exception of Archimedes - no one has ever come to great insights
while in a bubble bath. Most of the UG parties I've been to lately have
been as guilty of this as the commercial ones.

Rabbit in Moon at Sankofa this morning is exactly what we need more of. The
two-man, musician-and-random-freak team was clever, sophomoric, brilliant,
silly, stupid, relentless, endearing, beautiful, and I loved every second
of it. The music itself plodded a few times, but there were some great
moments, not the least of which was a theremin with some phat bass. The
random freak's costumes and props were inspired, I thought. I definitely
want to try the face mask/grinding wheel combo for myself sometime!

I'm sure at least one person was miffed that the all the crowd's energy was
suddenly focused on the stage and not on the crowd itself, but Rabbit in
the Moon clearly took a pathetically limpid commercial event and turned it
on its head. After they closed off their act, the next DJ (who was??) took
the energy and ran with it, throwing down some of the harder tracks I've
heard in months. When we left at 6AM or so, the place was as populated as
it was at 2:30, and was going off in a much bigger way.

So now my golden rule of "an event's worthwhileness is in inverse
proportion to its cost" is shattered.

-nate



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 23 17:25:36 1996
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Now you let Dave go off when he needs to. He's much less likely to harm the
general public that way.

Hiya, Dave! How's life? Your poetic diatribes have been sorely missed!
-nate

At 8:20 PM 6/22/96, Diana Greer wrote:
>D,
>
>Thank you for sharing, Dave.
>
>And now back to our regularly scheduled programming....
>
>???,
>D.



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 23 17:40:49 1996
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No, buddy. You're not one of my "jocks". I'm basically talking about the
people who go, (who just usually seem to be jocks), that go to stare at the
"freaks", pick up on chicks, get drunk, and maybe get in a fight or two. I've
met waaaaaaay too many of these people and basically, they're the only type
of people I don't really like. Thanks for your opinion. 
               
                               Aryck

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 23 17:57:28 1996
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My night was killer. I saw you and your friend (which is which), the one with
the Dr. Seuss hat, and the one with the Mickey gloves. My girlfriend pointed
you out from talking to you at Madness and then you came over by the rolling
door in the semi-chill room with a few other guys. Me and Lacy were sitting
on a rug sort thing against the door and she said something about that guy
next to us with the mickey gloves. Wierd.
Sorry I didn't say hi. 
      Glad you had fun. I danced half to death and loved it. My girlfriend
had a good time. Saw one of my friends girlfriends with another guy AGAIN.
Accidentily whipped a few hundred people with my chain (sorry people). Just
hung around with a bunch of hyper chicks all night. (What could be better?).
      I thought the night was gonna turn ugly when packs of esse's , vatos,
paragraphs, and whatever started cutting in fron of everyone in line. But I
guess there really weren't any problems. 
      Sankofa was cool. They should have had more doors open. And did you
ever go into that bathroom by the chill area??? Damn. . . I started going in
but it was hard to breath, or even see in there. The cleanest area was on the
pavement out by the porta-things. I just danced all night and watched out for
my girlfriend and her friends. 
Had fun!!!
               See ya.
      Aryck.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 23 18:03:58 1996
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The dj's have the power to give you a good trip, to make you lose your mind,
to get energy, or to fall asleep. Wierd how music can effect us these ways.
(why doesn't my home stereo do this). I started getting tired of all of the
slow parts in the mix. But some of the faster parts raged. I swear. . .
everytime the song "came up" again, people just suddenly appeared out of
nowhere and started dancing. Then it'd fade again and everyone would
dissapear to somewhere?

                     Aryck

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 23 18:12:23 1996
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Hey SF Ravers,

Sunset has just been busted at the Berkeley Marina.  People are in the 
process of moving it to Pt. Molate in Richmond.  See you there.  

Peace,
Diana

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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 18:04:07
From: ravebabe@gnn.com (Carol  Saldana)
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Subject: Re: ****ALIENS!!**** (nrr)
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Amy Starky wrote:

>I know lots of ravers who are enthralled with aliens.  


For more interesting stuff there is this late night talk show program which 
is on the am dial 1500 from 1-5:am called "Coast to Coast" with Art Bell.  
This guy broadcasts out of Pahrump, NV and talks about alien sitings and 
other strange occurrances. Currently he's discusssing the "Arizona Abuduction 
Case" and the "Brazil UFO Sightings".  His website is 
<http://www.artbell.com/>....truly trippy with downloadable pictures of 
aliens from the "Roswel"l landing to the  "Chupacabra" wich is this 
prehistoric vampire bat like creature that has been attacking livestock in 
Argentina.  

Have fun,

Carol


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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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== the light crew put the decks near the water, which made for a much nicer
view for the ==dancers--instead of looking at parked cars as we danced
around, we all got to face the ==water and watch the sun go down.
==  It was *so* much better that way... Sunset organizers, please take
note!
==
==see you all out there, Timothy

What about those poor light sensitive folks out there who may have
misplaced their sunglasses?


Take care,
                  Jason


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Well, Sankofa went off like CTD-Zine said! Music was kinda tranc-e and 
hard to dance too. But there was some good break beats! The lighting 
was superb, just like the flyer said. Lights were bright as f*ck! Now, 
the stage acts... AWESOME!!!! one point where this person dressed up in 
an armored suit was standing on stage with a cricular type disk sander, 
sanding his armored head and blew sparks all over the place. That was 
amazin'. 

The only flaw.... THE LINE WAS WAY TOO DAMN LONG!!!! We were about 20 
feet from the door in line and it took over a half hour to get inside. 
AAAKKKK!!!

n-E-ways... overall the party was good, vibe was OK, and music was OK. 
The crowd I was hangin around made the party worthwhile. 
                =)~

Hope to see more SFravers in the upcoming parties!

Adam
    R.Lunatic.

BTW! I just want to contact the person who handed me the flyer for 
"NATURAL" while I was in line. Please e-mail me if you get this 
message. 

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We had a pretty fair start for audio.cafe last Wednesday night at the
Paris Theatre in Portland.  I think nearly 100 people came through at
some point, though some only stayed briefly.  Another one scheduled
for July 3, we'll go a little later due to it being the start of the
long holiday.  DJs will be J Mystic (Jeremy), RobP and myself, as it
currently stands.  

Yesterday we had wonderful time at Rooster Rock state park at the
mouth of the Columbia Gorge doing the second Saturdaze event.  The
weather was changeable but mostly very nice.  We set up in a park area
between I-84 and the river, right at the foot of the bluff that forms
Crown Point, one of *the* scenic vistas in Oregon.  We had a nice view
of a small waterfall off the cliff, and the park virtually to ourselves.
The rangers came by and visited, said we really shouldn't be doing this
but turn it down, so we did and everyone was happy.  Not much attendance,
about 30 in all I think, but a really nice one.  As for music, I started
followed by Dubs, Jeremy, Rob and Randy.  

I went to the Mecca party co-sponsored by XLR8R and Prescription Records
last night.  Amazingly enough, it was at the old Neighbors of Woodcraft
hall (now called the "Tiffany Center" for reasons I do not understand).
I say amazingly because that is where I did the final concert of my
promotion career in 1982, featuring the as-yet-unknown Nu Shooz.  
It's a nice and kind of stuffy place as far as ambience with a big
hall where the main sound was.  Up on the stage were Mike Stevens,
Diz, Johnny Fiasco and Rawno, and upstairs in a side room were the
trip hop/ambient/dub/whatever toonz -- Professor Andrew Smith at the
mixing console when I visited.  I would estimate maybe 500 or 600 paid
admissions, which means the promoters probably took a bath, the place
was really about half full.  The sound and lights were adequate but
not great.  The playing was reasonably interesting, though I can't tell
you how many people told me that Derrick Carter was spinning the set
before Johnny Fiasco's.  The man's name is Diz and he was doing it well.

I had a moderately good time, and I suppose that $20 for this lineup
and a nice place is comparable to $13 for a dirty warehouse, but there
just didn't seem to be much excitement about the whole affair.  Then
again, that's about par for the large gatherings.

phred

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==You know for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would want to 
drive several hours out in to the middle of ==nowhere, leaving any vestige
of civilization, into heat, dust, mud, without any place to take a proper 
bath, and with ==a bunch of like-minded people who are similarly off their 
collective rockers. Ooohhh I can't wait! :-)
==
==                                        Black Adder


I take it you don't like the great outdoors very much.

Most people are drawn to this event, and nature in general, due to this
lack of civilization. There is something primal
about having to survive on what you have brought into this desolation.
Black Rock also forces you to focus upon
yourself and those who have accompanied you there, for there are none of
life's daily trials to distract. In fact, there
is nothing at all that has not been lugged there by some individual, for
some purpose of survival or entertainment.
I feel that this focus, though short lived, is much needed in many people's
lives. I often leave the wilderness with
a new found perspective on my life or something that has been troubling me.
I also believe it is healthy to make a 
connection with nature; for we are all natural beings. 

Not to mention the sheer abundance of creativity that is so much a part
this particular gathering. Wow!


Take care,
                  Jason
 
  

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Jason, sweetie,
Black Adder was being most sarcastic! I can vouch for him that he had a 
ball at BM.  

love,
Amy
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|  '\`o O'    |
|   =(_^_)=   |         Amy Starkey
|     |U|     |         sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu
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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Jason C. Lundy wrote:

> 
> ==You know for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would want to 
> drive several hours out in to the middle of ==nowhere, leaving any vestige
> of civilization, into heat, dust, mud, without any place to take a proper 
> bath, and with ==a bunch of like-minded people who are similarly off their 
> collective rockers. Ooohhh I can't wait! :-)
> ==
> ==                                        Black Adder
> 
> 
> I take it you don't like the great outdoors very much.
> 
> Most people are drawn to this event, and nature in general, due to this
> lack of civilization. There is something primal
> about having to survive on what you have brought into this desolation.
> Black Rock also forces you to focus upon
> yourself and those who have accompanied you there, for there are none of
> life's daily trials to distract. In fact, there
> is nothing at all that has not been lugged there by some individual, for
> some purpose of survival or entertainment.
> I feel that this focus, though short lived, is much needed in many people's
> lives. I often leave the wilderness with
> a new found perspective on my life or something that has been troubling me.
> I also believe it is healthy to make a 
> connection with nature; for we are all natural beings. 
> 
> Not to mention the sheer abundance of creativity that is so much a part
> this particular gathering. Wow!
> 
> 
> Take care,
>                   Jason
>  
>   
> 

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Hmmmm.... where do I start...

Got in for phree (thank God) and went in to check out the space.  I don't 
think I could actually *see* the other side of the warehouse.   It was 
HUGE!  This was around 1pm, and there was someone playing Josh Wink's 
remix of Moby's "Bring Back my Happiness"... when the song hit the break, 
the bass was booming and it really sounded like muddled garbage.

The DJs that followed... Jungle - didn't work, and morning trace garbage 
for awhile... Then DJ Dan went on and played a boring, uninspired set.  
Rabbit in the Moon was cool, although a lot of it was DAT.  I fell asleep 
near the end of their performance, and woke up to Doug E. Fresh and MC 
Ricky D :) and noticed Terry Mullan was on!

Well, I think they did a pretty good job with everything, although the DJ 
lineup was in about the worst order possible.  I still had lots of fun 
(got my sfraves laminate finally :) met TONS of cool people and somehow 
made it out alive.  They only needed about 2000 people to break even, and 
they probably had about 4 or 5?  Really, if they could've filled the 
party earlier and put the right DJs on at the right times that could've 
been one of the best parties of the year.  Too bad my girlfriend wanted 
to leave in the morning and I missed most of Terry's set.  That about 
sums it all up! :)

John

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                                     -->PHAT!!!!<--

                                   With a Capital "P"
                                    And a Capital "H"
                                    And a Capital "A"
                                    And a Capital "T"
        
                                And 4 Exclamation Points
                                        "!!!!"






                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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From: Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net>
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    Uh,,, yeah there *was*!;).




On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, lanima00 wrote:

> hello all-
> 
> i'm sure that this has already been asked, but i shall ask again.
> 
> is there a sunset today?
> 
> if anybody has either the number to call or other info, could they call
> me?  i won't be checking my e-mail any more today, so call at the
> following number-
> 
> 415-752-3218
> 
> thanks!  i love you all (hee hee hee!)
> 
> matt l
> 
> 

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From: Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net>
To: Diana Greer <inanna@ccnet.com>
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  I was at the Marina until 5. Did alot of people show up at Pt. Molate 
afterwards?? Sunset was looking purrrty good when I was leaving:).
                           Reagan




On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Diana Greer wrote:

> Hey SF Ravers,
> 
> Sunset has just been busted at the Berkeley Marina.  People are in the 
> process of moving it to Pt. Molate in Richmond.  See you there.  
> 
> Peace,
> Diana
> 

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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Jason C. Lundy wrote:

> 
> ==You know for the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would want to 
> drive several hours out in to the middle of ==nowhere, leaving any vestige
> of civilization, into heat, dust, mud, without any place to take a proper 
> bath, and with ==a bunch of like-minded people who are similarly off their 
> collective rockers. Ooohhh I can't wait! :-)
> ==
> ==                                        Black Adder
> 
> 
> I take it you don't like the great outdoors very much.
> 
> Most people are drawn to this event, and nature in general, due to this
> lack of civilization. There is something primal
> about having to survive on what you have brought into this desolation.
> Black Rock also forces you to focus upon
> yourself and those who have accompanied you there, for there are none of
> life's daily trials to distract. In fact, there
> is nothing at all that has not been lugged there by some individual, for
> some purpose of survival or entertainment.
> I feel that this focus, though short lived, is much needed in many people's
> lives. I often leave the wilderness with
> a new found perspective on my life or something that has been troubling me.
> I also believe it is healthy to make a 
> connection with nature; for we are all natural beings. 
> 
> Not to mention the sheer abundance of creativity that is so much a part
> this particular gathering. Wow!
> 

You know, I knew I should have put the following disclaimer when I posted 
my comment about Burning Man:

For the humor-impaired: The above was a *JOKE* I had what can only be 
described as a transendental experience at Burning Man, and look 
very, very, very, very, very, very(you get the point) forward to going again.

                                      Black Adder


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Hi everybody-

 I just wanted to know how many of you are going to be at the 
Orbital/Underworld show tonight.  Come and say Hi! to me.  Just look for a tall 
guy, 6'9", wearing a black shirt and enjoying himself.  I'd love to meet some  
fellow sfravers.

-Todd


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On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Terry Huntington wrote:

> THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE 1991,  IT IS NOTHING NEW.  JOCKS AND
> DRUGGIES AND GANGSTAS HAVE BEEN INVADING ON THE RAVE SCENE SINCE IT


Folks, let us be careful about "labeling."  It is too easy to neatly box=20
a human being into a certain category and then write them off.  I would=20
hope that we can appreciate each human being for their individuality,=20
instead of putting them down with labels.  This is taking the easy way=20
out, instead of attempting to see the person in his/her entirity.


--kaySEE


> STARTED.  BUT DO NOT WORRY IT COMES IN WAVES.  IF YOU DO WHAT YOU LOVE AN=
D
> STICK WITH IT THEN IT WILL PAY OFF.
>=20
> On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 MXSNOWMAN@aol.com wrote:
>=20
> >  I hope I did this right?!?>
> >=20
> >          So I just started dancing n all a few months ago. I always new=
 about
> > "raves" but  I just never had friends willing to go. Plus I had a girlf=
riend
> > (that probably wouldn't let me) and I had no clue how to dance (not lik=
e I do
> > now though).=20
> >         From what I know, those were the good times. My sister and her
> > friends were always out all night and I had no clue where they went. Ju=
st
> > lately my sister told me about all of these things she did. She told me=
 about
> > huge parties that were in an old drive in parking lot where people coul=
d play
> > nintendo up on the screens. They had killer music then, and we do now, =
but
> > the music was soon adopted by radio stations like wild 107 and others.=
=20
> >          Things like this made "Raves" too popular. Hell. . . cool worl=
d had
> > someone passing out flyers to people leaving my high school parking lot=
 after
> > school. People thought that they were all cool n all cuz they "Raved". =
The
> > next thing you knew. "Raves" were turning into a big drug fest where pe=
ople
> > thought they had to do drugs, because that's what they thought "Raving"=
 was.=20
> >            Now I can't help but hate all of those people who shouldn't =
be
> > there with us. All of those guys who lean against the wall trying to lo=
ok
> > hard. All of those jocks who go because they either think that there'll=
 be an
> > "E" orgy, or they think that some chick on "E" is gonna de-virginize th=
em. I
> > mean. . . the last party I went to, there was a fight!!!
> > I have never seen that before. My sister has never seen it happen. Neit=
her
> > has her friends. "Raves" are turning into the popular "scene" for drugg=
ies,
> > drunks, and porn-stars.
> >            I'm not saying that "E" or Acid is bad. I'm just saying that
> > people who go to raves thinking they are supposed to get high just have=
 the
> > wrong idea.
> >           Maybe I'm just getting upset about a good thing turning bad.=
=20
> >           I don't think that there's any way to stop this from happenin=
g.
> > There really isn't.  Too many people want to make too much money out th=
ere.
> > That just sucks!
> >           Seriously speaking, we should be careful of who we tell about=
 our
> > love to. You wouldn't tell a rapist where a school full of young, chris=
tian,
> > hard-bodied women was. . . would you? You have to keep it alive. Don't =
kill
> > it. Don't let it die. Just keep it happy and everything will be just fi=
ne.
> >=20
> >                         HaVe A nICe dAy!.!.!.!
> >=20
> >                    Aryck
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
> Terry Huntington
> www.clark.net/pub/hunt1/terry.html
>=20
>        ~\_=E5_/~                                                =20
>          (=EC)    =20
>          /|            =20
>          \\
>       =F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8
>  Celebrate Vinyl!!
>=20
>=20

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Reagan Reid wrote:
> 
>   I was at the Marina until 5. Did alot of people show up at Pt. Molate 
> afterwards?? Sunset was looking purrrty good when I was leaving:).
>                            Reagan

Hi Reagan et al,

Sunset was definitely purrrty great yesterday... I had a blast!  Point
Molate was even more beautiful than usual (crystal clear across the bay,
sunset went all red and purple, ahhhh).  There really was NO reason the
cops had to break it up at the marina, but luckily almost everyone showed
up at the new location.  A very friendly and happy crowd.  We were there
'till it ended around 10! :) :) 

Mantra was also really great last night.  Now *that* is my kind of trance. 
Fast, fast, fast.  :) :) :)  If only I could've stayed past 1am....it
seemed to be getting even better.  The organizers do a really great job
with this one... nice decorations, lots of black lights, water galore, and
GREAT MUSIC.  I like the space at cat's grill too. 

Coming soon -- my web page with pix from new moon, the last two sunsets,
and more.  :)

Hugs,
Paul





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Hello and welcome, and thanks for sharing your perspectives with us!  It
looks to me like everyone on this list is in agreement with the things you
expressed in your post.  The author of "Jocks" understands, too, but seems
brought down by all the negative elements present in our scene.  Well, we
need to lift him up and support him, as well as the rest of us, and
preserve what we love so much.

"Where there is hatred, let me sow love"  - St. Francis of Assisi (a VERY
cool dude!)

- E



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>Folks, let us be careful about "labeling."  It is too easy to neatly box
>a human being into a certain category and then write them off.  I would
>hope that we can appreciate each human being for their individuality,
>instead of putting them down with labels.  This is taking the easy way
>out, instead of attempting to see the person in his/her entirity.
>
>--kaySEE
>
So true!  A pen pal of mine says that labels are for cans of corn, not for
people!

- E



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Come to the meeting.

We have a meeting tentatively planned for this Thursday, 6/27, in The City.

Details to follow.

TR

At 3:21 PM -0800 6/23/96, Todd Manley/Santa Clara/HDS wrote:
>Tim-
>
> The BBQ & BEATS idea sounds great.  Let me know if there is anything that I
>can do to help you out.
>
>-Todd




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I am extremely excited about this little shindig tonight.  Attached to a 
pair of silver, glow-in-the-dark sneakers, will be little ole' me!!  
Hopefully, I'll be dancing madly.  I'll be on the look out for the tons 
of sfravers there.  I hope we don't miss one another!!

Nancy will be with me, most likely.  She is very sad she isn't able to be 
on sfraves anymore, so come give her big smiles to let her know we miss 
her philisophical/political meanderings!!  :) 

--KaySEE

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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I am glad to hear that some people had a good time at Sankofa.  I 
contemplated going, but after I called the voice mail on Saturday night, 
I decided to stay home.  The voice-mail was pretentious and all about how 
we should just LOVE going to their parties.  Then the woman made (my 
impression) a sarcastic joke about "bring your harmony with you", then 
she and her friends busted out laughing in the back ground.  Whatever. 
I'll save my money for something more worthwhile.  I feel no need to 
support a group who thinks I should be dying to go to their party because 
it is the biggest baddest shit around town.  Sorry, I'll pass. 

(excuse my frustration, but I felt patronized by the voice-mail.  hmm... 
great PR)  

--kaySEE
              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Carol  Saldana wrote:

> For more interesting stuff there is this late night talk show program which 
> is on the am dial 1500 from 1-5:am called "Coast to Coast" with Art Bell.  

even better is Art's "DreamTime", Sundays 7-10pm on 640 am, it's more
alien-centric than "coast to coast".  It's fun to put on while driving
home from sunset... 

> This guy broadcasts out of Pahrump, NV and talks about alien sitings and 
> other strange occurrances. Currently he's discusssing the "Arizona Abuduction 
> Case" and the "Brazil UFO Sightings".  His website is 
> <http://www.artbell.com/>....truly trippy with downloadable pictures of 
> aliens from the "Roswel"l landing to the  "Chupacabra" wich is this 
> prehistoric vampire bat like creature that has been attacking livestock in 
> Argentina.  

:)  There's a new 12" on Strictly Rhythm by Chupacabra (actually a
pseudo-nym for Armand Van Helden of "Witch Docter" fame), it even has a
little picture of one of the sleeve.  I'm tempted to send Art a copy... :) 

Andy



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R,

Sunset at Pt. Molate was really good-sized and everyone was in good 
spirits!

D.


Reagan Reid wrote:
> 
>   I was at the Marina until 5. Did alot of people show up at Pt. Molate
> afterwards?? Sunset was looking purrrty good when I was leaving:).
>                            Reagan
> 
> On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Diana Greer wrote:
> 
> > Hey SF Ravers,
> >
> > Sunset has just been busted at the Berkeley Marina.  People are in the
> > process of moving it to Pt. Molate in Richmond.  See you there.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Diana
> >

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Don't worry about it KaySEE... I wouldn't have gone if I wasn't going to 
get in for free.  They could have charged $20, or even $15 and STILL MADE 
MONEY.  I just wanted to be able to see Terry and Rabbit in the Moon...  



> I decided to stay home.  The voice-mail was pretentious and all about how 
> we should just LOVE going to their parties.  Then the woman made (my 
> impression) a sarcastic joke about "bring your harmony with you", then 
> she and her friends busted out laughing in the back ground.  Whatever. 
> I'll save my money for something more worthwhile.  I feel no need to 
> support a group who thinks I should be dying to go to their party because 
> it is the biggest baddest shit around town.  Sorry, I'll pass. 
> 
> (excuse my frustration, but I felt patronized by the voice-mail.  hmm... 
> great PR)  

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 24 11:12:50 1996
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Sunset started out beautifully at the Berkeley Marina.  Nature,
sunshine, house music, ahh.  Tone gave me the Haiku trophy;
the awards ceremony was low-key mainly because I couldn't fit my
acceptance speech into 5-7-5 syllables.  Rick bestowed a
Consciousnes Research Labs tape on me.  Haven't listened to the whole
thing yet, but we like it so far; nice relaxing ambient
with just enough quirky sounds and subtle rhythms to keep it 
interesting.  Thanks! 

We were riding the vibe nicely, but fate had other plans.  Something 
about a rookie cop who didn't know that it was cool to
just look the other way.  He/she Called back for
instructions, and well, once you have to ask...  This is what I
heard, anyway.  Hope we'll be able to return in the future.

We felt kinda down at that point - a close friend of ours is sick
and dying - so we went down by the water and thought about him and
stuff.  Finally decided that dancing at Pt. Molate would be the healthy
thing to do.

There, DJ Unknown was spinning some glurpy acid with the kind of
sounds that every kid with hir first analog synth loves to make
in the bedroom.  Kinda fun for a bit, but didn't really create
the kind of groove I like to dance to.  Other's were digging 
it though.  The sunset was very Orangey and beautiful.  By the time
Garth came on, bodies were smothering Pacific's sound system, so it
was hard to really get into it.  Nevertheless, it was great to be out
with the tribe.

Oh, yeah, got our tickets for next week's Sunset boat party.  The last 
one was completely nuts.  Sadly, Freedom will not be at the Livermore
motorcycle racetrack.  Will still be outdoors though, and Martin
promises the same organ-rupturing sound system as last year.  The
vibe might be better at Harmony or whatever that weekend, but I just 
can't resist the big-killer-sound-system-outdoors thing.  Unfortunately,
ever since we watched that silly movie, Braveheart, we can't think about
this party in quite the same way - thanks to the final scene where
Mel Gibson responds to being disembowled by shouting "FREEDOM!!!!".

Lee
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:)

After a long meandering walk through Berkeley, we arrived at the very 
beautiful Berkeley Marina and Sunset, with four Rave Virgins in tow. 
Things were perfect at the Marina: a nice-sized crowd, a great view of 
the sun shimmering on the bay, the city, the hills, and stuff. I brought 
my bubble machine along and managed to get it working for about five 
minutes before it died from too much use. Met Justin and it was very good 
to see him. Then, three of the Rave Virgins decided to leave and that was 
sad. Then the ugly Berkeley Police came and stopped it all, beacuse of 
lack of $10 permit. I tried offering a cop the 10 bucks, but he called my 
clueless and explained to me how I need to give the $10 to someone else. 
Then another cop started babbling how he was around in the sixties', and 
how they had free concerts at Haight, and how we should get some corporate 
sponsorship, and how there was never going to be a Rave Party without 
E. So Justin, Carlos, Ruth, and I went to a really great place to eat in 
Emeryville before arriving at the backup location at Point Molate, which 
was also beautiful, and filled with many many people. Met Robert and a 
lot of other sfravers, and had a great time and enjoyed the red and 
orange and purple sunset. I was very glad Ruth, the first-time-raver (but 
not the last) enjoyed herself; she had a great time dancing and drawing. 
Too bad the others decided to leave early, but that was somewhat 
expected. see everyone at the obital/underworld show tonight. 

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If someone gets me a poster, I will worship you (and give you money) =)


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Hello dear friends!

Seems like every time I talk about raves with my roommate, John, he comes
to the same conclusions.  He says that if I'm not there (at a party) to
either make money or meet women, then I'm wasting my time.  The last time
we talked about this, he said that I shouldn't spend my time hanging around
"teeny-boppers bouncing around on e."  Can you believe that sh*t?  He says
that I should be spending my time in the (get this) clubs around downtown
San Jose, meeting women.  Just the thought of that sends off all kinds of
warning bells and whistles in my mind!
I asked John if he'd ever been to a rave, to which he of course replied
"No."  I said "Then you're not in a position to make these kinds of
judgments."  He agreed with me, but every time the topic comes up, he
launches into the same sermon.  He has no idea of the intense spiritual
fulfillment and the wonderful friendships I find in the course of
celebrating life through dance.  Although I know that I shouldn't let what
he says get to me, it still does, and sometimes it gets me down.  Can
someone, anyone, out there please lift me up?  Can I get a witness?

Love,

Eric



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All I can say is that your roommate is a judgemental fool.
I guess that isn't reassuring, but if he is going to be stubborn and make 
accusations about something he knows nothing about, I would just turn the 
other way and cover my ears. He is a jerk for treating you and what is so 
important to you with such flippant disrespect.  People like him rarely 
open their hearts to a different path, so I dunno if you should even try 
(this should depend on how important your firnedship is wiht him).  Never 
compromise yourself, sweetie.  

love,
Amy 

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  Well, you got witness #1 here:). I send my support your way. I dunno if 
you and John are great friends are anything?? But... I wouldn't be too 
concerned with what he thinks about you going to raves or what he 
*thinks* they are about. I've talked with many people who aren't into the 
scene and they have the same opinions. If John isn't willing to give it a 
try, then forget him and just go on your merry way. You'll probaly end up 
having enough fun for the both of you;).
                         just my 2 cents-
                        Reagan






On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote:

> Hello dear friends!
> 
> Seems like every time I talk about raves with my roommate, John, he comes
> to the same conclusions.  He says that if I'm not there (at a party) to
> either make money or meet women, then I'm wasting my time.  The last time
> we talked about this, he said that I shouldn't spend my time hanging around
> "teeny-boppers bouncing around on e."  Can you believe that sh*t?  He says
> that I should be spending my time in the (get this) clubs around downtown
> San Jose, meeting women.  Just the thought of that sends off all kinds of
> warning bells and whistles in my mind!
> I asked John if he'd ever been to a rave, to which he of course replied
> "No."  I said "Then you're not in a position to make these kinds of
> judgments."  He agreed with me, but every time the topic comes up, he
> launches into the same sermon.  He has no idea of the intense spiritual
> fulfillment and the wonderful friendships I find in the course of
> celebrating life through dance.  Although I know that I shouldn't let what
> he says get to me, it still does, and sometimes it gets me down.  Can
> someone, anyone, out there please lift me up?  Can I get a witness?
> 
> Love,
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 

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> I just wanted to know how many of you are going to be at the 
>Orbital/Underworld show tonight.  Come and say Hi! to me.  Just look for a
tall 
>guy, 6'9", wearing a black shirt and enjoying himself.  I'd love to meet some  
>fellow sfravers.

i'll be there too!
i'll be playing with my glowsticks, maybe i'll be twirling them on strings
if there is enough room. 
ummmm...  me:short brown hair, red shirt with alien head on it, shorts, 6'0".


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WOW!!!!!!!!!this was the most massive I am still so spun from the whole
thing...It all started with lunch with my friends Dave (on this list)
willow the goddess and my bro phillip at lunch on friday...we started tlk
ing about the party and decided what the hell...we gotta go. so I took
daves car to the shop...and we found out it had a busted head OH NO! then
my bro got fired from his job that afternoon so he could go!! so we rented
a car and left from berkeley around 8:00 pm, arrived in LA around
1:00...Dave drives like a madman...110 mph the whole way! after finding a
wonderful inspiring friend of willows to crash at at 3:30 we partied with
her all night and day while picking up goddies for the party! I got
really baked that day and took a walk around venice beach with my
bro...what a trip! LA is the strngest f*****g place! we were wearing
cutoffs and t-shirts and we felt realy out of place! smoe guy walkee
by us and said "your not in kansas anymore" HUH!!!!! I trhinki there
is some rule in LA that you are not allowed to go in publilc unless
you have fresh undies cologne and look absolutely marvelous! but
anyways lorie hooked us up rightously with the best juice shakes in the
whole world before we left. hopefully she will be coming up here real soon
so we can show her the SF scene!...so we left around 6:00 to the
party...on the way up the mountain we picked up four ravers who had lost
their spaceship due to technical difficulties...the vibe was tertiffic,
everyone was so excited and happy...we finally got into the place and it
was a wonderful site...the main laser was shooting all over the main stage
spelling out gigantically the words ORGANIC and other cool
patterns...about this point things start geting a litle blurry...meat beat
was kind of weird...their industrial roots were showing through...we
walked around and danced and talked and wandered all over ...there were
these glasses that you put on "brain food" that blink lights and for a
buck you could sit and trip on them al\s long as you wanted shit...what a
mind trip!!!!....finally the ORB came on...that was the highlight just
pure mind fucking...
	the sound system was teriffic, the only annoying thing was the
radio guy coming on and introdicing orbital..."HI is everyone having fun
YEAH...IM balah blah from blah blah blah radio station balh blah blah
blah" and the mostly on the main stager the music seemed to me like more
listen and be awed more than we are going to build this thing until the
whole valley exsplodes in mad dance! kind of like a cross between
lollapalooza and a rave.
	to end the story the party ended around six and we partied in the
lot until around 9:00 and then gave this poor fella a ride to la because
his ride left him htere! but he was such a cool guy really styled us out
the whole way (N20) back to la! then we drove home...got stuck in traffic
for about 2 hours and made it back to berkeley around 10:30 last night!!!
3 hours of sleep the whole weekend!!!!
	we all had the time of our lives!!
* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
UC Berkeley Computer Science/ Mathematics
http://violet.berkeley.edu/~trose
TRANCE_HARDER--DEEPER--FASTER
****************** ************* ******** ***** *** ** * *


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Hi everyone!!

I was just wondering if anyone planned to go to the Crash Worship performance
coming up this week?  I thought I might drop by and check it out.  I also
would like to know what to expect at the show since I have never heard or
seen them before.  Everytime someone mentions them on the list I was usually
intriqued so I want to see what it's all about.

Thanks,
       Megan              Czefir

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There will be a general meeting for anyone who wants to get involved in the
second BBQ & Beats party.  Tim and I will be points of contact for this
one, but we need input and help to pull it off.

Tim kicked out a date, but we might rethink that, nothing is set in stone yet.

Anyway, the meeting will be at my house this coming Thursday (6/27).  I
live in Noe Valley, SF, and am accessible by BART or public transport.
Please email me for directions, etc, if you can make it.

Three things that will make this meeting a good thing for you:

1)  You get to see how parties develop from the ground up, including DJ
selection (a fun topic indeed ;^), search for a sound system, and basic
principles in crowd control.

2)  You get to meet my kitten Barb!

3)  You'll be at the source for FnF patches and thus won't have to chase me
at a Sunset (or win a haiku contest) to get yours.  ;^)

Let me know if you can make it.

Tony

P.S. If someone wants to let Leslie know, that would be a good thing...

P.P.S.  This meeting will be BYOB.



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Any cool stuff going on this week for 18+ in the Sactown area?


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Eric Petersen (epaul) wrote:

>..he said that I shouldn't spend my time hanging around
>"teeny-boppers bouncing around on e."...
>...that I should be spending my time in the (get this) clubs around downtown
>San Jose, meeting women...
>...every time the topic comes up, he
>launches into the same sermon.

>Can I get a witness?

AMEN, BROTHER E!

My buddy Sean spouts the exact same crap.  It wasn't until I got a mutual 
friend of ours to go to one and she came back talking about how much fun it 
was that he softened his tune a little.  He's actually considering letting 
us drag him kicking and screaming to one (?!).  I'm SO tired of mainstream 
club crowds.  I like to go to an event with the primary intention of just 
plain having fun.  Then if I meet someone I just happen to want to see again 
outside that venue, that's different, but it's not my primary mission.

Your friend needs to attend a couple of these events, and he needs to adopt 
the correct mindset before going -- that of having fun with like-minded people.

Good luck, my brother in raving...

S


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There's a couple of clubs.

Wed. - The Lounge (at the Red Lyon, Sacramento Inn, off of I80.  Take the
Arden Way exit) (I believe it's 21+)

Thurs - Don't know the name of it, but it's supposed to be a good club.  (On
Broadway at 16th in the Melarkeys building) (Don't know the age)

Have fun.

Rick



At 02:46 PM 6/24/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Any cool stuff going on this week for 18+ in the Sactown area?
>
>
>



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Tuesday June 25 The SC Family presents:

      ASTRAL MATRIX (live PA)

      DJs Capricorn and Chris


The Deep 
Palookaville 1133 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz
9pm-1:30am
All Ages
$5 cover
(408) 425-3316

sea you there:)

salutations,
_____________________________________
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> Wed. - The Lounge (at the Red Lyon, Sacramento Inn, off of I80.  Take the
> Arden Way exit) (I believe it's 21+)

It's 18+ now and it's phree! (alcohol vibe)

> Thurs - Don't know the name of it, but it's supposed to be a good club.  (On
> Broadway at 16th in the Melarkeys building) (Don't know the age)

Real - $6... they usually have at least one out of town DJ.. it's been 
Barry Weaver, Donald Glaude, Eric Davenport, DJ Dan, etc. etc. in the 
last couple of months... good vibe and the alcohol is in the bar half of 
the venue...

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orbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbital


good stuff

I can't wait.

will be there tonite, perhaps in my burger king crown if I can find one
(my last one got thrashed after 6 months of use...)

	jon


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Hello everybody-

 Well, two of my friends had to back out of going to the concert tonight, and 
now I'm left with two extra tickets.  If you are interested please contact 
Cassandra at 415-325-5971.  She does not have access to her email account 
(senator@leland.stanford.edu) today, but if you call her she'll be happy to 
help.  See you there!

-Todd


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Just don't wear anything that you expect to come out of the show ever
wearing again!  Leave home your neurotic cleanliness hangups and prepare to
have some major fun.  Well worth your time and $$ in my opinion.  Can't go
this time and am very sad.

arkay

>Hi everyone!!
>
>I was just wondering if anyone planned to go to the Crash Worship performance
>coming up this week?  I thought I might drop by and check it out.  I also
>would like to know what to expect at the show since I have never heard or
>seen them before.  Everytime someone mentions them on the list I was usually
>intriqued so I want to see what it's all about.
>
>Thanks,
>       Megan              Czefir



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E,

I dunno Erik.  The ONLY reason that I go to raves is to get loaded out 
of my head and to prey on young, sweet, unsuspecting pieces-of-tail....

PLUR,
D.

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J,

Why do the corporate sponsorship thing for Burger King?  Are they paying 
you to wear it?  

Be Cool.  Make your own.  

D.


Jonathan Mark Logan wrote:
> 
> orbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbital
> 
> good stuff
> 
> I can't wait.
> 
> will be there tonite, perhaps in my burger king crown if I can find one
> (my last one got thrashed after 6 months of use...)
> 
>         jon

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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Hello and good morining....  

Our server here went down @ abot 4PM - till???

I didn't get this weeks SFR list...

Could I phreeze get one fowarded?


Thanks,


"Dance with me.."

Adam
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 24 16:26:03 1996
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hello everybody-

so that i might redeem myself from my previous organizational blunders
(yosemite trip, etc) and for the love of my fellow cheese-ball ravers
(yaeh!!), i'm inviting everybody who is interested to join me and other
sfravers for a dinner on thursday!

the dinner will be on thursday night, around 8 pm at ebisu sushi on 9'th
avenue and irving in the beautiful inner sunset of san francisco.  so far,
i have several interested people.  we shall bond as a group, do iv drugs
(sorry, wrong mailing list!) and eat good food.  so, anyone who is
interested, e-mail me.  the last dinner we had here was a complete
success, and randall schwartz, the perl guru even showed up!  (no, i'm not
lying. he was there.  it was odd.)

e-mail me if you are interested in coming to dinner!

i love you all-

matt l


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ok.. i have agreed to meet up with Jess and KaySee at the entrance to the
dance floor at 9:00 sharp.
so, if anyone wants to meet more people, just come over then!
since half the list seems to be going, we should meet many new people. :)


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I have an extra ticket for tonight's show at the Fillmore.
If you're interested, call me @ 415-851-4127


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Diana Greer wrote:
> 
> E,
> 
> I dunno Erik.  The ONLY reason that I go to raves is to get loaded out
> of my head and to prey on young, sweet, unsuspecting pieces-of-tail....
> 
> PLUR,
> D.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

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Scott Nelson - drenalin@salinas.net
SalinasNet - admin@salinas.net          http://www.salinas.net
The Web Works - webworks@ultima.org 
                               http://www.ultima.org/WebWorks/
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:10:07 -0800
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Subject: for sale 1200's

For sale:  2 Technics SL 1200 turntables with, dustcover, needels and cartridges
           1 gemini pmx-15a mixer

total price $750 or best offer

I live in Portland, Oregon.

thanks,
Derek


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The Burger King crown is my trademark.  I haven't gone to a single
underground without one....  it's a good way of helping people remember
me.  And no, I don't eat hamburgers, or beef, or animal meat for that
matter (okay, I'm lying, I eat chicken once in a while.  Tastes like
chicken!  YOu should try it).

		jon	



On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Diana Greer wrote:

> J,
> 
> Why do the corporate sponsorship thing for Burger King?  Are they paying 
> you to wear it?  
> 
> Be Cool.  Make your own.  
> 
> D.
> 
> 
> Jonathan Mark Logan wrote:
> > 
> > orbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbital
> > 
> > good stuff
> > 
> > I can't wait.
> > 
> > will be there tonite, perhaps in my burger king crown if I can find one
> > (my last one got thrashed after 6 months of use...)
> > 
> >         jon
> 


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hello all-

eric petersen just very nicely informed me that there is a BBQ and BEATS
planning meeting on thursday.  thus, i am deciding to push this back a
full week.  i encourage everyone interested to go to this meeting, and we
can have dinner another night.

thanks!

love-

matt l


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>The Burger King crown is my trademark.  I haven't gone to a single
>underground without one....  it's a good way of helping people remember
>me.  And no, I don't eat hamburgers, or beef, or animal meat for that
>matter (okay, I'm lying, I eat chicken once in a while.  Tastes like
>chicken!  YOu should try it).

chicken? yucky. i have never eaten meat, and never will.

"Eat People, Not Animals"


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>The Burger King crown is my trademark.  I haven't gone to a single
>underground without one....  it's a good way of helping people remember
>me.  And no, I don't eat hamburgers, or beef, or animal meat for that
>matter (okay, I'm lying, I eat chicken once in a while.  Tastes like
>chicken!  YOu should try it).
>
>                jon
>
It's an excellent identifier, too!  That's how I spotted da man at several
soirees already!

:)  - E



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Hmm.. Maybe I will check that out with my friend forrest.. First rave thing
I have done since I got here.

Okay, here is the deal.. I will be wearing my massive jacket.  Easy enough
to find me because I will be the only one with a massive jacket..  So if I
am not there cause I am late or what not.. just look out.. I am friendly,
and have no problem with people who I don't know introduce themselves to
me.

SanFran, fun to be here.  Great place..

A little about myself for you kids in Sfrave world.

My name is john, I am from milwaukee.  While I was living in milwaukee (20
years of my life) I got pretty into the midwest rave scene.  Well most of
you will probably go, "pfft, midwest!", but as some of you transplants
know.. the midwest scene is strong and continuously growing.

Milwaukee wasn't a bad place to be.. I mean, shit, Gabber calls milwaukee
home, as well as Drop Bass records, and Massive Magazine.  You have Chicago
2 hours south which is the birthplace of house music and the home of many
famous house labels.  About 6 hours East and around lake michigan you have
Detroit, do I have to say much more.  So I was in the thick of the culture.
Chicago also was Jungle's third town.. Toronto being second, and
Londontown being the home.  So I guess you can see, I was pretty much in
Technoland.

Now I am here, I see a lot of different types of people, a whole new
attitude towards the music.. So forgive me if I seem a bit out of place in
your scene.. But mine was different.. and well, I got to adjust..

While I was in Milwaukee I worked very heavily on Massive Magazine.  Now
you don't know what Massive is, lets just say that it is our equivilent to
XLR8R.  We are working on issue 14 right now, and we have a circulation of
10-15,000 per issue.  The west coast was not a big distribution point for
us because we really didn't know anyone out there.  But now I am here, you
will surely see massive...   We mostly concentrated on the East Coast and
Midwest..  15,000 copies go fast believe me.

Anyways, I started as a designer there, and now I strictly on do the Jungle
section and some web page stuff.  I can't really do much since I am here
now.  Ohh well..

Anyways, there is alittle about me..  See you tonight.. and have a good time..

John aka johnsin massive..

remember jungle...

>ok.. i have agreed to meet up with Jess and KaySee at the entrance to the
>dance floor at 9:00 sharp.
>so, if anyone wants to meet more people, just come over then!
>since half the list seems to be going, we should meet many new people. :)



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The current crowns have "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" characters... 
Collector's items!


> The Burger King crown is my trademark.  I haven't gone to a single
> underground without one....  it's a good way of helping people remember
> me.  And no, I don't eat hamburgers, or beef, or animal meat for that
> matter (okay, I'm lying, I eat chicken once in a while.  Tastes like
> chicken!  YOu should try it).
> 
> 		jon	
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Diana Greer wrote:
> 
> > J,
> > 
> > Why do the corporate sponsorship thing for Burger King?  Are they paying 
> > you to wear it?  
> > 
> > Be Cool.  Make your own.  
> > 
> > D.
> > 
> > 
> > Jonathan Mark Logan wrote:
> > > 
> > > orbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbitalorbital
> > > 
> > > good stuff
> > > 
> > > I can't wait.
> > > 
> > > will be there tonite, perhaps in my burger king crown if I can find one
> > > (my last one got thrashed after 6 months of use...)
> > > 
> > >         jon
> > 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Mon Jun 24 17:37:40 1996
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Does anyone have any tips on getting to the Fillmore via BART?

Or if anyone from Berkeley is going to the show and can spare room
for one other -- I bathe regularly and will help with gas.

	Sami

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Find money and love in a San Jose club? BS! You're roommate is the one
wasting his time! You gotta grab a tube of Rogaine and read the Wall Street
Journal cover to cover. You won't find the right mate till you've made your
first your first million, and you can benchpress twice your weight. Forget
your transcendental experiences, brother, they're all a drug-induced haze.
Once you experience your first IPO, you'll know I'm right. Realize that
country music has changed a lot over the past few years, and you'll be a
much happier person. Really.

-nate

At 11:21 AM 6/24/96, Eric P. Peterson wrote:
>Hello dear friends!
>
>Seems like every time I talk about raves with my roommate, John, he comes
>to the same conclusions.  He says that if I'm not there (at a party) to
>either make money or meet women, then I'm wasting my time....
>Love,
>
>Eric



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   I want to go tonight!


    











                                                                         Jeff
(408) 842-1386

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     I have recieved much e-mail regarding my first post, including some from
the original author (I must say he has redeemed himself in my eyes).  It'
nice to know there are others out there who feel the same way I do.  Labeling
people by appearance is dangerous business and we all feel betrayed and
misunderstood when it happens to us.  I thought it would be easier to reply
to everyone at once.  You are a great group of people.  Robert- I might be
looking for a party this Sat.  but I prefer them to be indoors.  If anyone
could tell me of a party like the last Down to Earth (good party) I attended
a few weeks ago I would be very interested.  Smaller parties tend to have the
kind of atmosphere I crave.  Thanks all!
























                                                                         Jeff

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Czefir@aol.com wrote:
>I was just wondering if anyone planned to go to the Crash Worship performance
>coming up this week?  I thought I might drop by and check it out.  I also
>would like to know what to expect at the show since I have never heard or
>seen them before.

I'll be there.  What to expect...hmmm.  It's like being on another 
planet, like being plunged into the frenzied ritual of some alien 
techno-primitive culture from the pages of Heavy Metal.  Imagine the 
savage rites of pre-Christian Europe times an underground voodoo 
celebration plus strobe lights, fog machines, and 10,000 watts of 
electric noise.  Something like that, anyway.

anarch@scruznet.com

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> e-mail me if you are interested in coming to dinner!

See, it's stuff like this that I miss so much about being here in Sacto 
til I graduate.  I tell ya, I dream about living there every day!

This time next year, Matt won't be the only person on sfraves issuing 
dinner invitations! :)

love,
Amy

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Wouldn't ya know it.  I've been extremely curious about seeing Crash 
Worship, and they have to go and play on a weekday. :(:(
I guess it wasn't meant to happen this time around.

love,
Amy

|   _  ,/|    |
|  '\`o O'    |
|   =(_^_)=   |         Amy Starkey
|     |U|     |         sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu
|     | |     |      
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I'm going to crash worship!. 
 
I've heard nothin' but FUCKIN' AWESOME reviews about this band.   They have
a HELL of a reputation at Mardi Gras. 
 
I've never seen their "SHOW", but.... 
 
Last time I was down to Mardi Gras, their show was cancelled by the police
so they proceded to protest by leading a sort of "Running of the Bull"
through the crowded streets of Mardi Gras. 
 
I'll never forget... I was standing on the corner of the Decatur district
and before I know what the hall was going on... I was flattened and almost
run over by a   stampede of fire jugglers, flame throwers and other various
wild costumed individuals parading a chariot which held a mockery of the
mardi gras princess.  He/She was less than appealing... I might add. 
 
Police on foot and horse proceded to chase the growing stampede of Crash
Worship fans and random followers who thought it might be fun to join the
primal race... until finally it ended in a large chaotic celebration of
drumming, performing, yelling, etc. 
 
My friends and I will never forget that!  And I'm goin' tomorrow... 
Anyone want to come with me? 
 
 
--erik  415-337-6666

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> On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Terry Huntington wrote:
> 
> > THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE 1991,  IT IS NOTHING NEW.  JOCKS AND
> > DRUGGIES AND GANGSTAS HAVE BEEN INVADING ON THE RAVE SCENE SINCE IT
> > STARTED.  BUT DO NOT WORRY IT COMES IN WAVES.  IF YOU DO WHAT YOU LOVE AND
> > STICK WITH IT THEN IT WILL PAY OFF.
> > 


Hi all!

 Just my 2 cents here; Raves are essientially public events. Get used to 
dealing with the public; it is the real world in which we live in. I 
would think that if raves got so exclusive (like a country club or 
republican party) that they would eventually die. Lets face it; one of 
the most appealing aspects of raves comes from other people being there. 
I know I would get bored (quickly!) if I saw the same happy smiley faces 
all the time (happy but bored). I thrive on the challenges in life and 
one of the biggest challenges is (for me) getting along with those who 
are disagreeable to me (for whatever reasons).

 Many of those that some have mentioned as disagreeable (jocks, druggies) 
have some very loveable, endearing qualities. The challenge I take is to 
draw those qualities out of them. Sometimes the best way is by setting an 
example of acceptance and friendly, loving vibes.

 Of course sometimes problems arise when people try to take advantage; 
this why knowing your personal boundries is good.

 I'm sorry if I sound kinda preachy and I don't mean to sound like these 
issues are easy for me. I struggle plenty with rude, inconsiderate folks. 
I just try to learn and gain from any situation I'm in. Sometimes it 
works and sometimes it don't.

Peace out

Ran

            ( and on the eigth day God created the beat )
                            /
                      -=*=-/
                        ~

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Hey this here's an apb to see if our own Sam Good (those who know him 
love him!) has yet subscribed to sfraves now that he's *actually* 
gotten himself an email account!


Love,
Shawna

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Hiya All;

	Wuz up, does anyone have a clue with regard to Crash Worship details; 
time, place, ticket info ...etc, thanks & make it public.

Peace
THX1138

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Hey Eric;

	What's an IPO?

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>	Wuz up, does anyone have a clue with regard to Crash Worship details;
>time, place, ticket info ...etc, thanks & make it public.

Tonight!  (Tuesday)  At the Trocadero in SF, $10.  Open at 8, I think.
"Flossie and the Unicorns" and "Quintron the Amazing Spellcaster" to open.
I've never heard of them either.

anarch@scruznet.com



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Actually, I'm not sure if this is a weekly or an every-other weekly, but
it's definitely new, and happening tonight (Tues).  Speakeasy, at the Coco
Club, 139 8th St, off Market.  Shannon, John Howard, Mark Farina, more?  I
haven't been, but I understand they need a show of support to keep the gig
alive in the eyes of the management, so if you want to help the scene, drop
by and check it out.

anarch@scruznet.com



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the fillmore is gonna need to get rebuilt..

        'cause underworld rocked the fucking house down.



ohmigod. =)


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 08:11:13 1996
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Cybertribe,

Hi, my name is Marshal Villarosa, but most people know me as Mars.  I 
live in New Jersey about 30 minutes from Manhattan, but I've been out to 
the Bay Area twice in the last two months.  The first time was to spin at 
a party called Lucky Charms that the Bagok Tribe threw, the second time 
was for a business meeting with Pacifc Bell (but got to check out a party 
at People's Park in Berkley and "Dune" put on by Funky Tekno Tribe in 
Oakland).

I'm a systems engineer by day for Lucent Technologies, one of AT&T's 
spinoff companies.  By night, I'm a DJ and rave promoter and have been in 
the rave scene on the East Coast since the Spring of 1992 (Stormrave of 
Brooklyn & Catastrophic of DC).  I've been heavily involved with the 
NE-Raves and NYC-Raves e-mail lists, and I think I know a couple of you 
who used to be out in the NYC area.  I've been DJing since 1990 and spin 
trance which I have just started producing as well.

I love the San Fran vibe, though, and it's been influencing my musical 
tastes and changed my concept of what the rave scene could be like (the 
Organic Party I went to in Golden Gate Park).  I've met some awesome 
people out there, and have really wanted to see them again.  So, with 
that said, I'll be in San Fran this weekend, from Thursday night to 
Sunday night.  I'd love to meet, dance, and share the vibe with you.  
Send me some mail on how we could do that!

Peace, love, and Unity,
DJ Mars - NJ Underground

=] Keep your smile smilin'!!! =]

mailto:mars@hyperreal.com
mailto:xmars@haven.ios.com
http://haven.ios.com/~xmars/
http://hyperreal.com/~mars/

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Subject: Crash  Worship (tix?)
Date: 25 Jun 1996 16:40:33 GMT
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Ok I really REALLY want to go now......


Are Tix being sold @ the door???


Are any of the Hyperreal bunch going to meet B-4 the concert???


Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!



"Dance with me"

-Adam

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 09:19:35 1996
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I wish I'd stuck around for Underworld, but I had to work this morning! 
But Orbital WAS the group I went to see and they were quite impressive.
Dealing the crowd a fine mixture of old and new material they rode
break-beat dragon for what seemed like hours, only letting the energy drop
between songs (which I didn't really like). Kudos to the crowd- I was so
happy to see so many smiling faces on a Monday! 
*sigh* the only drawback was the sound- definately muddled at points and
sometimes lacking the ribcage-rattling bass I crave. But otherwise a fine
Monday night!

-Alex


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Anyone have a phone number for Tribal Funk? There wasn't one posted on
the calendar last week.

Thanx,
-G-

P.S. I'm eagerly anticipating Underworld / Orb reviews...

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Alex-

 My original intention was to also see Orbital.  I figured that Underworld 
would just be an added bonus.  I have since been converted!  Underworld played 
some of the greatest music I've ever heard.  It did seem like alot of people 
left after Orbital played, but for those who stuck around, Underworld was 
top-notch.

-Todd

PS- Work is much more interesting when you have partied all night long, not 
slept at all, and you begin to listen to your Orbital and Underworld CD's with 
a large grin on your face!!!


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Todd- I've never met you, but I can imagine a smile like that that I've had
on my face many a morning. I wish I'd stuck around.


On 25 Jun 1996, Todd Manley/Santa Clara/HDS wrote:

> Alex-
> 
>  My original intention was to also see Orbital.  I figured that Underworld 
> would just be an added bonus.  I have since been converted!  Underworld played 
> some of the greatest music I've ever heard.  It did seem like alot of people 
> left after Orbital played, but for those who stuck around, Underworld was 
> top-notch.
> 
> -Todd
> 
> PS- Work is much more interesting when you have partied all night long, not 
> slept at all, and you begin to listen to your Orbital and Underworld CD's with 
> a large grin on your face!!!
> 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 11:01:01 1996
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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Reassurance, anyone?
To: "Eric P. Peterson" <epaul@Synopsys.COM>
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Good Day Eric,

There is more to life than making money and chasing babes. When the money
runs out and 
the woman leaves you, what do you have left? Yourself and your friends; and
if you've been
good to yourself and them, you are still rich beyond your wildest dreams. 

Take Care,
                    Jason

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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
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mmwwrraaa!  thpt..thpt..    Much better.

Sorry about that; I seemed to have put my foot in my mouth again. It
happens from time to time while typing in the wee hours of the morning. I
considered the sarcasm angle. But after reading though the message a second
time, I decided to post a reply conveying my exhaustion inspired thoughts
on the subject anyway, feeling uncharacteristically serious last night.
Knowing that if my perceptions were off, I could always plead stress
induced insomnia. Should have known, with a handle like "Black Adder", it
had to be offbeat humor.


Take Care,
                   Jason

P.S. I'll look for the "   :-)  " in the future. 

>You know, I knew I should have put the following disclaimer when I posted 
my comment about Burning Man:

>For the humor-impaired: The above was a *JOKE* I had what can only be 
described as a transendental experience at >Burning Man, and look  very,
very, very, very, very, very(you get the point) forward to going again.

                                      Black Adder

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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: sunset
To: "roger kumar" <rkumar@umr.edu>
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Roger Kumar wrote:

>  Then another cop started babbling how he was around in the sixties', and
 how they had >free concerts at Haight, and how we should get some
corporate  sponsorship, and how there >was never going to be a Rave Party
without  E.

How can we get it through these people's heads that we don't need or desire
"CORPORATE
sponsorship". This could only bring upon a distortion of what underground
free events have
always epitomized. That if somehow, we took advertiser's money, all would
be licit. As for his
drug reference, I don't believe that E is required to have a good time. The
experience is
what you put into it, not what you ingest. I haven't any fantasies about a
drug free rave 
scene, but I'm tired of people thinking that raves exist for the purpose of
using drugs. Most 
are there to dance and meet people. I think the music and the positive
energy stand on their
own as a creative entity. And we have all seen the effects commercialism
has had on creative 
expression; and it isn't often honorable. 

Be kind to those around you,
                                           Jason

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 11:04:21 1996
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Last night I headed into sf with justin and sami, all prepared to see
Orbital and Underworld with the tickets I won from the cool people at
KALX. We arrived at the fillmore, picked up the tickets and some free
apples, and headed for the dancefloor. A DJ who i didn't recognize was
spinning and a handful of people were dancing, but this being my first
big party in a long long time, i was not concentrating on his set at all.
After adjusting to the space, we met up with some other sfravers..
brandon, christy?, jess, kaySee, nancy.. i'm really bad with names. we 
headed back into the dance area as orbital was preparing to go on. I 
thought Orbital were pretty great untiul I saw them live. Now I
consider them demi-gods. Last night they delivered an absolutely perfect 
set, with the same style of breaks and melodies that that I fell in love 
with several years ago. Orbital still influences a lot of the stuff we 
write and play, and seeing them live with cool projectors and decent 
intelligent lighting was a total trip. I was entirely taken by this band, 
and probably at times forgot to dance, which was ok, because every once 
in a while the club gods would draw near and dance very aggresively and 
break me out of my little trance. Sometimes they would leave to go get a 
drink, but they would make sure to leave their girlfriends behind. "hey, 
see that guy chillin to Orbital? go dance really really close to him". 
but even that was ok, because i was near several list people, who were 
very kind. After Orbital and their encore, justin and i went upstairs, 
got a coffee, and listened to me live ambient performance already in 
progress. of course, like so many other parties, you could hear the bass 
of the main room, but it was ok, i'm used to that now. We made it back 
down right in time for underworld's set and found the other net people 
again. underworld began with intense beats, and everyone was totally 
going wild. but there were way too many people too close to me, and the 
sound was too loud (wasn't smart enough to bring earplugs and they 
weren't smart enough to turn it down a notch, my ears _still_ hurt). i 
couldn't get into their set right away, i suppose i was still in love 
with orbital. someone forgot to hit the 'data screen' button on the sony 
vtr. but after about an hour-and-a-half(?) people started to drift away 
and i had more room and got sucked in to the set and danced and danced 
until after the encore and i was very tired and had to work and headed 
back to berkeley with justin. 

i've been going to one-two parties a day lately, and am totally in love 
with the bay area again. i wish i never had to leave. thanks to all the 
people i've met, those on the list, those who throw parties on the beach, 
those who let me spin records at their parties on the beach, those 
incredible sunsets, and those whose names i always forget. now i'm ready 
for work, and maybe (hopefully) i will see you all the crash worship 
show tonight. 

-- 
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    _l				 rkumar@lbl.gov        rkumar@umr.edu


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On Jun 24,  5:03pm, Wumpus 99 wrote:
> Subject: Re: yawoohoo!
> >The Burger King crown is my trademark.  I haven't gone to a single
> >underground without one....  it's a good way of helping people remember
> >me.  And no, I don't eat hamburgers, or beef, or animal meat for that
> >matter (okay, I'm lying, I eat chicken once in a while.  Tastes like
> >chicken!  YOu should try it).
>
> chicken? yucky. i have never eaten meat, and never will.
>
> "Eat People, Not Animals"
>-- End of excerpt from Wumpus 99

And I was so surprised to see that McDonald's now carries the figures from
the movie "Babe" with its happymeals. Now "Babe" is essentially trying to
tell us that pigs are cute and perhaps we shouldn't kill them like flies.
I guess McDonalds thought, well they didn't have any cows in the movie
so nobody will probably get make the connection that we are selling
dead cows with a cute little piggy. Even more amazing is that apparently
the people who made the movie (and made sure that all pigs involved live
happily ever after) gave them the rights to use the pictures main characters
as advertisement material...

A bewildered,

Frying Dutchman (not even a vegetarian)

P.S. And don't get me started on the ads by Tylenol where people, one day
after knee surgery, are back in the gym, taking pain killers in order to
silence there apparently protesting body. Or buy huge sausages and peppers
and take some mylanta, or whatever, in advance since they already know
that their stomach will upset. Weird...


-- 


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HELP

 I posted a week ago that I needed to find a room for rent,well the need is even
greater now. I have to find a place within the next month or two. I am going to
crash at a friends for right now but it only temporary.

I work in San Jose and willing to live anywhere in the area. I am 23 looking
for someone that is responsible but yet likes to party and have a good time.
I have a steady job and open to anything. As I said before I have been out of 
the scene and I want to come back. If anyone has anything or any ideas please
let me know.You can email me privatly.

Thanx,
nikki
;0}


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> Date:         Thu, 31 Mar 1994 03:01:47 -0500
> From: Derek Tiffany <TIFFANYDE@URVAX.URICH.EDU>
> Subject:      Re: you know you're a REAL raver when....
> 
> >***YOU KNOW WHEN YOURE A REAL RAVER WHEN***
> >(apoligies to david letterman...in no particular order)
> >
> >10. you have sleeping patterns that would kill normal human beings
> >
> >9. you start coveting all of your dad's old 1977 polyester sweatsuits
> >
> >8. almost every letter of the alphabet has an alternate meaning to you
> >
> >7. you begin to think of blow-pops as a seperate food group
> >
> >6. you cant see your shoes
> >
> >5. the mere mention of a 3 digit number with a "0" int the middle of it
> >   causes you to drool uncontrolably
> >
> >4. the odometer of your car increases in big chunks over the weekend
> >
> >3. you get an evil grin every time you see commercials for "E: the
>  entertainment
> >      network"
> >
> >2. you have to fight back the urge to beat the hell out everyone who thinks
> >   raves are like the club scene in "basic instinct"
> >
> >1. you can keep a straight face when you tell people "really, not that many
> >   people are on anything....im serious!"
> 
> Hey...Jason, you little schmuck...you stole my idea!  ah well, here are
> my personal additions...
> 
> 10. you are happy when there's a recession because it means more empty
>     warehouses
> 
> 9.  food, water, air, Vick's...all are about of equal importance
> 
> 8.  you can live for an entire weekend out of your bookbag
> 
> 7.  you are no longer just a raver...but a promoter, vendor, DJ, etc...
> 
> 6.  you know about the INFORMATION POLICE
> 
> 5.  you're white and have dreads
> 
> 4.  you have trouble naming 5 friends who are not pierced SOMEWHERE
> 
> 3.  you'll pay $20 for a ticket to an event that may very well not happen...
>     and you'll pay $30 for a pill that may very well be asprin...but you
>     WILL NOT pay $0.25 for that big glass of water!
> 
> 2.  you can't pass an empty warehouse, church, school, big open field, barn,
>     airplane hanger, phone booth, nuclear power plant, etc...without getting
>     that far-off look in your eye and saying...'wow, what a great site for
>     a ...'
> 
> 1.  and even then you're not a TRUE RAVER...because no one but myself
>     can possibly THINK about calling themselves a TRUE RAVER!
> 
> later days and sunny rays,
> -----------------------+---------------------------+-------------------------
> Derek Tiffany          | TIFFaNydE@urvax.urich.edu | This space for rent
> University of Richmond | djt0u@aurora.urich.edu    |<= djt{zero}u@aurora...
> -----------------------+---------------------------+-------------------------
> or just plain derek if you prefer
> 
> 
> 
> 



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>>For the humor-impaired: The above was a *JOKE* I had what can only be
>described as a transendental experience at >Burning Man, and look  very,
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think you meant "trans-accidental" didn't you, Mr. "I'm riding my
motorcyle on this playa if it kills me!"  :^)

See ya there!!

TR

P.S.  Word is the rave groups are working together, with BM organizers, and
will have a strategic set-up in a circle, 2 miles from central camp, with
the louder systems pointing away from CC.



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Thought someone might be interested in working for a cool Berkeley software
company.  Here's the URL:

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Xinet currently has several positions avaialable. All positions are full
time, and include full benifits (good PPO insurance, 401k, profit sharing,
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[ to sfraves and Will Penna ]

 Will those who aren't going to Crash Worship tonight be checking out 
Astral Matrix in Santa Cruz tonight? I'm halfway thinking of going ,
but my back is giving me some pains , so I can't promise to show up.

 Astral Matrix is appearing as part of a weekly called "The Deep" at 
the Palookaville club. I've heard mostly positive things about Palookaville,
and I've been curious about going to their weekly "rave" event.

 Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com
 
> 
> Tuesday June 25 The SC Family presents:
> 
>       ASTRAL MATRIX (live PA)
> 
>       DJs Capricorn and Chris
> 
> The Deep 
> Palookaville 1133 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz
> 9pm-1:30am
> All Ages
> $5 cover
> (408) 425-3316
> 

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>And I was so surprised to see that McDonald's now carries the figures from
>the movie "Babe" with its happymeals. Now "Babe" is essentially trying to
>tell us that pigs are cute and perhaps we shouldn't kill them like flies.
>I guess McDonalds thought, well they didn't have any cows in the movie
>so nobody will probably get make the connection that we are selling
>dead cows with a cute little piggy. Even more amazing is that apparently

cows? When I was a wee lad in the early 80's I refused to eat McDonalds
because I thought they made those burgers out of kangaroos.



poor little kangaroos.


=(

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Almost forgot! I'd like to know what the list thought of the 2 Junglish
songs Orbital played- sorry, I don't know the names of the songs. Also, did
Orbital seem especially dark last night? a couple songs scared the shit out
of me! ( not that I didn't enjoy them...)
-Alex


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At 12:15 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>And I was so surprised to see that McDonald's now carries the figures from
>>the movie "Babe" with its happymeals. Now "Babe" is essentially trying to
>>tell us that pigs are cute and perhaps we shouldn't kill them like flies.
>>I guess McDonalds thought, well they didn't have any cows in the movie
>>so nobody will probably get make the connection that we are selling
>>dead cows with a cute little piggy. Even more amazing is that apparently

>
>
Actually, in the 80's they had the McRib, and they re-release it
periodically. I believe that is pork. Therefore, they may not release that
sandwich again (yeah, right.) 



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From: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>
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You wake up, it's Monday morning and you are really bummed that reality 
has to set in again.  Damn, you live for the weekends.  Oh well, you make 
the daily trek to your lab.  Hmm... Some exciting stuff, you might get to 
mentor a high school student.  Hmm...cool.  Regular day but, there's 
something different in the air.

The afternoon comes, your friends are calling you at work to find a place 
to meet you at the show.  You sense the anticipation, the excitement, hmm...
You go to your 7 pm meeting, leave early, fight over the car with your 
sister, eat bad food because you can't cook.  Hmm...coffee sounds good 
about now.  You leave the apartment, get gas, think about how dangerous 
your car is getting because you are too lazy to get it fixed.  (Besides, 
you know you should be able to do it yourself!)  Then you are crossing 
the Bay Bridge and watching an 8:30 sunset.  Cool, three sunsets in three 
days; can't beat that.

You look for parking on Geary, oops, missed the turn off.  You find 
parking, just in time to meet your friends at 9 pm at the Fillmore.  Yay, 
said friends are in place.  Plus, added bonus, you meet two new sfravers
(hi Roger and Justin).  Cool dj is spinnning.  Everyone groups up and you 
go to the dance floor to find the right space.  Space is very important 
to you, you need dancing room and a place to hang out!  Said space is 
found.  Orbital comes on.  Wow, ohmigod, this is awesome.  The dance 
floor is packed.  People are sweaty, people are groovin', funky guys are 
on stage with lights on their heads that look like eyes.  The dance floor 
is packed, hot, slick with sweat.

The lights are amazing.  Circular beams of blue and white light look like 
Close Encounters of the Third Kind.  Then the spot lights cease and 
yellow lights are aimed at a giant disco ball that transforms into a 
psychedelic sun.

You're with your best fiends, new friends, boyfriend, and all of them are 
smiling.  What more could you ask for?  Then, Orbital is finished.  The 
two smiling, groovin' guys on stage who entrance the crowd say farewell.  
The floor clears, black lights come on.  A dj spins trance.  You love the 
fact that the frequency has hit your bpm level and you now have room to 
really groove.  You leave the dance floor for 2.2 seconds to grab a 
little bit of water and continue groovin'

Then, the crowd returns to see three of the coolest guys ever.  
Underworld arrives and knocks your socks off.  You can't stop dancing.  
The band is so into it that they are bouncing around the stage.  You are 
going crazy.  The peace pipe is passed around to everyone within a 20 
foot radius.  God, people are so beautiful, you think.  Your body is 
sufficiently groovin' to some fast bpm, your mind is caught in the music, 
THEN, the *wicked* smile comes.  Why, do you ask, is it wicked?   Well, 
you have now reached this stage where a mere smile won't do, it is time 
to dawn the *wicked* grin; the epitome of brilliance, of bliss, of harmony, 
of life.  Besides, you feel so naughty for having such a wicked time, 
that the wicked smile takes on a life of it's own. 

The lights are crazy, best light show you've ever seen.  The crowd is 
amazing; this is the friendliest, most down-to-earth concert you've ever 
been to.  You don't want this to ever stop, your friends are in 
agreement.  You're holding hands, hugging, where am I again?  Underworld 
doesn't want to stop either, they are having what seems to be the time of 
their life.  They are true professionals at this and know how to work the 
crowd.  Hmm, they've done this before.  You ponder the thought that the 
U.S. invents some music, the U.K. perfects it, and then we finally get 
the idea.  Hmm, happened to rock, punk rock, and now this!!

Underworld stops, but aren't difficult to coax back on for an encore.  
They look so happy it's catching.  You are dancing, knowing these are the 
fleeting moments, when someone grabs your hand.  All of a sudden you are 
a part of a huge circle that has formed in the middle of the dance 
floor.  Everyone is smiling, a few wicked grins are afloat, and then the 
climax comes.  Hugs envelope the dance floor.  It is over.  You say 
goodbye.  You drive home.

On the way, you ask yourself,  "THIS was Monday?"  

You wake up Tuesday, a bit tired, but in a sheer state of bliss.  Then, 
you remember you're going to Crash Worship on Tuesday.  What's going on 
here, it is only the *beginning* of this week.  You're scared to see the 
end of the week!!!  Insane, absolutely insane.

--KaySEE


              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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I won't repeat the reviews of the show (it was great), but I did
want to mention that the Fillmore is a *great* venue.  The sound
was good (the bass *hit* rather than swelled -- I hate it when
it just swells at you).

There was *free* SELF-SERVE water.  Meaning, a pitcher which the
bartenders would frequently refill, and little paper cups.

And there was a tub of fresh *free* APPLES, for crying out loud.

I ate one and it was good.

	Sami

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At 12:51 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>"Chooommmmp"
>
>-troy
>
>obsucre marketing reference need not make sense.
>
        when i was a kid, I lived on a farm. We had 2 sheep (named Laverne &
Shirley - it was the 70's)that had lotsa offspring and lotsa chickens. I
loved 'em. Charlottes web was one of my favorite books. But when it was
dinnertime, the lamb and chicken sure tasted good. 
        What I'm saying is: as a little kid, If you are only a few years
old, the concept of death is not really understood yet. Mcdonalds knows
that, and the can market Babe with the happy meal which has all of babe's
dead friends in it. (speak -o- the devil- the commercial for Icky-D's just
aired on the TV.)
        I am a vegetarian, however not a vegetarian because of what is
morally right (one could say that a plant has as much right and need for
life as an animal due to its alkaloids and other defense systems that it
develops to stay alive). I'm a vegetarian because of the unsanitary way the
meat is raised, not to mention a family histor of colon cancer. And seeing
McDonalds selling burgers for $0.39 makes you wonder.  BUT - It would be
nice if parents would let their kids know that what McDonalds is doing is
not right. 


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Yep,

The Junglish songs are from the new album. I'm not familiar with the names
of them yet...maybe tomorrow. The new stuff is darker, moodier and more
"cinematic" in general.
I particulary like the tune on it that sounds like it's inspired by Ennio
Morricone.
At one stage i thought they sounded really industrial, especially when they
played "Satan" .
I was reminded of the Trocadero  where I went to see the Chemical brothers
on Friday, and there's no competition;  last nights shows at the Fillmore
won, no contest
And of course, "Halcyon and on and on..." was a beautiful finish.


Ciaran


i 

At 12:21 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Almost forgot! I'd like to know what the list thought of the 2 Junglish
>songs Orbital played- sorry, I don't know the names of the songs. Also, did
>Orbital seem especially dark last night? a couple songs scared the shit out
>of me! ( not that I didn't enjoy them...)
>-Alex
>
>
>


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From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp)
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> 
> At 12:15 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >>And I was so surprised to see that McDonald's now carries the figures from
> >>the movie "Babe" with its happymeals. Now "Babe" is essentially trying to
> >>tell us that pigs are cute and perhaps we shouldn't kill them like flies.
> >>I guess McDonalds thought, well they didn't have any cows in the movie
> >>so nobody will probably get make the connection that we are selling
> >>dead cows with a cute little piggy. Even more amazing is that apparently
> 
> >
> >
> Actually, in the 80's they had the McRib, and they re-release it
> periodically. I believe that is pork. Therefore, they may not release that
> sandwich again (yeah, right.) 
> 

Of course, there is the sausage they serve for breakfast, I can't
remember if they have any burgers with bacon.  The beauty of not
killing your own meat is never having to make such associations.

And I don't think McDonalds is trying to tell us anything by selling
cute little pig toys other than "We want more of you money"

Tim

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Hello all you happy campers!  Fourth of July weekend July 5th-7th there will
be a Light Gathering in the woods.  The drive is 2 1/2 hrs away.  (Just north
of Placerville off of Hwy. 50)   Activities include -  hiking, swimming in
the nearby lake, dancing, mountain biking, games, relaxing, and getting in
touch with mother earth.  There will be breakfast served on Saturday and
Sunday morning and a common cooking area. The area is remote and beautiful.  

The line-up includes - John Carel, Minor Minor, Monty, James Dee, Ethan,
Erika, Sean Murray, Alex, Joe Rice, and Andrew.  Ambient Sounds with
Consciousness Lab Collective, Rob, and Claire. Friday night groove out  and
Saturday night groove out harder with the daytime reserved mostly for rest
and play. Please call 415.536.9453 for ticket info. $15 If you would like to
offer a ride to this event or need a ride please e-mail Claire at
Clarityi@aol.com and title the subject   "Light Ride" or "need Light Ride".
 Thank You.  Enjoy Summer while it's here!   
                                                                       Feel
It - Love
                                                                   -Gateway
Systems 

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Dearest Kind Eric,

God forbid you strapping young bucks go out and 
get laid when you could be spiritualizing with
adolescents.

Try spending time with people your own age who have
similar interests.  Perhaps a gardening club, or floor
hockey team?

Dave


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I will be at crash worship.  Please don't throw stuff at me.
Are they one of these, ahem, _messy_ bands?

Dave

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I've heard this is very nice.  Purposely kept a little
too "lowkey" to make it I guess.

chi chi deep house in a red room.
Dave

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ANNOUNCEMENT:

first planning meeting of the GGMLSR
(golden gate malt liquor soccer rave)

is Tonight at the "bayside" bar.  For those
of you familiar with lasers - this IS the bar
that projects there name with a blue laser onto the sidewalk
out on the street.  They also have Very Large murals of
muscular women playing volleyball.

I'm interested in getting those giant inflatible
cartoon characters they use in parades.  Any suggestions?
One could feasibly modify them to carry psychedelic
lighting on board.

Just bagged PE for a second stage live performance
and picked up Shmidt STick skateboards as another
sponsor.

Also note - $2 spaghetti dinner tent.

Everyone going to Crash Worship should bring
sliced oranges.  Please throw them at the band
if they play an encore.

Dave



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hey hey hey.....

sutt sut writing to say hi. i haven't seen most of you guys out since basics.
well, i'm heading out to fusion this friday nite. i was wondreing who else
will be attending. i hope to see you all out this wekeend. if not...keep
your eyes out for me (and the rite front speaker family tent =) ) at freedom.

if you need any infor on fusion..or would like to meet up...just email me.

*hugs*

sarvi
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                         RIGHT FRONT SPEAKER FAMILY

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 14:08:05 1996
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does the troc let in fire breathers?

dave

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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote:

> 
> >>For the humor-impaired: The above was a *JOKE* I had what can only be
> >described as a transendental experience at >Burning Man, and look  very,
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I think you meant "trans-accidental" didn't you, Mr. "I'm riding my
> motorcyle on this playa if it kills me!"  :^)
     
   Oh,  not that it was fun falling off the damn thing;). Man, did we 
appreciate the hot springs after that. Warning: Folks, don't try this at BM.
                                          Reagan



> 
> See ya there!!
> 
> TR
> 
> P.S.  Word is the rave groups are working together, with BM organizers, and
> will have a strategic set-up in a circle, 2 miles from central camp, with
> the louder systems pointing away from CC.
> 
> 
> 

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Dear dave, 

fire-eaters make fucking bank.
I believe they are totally out of this Crash Worship
bands league.

Dave

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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote:

> 
> >>For the humor-impaired: The above was a *JOKE* I had what can only be
> >described as a transendental experience at >Burning Man, and look  very,
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> I think you meant "trans-accidental" didn't you, Mr. "I'm riding my
> motorcyle on this playa if it kills me!"  :^)

I did ride my motorcycle on the playa. And I am still alive... and except 
for the bruises and slightly twisted remains of my yet-to-be resurrected 
bike, everything went very well... ;-)

                                        Black Adder


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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Ronald Knegtel wrote:

> And I was so surprised to see that McDonald's now carries the figures from
> the movie "Babe" with its happymeals. Now "Babe" is essentially trying to
> tell us that pigs are cute and perhaps we shouldn't kill them like flies.
> I guess McDonalds thought, well they didn't have any cows in the movie
> so nobody will probably get make the connection that we are selling
> dead cows with a cute little piggy. Even more amazing is that apparently
> the people who made the movie (and made sure that all pigs involved live
> happily ever after) gave them the rights to use the pictures main characters
> as advertisement material...

How about the BABEcon and cheese hamburger... 

Oi.

                                Black Adder
                                (an unrepentant flesh eater)



                                     

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well.. went to the show last night with jess, kristi (not on the list),
kirsten, john (kirsten's bfriend), nancy, and two of nancy's friends who's
names i have forgotten. :(
met up with rog and justin, who recognized my glowsticks. i was the only one
there with them! i think i saw a head way above the crowd that i assumed was
todd, but i didn't make it over to say hi.. and i got briefly introduced to
umm.. [name forgotten already] the man with the burger king hat - without
the burger king hat. met up with my pal forrest, and john drefahl (who is
new to the list).

the only negative thing: i offered this big dude my glowsticks to play with,
and he ripped the strings off and chucked one of the glowsticks somewhere
into the crowd! :( a real bummer because after he did that i realized that i
wanted to give them to karl (of underworld) on stage, cause he was going
crazy and looked like he would have loved them. (a little anecdote here: my
friend went to feile in ireland last summer and saw underworld there. he
threw his hat up on stage and karl picked it up and wore it for the whole
performance. =) 

anyway.. spacetime continuum didn't play live - jonah just spun. orbital
came on and played a great set, certainly better than the last time i heard
them in toronto. they stopped between songs, which they hadn't done the last
time. that kind of dissapointed me. but they made up for it with some huge
tunes. i haven't heard the whole album yet, because i bought it on vinyl,
with the assumption that i would have a record player soon - but don't yet.
:p   anyway.. the one song that starts of with the father talking to the son
and saying "and next time you see your mother, say hello to SATAN SATAN
SATAN SATAN... etc..   was IMMENSE! orbital has done a great job with their
video - the video for that song was especially sick. they finished off the
set beautifully - i had really wanted them to play Belfast, but i guess it's
good they didn't because i would have died and missed...

Underworld! Now, my friend came back from europe and said underworld was the
best live act he had ever seen. now i can happily concur. they are simply
amazing. absolutely beautiful mixing and improvisation - but i of course
expected that from the band that once played a 13 hour set. when they
started off i was a little dissapointed in their sound. it didn't seem very
interesting to me. of course, when i realized i should take out my earplugs
i heard what they were really doing. wow! stupid earplugs took out _all_ the
high end. i couldn't hear half the music! anyway, all i can say is wow. wow.
wow. wow. if orbital are demi-gods, then underworld are gods. karl just went
nuts on stage. so much fun. they played born slippy! =)  at the end of born
slippy karl said thanks, this was their last day in america, this was the
first time they had ever been to america and we've had a fucking great time,
etc.. etc.., and said that this was their last song. they left the stage,
but the crowd was having none of that. underworld charged back on stage and
started up what sounded like it was going to be Cowgirl, but they mixed into
Rez (absolutely awesome), back into Cowgirl, and back to Rez to finish the
set. wow.

kristi and kirsten were so happy that i talked them into coming to the show.
they are now die-hard underworld converts.. =)  as i'm sure _anyone_ who
caught their set is now.
and to anyone who left after orbital: i wish i'd met you so i could have
talked you into staying for underworld. work or no work, it was the
experience of a lifetime.

brendan


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ok. is anyone else on the list as big and underworld nutter as i am? please
help me out with this.. i want to know if there is anything i'm missing of
theirs.. i have:

Dubnobasswithmyheadman (cd)
Dark&Long single (vinyl)
Dirty Epic/Cowgirl single (cd) - two new mixes of each song + rez + river of
bass
Born Slippy (cd) - does anyone know which song is nuxx and which is telematic?
song: Change (on cd)
song: Dark Hard (on cd)
Second toughest in the infants (cd)

is there anything else out there?


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>first planning meeting of the GGMLSR
>(golden gate malt liquor soccer rave)

isn't malt liquor very bad for you?

and did you know that for my 19 years in canada - i never once saw anyone
drink malt liquor. i only saw one brand of it in the liquor store, and i
swear the same bottle has been there for years.
when i first moved here, someone told me they had drank (drunk, drinken?
what _is_ the correct word, anyways??) a 40 the night before. i was suitably
impressed, because back home we always referred to a 40 as a 40oz bottle of
hard liquor - not malt liquor. i thought this guy was a serious bad-ass
hardcore drinker. it took me a little while to realize he had been talking
about malt liquor instead. =)


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aargh! someone help me! i'm in a posting frenzy!


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> 
> I will be at crash worship.  Please don't throw stuff at me.
> Are they one of these, ahem, _messy_ bands?

San Diego... naked women... carried around on a platform... painted gold...
throwing watermelon at the crowd...  don't wear suede.

-troy

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 15:21:01 1996
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From: John Deatherage <dwarzau@ns.net>
To: Wumpus 99 <erase99@sirius.com>
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> Dubnobasswithmyheadman (cd)
> Dark&Long single (vinyl)
> Dirty Epic/Cowgirl single (cd) - two new mixes of each song + rez + river of
> bass
> Born Slippy (cd) - does anyone know which song is nuxx and which is telematic?
> song: Change (on cd)
> song: Dark Hard (on cd)
> Second toughest in the infants (cd)
> 
> is there anything else out there?

Dubnosbasswithmyheadman (vinyl)
Dark & Long 1 *and* 2 (vinyl)
Cowgirl only (vinyl)
Cowgirl/Rez (vinyl)
Born Slippy (vinyl)
Second Toughest (vinyl)
new single from the new album? (forgot name) (vinyl)

plus more.. those are just the ones I know I have at home...

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 15:30:08 1996
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so...am I going to be castrated if I say I left after Orbital because I
don't really LIKE underworld?? *gasp*. heh...like I said, I wish I'd
stayed.- Alex (Waiting for conversion)


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 15:42:41 1996
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From: John Deatherage <dwarzau@ns.net>
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I remember seeing a Lemon Interrupt on Jr. Boy's Own at Primal in 
Berkeley.  I think that one of the people listed on the track was Darren 
Emerson (from Underworld), and I was wondering what else people could 
tell me about this group.  It it just Darren's side project?  I have one 
of their releases on a Twitch volume, but that's it.  On one side of the 
single it has some Harmonica, DJ Dan sounding tune, and the other side 
has some Underworld song (I think) off of Dubnobasswithmyheadman... 
anyone know anything?  Bueller?  Bueller? :)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 15:46:55 1996
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Heh.  Last time this was brought up-- in the context of McD's commercial 
for Arch Deluxe where Ronald is at a techno club, my mention of 
McDonald's evilness was met by anti-PC flames.  Good to see there are 
others who understand what this homogenous zaibastu is all about.

On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Tim Beauchamp wrote:

> remember if they have any burgers with bacon.  The beauty of not
> killing your own meat is never having to make such associations.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 15:59:19 1996
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J,

Is killing your own meat the same as auto-erotic strangulation?

(I think its obvious that I have too much time on my hands today.)
D.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 16:17:11 1996
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Ok, Ok. . . 
       Everyone be nice now. That chick on the phone was a friend of mine.
She's a nice girl. I didn't think they meant it to be pretentious like that.
But ou have to admit, thousands of people at 25$ each, I'd be pretty
pretentious too!!!


           Aryck

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 16:22:00 1996
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Think of it this way. . . would you let a blind/deaf man lead you across the
street???

Why listen to someone who has no clue what they're talking about. I know it's
your friend but until they experience what you love, they'll try to push you
to what they love. That's how it is. Someone likes what they do and they try
to get others to join in on "their" game.

       Did that help????

              Aryck

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 16:22:40 1996
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At 3:20 PM -0700 6/25/96, John Deatherage wrote:
>> Dubnobasswithmyheadman (cd)
>> Dark&Long single (vinyl)
>> Dirty Epic/Cowgirl single (cd) - two new mixes of each song + rez + river of
>> bass
>> Born Slippy (cd) - does anyone know which song is nuxx and which is
>>telematic?
>> song: Change (on cd)
>> song: Dark Hard (on cd)
>> Second toughest in the infants (cd)
>>
>> is there anything else out there?
>
>Dubnosbasswithmyheadman (vinyl)
>Dark & Long 1 *and* 2 (vinyl)
>Cowgirl only (vinyl)
>Cowgirl/Rez (vinyl)
>Born Slippy (vinyl)
>Second Toughest (vinyl)
>new single from the new album? (forgot name) (vinyl)
>
>plus more.. those are just the ones I know I have at home...

Plus the pink limited vinyl of Rez with Why Why Why on the B side and Mmmm
Skyscraper I Love You, one of their first techno singles. And of course
Underneath the Radar, an MTV smash in what, 1987? And then "Doot Doot" by
Freur, an earlier incarnation. But that's more than you probably want to
know.

I think the new single is Pearls Girl or Juanita.

I didn't stick around for much or Underworld. Too clubby in comparison to
Orbital, but it sounds like I missed out. Orbital were great as usual, and
the tracks from In Sides didn't sound bad at all.

Joe


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(:"Oh, the turntables are his instruments!"                                 :)
(:"But I can't tell what sound that record is making!"                      :)
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At 04:06 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>J,
>
>Is killing your own meat the same as auto-erotic strangulation?
>
>(I think its obvious that I have too much time on my hands today.)
>D.
>
>
I think that depends on which meat you are talking about. 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 16:34:51 1996
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C,

Why beef, of course.

;)

D.

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One giant pair of pliars please.......

At 03:29 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>so...am I going to be castrated if I say I left after Orbital because I
>don't really LIKE underworld?? *gasp*. heh...like I said, I wish I'd
>stayed.- Alex (Waiting for conversion)
>
>
>


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 16:43:10 1996
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Hi Brian, Don't know the names of the Junglish songs, but I did think the
set was alitte dark. Kinda cool though. Makes me wonder why soldiers don't
listen to Orbital when riding into battle (instead of Van Halen!).


Jon


At 12:21 PM 6/25/96 -0700, Brian Ward wrote:
>Almost forgot! I'd like to know what the list thought of the 2 Junglish
>songs Orbital played- sorry, I don't know the names of the songs. Also, did
>Orbital seem especially dark last night? a couple songs scared the shit out
>of me! ( not that I didn't enjoy them...)
>-Alex

Jon Zimmerman
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I left as well after Orbital, too pooped out...Had a test this morning anyways.

Jon


At  3:29 PM 6/25/96 -0700, Brian Ward wrote:
>so...am I going to be castrated if I say I left after Orbital because I
>don't really LIKE underworld?? *gasp*. heh...like I said, I wish I'd
>stayed.- Alex (Waiting for conversion)

Jon Zimmerman
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K,

It could be a public event...

D.

KironO wrote:
> 
> One giant pair of pliars please.......
> 
> At 03:29 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
> >so...am I going to be castrated if I say I left after Orbital because I
> >don't really LIKE underworld?? *gasp*. heh...like I said, I wish I'd
> >stayed.- Alex (Waiting for conversion)
> >
> >
> >

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>set was alitte dark. Kinda cool though. Makes me wonder why soldiers don't
>listen to Orbital when riding into battle (instead of Van Halen!).

hmm. i think i'd have them listening to gabber instead.


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On Jun 25,  7:21pm, MXSNOWMAN@aol.com wrote:

[snip]
> I know it's
> your friend but until they experience what you love, they'll try to push you
> to what they love. That's how it is.

Interesting!
So he should make his roommate experience what he likes, so that
his friends stops pushing him to experience what he likes...

> Someone likes what they do and they try
> to get others to join in on "their" game.

But that's exactly what you would like the original poster to do, take
his room mate to a rave and let him see "the light".

>        Did that help????

Not really I guess. My $0.02, if he's curious he'll come by himself,
otherwise, let him remain in his little universe of babes and bucks.
To each his/her own.

The Frying Dutchman

-- 


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sounds like a good event for the crash worship show. ;)

>It could be a public event...
>> One giant pair of pliars please.......
>> >so...am I going to be castrated if I say I left after Orbital because I
>> >don't really LIKE underworld?? *gasp*. heh...like I said, I wish I'd
>> >stayed.- Alex (Waiting for conversion)


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No, but you get your hands dirty either way.

;-)

Gotta go read my copy of "The Sexual Politics of Meat"


On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Diana Greer wrote:

> J,
> 
> Is killing your own meat the same as auto-erotic strangulation?
> 
> (I think its obvious that I have too much time on my hands today.)
> D.
> 

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First of all I'd like to say hi as I'm fairly new to the list (and the rave
scene in general) but after going to the Orbital/Underworld performace I
have to say I was extremely impressed. As for what orbital played, I know
the first song was "Out There Somewhere?", they seemed to play quite a few
others from their new album like "Girl With The Sun In Her Head" (had nifty
sunrise vids with it), Dwr Budr (surreal female voice in the background
though much more obvious on the album), and a piece from "The Box" (a 28 min
track on disc 2). I loved how they were just going crazy with the crowd at
the intense part of the song (had a kewlie organ sounds in it). *sigh*
orbital...very impressive!

-Kris
(DrkSprite on irc)

At 04:41 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Brian, Don't know the names of the Junglish songs, but I did think the
>set was alitte dark. Kinda cool though. Makes me wonder why soldiers don't
>listen to Orbital when riding into battle (instead of Van Halen!).
>
>
>Jon
>
>
>At 12:21 PM 6/25/96 -0700, Brian Ward wrote:
>>Almost forgot! I'd like to know what the list thought of the 2 Junglish
>>songs Orbital played- sorry, I don't know the names of the songs. Also, did
>>Orbital seem especially dark last night? a couple songs scared the shit out
>>of me! ( not that I didn't enjoy them...)
>>-Alex
>
>Jon Zimmerman
>(415)664-6645
>bigz@bigz.com
>http://www.bigz.com
>
>
>


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die die die you worm!


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I wish to say hello to the only SFraver I actually met at the weekend.

Name : Tara
Location : 1015, after the Chemical Bros.

Who with : you had a friend called Foster.

I enjoyed talking with you but unfortunately my friends decided to leave 
early & so I joined them for the cab home........



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Was wondering if anyone wanted to trade their awesome dub/jungle mixtape
for one of my fabulous progressive/deephouse mix tapes?  Am really aching
for a good, trippy jungle tape, but cannot justify spending $15 on a new
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I just wanted to relate some brief (you can start laughing now)
impressions of my experience at the Orbital / Underworld show in San
Francisco last night, with maybe a brief jog into discussing last
Friday's Chemical Brothers show.

I had a great time. I mean, a _really_ great time. I haven't danced this
hard since last October's great Friends and Family party. I was a fish on
a line all night long (aka: hooked), and was only briefly able to stop
dancing.  Everything about the show kept me moving, from the tight (if
overly treble-heavy) sound, the great lighting and video, and the
MUSIC. My goodness, the music.

So, specifics. I got to the show at around 9:00. Either Jonah Sharpe
didn't play live or he was the gent with the short-cropped hair dropping
the hard funked Detroit jams. I have to give that guy props. He may
always be riding the current trend (and make no mistake - the Detroit
sound is _very_ trendy amongst the SF techno elite right now. Big ups to
Jon Santos and Joe Rice for being two of the biggest perpetrators behind
this fashion conspiracy), but he does it with style and (dare I say it)
panache. I approved.

The DJ that followed him, though, completely knocked my shit right
out. From step one he started dropping the cold, dark techno jams that
give me body rushes and make me jerk spasmodically. Cool, precise mixes
of tons of material on Reload records (the choice of discerning darkcore
beat junkies everywhere), and a few notable surprises (of which I will
write more anon). He was exceptional (in my incredibly arrogant opinion
-- I imagine that many of my compatriots at the show were less than
thrilled. TOO BAD. I was happier than a pig in slop ;). I didn't know
they let DJs like that play in SF. Does anybody have any clue who he was?

Somewhere along there the DJ winked out and Orbital clambered up to take
the stage. As has been mentioned, one of the two Ps was wearing a laser
pointer strapped to his flashlight glasses. He did funny things with it
all night, but really, who gives a shit?

Orbital were all about THE MUSIC. The lights were great, the video was
just as good as I was led to expect, but oh dear, I got my ass rocked by
the sounds pounding their way away from the speakers. I mean, they
_started_ with my current favorite Orbital song ("Out There Somewhere")
and proceeded to methodically work their way through the high points of
their already very high-point-laden catalog. The reworks of "Choice" and
"Satan" were particularly tasty, although I thought my ears were going to
jump off and make a run for the hills during the more trebly bits of
"Satan". Ouch. And, of course, they played "Halcyon" with the magic
little Belinda Carlisle bit, which probably would have affected me more
profoundly had I not already been expecting it. They finished with a
encore consisting of "Planet of the Shapes" and one of the songs off of
_Snivilization_ that I never bothered to learn the name of (me? dislike
_Snivilization_? Whatever made you think that?). I think that otherwise
their set was probably note-for-note the same as the set they did in LA.

I personally could have handled a tiny bit more reworking of Orbital's
material. I could hear what they were up to sometimes, but I think a lot
of the subtler knob-twiddling got lost, and it was sort of odd knowing
exactly where all of the breaks were going to occur. It was life-
affirming hearing the artists that made me decide that I wanted to be a
DJ play their music REAL LOUD through a big sound system, but I thought
one of the positive things about techno was that it encouraged
experimentation, right?

One thing that their video made much more explicit was that Orbital is
unusually political for techno artists. The video made explicit many
points about consumer culture, the power of symbols in our culture, and
our overweening blindness in the face of rampant environmental
destruction. I don't think I'm just pulling that out of my butt,
either. Some of it would have been difficult to misinterpret (like all of
the shots of guys with chainsaws cutting down trees, f'rinstance).

In any case, Orbital were exactly as stunning as I expected them to be,
and I could have gotten down on my knees and wept at the beauty of it
all, but I was too busy dancing and whooping and generally making an ass
of myself to be bothered with such maudlin sentiment (those of you who
were there -- I was the tall geeklike person with the pony-tail, packer
boots, and the bright cheery Public Image Limited T shirt who kept
screaming and had the amateur obstacle course set up next to his feet).

After Orbital left the stage, That DJ started up again, spinning more
incredible hard traxxy mean-spirited techno stuff, including (drum roll
please) the Prodigy remix of Front 242's "Religion". Keep the crossover
indeed. Both I and the recently-transplanted Midwesterner I was with were
well pleased and grinning like idiots at the surprisingly good music.
Don't get me wrong -- there are a lot of really good technohead DJs in
San Francisco, but I prefer a harder / more abstract sound than what most
people here spin, and it was good to hear some of my favorite tunes spun
loud.

After an interminable break while the road crew tore down Orbital's
incredibly huge stage setup and set up Underworld's marginally less
complex array of gear, Messrs Smith, Hyde, and Emerson took to the stage,
looking cheery and happy to be there. At this point, I was standing up on
the balcony, so was able to see what they were doing on stage, which was
basically live mixing of presequenced material. Don't forget that Darren
Emerson is a DJ first and foremost. I kinda wondered why they bothered
doing it that way, considering that it would have been just as easy to
sequence everything, but as they warmed to what they were doing they got
more fluid with the mixing and it all made sense.

They had a buttload of gear up on stage which I could be a faithful
little trainspotter for y'all and detail, but I won't. Suffice it to say
that they had the usual array of trendy techno gear, and my partner in
crime for the evening spent a good chunk of time torturing himself,
trying to decide if the little Roland box mounted vertically in one of
their rackmount cases was a 303 or a 606. He finally decided that it was
a 606 when he saw Karl Hyde tweaking the cymbals on it late in the
show. I'd much earlier decided that it really wasn't worth worrying
about. I will say for thems that's curious that they were making very
prominent (and obnoxious) use of a Nord Lead throughout the evening, and
made me decide that I need one of those, monophonic or not. They
certainly do make some jaggedly analogesque noises. I'll also say that it
was cool that the only use that I saw for the guitar that Mr. Hyde was
hauling around stage with him was to act as the frequency input for the
vocoder on his voice. I thought that was a neato change of pace.

They played a very long set of very dancy material, which suited me just
fine, because I was, in fact, there to dance. I personally thought that
the vocals were a perfect counterpoint for the music, but I think that we
established long ago that there are those that like Underworld's vocals
and those that find them superfluous and annoying. I'm one of the former.
High points for me included a great, extended version of "Pearls Girl"
and a nicely-done encore of "Cowgirl" and "Rez" played back to
back. Hearing "Rez" was a very intensely nostalgic moment for me. If
Underworld deserves to be remembered for only one thing, it's definitely
that song.

What struck me most about Underworld was the enthusiasm they brought to
their set. While Orbital were content to bob their heads energetically
and occasionally confer with each other, Underworld were positively goofy
with energy. All three of them were bobbling enthusiastically around the
stage, with Karl and Darren pausing periodically to hype up the crowd.
When Karl wasn't singing, he was running around the stage like Moby or
something. It was fun to watch. And, of course, getting to see the Tomato
video was cool, although it was pretty obvious that the videos were
intended to be set to different songs than the ones that were currently
playing (a disadvantage when a) your song has words and b) those words
are integrated pretty heavily into the video).

What was remarkable to me was that in the past two years I've gone from
being a die-hard anti-fan of Underworld's to thinking that they are
positively the bees' knees. The vocals used to _really_ get on my nerves
and the music didn't do much for me, but once again, as they finished off
Rez I was just about fit to cry (and just about to fall over, too -- I
haven't danced that hard in a LOOONG time).

I hadn't really thought about what an important show this was to me until
I was there last night, but both of these bands have played pivotal roles
in my musical development. If it hadn't been for Orbital, I never would
have decided to indulge my musical fanatacism and become a DJ, and if it
hadn't been for the amazing singles that Underworld put out a couple
years ago ("Spoon [Deep Mix]" anyone?), I'd be a much different sounding DJ
now. It was a good night.

As a brief side note, I did go to see Chemical Brothers last Friday
night, and they did in fact go straight for the throat. Those kids do
_not_ fuck around. Bombastic beats, dark atmospheres, and light-show
imagery rife with images of death, destruction, and repression.
Considering how often their music is played by jolly la-di-da handbag
club DJs, it was surprising how much their set made me think of a
different kind of club altogether. Most excellent, especially the new
material, which wasn't quite so {hip|trip|crip}-hop oriented. After they
got into a groove they even seemed to be having fun. I think I saw one of
them smile once or twice.

They also had another wonderful opening DJ (this time DJ Terminator, who
played excellent hardstep jungle with good humor, despite the fact that
he was in the lighting booth up near the ceiling, had no monitor, and
therefore had absolutely no idea what his mixing sounded like).
Unfortunately, the [expletive deleted] Trocadero had its usual quirks,
this time being a dishwater-dull crowd and some very irritating sound
system problems. I'm sorry, but every time I see the name "Blasthaus" on
a flyer, I _know_ the party's going to be full of the sort of irritating
faux-hipsters (which I guess could be shortened by the omission of the
"faux-") guaranteed to set my teeth on edge. Maybe I'm an opinionated,
easily-irritated codger, though. Maybe. 

I _was_ surprised at how friendly and cheerful the Trocadero doorfolk
were, I will admit. But now that I think about it, they've always been
nice to me, even when they've been firmly telling me (f'rinstance) that I
can't bring my pepper spray into the club. Maybe I just look close enough
to Goth to pass. Maybe I just relate well to shaven-head death-metal
headz. I shrug.

yrz,
ozymandias

onNow: sqpr - "tundra" / "dimotane co" (I have a feeling I like a
   completely different album than the rest of you, because tracks like
   these are peachy, but Mr. Jenkinson could drop his bass out the window
   and I'd still like the album just as much. In fact, the reason I like
   this album as much as I do has to do with its strong resemblance to
   works by *cough* Aphex Twin or *cough* *cough* Mu-Ziq more than any
   resemblance to the current crop of ambient jazz innovative listening
   progressive intelligent dolphin softstep jungle-meisters.)

       . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . .
ozymandias G desiderata      ogd@organic.com        Desperate, Deathless
(415)278-5674     http://www.organic.com/Staff/ogd/       ::AOAIOXXYSZ::

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At 5:26 PM -0700 6/25/96, ozymandias G desiderata wrote:

>
>So, specifics. I got to the show at around 9:00. Either Jonah Sharpe
>didn't play live or he was the gent with the short-cropped hair dropping
>the hard funked Detroit jams.

Yep, that would be Jonah. Guess he's out of his jungle phase.

>The DJ that followed him, though, completely knocked my shit right
>out. From step one he started dropping the cold, dark techno jams that
>give me body rushes and make me jerk spasmodically. Cool, precise mixes
>of tons of material on Reload records (the choice of discerning darkcore
>beat junkies everywhere), and a few notable surprises (of which I will
>write more anon). He was exceptional (in my incredibly arrogant opinion
>-- I imagine that many of my compatriots at the show were less than
>thrilled. TOO BAD. I was happier than a pig in slop ;). I didn't know
>they let DJs like that play in SF. Does anybody have any clue who he was?
>

Yep, that would be Darren Price. Dunno much about him except that he has a
12 on NovaMute.

Joe

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     Yes peoples, please let us be careful about labeling people. Ever 
     since I've been reading this list I've read complaints about 
     "gangsters", "vatos", and "esse's" invading YOUR scene(long before the 
     author of the JoCks post). What makes it YOUR scene? How can I make it 
     MY scene or better yet OUR scene? In reading this list and attending 
     parties I'm starting to feel that because I am latino and like to 
     sport a ball-cap, goatee and wear my pants sagging I'm invading YOUR 
     scene. The reason I like raving is because I can be myself and not 
     worry about people judging my appearance(so I've always thought). I 
     can go to clubs for that shit. I've done the club scene and I hate it. 
     Who's to say that "the scene" belongs to a certain group or style of 
     people? I've met jerks of all colors and races at parties as well as 
     really great people. You preach love and unity yet you sit here and 
     complain of others' invading and ruining your scene. On top of that it 
     seems that it's always the "vato's" and "esse's" that are the bad 
     guys. That's B*llshit!
        I've gone to parties and sat on the wall for the whole night, or 
     danced all night, I've gone sober, and I've E'd my ass off. People 
     like to party in different ways. I admit that when I first started 
     raving one of the main reasons was because it was a place to get high 
     and hang out for the night. But I have since realized that there is a 
     lot more to it than that. It may take some longer than others to 
     realize the true benefits of raving. Some may never realize. Give 
     people a chance. Raving has definately changed my outlook on things 
     but not my wardrobe. If this is how you like to judge people then I 
     don't want to be part of YOUR scene. I'd rather chill with my 
     "gangster" friends. Kno' wha' I'm sayin'? 
        I went to Harmony last month and kept getting these looks like I 
     didn't belong there. Just how so many of you talk in this list I was 
     looked at like I was invading there party. Like I belonged at a 
     CoolWorld party or something(fuck that). If you don't like the people 
     who show up at the parties you go to throw a private fucking party. 
     Otherwise do what I do just smile and keep walking. This isn't 
     directed to anyone in particular. Just wanted to voice an opinion from 
     another perspective. I welcome any and all comments\opinions. Later 
     y'all!
     
     Sorry so long, just needed to vent and make a point to all the 
     hypocrits out there.
     
            -Renzo-
     
     
     
     
     
     
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     _________________________________ Subject: Re: J0cKs?.?.?
     Author:  epaul@Synopsys.COM (Eric P. Peterson) at SMTPLINK Date:    
     6/24/96 11:14 AM
     
     
     >Folks, let us be careful about "labeling."  It is too easy to neatly 
     box >a human being into a certain category and then write them off.  I 
     would >hope that we can appreciate each human being for their 
     individuality, >instead of putting them down with labels.  This is 
     taking the easy way >out, instead of attempting to see the person in 
     his/her entirity.
     >
     >--kaySEE
     >
     So true!  A pen pal of mine says that labels are for cans of corn, not 
     for people!
     
     - E
     
     


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The DJ with Underworld and Orbital was Darren Price. No wonder I thought
he was so swell. He's swell.

yrz,
ozymandias

PS -- if anybody wants to say howdy-hoo at Crash Worship tonight, I'll be
the lad with the T shirt with the Russky and the megaphone on it. I'll
probably also be trying to dance painfully, too. Last night took a lot
out of me.

       . . . the self-reflecting image of a narcotized mind . . .
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R,

Thank you for opening MY eyes.  Your post is timely and we needed it!

Thanks again,
D.

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        Reply to:   RE>underworld discography help

Howdy...
I just happen to have the HOOK UP on this particular subject:
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~tremblay/main.html
This web site KICKS ASS.  An independant party runs it, but to my knowledge there is no official site.  There is a complete discography on there as well as just about everything else you would ever want to know.  I have almost everything they have ever put out, except for a couple of limited edition 12"s (that I have been hunting down for some time now).  I saw them in L.A. too at Organic 96 - THAT PARTY ROCKED - they played a different set, too.  Anyway, I have to go work now.  I'm glad you and the all others who witnessed their earth shattering performance(s) are now also fellow Underworld devotees!!!!  
_jason_ 
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Date: 6/25/96 2:58 PM
To: Jason Green*
From: Wumpus 99
ok. is anyone else on the list as big and underworld nutter as i am? please
help me out with this.. i want to know if there is anything i'm missing of
theirs.. i have:

Dubnobasswithmyheadman (cd)
Dark&Long single (vinyl)
Dirty Epic/Cowgirl single (cd) - two new mixes of each song + rez + river of
bass
Born Slippy (cd) - does anyone know which song is nuxx and which is telematic?
song: Change (on cd)
song: Dark Hard (on cd)
Second toughest in the infants (cd)

is there anything else out there?


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 19:55:47 1996
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From: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG <sandoz@sfsu.edu>
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That has to have been one of the worst shows I have ever been to.  
Despite the fact that Orbital played an amfuckngmazing set everything 
else sucked.
Firstly, the sound was so bad that at times not only the (deep) bass but 
some of the mid and treble was so distorted that it bbelittled the power 
of the music.  The reason?  Techno music is, like vynal, sythetic sounds 
created from a pre-programmed memory which  means that they 
were created at a different frequency then if they had been composed by 
live electronic instrument (such as a guitar).  Therefore, anytime you 
play sythicated music through a live, rather then rave, speaker system 
it is going to sound like shit no matter how good the bands equipment is 
(and Orbital's equipment was the bollocks; did anyone check that out?) 
or the venues PA is.  Last time I saw Orbital here it was a few years 
back at that Galleria show downtown and THAT was a show.  The soud there 
was amazing because it done up for a rave and not for a band.  And so 
the question still remains: how could the Fillmore, or Orbital for 
that matter, no know this?  The least thing that the they vould have 
done was to have scraped the house system and have got the Whicked 
system in instead which is a) much louder and (most importantly) deeper 
and b)  it is operated by people that really understand techno music and how 
to make it sound good; the sound guy for the house did not have a clue.
  Secomdly, the visuals, which were mind blowing, were completely waisted 
owing to the fact that they were being projected onto three little 
screens that were being oscured by lighting racks.  Owing to the lack of 
lyrics in Orbitals music (although the vocal samples they use are 
inspired genius) the only other way they have of getting there messgae 
across is through there vissuals.  At the Galleria show the screens, 
which were much bigger, where stationed in front of tre stage and this 
worked far better as one felt that they were part of the visuals and that 
they were directly talking to you are your life.  This deffinatly did not 
happen (to me) at the Fillmore show.
The only thing that saved the show was the lighting which was 
mindblowing.
There were also way to many people there and the tempreture was so 
hot that I almost passed out a few times because of it.  Now I know that 
owing to my British heritage I am a lightweight when it comes to heat I 
looked around the venue and noticed that I was not the only punter who 
was suffering from this problem.  I really wanted to stay for all of 
Underworld but the heat was making me fall asleep so I had to leave.  
What I want to know is bearing in mind that the Fillmore made bank and 
knew that they were going to the least thing they could have done was got 
in a few of those large industrial fans to cool the place down.  But oh 
yeah I forgot, there're only interested in our money so what the fuck do 
they care?
There was also no vibe from the crowd what-so ever.  They all looked 
liked fresh young white thing's from the territories who did not look 
like they could blow there nose let alone understand the complexties and 
conceptulization of Orbitals music.  Remember: Orbital are not some 
kiddie arese rave band but intelligent adults making intelligent music 
for intelligent music.  They are educating as well entertaining there 
audiance; it''s just a shame that the vast majority (although not all) of 
there audiance in the US (going on te crowd last night) simply do nat 
have a clue.
And lastly: fuck Bill Graham presents and, especially, fuck BASS who 
force great bands to play in totally unsuited venues.  What I want to 
know is why can't we organize an Orbital show?  We can get better venues 
with bettewr sound equipment and have a better show.  Thats what the 
Galleria show was and it was a 1000% better because of it.
Also, until last night, I had never even heard of Underworld.  While they 
did not exactly suck they Are mere minions compared to Orbital so why the 
fuck did they go on last?  I knew people there wjho had just come to see 
Orbital and arrived late because they were on at 9.30! (a ridiculasly 
early hour' 4.00 a.m would have been much better.

Orbital are one of my favourite bands and I was sad to see that there 
genius was being wasisted at a bad venue with a majoritivly weak crowd.  
Please, cant we do better next time?  What about a whole weekend live 
techno fest with Orbital, The Orb, System 7, Higher Intelligence Agency 
and, especially Richard.H Kirk (Caberet Voltaire, Sandoz, electronic 
Eye,) who still kicks arse over everybody including Orbital.  Ah well, 
better luck next time I guess.

Tristan.

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Hey all,

  I couldnt agree with Nathan's post more.  The line out side was a mess.
a complete 180 degrees from the party inside.  Well put together and
professional.  It reminded me of some of the warehouse parties i went
to back on the east coast a few years ago.  The most AMAZING laser.
  Rabbit in the Moon was phunphun!! and completely threw the party into
high gear (i just hope some of my pictures come out!) and Terry Mullan
spun a completely perfect early morning set!!!  Hard and Pounding for 
2 and 1/2 hours.  
  A good rave. looking forward to Freedom and especiall Eon II Eon where
Scott Henry, Terry Mullan, Onionz + several other phat East Coast DJ's 
will be spinning at.  My definate recommendation for a MUST go party 
this summer..

  wore my SFR badge but didnt meet any other SFRavers. 
im off peace and take care!

doug ))))) a b00mingg baSS for a l0ving race ((((( dougie@sfsu.edu

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Just got word from the source -- no TF this weekend!

Back to the drawing board...
-G-


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>Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:59:19 -0800
>To:Sig
>From:tim@redshift.com (Tim Gotch)
>Subject:Re: The Orbital show.
>
>>And lastly: fuck Bill Graham presents and, especially, fuck BASS who
>>force great bands to play in totally unsuited venues.  What I want to
>>know is why can't we organize an Orbital show?
>
>93
>Umm...the Orbital/Underworld show wasn't a Bill Graham event. The Fillmore
>was rented by Space Children just for this event. So blame your local
>promoter (who, BTW, did not make a whole lot of money, considering how
>much the Fillmore costs to rent). Just my nickel. I thought it was one of
>the best shows I've been to for a long time.
>Tim
>93/93
>
>ps And no, I am not affiliated with Space Children in any way.


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Well, I went, I saw, and no this isn't going to say, I kicked ass.

I was undoubtly impressed by Orbital and Underworld.  I have been to many a
live performances in my day.  Most are basically just some joe hitting the
DAT play button, and them all jumping around doing nothing real exciting.

But this was a bit different.

I didn't see much of Orbital up front (lack of glasses because I was
dancing like nuts) so I couldn't really go and check the gear out.  I dug
the influence of Breakbeat in both acts.. True to the english tradition,
you felt the essence of the 'ardcore in many of the selctions..  I nice
slow break with a harpsichord breakdown was nothing less but extraordinary
originality.. Hell, oribital knew what to do, they took a trend and made
something completely new and exciting from something totally over used, and
old.

Now Underworld was great.  I have never seen three people come on the stage
pretty nervous, and by the end figuring out that they had the crowd under
their control.. Major respect goes out to them for doing a fantastic live
performance.. This was as live as you could get with that much equipement..
The fact that there appeared to be no DAT shit being pulled totally
impressed me..

The vibe was like no other I have experienced.. People were there and
having fun, and totally into it.. I was a bit suprised and happy to be
apart of this first time rave sensation of SF.  cough: and the waify girl
with the red hair and sunglasses.. you have some wicked eyebrows..nice one!

The midwest is another world, with another feeling, but the ravers here do
understand something that newyork has refused to get... The music is what
it is all about, keep it that way, and you got great days to come..

Later, and have a bloody fucking good day.
Johnsin




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Paul Abramson <pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU> wrote in "Sunset & Mantra":

>Mantra was also really great last night.  Now *that* is my kind of trance.
>Fast, fast, fast.  :) :) :)  If only I could've stayed past 1am....it
>seemed to be getting even better.  The organizers do a really great job
>with this one... nice decorations, lots of black lights, water galore, and
>GREAT MUSIC.  I like the space at cat's grill too.

What's this Mantra.  Is this a weekly on Sundays?  Hmmmm can I get more
info on this from anyone. I'd like to check it....if the trancedance is
nice...
I'll see you there.


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From: jess <jfogler@itsa.ucsf.EDU>
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Excuse me but did someone slip happy pills into everyones water last night
and somehow I missed the dose???

I thought the Orbital/Underworld show was straight ahead mediocre:
Orbital played a set that was largely verbatim off their new CD - I
mean note for note, no mixing, no playing around, no nothing - they
seemed to be jumping around a lot in order to hide the fact that they had
nothing to do on stage except press play occasionally.  The sound system
sucked big time - really muddy and way too loud.  


Underworld had a lot more energy and played a pretty danceable set.  It
was pretty fun to see them bopping around on the stage but this was _far_
from the most impressive live show I've ever seen. I amused myself in the
back trying to pick up some new dance moves by copying people in front
of me without being noticed.

Perhaps the evening was doomed the moment my bag was searched outside and
my powerbar confiscated (the scandal!)...

Plan for the week:  get lots of rest and get ready for a weekend which I
hope will restore my faith in techno...

		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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At 02:03 PM 6/25/96 PDT, David Alves wrote:
>
>ANNOUNCEMENT:
>
>first planning meeting of the GGMLSR
>(golden gate malt liquor soccer rave)

Yeah! I'll be there and we'll get 'dat 8 ball rollin!


>Also note - $2 spaghetti dinner tent.
Yum!



Old English 800, that's my brand! Drink it in a 40, bottle, quart, or can.



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From: Scott Nelson <drenalin@lettuce.salinas.net>
To: TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG <sandoz@sfsu.edu>
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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, TRISTAN BERNARD BLAUG wrote:

> Firstly, the sound was so bad that at times not only the (deep) bass but 
> some of the mid and treble was so distorted that it bbelittled the power 
> of the music.  The reason?  Techno music is, like vynal, sythetic sounds 
> created from a pre-programmed memory which  means that they 
> were created at a different frequency then if they had been composed by 
> live electronic instrument (such as a guitar).  Therefore, anytime you 
> play sythicated music through a live, rather then rave, speaker system 
> it is going to sound like shit no matter how good the bands equipment is 
> (and Orbital's equipment was the bollocks; did anyone check that out?) 
> or the venues PA is.  Last time I saw Orbital here it was a few years 
> back at that Galleria show downtown and THAT was a show.  The soud there 
> was amazing because it done up for a rave and not for a band.  And so 
> the question still remains: how could the Fillmore, or Orbital for 
> that matter, no know this?  The least thing that the they vould have 
> done was to have scraped the house system and have got the Whicked 
> system in instead which is a) much louder and (most importantly) deeper 
> and b)  it is operated by people that really understand techno music and how 
> to make it sound good; the sound guy for the house did not have a clue.

I really didnt think the sound was as bad as you make it out to be, 
although it would have been nice to have some more subs, the sound at the 
SoCal show was phenomenal.

>   Secomdly, the visuals, which were mind blowing, were completely waisted 
> owing to the fact that they were being projected onto three little 
> screens that were being oscured by lighting racks.  Owing to the lack of 
> lyrics in Orbitals music (although the vocal samples they use are 
> inspired genius) the only other way they have of getting there messgae 
> across is through there vissuals.  At the Galleria show the screens, 
> which were much bigger, where stationed in front of tre stage and this 
> worked far better as one felt that they were part of the visuals and that 
> they were directly talking to you are your life.  This deffinatly did not 
> happen (to me) at the Fillmore show.

The visuals rocked.  I don't see how you thought they were that obscured, 
they really werent behind those lights that much.

> The only thing that saved the show was the lighting which was 
> mindblowing.
> There were also way to many people there and the tempreture was so 
> hot that I almost passed out a few times because of it.  Now I know that 
> owing to my British heritage I am a lightweight when it comes to heat I 
> looked around the venue and noticed that I was not the only punter who 
> was suffering from this problem.  I really wanted to stay for all of 
> Underworld but the heat was making me fall asleep so I had to leave.  
> What I want to know is bearing in mind that the Fillmore made bank and 
> knew that they were going to the least thing they could have done was got 
> in a few of those large industrial fans to cool the place down.  But oh 
> yeah I forgot, there're only interested in our money so what the fuck do 
> they care?

Again, it really wasnt that hot.  Have you ever been to some of the 
smaller parties in SF, say some of the past Komotion parties?  Now that's 
hot.  I actually thought the temperature was rather pleasnat the entire 
night.

> There was also no vibe from the crowd what-so ever.  They all looked 
> liked fresh young white thing's from the territories who did not look 
> like they could blow there nose let alone understand the complexties and 
> conceptulization of Orbitals music.  Remember: Orbital are not some 
> kiddie arese rave band but intelligent adults making intelligent music 
> for intelligent music.  They are educating as well entertaining there 
> audiance; it''s just a shame that the vast majority (although not all) of 
> there audiance in the US (going on te crowd last night) simply do nat 
> have a clue.

As much as you may not have thought there was a vibe I guess you should 
be glad that you did not go to the socal show.  SF was a thousand times 
more vibey.  I ran into smiling people all night long!  I talked with one 
of the Hartnoll Brothers from Orbital and he loved the crowd.  Maybe you 
were in a bad part of the dance floor?!

> And lastly: fuck Bill Graham presents and, especially, fuck BASS who 
> force great bands to play in totally unsuited venues.  What I want to 
> know is why can't we organize an Orbital show?  We can get better venues 
> with bettewr sound equipment and have a better show.  Thats what the 
> Galleria show was and it was a 1000% better because of it.
> Also, until last night, I had never even heard of Underworld.  While they 
> did not exactly suck they Are mere minions compared to Orbital so why the 
> fuck did they go on last?  I knew people there wjho had just come to see 
> Orbital and arrived late because they were on at 9.30! (a ridiculasly 
> early hour' 4.00 a.m would have been much better.

The show wasnt Bill Graham, trust me your ticket would have said bgp on 
it if it were.  I thought the venue was very appropriate.  Events in the 
Galleria arent really that feasible anymore as I understand it, when was 
the last event there?  Find some of the promoters in town a place to do 
it and they probably would!  Really  what space are out there these 
days?  I disagree about Orbital coming on first, I think it worked out 
great and not everyone came to see Orbital, I for one came to see 
Underworld! who rocked my ass!

> Orbital are one of my favourite bands and I was sad to see that there 
> genius was being wasisted at a bad venue with a majoritivly weak crowd.  
> Please, cant we do better next time?  What about a whole weekend live 
> techno fest with Orbital, The Orb, System 7, Higher Intelligence Agency 
> and, especially Richard.H Kirk (Caberet Voltaire, Sandoz, electronic 
> Eye,) who still kicks arse over everybody including Orbital.  Ah well, 
> better luck next time I guess.

If you've got investeors I'm sure someone would love to get all those 
groups over!  Heck if you give me the money I'll do it, although it would 
cost you a pretty penny just in plane flights!

love drenalin

ps try to loosen up next time...it really was good show

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  Hope this is the friendly kind of mailing list where you just introduce
yourself, 'cause that's what I'm about to do!
  I'm new to San Francisco, only been here a couple of months and still
not really settled in.  I've yet to go to a rave here, for lack of
funds/time and the overwhelming and undigestable volume of available
information.  I've been raving for around 3 years, which is a long time
where I come from - Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.
  Ottawa has a small scene (no rave has yet drawn a crowd of over 1000,
and most don't break 300), which was great for me.  It was really like a
family - there were always dozens of familiar faces to be seen at every
party.  Even though the scene is small, there is a proportionally large
'core' group who can be found at most any of the raves.
  Anyway, I'll probably start going to raves around here on a regular
basis fairly soon, but I wanted to know if anyone can help me to find
events where I'll feel more like a part of a family than part of a throng.
I'd love to go to an outdoor party - never have, Ottawa has horrible
weather for it.  And I've seen some insane prices out here too, which I'd
rather not have to pay (the music and the vibe are important to me, not
the number of people or the DJs' reputations)... 
  And also, I'd really like to meet people!  I moved down here on a whim,
basically, with no friends or anything.  I'd love to meet some of my
friendly neighborhood ravers :)
  Take care all...

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Tue Jun 25 23:09:28 1996
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Sorry about being soooo blunt. But I've never met someone like you before
therefor I assume that you are rare. Not to piss you off or nuthing. But you
are rare!

Aryck

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Hey folks, I wanted to say thanks for all the positive vibes and support 
and wish you all the best.  I have moved back to southern california and 
will be here for a while.  I wish you all happy vibes and mamy positive 
times in the future!  If you're ever in Southern California, look me up :)
PLUR, etc.
:)

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                UCD Graduate, Disk Jockey, Electronic Musician
                            "Will Spin For Food"


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 00:36:40 1996
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[ to sfraves list ]
( Please excuse any errors in my writing - I'm under the influence of
champagne gifted to us from my mother-in-law - a few glasses in honor
of a personal milestone achieved! )
 
 Recently , Austin asked about the Sunday evening weekly called Mantra -
 
> What's this Mantra.  Is this a weekly on Sundays?  Hmmmm can I get more
> info on this from anyone. I'd like to check it....if the trancedance is
> nice...

 The trancedance is AMAZING! 

 I went to my first MANTRA event this Sunday. It's scheduled to go from 
10PM to 3PM, but they were about 1/2hr late opening this time. While the
event is held in the Cat's Grill (?) , the actual entrance is located
in an alley of Clemetina St. - alley entrance is off of 8th St. between
Howard and Folsom. Admission was $5, ids checked to verify if you're 18
or older. Also, the flyer I have says "NO ADMITTANCE AFTER 2AM". 

 The first DJ up was Dutch ( now, after close-cropping his head , going
by the DJ handle Starbuck ). He was GREAT! I was happily bopping away
to his wonderful trance selections for almost his whole set! Not just
monorythmic 4/4 stuff , but some wicked syncopated stuff too! I will
definetly try to attend any future events he might be spinning at.

 After Dutch was what I think was a two-person band called CIEBA. One of
them is a guy who works at Frequency 8 , the other a bald white male who
I don't know. ( Anybody in SFRaves land know what individual names these
guys go by ? ). Great stuff too! Very interesting to watch as well , if
you're curious of how live techno would work. They played synths and
rhythm boxes ( at least a Roland keyboard and a Novation BassStation ),
or spun records , or a mix of records and live music.  

 Going by the flyer, I guess the guy in spinning ambient and trip-hop 
and etc. for the area in the back called "The Temple Of Osiris" was Neal. 
That music he played was a nice complement to the main room's harder/
faster beats. ( it was a minor disappointment to me that they weren't
going to do a jungle/drum and bass thing as listed in the SFRcalander. 

 The MANTRA flyer emphasises the "psychedelic" aspect of the music, and 
that was obvious in the music I heard this Sunday. I, and a lot of other 
folks , were definitely transporting! I would recommend that folks check
out this weekly - I live in Sunnyvale, so I had to make MANTRA a special
event that I may not repeat too often, although I like my first time there
very much! Doesn't seem as though they need to "get the word out" to 
increase attendance though, as the place was pretty full by 11:30-12:30. 

 Nice dayglo handpainted draperies  , rudimentary visuals without video 
( that was fine with me! ), great dancefloor vibe. 

 Get there early , as parking within a 1/4 block of the club gets filled
early.

 Bye for now -  Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com

PS - Hello again to all the SFRaves folks who where at  FF

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 00:46:04 1996
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From: Branka Cehic <branka@netcom.com>
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Subject: I am back!!!
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....and I have > 1000 msgs in my mail box...  SOmebody told me I should 
have unsubscribed while I was in Croatia, but I was hoping to be able to 
check my e-mail every once in a while.  I tried once, but it was sooo 
slow that it wasn't worth it at all.

I missed you all, I missed SF, I missed the great parties we have, smilie 
faces, nice people and everything.  I could not shut up about what what 
SF and parties here mean to me.  My friends think I am crazy, but who 
cares I am back :))).  

Looking forward to a next party :)
Love you all,

Branka


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 Larry Ching wrote-


> I went to my first MANTRA event this Sunday. It's scheduled to go from
>10PM to 3PM, but they were about 1/2hr late opening this time. While the
>event is held in the Cat's Grill (?) , the actual entrance is located
>in an alley of Clemetina St. - alley entrance is off of 8th St. between
>Howard and Folsom. Admission was $5, ids checked to verify if you're 18
>or older. Also, the flyer I have says "NO ADMITTANCE AFTER 2AM".
>
> The first DJ up was Dutch ( now, after close-cropping his head , going
>by the DJ handle Starbuck ). He was GREAT! I was happily bopping away
>to his wonderful trance selections for almost his whole set! Not just
>monorythmic 4/4 stuff , but some wicked syncopated stuff too! I will
>definetly try to attend any future events he might be spinning at.
>
> After Dutch was what I think was a two-person band called CIEBA. One of
>them is a guy who works at Frequency 8 , the other a bald white male who
>I don't know. ( Anybody in SFRaves land know what individual names these
>guys go by ? )


I believe that the bald white male was probably Peter.  He's a great dj who
I've heard spin at CCC before.



> Great stuff too! Very interesting to watch as well , if
>you're curious of how live techno would work. They played synths and
>rhythm boxes ( at least a Roland keyboard and a Novation BassStation ),
>or spun records , or a mix of records and live music.
> Going by the flyer, I guess the guy in spinning ambient and trip-hop
>and etc. for the area in the back called "The Temple Of Osiris" was Neel.




Neel spun at the sierra solstice party last Friday afternoon before Galen
and Solar got there.  It was nice laying in the meadow looking up at the
sky, drinking wine, smoking jaw, talking to people and dancing around.



> The MANTRA flyer emphasises the "psychedelic" aspect of the music, and
>that was obvious in the music I heard this Sunday. I, and a lot of other
>folks , were definitely transporting! I would recommend that folks check
>out this weekly - I live in Sunnyvale, so I had to make MANTRA a special
>event that I may not repeat too often, although I like my first time there
>very much! Doesn't seem as though they need to "get the word out" to
>increase attendance though, as the place was pretty full by 11:30-12:30.
> Nice dayglo handpainted draperies  , rudimentary visuals without video
> that was fine with me! ), great dancefloor vibe.



I'll probably check it out this Sunday night as I have not gone in quite a
while.  See you there.
-Nancy



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Too bad about the show.....sound wise at least...

I saw them at Organic 96 this past weekend and the sound was superb -
perhaps because they were outdoors with no echos and sound people even 
thought to put in two large (16 cabinets or so each ) sets of "fill" speakers
which were behind the crowd.... the Wicked sound doesn't even come close!
Perhaps large sound companies in LA are better with large concert sound?
This was one concert ( Organic ) that everything was totally clear and the
bass could peel paint.... we did even notice that when DJ's played the 
"compressed" sound of the records was WAY LESS impressive than the live
instruments... so that when Orbital began live the bass was so deep and
loud that it was wonderful.... no record would have been able to track such
strong uncompressed bass....


As for their visuals they were on smaller screens reminding me of eyeglasses
with a center screen - but still very visible and very social-political...

I saw Underworld 1st at this show and I would agree that while they play
a fast easy to dance to set - they were no where near the quality of
Orbital.... As far as I'm concerned Orbital upstaged everyone at Organic
so that the Orb - who played last- were anticlimatic....

I imagine Orbital played first at the Filmore because it was a work night
and they wanted more of the crowd to be there- figuring a lot of people
would leave early to get ready for work?


I also liked how Orbital played in the dark with their flashlight headsets
at Organic which made them look sort of like "glowing eye" aliens in the
darkness....


Mike



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Does anyone have a copy or know where I can get a copy of Mac TCP ver. 7.1.
 I don't think I can run 7.5 on this piece of shit. 
 
--erik 
 
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These words were NOT written by moonpup 
He's in London until late August 
 
...and I'm ERIK.  I'll be using his address until then 
Please address all comments, rebuttals, love or hate letters to me, ERIK 
or drop me a line... 415-337-6666

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They played "The Box" which is a totally dark song....really slow break beat
with guitar over it.  This song is the Bomb.  I went completely nuts.
Thanks Orbital.

Rick

At 12:21 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Almost forgot! I'd like to know what the list thought of the 2 Junglish
>songs Orbital played- sorry, I don't know the names of the songs. Also, did
>Orbital seem especially dark last night? a couple songs scared the shit out
>of me! ( not that I didn't enjoy them...)
>-Alex
>
>
>



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  Therefore, anytime you
>play sythicated music through a live, rather then rave, speaker system
>it is going to sound like shit no matter how good the bands equipment is
>(and Orbital's equipment was the bollocks; did anyone check that out?)
>or the venues PA is.
  I didn't know that "rave" speaker equipment is any different from Live
equipment. Last time I looked speaker technology hasn't changed much in 30
years, there's not really that much you can do with paper and magnets.


>There were also way to many people there and the tempreture was so
>hot that I almost passed out a few times because of it.

Take your jacket off next time.

>There was also no vibe from the crowd what-so ever.  They all looked
>liked fresh young white thing's from the territories who did not look
>like they could blow there nose let alone understand the complexties and
>conceptulization of Orbitals music. Remember: Orbital are not some
>kiddie arese rave band but intelligent adults making intelligent music
>for intelligent music.  They are educating as well entertaining there
>audiance;

...coming from someone who doesn't understand the complexities and concepts
of the English Language(your English ancestors are rolling over in their
graves!).
I have to disagree here, I think everyone was having a lot of fun. I think
anyone listening to Orbital for any reason is ok, and that anyone making
the choice to listen to them, shows some level of intelligence considering
some of the mindless dribble that saturates the U.S. music scene.


  Now I know that
>owing to my British heritage I am a lightweight when it comes to heat I
>looked around the venue and noticed that I was not the only punter who
>was suffering from this problem.  I really wanted to stay for all of
>Underworld but the heat was making me fall asleep so I had to leave.

Good, we didn't miss you. By the way, every club I've been to in London has
been fuckin' sweltering, so you probably don't want to go there.



I though the Fillmore was a great venue. Owing to its psychedelic heritage
I'm suprised that there hasn't been more trance and techno there.


Lovingly yours,

Jon




Jon Zimmerman
(415)664-6645
bigz@bigz.com
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 08:29:38 1996
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Milton, you didn't include your email address...

(so this is going to the list)

Hi Milton.. Do a partial (custom) install of System (7.5) Update 2.0.. It 
contains Mac TCP 2.06. Or buy Adam Engst's "The Internet Starter Kit"
which comes with it.

Does that make sense?

You can get the install off the net.. just install "Networking Software",
it doesn't matter that you are running 7.1.. but just to be safe, you can 
install onto another -non-startup disk..

-Chris.


(chris@ncafe.com)


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a litle dubious humour to get you though wednesday .. my father is 
responsible for this (in he's in SF right now so if any of you see a guy 
who looks like a Scottish Santa Claus, you know who to blame!):

Two doctors are standing discussing a patient.  One of them reaches into 
his breast bocket to grab a pen and pulls out a rectal thermometer.  He 
looks at it for a moment and says "oh damn!  some asshole has my pen!"

*duck*
k

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At 07:55 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>That has to have been one of the worst shows I have ever been to.  
>Despite the fact that Orbital played an amfuckngmazing set everything 
>else sucked.

Must disagree here.  Loved everything about it.

>Firstly, the sound was so bad that at times not only the (deep) bass but 
>some of the mid and treble was so distorted that it bbelittled the power 
>of the music.

Thought the sound was really good myself.  The bass could be felt more
toward the front, but I thought overall it was great anywhere I was standing.

>  Secomdly, the visuals, which were mind blowing, were completely waisted 
>owing to the fact that they were being projected onto three little 
>screens that were being oscured by lighting racks.  

I thought the inteli lighting made up for the screen obstruction, and the
seemingly broken center projection.

>There were also way to many people there and the tempreture was so 
>hot that I almost passed out a few times because of it.  

I danced all night....more than I ever have at any party anywhere!....and
was never overheated.  I thought it was quite comfortable.

>But oh 
>yeah I forgot, there're only interested in our money so what the fuck do 
>they care?

Strange, again my experience was quite different.  I was greeted with smiles
and "hello, welcome to the Fillmore" by more than one staff person, then
goodbye's and "have a nice evening" at the end.  The staff seemed very
friendly to me.

>There was also no vibe from the crowd what-so ever.  They all looked 
>liked fresh young white thing's from the territories who did not look 
>like they could blow there nose let alone understand the complexties and 
>conceptulization of Orbitals music.  

I must ask......you are talking about the Orbital/Underworld show in SF at
the Fillmore on Monday night right????  Thick with vibe....my friend after
talking with Orbital after the show even overheard Paul H. saying he thought
the vibe was really great.  Maybe you were in a vibeless pocket for some
strange reason.

Remember: Orbital are not some 
>kiddie arese rave band but intelligent adults making intelligent music 
>for intelligent music.  They are educating as well entertaining there 
>audiance; it''s just a shame that the vast majority (although not all) of 
>there audiance in the US (going on te crowd last night) simply do nat 
>have a clue.

Can't agree here either.

>A While they 
>did not exactly suck they Are mere minions compared to Orbital so why the 
>fuck did they go on last?  I knew people there wjho had just come to see 
>Orbital and arrived late because they were on at 9.30! (a ridiculasly 
>early hour' 4.00 a.m would have been much better.

Underworld rocked.  They were equally as good as Orbital, though in a
different league with a different style.

>Orbital are one of my favourite bands and I was sad to see that there 
>genius was being wasisted at a bad venue with a majoritivly weak crowd.

I really liked the Fillmore, and am stoked at the idea of seeing more events
there.
 

>Tristan.

I think I rember this name from about a year ago....as well as the ideas and
feeling related thoughout the post.



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>Just got word from the source -- no TF this weekend!

anyone going to revival instead? I probably will because a FOAF is spinning...


b e n   c h u n

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At 10:03 PM 6/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Excuse me but did someone slip happy pills into everyones water last night
>and somehow I missed the dose???
>
I actually had no dose of happy pills myself that night but enjoyed  kick
ass shows by
two of the best techno/trance acts on the scene. The vibe  was amazing,
totally good energy
and everybody there was there for the music.

Peace

Kiron



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Wow! If you hoped to get a truly 'rave'-like experience at a club show, I
think you were expecting too much. Sure you can have misgivings about the
fillmore, but at least there was somewhere to have it which fit into teh
band's busy schedule. 

Sure the sound wasn't crisp and perfect, *shrug* still, that didn't ruin
the show for me- Orbital did a good job- It seemed like almost everyone
there was dancing (seems like a good vibe to me) and sometimes you could
hear the crowd cheering over the loud breaks as well as the soft spots.

As for the temperature of the show, I wore my big jacket until I'd danced
for an hour and was getting way too hot. But the fillmore was never
'sweltering'. Compared to most clubs I go to this was a real nice change of
pace in terms of the high ceilings and breathing room. 

The more I think about it, the more I wish Orbital had gone out on a limb,
but I got what I paid for- a good time.
-Alex


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> 
> Milton, you didn't include your email address...
> 
> (so this is going to the list)
> 
> Hi Milton.. Do a partial (custom) install of System (7.5) Update 2.0.. It 
> contains Mac TCP 2.06. Or buy Adam Engst's "The Internet Starter Kit"
> which comes with it.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> You can get the install off the net.. just install "Networking Software",
> it doesn't matter that you are running 7.1.. but just to be safe, you can 
> install onto another -non-startup disk..
> 
> -Chris.
> 
> 
> (chris@ncafe.com)
> 
> 

Best bet is to:

Use System 7.5.3 (esp. if using a PPC), and Open Transport 1.1.

Mac TCP 2.0.6 has some problems, and is relatively limited as compared to 
OT 1.1.

OT 1.1 comes as part of the 7.5.3 System Software.

CHeck Apple's web page for more details.  Ditch 7.5 or 7.5.2.

Out,
John


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I danced more than I ever have at any show or party.  Just could not stop.
Sound was great.  A friend of mine said it was hurting his ears, but I
thought it was quite nice....loud but not too loud.  Clear as a bell was my
impression.  Dj's were great.  I havn't had the desire to move to fast hard
music like that in a long time....once again, could not stop.  Both bands
were excellent...thank you Orbital for playing that slow track off of "The
Box."  Both bands were equally impressive, and either could have played
first and it wouldn't have mattered.  Orbital I think is a little more on
the cerebral side...where Underworld was much more dance oriented.  Both
were great within thier own styles.  Vibe was nice with lots of smiling
faces.  Paul H. was kind enough to come out from back stage to make himself
available for conversation with fans.  He's really nice, and has done the
same thing at all three shows I've seen them at.  Stoked all the way around,
and unlike the Orbital/Moby/Aphex show at the Galleria, I will remember this
show due to sobriety.  I'm sure glad I learned how to have fun this way.  It
seems to last longer :)

Rick



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Tribal Future???? I thought that there wasn't going to be another one 
until some time in October?
                              Reagan



On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, George Feil wrote:

> Just got word from the source -- no TF this weekend!
> 
> Back to the drawing board...
> -G-
> 
> 

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>Please call 415.536.9453 for ticket info. $15 If you would like to
>offer a ride to this event or need a ride please e-mail Claire at
>Clarityi@aol.com and title the subject   "Light Ride" or "need Light Ride".
> Thank You.  Enjoy Summer while it's here!
>                                                                       Feel
I can offer a ride to this party,   so please contact me.    I live in
Marin but can swing into the city and pick people up there.

Call me at 415-460-9190 (Voice mail) and leave a message,   or Email me
to arrange times and places.    I'm expecting people to share the gas.

Crunchman



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I'm sooo bored at work...*clunk*

so does anyone go to the TOP on Saterday nights? There's little I enjoy
more than chilling out in a nice smoky room and listening to some Drum 'n
Bass... :)
-Alex


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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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In one word:  Intense

In two:   VERY messy

In five or more:  Being christend in wine and featers is actually pretty
fun....


I was @ the forefront of the whole shebang... with waves of humans pressing
me into the stage.. There was a couple to the right of me becoming VERY
intimate, despite the crowds.  To the left was a mad drummer banging away
with his drumsticks to every tune.  Man, do I miss my mosh days....   The
music itself was very dark and tribal but, nothing to my disliking... The
wait seemed impossibly long for them to actually appear... But it was worth
the wait....

Very much so.

Worth waiting to see again as well.

Mmmm, watermelon,

"dance with me"

-Adam
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Just when I was starting to think "I've seen all the people I want to see:
Chems, Orbital, Underworld. What is there left to look forward too ?" , I
get handed a flyer for SASHA & John Digweed playing SF in August.
And I seem to recall that Carl Cox is playing around here soon ( one of the
mags : xlr8r, fix, liquid)
Anyone know anything ?

Peace

KironO


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> Yep, that would be Darren Price. Dunno much about him except that he has a
> 12 on NovaMute.

aka Centuras, aka 'happiness'.  Bloke.

Derek 

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     Here's an update for those of you who replied to my last post on this 
     topic. My friend and I are going to be going to a real estate office 
     this week to fill out some applications. We would like to keep the 
     cost of rent down to about $500 a month each. If we can find a two 
     bedroom for around 1K we will probably take it. But only if it's in a 
     good area(been living in east Redwood City 10 years, tired of getting 
     my car broken in to). I'm not sure how realistic that is but if we 
     can't find anything in that price range we will be recruiting a third 
     roommate, so that we can get a nicer place. For those of you who are 
     still interested, reply back so we can meet. August 1 is going to come 
     pretty fast. Probably won't be partying much this month, I need to 
     save some $$$$. Thanks.
     
     -Renzo
     
     
     
     
     From a previous post:
     
     
     Hello there,
     A friend and I are looking for a third roommate to share a three 
     bedroom house\duplex in the San Mateo area (somewhere between S.F. and 
     S.J.). We are planning on a move-in date of August 1. We are both 21 
     year old males, work full-time, school and party part-time. In to 
     raving, music and hanging out. Very responsible as far as finances go. 
     Let me know if you or anyone you know is interested or know of a 
     possible house available. Later.
     
     -Renzo
     
     please reply directly to renzo@ngc.com


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Hey, would someone PLEASE tell Nancy about the upcoming Harmony, and beg,
plead, bribe, etc. on my behalf for her to attend?  I haven't seen her in a
long time, and I miss her terribly!  Don't know how to contact her, so if
anyone does, please help.

Thanks!!!

:)  - E



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Comments:
(0) Orbital was awesome. Definitely "intelligent dance music". 

(1) Underworld was lightweight pap in comparison. What the fuck was up
    with the lead singer and his guitar. Seemed like he never played
    it, but just hung on to it in some vein attempt at appearsing people's
    rock and roll sensibilities. That was a big turnoff cuz it made them
    seem so phony and "crossover". I was kinda annoyed by some of their
    "pop" songs -- sounded like the kind of crap I tune-out on Live 105.
    (nonetheless, I danced and enjoyed, but left before their encore
    because they seemed to be going on and on and on without any new tricks
    or sounds. (Unlike orbital).

(2) The sound was WAY TOO LOUD (see more comments on the soundsystem below)
    especially given the fact that they had a soundsystem that blew the
    crap out of most rave systems, if operated properly.

(3) I absolutely HATED the DJ'd music between sets and before Orbital
    came on. I am very happy I arrived late enough to miss most of the DJ
    that played before Orbital -- we got there about 15-20 minutes before
    Orbital played. Sounded like music for crackheads and tweakers. It wasn't
    even "good fast" -- just lame-boring-monotonous-completely-devoid-o'-funk
    fast. Sounds like my diskdrive when I "grep" over my whole
    filesystem, except that at least my diskdrive is doing something
    useful. Blech.

--------------------

Replies to others:

--------------------
> anyway.. the one song that starts of with the father talking to the son
> and saying "and next time you see your mother, say hello to SATAN SATAN
> SATAN SATAN... etc..

Isn't this a sample from a Jello Biafra or Dead Kennedy's song??

The song is called "Satan" -- I recently picked up a used CD at Reckless
Records called "Orbital III" by "Internal Records" which contains "Satan"
"L.C.1" and "Belfast" all done in 1991.

> And there was a tub of fresh *free* APPLES, for crying out loud.

Yep. That's a fillmore tradition. Hell, I've seen so many bands there ...
The Dead, Jerry Garcia, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jimmy Cliff, Robyn
Hitchcock, The Radiators, The Neville Brothers, George Clinton, etc etc
etc... The Fillmore is steeped in SF rock/psychedelic vibe and I consider
it a "power spot" for music performance (unlike the Trocadero and the
Warfield, which both suck).

> Techno music is, like vynal, sythetic sounds created from a pre-programmed
> memory which means that they were created at a different frequency then if
> they had been composed by live electronic instrument (such as a guitar).
> Therefore, anytime you play sythicated music through a live, rather then
> rave, speaker system it is going to sound like shit no matter how good the
> bands equipment is (and Orbital's equipment was the bollocks; did anyone
> check that out?)  or the venues PA is.

This is complete and utter bullshit. They had an incredible sound system at
the Fillmore (huge phased arrays of Meyer Sound Labs speakers -- hundreds
of thousands of dollars worth of speakers and amps)... the problem was that
the sound people had it turned up so loud that their system was distorting,
so loud that one's eardrums were "distorting". Painfully loud -- as in
shove a napkin in yer ear to keep yer head from exploding loud.

Actually, the sound started off absolutely horrible and got a little better
over the course of the evening. Within 15 mins into the Orbital, they had
managed to defuzz the high end and put some bass through.

(I was right at the stage, on the left hand side, away from the subwoofers.)

When I finally made it back to the mixing board area, I noticed that the
sound was much better there. Nonetheless, the sound guys seemed to want to
see how loud you could get a system like that (kinda like a newbie getting
behind the wheel of a very powerful car and burning rubber thinking they're
being really "cool" and "macho" when in fact they're just wasting power and
traction).

The sound could have been incredible if the sound guys knew what they were
doing. But chances are, they've been playing a bunch of crappy rave sound
systems and never got behind a real soundsystem capable of incredible
finesse and fidelity.

> The least thing that the they vould have done was to have scraped the house
> system and have got the Whicked system in instead which is a) much louder
> and (most importantly) deeper and b) it is operated by people that really
> understand techno music and how to make it sound good; the sound guy for
> the house did not have a clue.

Yes, the sound folks did not have a clue. But guess what, the Wicked sound
system does not compare to the sound system they have at the Fillmore. It
was sacrilege that they couldn't figure out how to get it to sound better.
I have heard a system like that tuned/operated properly and it was AWESOME.
The system at the Fillmore is certainly adequately loud and deep for the
task, as long as you know how to use it. Fact is, it would have sounded
better if it was quieter. LOUD =/= BETTER.

> What I want to know is bearing in mind that the Fillmore made bank and knew
> that they were going to the least thing they could have done was got in a
> few of those large industrial fans to cool the place down.  But oh yeah I
> forgot, there're only interested in our money so what the fuck do they
> care?

I thought the ventilation was SUPERB. Hot enough to catch a vibe, but cool
enough to not make me feel like passing out. Yes, I was drenched in sweat,
but that's normal considering how much dancing I was doing.

> I didn't know that "rave" speaker equipment is any different from Live
> equipment. Last time I looked speaker technology hasn't changed much in 30
> Years, there's not really that much you can do with paper and magnets.

Actually, a lot has changed in 30 years. People have learned about time
alignment and phasing. Crossover technologies have improved --
Biamplification and active crossovers.  New high-tech materials are being
used for speaker elements. New metallurgy technologies have allowed huge
magnetic fields to be induced across the voice coil with smaller and
lighter magnets.  Ferrofluid cooling allows lots of power to be drawn away
from the voice coil and dissipated by the metal magnets and
frames. Composite materials used in the construction of cabinets, and
better tuning of cabinets... Huge advances in sound.

Beyond that, test equipment for sound has gotten a lot better. It was
pretty hard to get a portable real time spectrum analyzer to equalize your
theaters back in the old days. Now you can go down to a pro audio store and
purchase one for less than $10K. They even have systems that will "listen"
to the sound and correct the sound dynamically and automatically.  (e.g. to
correct for sound absorbtion by the crowd, the air temperature, wind, etc).

Take a listen to a Meyer Sound Labs (IMHO the best speakers on the planet)
system versus one of those old "Electrovoice -- Voice of the Theater"
speakers used back in the 40's-70's. There's a dramatic difference in
clarity, imaging, and "spaciousness" of the sound that wasn't possible in
the old days.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
==    Niels Mayer ..... mayer@netcom.com ..... http://www.eit.com/~mayer   ==
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 11:34:30 1996
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I've got lots of fun pix from the new moon party, the last couple of
sunsets, light, mantra, etc. etc. that I'd love to put up on my web page
for all to enjoy...

However, I don't have easy access to a color scanner to get 'em digitized! 

Can anyone in the SF area (I live and work in the city) help with this?
It'll be fun. 

Thanks!  
:)
Paul


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>Hey, would someone PLEASE tell Nancy about the upcoming Harmony, and beg,
>plead, bribe, etc. on my behalf for her to attend?  I haven't seen her in a
>long time, and I miss her terribly!  Don't know how to contact her, so if
>anyone does, please help.
>
>Thanks!!!
>
>:)  - E


My name is Nancy but I have no idea who you are so it must not be me you
are looking for.  I don't think I'm going to Harmony although I might just
surprise myself and show up there.  There is a boat party on Sunday and
that is definitely what I'm saving my energy for.  Even one of my roommates
who is a 5th grade teacher is going to come.  It should be pretty
memorable.
-nancy



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>(1) Underworld was lightweight pap in comparison. What the fuck was up
>    with the lead singer and his guitar. Seemed like he never played
>    it, but just hung on to it in some vein attempt at appearsing people's
>    rock and roll sensibilities. That was a big turnoff cuz it made them

sounded like he was using it with a vocoder to distort his voice. many
underwold songs have guitar. they just didn't end up playing any and using
guitar samples instead. underworld has always used guitar. they caused a big
stink in the dance world when they started using guitar and vocals in their
songs.


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Sorry, gang!  I should have been more specific: I'm referring to the Nancy
we remember from a while back, who was going to school in Berserkley, and
who's no longer on the list.  Michal sent me a # to try, so maybe I'll
catch her (unless she's no longer reachable where she was while in school).

Thanks!

- E



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> > anyway.. the one song that starts of with the father talking to the son
> > and saying "and next time you see your mother, say hello to SATAN SATAN
> > SATAN SATAN... etc..
> 
> Isn't this a sample from a Jello Biafra or Dead Kennedy's song??

If the sample is:

"Daddy, what's regret mean?  Well son, a funny thing about regret is;
it's better to regret something you have done than to regret something
you haven't.  And by the way, next time you see your mother, be sure
and tell her...  SATAN! SATAN! SATAN!"

then that's the _Butthole Surfers_ back when they made awesome (literally!)
music you wouldn't hear on commercial radio.

Tim

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The other jungle thing Orbital did was called "Times Fly" and is really
quite good . . .


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Well, one reason the Fillmore hasn't been used more is because it only 
recently reopened after the Loma Prieta quake.

David

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On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 MXSNOWMAN@aol.com wrote:

> Ok, Ok. . . 
>        Everyone be nice now. That chick on the phone was a friend of mine.
> She's a nice girl. I didn't think they meant it to be pretentious like that.
> But ou have to admit, thousands of people at 25$ each, I'd be pretty
> pretentious too!!!

My point, exactly!

respect,
kaySEE



              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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What are you talking about?

curious,
kaysee

On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, George Feil wrote:

> Just got word from the source -- no TF this weekend!
> 
> Back to the drawing board...
> -G-
> 
> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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I've always liked orbital, but at the same time I've always felt like I
didn't quite get their message.  After seeing them at the Fillmore, I feel
like I know a little more about them and I thought I'd share it.

Toward the end of their set, they played some great song that made me
really happy--SATAN? Halycon? I'm not sure.  It was a song rich in funky
beats, changes, melodies, humor and power.  In short, it reminded me how
powerful and interesting techno music is and how I love the feeling of
being absorbed into a rave.

THEN, they played a song I didn't recognize that was much slower and less
"distinctive."  I stopped dancing and watched the screens.  They were
flashing images of people walking down city streets, hurriedly,
distractedly.  The overall feeling was of confused and compulsive movement,
or maybe of a conspiracy of silence between everyone. This struck me as a
very familiar feeling.  And why not? the images could have been filmed on
any old street corner.  They could have been filmed outside the Fillmore
earlier that day.  They were scenes we see and participate in every single
day.

Seeing that made me think orbital was taking a moment to remind us about
what our lives are like outside of raves.  In the rave, we can be fully at
attention and drawn together, but outside of them, an overriding
distraction and distance and non-communication is the norm.

It struck me how perfect it was to play this song AFTER a really up-tempo
song--as if orbital wanted to put our excitement about raving into
perspective.  And then it didn't seem like a slow, undistinctive song
anymore--it was a reflective song and sort of sad --maybe not sad, I don't
know--but very rich and interesting.

The song really got under my skin and gave me a feeling that is hard to
describe, but it wasn't the power of raging techno.  When I saw the
pictures I recognized my life--how I walk around streets just like everyone
else, along with everyone else, distracted like everyone else.  The song
seemed to be alerting me/us to this fact.  It wasn't a judgement or the
films would have been flashing the words "WAKE UP!" or something.  It was
more like it was showing us an aspect of life we all know and asking--"What
is going on here?  What sense does this make?  Why does it happen?"  The
tone of the music made me feel like the images were pointing more towards a
question then a conclusion.  So I guess the feeling I got was a gentle sort
of questioning towards our world.  To me, that is a rare and special
feeling because my first reaction to our world is always to feel bitter and
helpless.

With that song, Orbital made a link in my mind between the feeling of being
absorbed in a rave and being absorbed into distractedness outside of raves.
It was like Orbital had given us two feelings to chew on: raving, which
can feel definitively good, and non raving, which can feel ambiguous and
strange.  They were posing the feeling of non raving as a question--"what
is up here?  How does it feel to be part of it?" --and that made me feel
like I could move in the world a little differently.


Ti-Fred









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> Orbital played a set that was largely verbatim off their new CD - I
> mean note for note, no mixing, no playing around, no nothing - they
> seemed to be jumping around a lot in order to hide the fact that they had
> nothing to do on stage except press play occasionally.

You must not have been paying very close attention :)

Every time a 303 line came in, one of the Orbitalites would start
tweeking it, playing around with the filter cut-off and resonance,
and you could hear the sound change accordingly.

They were also playing around with the mixer the whole time.  You may
have noticed numerous instances where the beat was suddenly swathed
in reverb or delay for a single hit, and then back to normal, or some
playing around with stereo effects, or some tweeking on the Jupiter 6.

Someone mentioned they left before Underworld came back on for their
encore.  *big mistake*  I'll admit that I was getting a little bored
with their set towards the end, but this last song, "Cowgirl" I believe,
absolutely kicked.  I went nuts.

	Sami

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   Kaysee- I was wondering the same thing;). He later posted explaining 
that he meant Tribal * FUNK* not future.
                             Reagan





On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, KaySEE wrote:

> 
> What are you talking about?
> 
> curious,
> kaysee
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, George Feil wrote:
> 
> > Just got word from the source -- no TF this weekend!
> > 
> > Back to the drawing board...
> > -G-
> > 
> > 
> 
>               ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****
> 
> 

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Interesting perspective, seeing that song is on the single called "The Box" :)
Guess your "box" got opened.  Cool. 

Rick

At 01:16 PM 6/26/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I've always liked orbital, but at the same time I've always felt like I
>didn't quite get their message.  After seeing them at the Fillmore, I feel
>like I know a little more about them and I thought I'd share it.
>
>Toward the end of their set, they played some great song that made me
>really happy--SATAN? Halycon? I'm not sure.  It was a song rich in funky
>beats, changes, melodies, humor and power.  In short, it reminded me how
>powerful and interesting techno music is and how I love the feeling of
>being absorbed into a rave.
>
>THEN, they played a song I didn't recognize that was much slower and less
>"distinctive."  I stopped dancing and watched the screens.  They were
>flashing images of people walking down city streets, hurriedly,
>distractedly.  The overall feeling was of confused and compulsive movement,
>or maybe of a conspiracy of silence between everyone. This struck me as a
>very familiar feeling.  And why not? the images could have been filmed on
>any old street corner.  They could have been filmed outside the Fillmore
>earlier that day.  They were scenes we see and participate in every single
>day.
>
>Seeing that made me think orbital was taking a moment to remind us about
>what our lives are like outside of raves.  In the rave, we can be fully at
>attention and drawn together, but outside of them, an overriding
>distraction and distance and non-communication is the norm.
>
>It struck me how perfect it was to play this song AFTER a really up-tempo
>song--as if orbital wanted to put our excitement about raving into
>perspective.  And then it didn't seem like a slow, undistinctive song
>anymore--it was a reflective song and sort of sad --maybe not sad, I don't
>know--but very rich and interesting.
>
>The song really got under my skin and gave me a feeling that is hard to
>describe, but it wasn't the power of raging techno.  When I saw the
>pictures I recognized my life--how I walk around streets just like everyone
>else, along with everyone else, distracted like everyone else.  The song
>seemed to be alerting me/us to this fact.  It wasn't a judgement or the
>films would have been flashing the words "WAKE UP!" or something.  It was
>more like it was showing us an aspect of life we all know and asking--"What
>is going on here?  What sense does this make?  Why does it happen?"  The
>tone of the music made me feel like the images were pointing more towards a
>question then a conclusion.  So I guess the feeling I got was a gentle sort
>of questioning towards our world.  To me, that is a rare and special
>feeling because my first reaction to our world is always to feel bitter and
>helpless.
>
>With that song, Orbital made a link in my mind between the feeling of being
>absorbed in a rave and being absorbed into distractedness outside of raves.
>It was like Orbital had given us two feelings to chew on: raving, which
>can feel definitively good, and non raving, which can feel ambiguous and
>strange.  They were posing the feeling of non raving as a question--"what
>is up here?  How does it feel to be part of it?" --and that made me feel
>like I could move in the world a little differently.
>
>
>Ti-Fred
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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At 01:16 PM 6/26/96 -0800, you wrote:

>Toward the end of their set, they played some great song that made me
>really happy--SATAN? Halycon? 

I think SATAN was the crazy one that they played at the end. "If you see
your mother tell her
SATAN...SATAN...SATAN"

>
>THEN, they played a song I didn't recognize that was much slower and less
>"distinctive."  I stopped dancing and watched the screens.

The song after the encore was "Halcyon + on + on" . I know because its one
of my favorite Orbital tracks, and is off the Second Album (Brown cover).  I
saw on the Orbital mailing list that Halcyon was the name of an
anti-depressant prescribed in the 60's to their mom. 
I tnink the track is both sad ( & beautiful), as is most of the new album.
Especially track 5 .I put it on when i got home yesterday and just thought
it was amazing how much emotion can be conveyed without words......

Peace

KironO

p.s. Jake & Ellen : sorry there was no room to give you guys a ride from
Berkeley to Richmond.


  


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Hey y'all!


>> What's this Mantra.  Is this a weekly on Sundays?  Hmmmm can I get more
>> info on this from anyone. I'd like to check it....if the trancedance is
>> nice...
>
> The trancedance is AMAZING! 


Regarding this Mantra thing..


Mantra happens every Sunday from 10p to 3a.

It's put on by Phillip (aka Theta Blip), Starbuck, Surge, Jennifer and many
others.

For clarity, the lineup was Dutch, then Ceiba (a Kode IV side project wich
includes Peter Z. and DJ Caban a.k.a Adam), who played live and Dj'd.

Adam used to be with F-8, but is now partners with myself and some friends
at our new distribution company, Hunab Ku.   


> The MANTRA flyer emphasises the "psychedelic" aspect of the music, and 
>that was obvious in the music I heard this Sunday. I, and a lot of other 
>folks , were definitely transporting! I would recommend that folks check
>out this weekly - I live in Sunnyvale, so I had to make MANTRA a special
>event that I may not repeat too often, although I like my first time there
>very much! Doesn't seem as though they need to "get the word out" to 
>increase attendance though, as the place was pretty full by 11:30-12:30. 


"Psychedelic" is definitely the word! As Hunab Ku, we're shying away from
the word "Goa" trance, and  using the term "psychedelic". It seems to be
much more appropriate for what we're doing. Especially since now the music
we're carring is coming from all over the world (literally)!


Stay tuned for some upcoming releases...

KODE IV/Ceiba - Moon and the Sun remix, Superstition Records, GR, due in August
Ceiba SF compilation CD - due out end of August on Ceiba Records, SF
Ceiba - Firestarter 12", Ceiba Records, SF

>
> Nice dayglo handpainted draperies  , rudimentary visuals without video 
>( that was fine with me! ), great dancefloor vibe. 


The dance energy was amazing! I planned on going home at 1am, but couldn't
leave because the vibe was sooooo good. I had to be at work at 7am, but it
was worth it!

Thanks for all the wonderful feedback, everyone! In case your interested,
the info line is 415.331-1500 x. 888

resonantly yours,


Jonas & Adam


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 14:45:42 1996
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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Welcoming Summer Blunder - BM
To: Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net>
Cc: sfraves <sfraves@hyperreal.com>,
        "INTERNET:blkadder@value." <blkadder@value.net>
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>>        Oh,  not that it was fun falling off the damn thing;). Man, did we  appreciate the hot springs after that. Warning: Folks,
>>don't try this at BM.
>>                                          Reagan

It is much easier to interpret these messages when you have a picture of who is writing them. An insight into the person
behind the prose, some kind of mental picture to aid the process. Now I know who I have been typing to. And I feel so
silly.

Take Care,
                        Jason

P.S. I think you would have faired well, if you hadn't arrived at the one of the muddiest points of BM.





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Well, we can always find a bit of something to talk about.. or complain.

Sound will always be a problem, becuase we always want more..  But the fact
that the sound was elevated is something we have to deal with.. Elevated
sound sucks..

One question..

Here, do you get into the "speaker fuck" thing.

Just wondering.. because back at home all of our sound is always on the
floor in a big wall..

In NYC, they mostly have raves in clubs were the damn sound is up in the
ceiling somewhere.. Hence you get the hidious circle dance thing going.

Just a question.
johnsin



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ok. the pictures are now up with nice html to back them up. =)
at:
http://www.cyborganic.com/people/erase/calm/tribal_future/tribal.html

enjoy!


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Does anyone know of any local DJs who spin good, mellow trip-hop? I've
heard a unch of Portishead, Massive Attack and Tricky and I want to own
more of this smooth trippy music... I want to hook up some good mixtapes.

-m.


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Subject: Re: waaah! No Tribal Fut -- er, Funk -- this Sat.
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Oops -- looks as though I caught my left hand interfering with the
right hand again. It's Tribal Funk that isn't happening this Sat.

> What are you talking about?
> 
> curious,
> kaysee
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, George Feil wrote:
> 
> > Just got word from the source -- no TF this weekend!





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  npm == Niels P Mayer <mayer@netcom.com>

  npm> (1) Underworld was lightweight pap in comparison. What the fuck was up
  npm>     with the lead singer and his guitar. Seemed like he never played
  npm>     it, but just hung on to it in some vein attempt at appearsing
  npm>     people's rock and roll sensibilities. That was a big turnoff
  npm>     cuz it made them seem so phony and "crossover". I was kinda
  npm>     annoyed by some of their "pop" songs -- sounded like the kind
  npm>     of crap I tune-out on Live 105.  (nonetheless, I danced and
  npm>     enjoyed, but left before their encore because they seemed to
  npm>     be going on and on and on without any new tricks or
  npm>     sounds. (Unlike orbital).

I'll leave your assessment of Underworld's songwriting talents alone,
because I know well how differently people regard Underworld. I happen to
like the vocals and the more pop feel they bring to some of their songs,
and have a hard time imagining Underworld on Live 105. But I will say, as
Brendan did earlier, that Karl was using the guitar to control the
frequency input of a vocoder. You can hear it more clearly on the album.
He basically was just playing one chord, but occasionally he would
switch, for effect. A neat trick, albeit a neat trick taken straight from
the progressive rock of the late 70s.

  npm> (2) The sound was WAY TOO LOUD (see more comments on the
  npm>     soundsystem below) especially given the fact that they 
  npm>     had a soundsystem that blew the crap out of most rave systems,
  npm>     if operated properly.

No shit. The distortion on the treble was the worst, because it turned
merely loud music into shrieking walls of distortion, which can be cool
in its own right, but I don't think was the effect that Orbital were
reaching for. Plus it left my ears feeling sorely abused the next day and
had me thinking nervously about hearing damage.

  npm> (3) I absolutely HATED the DJ'd music between sets and before
  npm>     Orbital came on. I am very happy I arrived late enough to 
  npm>     miss most of the DJ that played before Orbital -- we got there
  npm>     about 15-20 minutes before Orbital played. Sounded like music
  npm>     for crackheads and tweakers. It wasn't even "good fast" --
  npm>     just lame-boring-monotonous-completely-devoid-o'-funk
  npm>     fast. Sounds like my diskdrive when I "grep" over my whole
  npm>     filesystem, except that at least my diskdrive is doing
  npm>     something useful. Blech.

:p Darren Price's mixing was one of my favorite things about the whole
show. His music may have been repetitive and devoid of funk, but both of
those things can be good, when employed properly. Machine music has its
own aesthetic, as do the harder sounds that we don't normally get to hear
in San Francisco. I personally thought Darren Price's set was the
antithesis of lame and boring, but I also thought that it was the
antithesis of the typical SF sound (whatever the hell _that_ means these
days). Take from that what you will. And, for the record, I'm straight
edge and always have been. Although I've heard it said that I somehow
manage to be a tweaker just the same.

  >> anyway.. the one song that starts of with the father talking to the son
  >> and saying "and next time you see your mother, say hello to SATAN
  >> SATAN SATAN SATAN... etc..
  npm> 
  npm> Isn't this a sample from a Jello Biafra or Dead Kennedy's song??

It's by the Butthole Surfers and is, I believe, from the _Hairway To
Steven_ LP.

  npm> The song is called "Satan" -- I recently picked up a used CD at Reckless
  npm> Records called "Orbital III" by "Internal Records" which contains
  npm> "Satan" "L.C.1" and "Belfast" all done in 1991.

"Satan" also appears on Orbital's debut LP, simply entitled _Orbital_
(it's been dubbed "the Green Album" to distinguish it from the also
untitled "Brown Album", which was Orbital's second LP). Anybody who was
impressed by Orbital's set Monday night and who doesn't already own the
Green and Brown albums should run right out and buy them. They're both
definitive techno classics.

  >> The least thing that the they vould have done was to have scraped 
  >> the house system and have got the Whicked system in instead which is
  >> a) much louder and (most importantly) deeper and b) it is operated
  >> by people that really understand techno music and how to make it
  >> sound good; the sound guy for the house did not have a clue.
  npm> 
  npm> Yes, the sound folks did not have a clue. But guess what, the
  npm> Wicked sound system does not compare to the sound system they have
  npm> at the Fillmore. 

No shit. I don't know what's up with the preposterous amount of
veneration that the Purple People Pusher gets in SF. I've been a lurker
on this list for years and years, and heard the hype about the new Wicked
system before they even bought it. I was completely psyched about getting
a chance to hear it, and was then very disappointed when I finally
did. IMHO, the Wicked system lacks punch and clarity, both of which are
things I value over sheer volume and gut-wrenching bass. Maybe I'm just
getting old, but as a DJ, I prefer the music to sound something like what
the artist recorded, and not a woofy muffled caricature of same.

  >> What I want to know is bearing in mind that the Fillmore made bank 
  >> and knew that they were going to the least thing they could have
  >> done was got in a few of those large industrial fans to cool the
  >> place down.  But oh yeah I forgot, there're only interested in our
  >> money so what the fuck do they care?
  npm> 
  npm> I thought the ventilation was SUPERB. Hot enough to catch a vibe, 
  npm> but cool enough to not make me feel like passing out. Yes, I was
  npm> drenched in sweat, but that's normal considering how much dancing
  npm> I was doing.

Yeah, I completely didn't get this comment. I was dancing as hard as I
ever have all night long and actually noticed at several points in the
evening how cool it was for a place that crowded. Of course, that might
have been because I was standing towards the back, but really, it wasn't
that bad.

anywhere, just a few more random comments,
ozymandias

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 16:36:41 1996
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>  >> anyway.. the one song that starts of with the father talking to the son
>  >> and saying "and next time you see your mother, say hello to SATAN
>  >> SATAN SATAN SATAN... etc..
>  npm>
>  npm> Isn't this a sample from a Jello Biafra or Dead Kennedy's song??
>
>It's by the Butthole Surfers and is, I believe, from the _Hairway To
>Steven_ LP.

93
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Leaf", the best cover of Sweet Leaf ever.
Tim
93/93


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Jello!

thought it needed to be said.

i hope your day is treating you as well as mine is!

i love you all-

matt l


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Matt is one sweet cat!  (Yes, I'm comfortable saying that ;))

Seconding the emotion,
Eric P.

>Jello!
>
>thought it needed to be said.
>
>i hope your day is treating you as well as mine is!
>
>i love you all-
>
>matt l



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mayer@netcom.com wrote:

>    Sounded like music for crackheads and tweakers. It wasn't
>    even "good fast" -- just lame-boring-monotonous-completely-devoid-o'-funk
>    fast. Sounds like my diskdrive when I "grep" over my whole
>    filesystem, except that at least my diskdrive is doing something
>    useful. Blech.

Y'know, it's funny you mention that.  I've noticed lately that doing a 
"dir/s/o-d" of my 16 gig Maxtor external drive (so big it comes with it's 
own ZIP code) it makes this cool, bip-buzz-zupzup sound that's got a 
trancey/ambient/jungle-sans-bass feel to it.  Lately I'll do a "dir" just 
for the heck of it and sit in my chair, bopping and snapping my fingers to 
that funky beat...

j/k

S


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It means Initial Public Offering - when a company goes public with their
stock and the employees generally make a lot of money. The fact that you
didn't know is probably a sign that you're a healthy person! :-)
-nate


At 11:00 PM 6/24/96, THX-1138 wrote:
>Hey Eric;
>
>        What's an IPO?
>
>-------------------------------------
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Hey all!

So who out there's goin to check out Derrick May on Friday?  I was gonna 
bring my friend but she flaked out on my, so I'm hoofin it alone! :(  I'd 
like to know what other sfravers I will run into so I can say hi! :)


Love,
Shawna

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My friend Sara lost a back pack at sunset on Sunday.  It had some important
stuff in it, her purse among others. 
 
The pack is a Black Jansport with a leather bottom. 
 
It was last seen to the right side of the sight if your facing the bay. 
Hopefully someone picked it up by mistake as it got dark.  We couldn't find
it before we left. 
 
--erik

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From: bigz@bigz.com (Jon Zimmerman)
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Hey, why don't you sample that, sounds like fun...

Jon


At  5:23 PM 6/26/96 -0700, My other car is a Pentium... wrote:
>mayer@netcom.com wrote:
>
>>    Sounded like music for crackheads and tweakers. It wasn't
>>    even "good fast" -- just lame-boring-monotonous-completely-devoid-o'-funk
>>    fast. Sounds like my diskdrive when I "grep" over my whole
>>    filesystem, except that at least my diskdrive is doing something
>>    useful. Blech.
>
>Y'know, it's funny you mention that.  I've noticed lately that doing a
>"dir/s/o-d" of my 16 gig Maxtor external drive (so big it comes with it's
>own ZIP code) it makes this cool, bip-buzz-zupzup sound that's got a
>trancey/ambient/jungle-sans-bass feel to it.  Lately I'll do a "dir" just
>for the heck of it and sit in my chair, bopping and snapping my fingers to
>that funky beat...
>
>j/k
>
>S

Jon Zimmerman
(415)664-6645
bigz@bigz.com
http://www.bigz.com



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From: Karen Hardie <eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com>
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Subject: All the negative Orbital reviews
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I've been following this thread with curiosity, as i'm going to be seeing 
Orbital with Vapourspace here on the 29th (yip!yip! yahoo!) and one thing 
which puzzles me is .... all the bad reviews of their MUSIC which seem to 
be popping up. 

Granted, it sounds like the sound system wasn't up to par, but i would
assume most of you knew what Orbital's music (sans lousy speakers) is like
to begin with?  why then the disappointment with it? 

I admit my favorite album is "Why" cos it is the most "danceable" cd they 
have, but i also enjoy all the rest ... or is it that the negative music 
reviews are coming from fans of Underworld who don't actually listen to 
much Orbital?

puzzled,
k

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 Hey baby. . . 

          That outfit looks very becoming on you. I know if I were it, I'd be
coming too.

or

          Damn, you must clean your pants with Windex, cuz I could sure see
myself in em.

or

         Hey baby, how bout you and me go get naked, rub strawberry jelly all
over ourselves, and run through the streets of SF singing "I'm a little tea
pot ?"


          Just a mild excursion.



               Aryck

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Subject: WaNnUhh bE MiE FrIend??? Huh??? DooooooooooooYa?????
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        So, my names Aryck (Eric). I love to go dancing during the weekends
(raves), but only one or two of my friends ever go with me. I have a
girlfriend that usually goes, but I always want to go when she doesn't and
vice versa. I love going, dancing, and having a good time. Right now I work
from 7am-330pm m-f, and go to Heald Intstitute of Technology from
600pm-1035pm m-f. About the only thing that makes me unwind is dancing like a
maniac until the wee hours of the mornin. 
        I'm just seein if anyone might want to go with me every whenever so I
won't be alone. I usually drive, and if possible, I can usually take 3 or 4
other people. As long as you're cool, have a clean vibe, and don't mind being
around friendly people, you're allright with me.
         Just so you all know: I'm 6'1 1/2", Green eyes, about 185-190 lbs.
Shaved head (usually colored). More of a skater/snowboarder type person. I
race motocross,  snowboard, go to the gym, go to school, work, and whatever
else.

      !!!This isn't a self promotion!!! 
     
          So mail me sometime if you are interested. But I don't think my
job'll pay me for another week or two. 

          I live in San Lorenzo, between Hayward and San Leandro.


         Aryck

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So, were there any Fillmore posters afterwards ?

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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Jon Zimmerman wrote:
 
>   Therefore, anytime you
> >play sythicated music through a live, rather then rave, speaker system
> >it is going to sound like shit no matter how good the bands equipment is
> >(and Orbital's equipment was the bollocks; did anyone check that out?)
> >or the venues PA is.
>   I didn't know that "rave" speaker equipment is any different from Live
> equipment. Last time I looked speaker technology hasn't changed much in 30
> years, there's not really that much you can do with paper and magnets.
 
        Actually there is a lot you can do with paper, kevlar, aluminium,
other alloys, steel, copper wire, plywood and alot has changed in the last
30 years...  Take a listen to the EAW 325 cabs that are making their way 
out to parties these days. Better yet, stand right up at the them but off
to the side and than walk in front and around to the other side. Those
things throw in an amazingly wide arc! But that was not the point being
refuted.
 
        The point that was being made was that the house sound engineer at
the Fillmore was tuning the noise for a live band instead of for techno  
because many sound engineers who work with live bands and exclusively live
bands do not understand techno and for some reason, crank the mids and   
highs to painful levels which has the effect of totally killing the music
for many people. If you can aren't affected by levels being tweaked
poorly, consider yourself lucky...
 
        Whether or not one likes tristan's presentation of his point, one
doesn't have to get all defense about the SF scence. No one seemed to
have taken great offense to someone calling dark, hard techno shite. But
as soon as the SF vibe comes under attack, people are throwing their arms
in the air yelling and screaming. There are things we have to learn from
the british (or maybe more to the point, the Scottish festi...) vibe, and
there are things that they could take from SF. So before attacking the
"outsider", why don't we see what he's talking about?
 
dave


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Hello?

Well, I went to the Troc. on Tues. with my tired, tired boyfriend.  I was
hoping to see Crash Worship.  We stayed through the LAME opening acts and
waited the two hours until Crash finally came onstage but by that time I was
so hungry and tired and wasn't tall enough to see anything anyway(even if the
smoke hadn't been impeding my vision) that we left at 12:05.  I was totally
bumbed.  So just to add to my bumbedness I would like to know what I missed.
 If anyone has the time to respond to this I will read every word.  Thank
you.

Later,

           Megan                   Czefir    :(

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On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Eric P. Peterson wrote:

> Hey, would someone PLEASE tell Nancy about the upcoming Harmony, and beg,
> plead, bribe, etc. on my behalf for her to attend?  I haven't seen her in a
> long time, and I miss her terribly!  Don't know how to contact her, so if
> anyone does, please help.
> 
> Thanks!!!
> 
> :)  - E
> 
> 
>HEY!  Nice to know I'm so loved.  :)   Yeah, I'm here, on the fringes, 
forced by circumstance to lurk only, scanning hundreds of messages in the 
space of a few minutes, every week or so...but I try to catch the most 
pertinent information (like HARMONY), and try not to be too sad that I'm 
missing out on all the juicy day-to-day happenings in the world of SFR...

*BP* the underground lives!
There's a party this Friday night that I believe may help fill 
underground void...

Meridian
$5 B4 midnight/$7 after
put on by Bay Area Underground 
(including a friend of mine, DJ Sati, who I know is coming from the right 
place - and BTW spins killer trance)

DJ's Sati-Cloud-Dan Barnes-Moshe-Neil-several others :)

call the voicemail to see what I mean (415) 487-7681


This is their second party - the first about two months *went off*, from 
what I heard.  They're trying to build the right vibe -- let's support 
this one!!

See ya Friday night
Peace to the Family
Love, N

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>So, were there any Fillmore posters afterwards ?

nope. :(


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Renaud asked me to forward this to the list...
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In a previous mail, Niels P. Mayer wrote:
> 
> (3) I absolutely HATED the DJ'd music between sets and before Orbital
>     Sounded like music for crackheads and tweakers. It wasn't
>     even "good fast" -- just lame-boring-monotonous-completely-devoid-o'-funk
>     fast. Sounds like my diskdrive when I "grep" over my whole
>     filesystem, except that at least my diskdrive is doing something
>     useful. Blech.

	No shit! I could have gone then!! :)

	According to another review, it was tracks from Reload, uh? 
	Sounded like greppin' a filesystem? But man, you should know that 
	actually the Reload artists are the only ones of the planet who
	use Unix for their stuff...
	Try it yourself: grep a defragmented partition near the border of the
	disk: you get a low zouik-zouik sound. Grep a fragmented partition
	close to the center of the disk: kwik-kwik-kwik. Do both of them,
	alternatively suspending/resuming the grep jobs or adjusting their
	respective priority, add some beats, a bassline of 303, and a good 
	infrabass booming sound... 
	_THIS_ IS TECHNO!!! ;-)
	
> [sound system]

	I can only agree: I actually heard the same good sound system in 
	the same location twice, for two different raves, tuned by two 
	different teams: it was completely different, I hardly believed 
	that the stuff involved was the same!
	The *tuning* makes a HUGE difference!!

	And I've been once in my life to a rave setup and organized by
	real concert professionnals: awesome, the sound was crisp and clear
	and still bumping and loud while not hurting... Definitely different.
	A _free_ great fucking massive guys, incredible.

Renaud

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The funniest line I ever got was when a bunch of workmen called out "hey
baby, nice tits - you won't get many of those to the pound."  I tried to
look annoyed but I started to laugh so I had to duck into the nearest
store so they wouldn't see me cracking up...

creativity goes a long way....

	Ranting and Raving

	   ** jess **

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 MXSNOWMAN@aol.com wrote:

>  Hey baby. . . 
> 
>           That outfit looks very becoming on you. I know if I were it, I'd be
> coming too.
> 
> or
> 
>           Damn, you must clean your pants with Windex, cuz I could sure see
> myself in em.
> 
> or
> 
>          Hey baby, how bout you and me go get naked, rub strawberry jelly all
> over ourselves, and run through the streets of SF singing "I'm a little tea
> pot ?"
> 
> 
>           Just a mild excursion.
> 
> 
> 
>                Aryck
> 
> 


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Karen Hardie <eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com> wrote:
>one thing which puzzles me is .... all the bad reviews of their MUSIC
>which seem to be popping up.

???

Out of the last hundred or so messages in my box, I see fourteen people
commenting on the show, one negative and the rest completely positive, with
remarks like "excellent," "awesome," "extremely impressed,"
"amfuckngmazing," "completely new and exciting," "huge tunes,"
"demi-gods"...

anarch@scruznet.com



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Wed Jun 26 23:00:33 1996
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hello all-

today's word of the day is "Jello!"

i'm hard at work on a web-site due to be done by monday, so i won't be
sleeping much over the next 5 days.

if anyone wants to say hello, i could sure use the e-mail right now as i
type away for the next 2-3 hours.  

i love you all, and i hope you're enjoying your
partying/sleeping/whatevering right now

matt l


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From: Flux Television <flux@hyperreal.com>
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Subject: Re: Orbital/Underworld comments | posters
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I asked the Fillmore "greeter" about the posters, and he said they don't 
produce them unless the show sells out in advance. The
Orbital/Underworld show didn't sell out till that day I guess.           
                                                                         
On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Parsec 99 wrote: 

> >So, were there any Fillmore posters afterwards ?
> 
> nope. :(
> 
> 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 03:50:48 1996
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Once again, a lovely gathering of folks!  That garth fella sure do rock!
 Only negafactor being that I lost my pager.  If ya happen to have found it,
lemme know.  I Suppose you probably wouldn't have, seeing how I painted it
camoflauge, (dont ask)
StEvEo
P.S.  Next week, I say we round up a posse, and hunt down these sunset
gremlins who've been heisting our goods!

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All that could be said has been, a great show indeed.  Much thanks to Rick R.
who proposed the Hand Holding Circle during the Rez encore.  I was happy to
see it grow even if for a short while, ( a hard thing to do when the floor
was still as packed as it was all night)  But will someone please inform the
girl in the black babydoll shirt that when one goes to grab her hand during a
Rez finale, it is NOT A COME ON!  Jeebers sister, try to lighten up, if only
for a moment in time, I just want to be your friend!  Ultra thanks to all
those who participated in that circle! 
Love & Life,
StEvEo

P.S. Ian, I felt you there brother!  You'll be with us always!


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 03:50:56 1996
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>>Seeing that made me think orbital was taking a moment to remind us about
what our lives are like outside of...<<<

Couldn't agree with you more.  Although those visuals wouldn't have been
appropriate at any party, it was great to absorb them as a head check, in an
environment where generally people were a bit more sober and open to that
sort of holistic perspective.
-StEvEo

Someone posted this a while back, a chinese proverb-
 "A jade is not polished without friction.."
Not totally relative to this point, but none the less complimentary.

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 05:44:38 1996
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My friend spent the whole night working on an emergency in downtown 
San Francisco.  At 5:30 am he went out to his car to move it, and found 
that it was ticketed for being parked in a tow-away zone.  The problem? 
The space was not to become a tow-away zone until 6 am!  He called 
the Police Dept., and of course, they can't take a report, and suggested 
that he just go to Traffic Court and tell the judge.  So even though he 
was in the right, he has to lose half a day's wages to report the SF 
Parking "error."

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 08:32:16 1996
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thanx to all for your immediate and vehemently positive responses :)  now 
i'm REALLY looking forward to Orbital .... and wishing kinda that 
Underworld was gonna be there too *pout* oh well i'll have to make do 
with Vapourspace.

k

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 10:15:36 1996
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Subject: the word for the day is....
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hello all-

the word for the day is

BUNJEE!!

kudos and lots of love to the person who can use the word "BUNJEE" in
their post today.  doesn't need to conform to the standary dictionary
definition, i'm looking for creativity here.

good luck and much love to you all-

matt l


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 10:16:47 1996
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Subject: anybody has trish (from the tahoe trip)'s number?
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hello all-

anyone with the tahoe list handy, i need trish's number.  i need to call
her today and she'll be mighty pissed if i don't

thanks!!!!

love-

matt l


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Subject: details for tonight's meeting?
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hello all-

anyone have the details for tonight's BBQ and BEATS meeting?

love-

matt l


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 10:19:33 1996
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>Hey baby. . . 

I know milk does a body good, but how much milk have you been 
drinking?!

Cajun style: Mmm-MM!  I'd like to dip you in BBQ sauce 
and work you like a rib!

>"hey baby, nice tits - you won't get many of those to the pound."
>
>That outfit looks very becoming on you. I know if I were it, 
>I'd be coming too.
>
>Damn, you must clean your pants with Windex, cuz I could sure 
>see myself in em.
>
>Hey baby, how bout you and me go get naked, rub strawberry jelly
>all over ourselves, and run through the streets of SF singing 
>"I'm a little tea pot ?"



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 10:23:50 1996
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From: Paul Abramson <pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU>
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Hey folks,

Got a website up now with pictures from nikita 6/14, new moon (6/15), and
sunset (6/16).  many more coming soon as I scan more.... :) :)

p.s. if you recognize any of the "???" people in the pix please drop me a
note!  

it's at

http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~pabrams/

enjoy!
:)
Paul



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p.s. people from sfraves already up include

Todd (SDream)
Tony Rotundo
Julie Mills
Sarah Slaymaker
Jess Fogler
Renaud Waldura
Shawna McGourty (albeit a little small)

aren't they all so CUTE!!!?

:)
paul
http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~pabrams/


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Hi everybody-

 I came across this post on UK-Dance this morning.  I think it would be great 
if we helped her out.

-Just being thoughtful, Todd

_________________________________________________________________________________________________


Date: Thu, 27 Jun 96 12:08:00 PDT
From: Place Joanna <joanna.place@barclaycard.co.uk>
Subject: San Fransisco


Dear All

I am off to the sunny climes of San Fransisco in 2 weeks time for a couple 
of weeks holiday. Can anyone recommend any good house clubs, friends, 
general places of interest (besides the beaches), etc??

Many thanks in advance

Jo
O:-) still practising
______________________________________________________________________________________________________


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Hey knucklehead,

I'll probably be at the meeting tonight, but I've put my flyer ideas on my
page anyway...

contact me for the URL.

-m.


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feel free to spread this around, add to it, or whatever. it came from my
friend thadius on mt. shasta...



>Grafitti
>
>God is a circle whos center is everywhere but whos circumference is nowhere
>For further information consult your Pineal gland.
>If you don't care where you are, then you are not lost.
>My inner child can beat up your inner child.
>Just to be is a blessing
>Just to live is holy
>You live and learn. Or you don't live long.
>We learn from history that we don't learn from history.
>Dare to be Stupid.
>Time is an illusion perpetrated by the manufacturers of space.
>He who lives without folly is less wise than he believes.
>If you can't beat 'em..........there not tied down properly!
>Don't look now but there is a multi-legged creature on your shoulder.
>He who hates vice hates mankind.
>You can't be late until you show up.
>To become divine is to become attuned in thought feeling and act to the
>whole of creation
>I wish you humans would leave me alone.
>The door is the key.
>Change your thoughts and you change your world.
>Troubles are like babies they only grow by nursing.
>Question Authority--and the Authorities will question you.
>You have been selected for a secret mission.
>Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
>Do not merely believe in miracles, rely on them.
>Be excellent to each other.
>Animals can be driven crazy by placing too many of them in a pen.The man
>who makes no mistake does not usually make anything.
>Second star on the right and keep going til dawn.
>Fine, DON'T have a nice day, see if I care.
>In this life we are to become heaven, so that God might find a home here
>The only difference between a rut and a grave is their dimensions.
>But I don't like Spam!!!
>Don't take life to seriously, you'll never get out of it alive.
>Confidence: a feeling peculiar to the stage just before full comprehension
>of the problem.
>There are trivial truths and there are great truths.  The opposite of a
>trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also
>true.
>
>Those students who have become one with the Universe will be allowed to go
>on and become two with the universe.
>
>Every absurdity needs a champion to defend it.
>The meek will inherit the Earth .  The rest of us will go to the stars.
>Wonders never cease, as long as you never cease to wonder.
>It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
>It's easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.If it's
>comprehensible its obsolete.
>And the less I seek my source for some definitive, the closer I am to fine...
>I live like this because I like it. I've seen to much to pretend.
>So...so you think you can tell...heaven from hell.
>I've come along way since I believed in anything.
>Truly the road to Enlightenment is like unto a half mile of broken glass.
>Reality is the temporary result of the struggle between rival gangs of
>programmers.
>I...I believe in love.
>You can't lick the system, but you can certainly give it a damn good fondling!
>I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables!
>Secret to long life and prosperity: don't spin too fast.
>You mean, you need drugs to hallucinate?
>We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.
>For every foolproof invention there is a new and improved fool.
>If I were you .. I would dance naked in the streets just to embarrass you!
>Life is what happens while you are making other plans.
>Time is a great teacher, but it kills all its students.
>The only real problem in life is what to do next.
>Only YOU can prevent forest fires.
>Think "HONK" if your a telepath.
>Do not call up what you cannot put on hold.
>I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little death that
>brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.  I will permit it to pass
>over me and through me.  And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to
>see its path.  Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will
>remain.
>
>Never attempt to distract a masturbating Gorilla.
>The quickest way to a mans heart is through his ribcage.A little madness
>now and then is relished by the wisest men.
>If it weren't for lawyers, I think we could have invented a universal
>symbolic representation of reality.
>When you've had all you can take....put the rest back.
>Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
>Okay, everybody in this room who's telekinetic, raise my hand.
>The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
>When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
>Futility is futile.
>ALL FANATICS MUST DIE!!!!!
>It is always easier to just fall than to try to climb.
>Make your own mistakes, not someone else's.
>I can tolerate anything but intolerance.
>I started to correct my mistakes, but I realized what I was doing in time.
>Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
>No matter how bad it is, there is always worse.
>Reality.sys corrupted. Universe halted. Reboot (y/n)
>Support bacteria! They are the only culture some people have.
>The reason people get lost in thought is because to many, it is unfamiliar
>territory.
>Never eat more than you can lift.
>Money can't buy happiness, But poverty can't buy anything.
>Anarchy--its not the law,  just a damn good ide
> We only go around once, there really isn't time to be afraid.
>Never judge a man til you've walked a mile in his shoes. 'Cause by then,
>he's a mile away, you've got his shoes and you can say whatever you want.
>
>If you have to ask, you're not allowed to know.
>When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my father did, not
>screaming in terror like his passengers.
>For those of you without hope, we have rooms with color TV, cable and air
>conditioning.
>Try enjoying yourself, everybody else has.
>Duct tape is like the Force, it has a light side, a dark side and it binds
>the universe together.
>Time's fun when your having flies.
>I intend to live forever or die trying.
>Outside of a dog, a book is a mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too
>dark to read.
>Sleep is natures way of telling you to go to bed.
>To be happy living in this world, there are sides of the soul that one
>must entirely paralyze.
>The Rule of Fives states that all things happen in fives, or are divisible
>by fives, multiples of fives or are somehow directly or indirectly related
>to fives. The rule of fives is never wrong.
>
>The future ain't what it used to be.
>Do not under estimate the power of the Force.
>
>It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
>We are not human beings having a spiritual experience we are spirits
>having a human expeience






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Thanks everybody-

 I have a ride to the BBQ meeting.  Thanks for all the offers.  Hope to meet 
some of you at the meeting!

-Todd


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Okay, kids.  In case you've been too lazy to pick up SF Weekly's Best O'
San Francisco issue this week, here's the world's coolest quote that was
in there, courtesy of the world's coolest comic strip:

"If I wanted unpredictability, I'd stay home with a bottle of cough syrup
and my wood-burning kit."

						-Smart Feller

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming

Jake,

The 4AD guy who is temporarily .sigless

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I wanted to know if there was going to be a full moon coming up??? 

Please let me know,THANX\/\/\/

:0}
nikki

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> Hey baby. . .
>
>          That outfit looks very becoming on you. I know if I were it, I'd be
>coming too.
>
>or
>
>          Damn, you must clean your pants with Windex, cuz I could sure see
>myself in em.
>
>or
>
>         Hey baby, how bout you and me go get naked, rub strawberry jelly all
>over ourselves, and run through the streets of SF singing "I'm a little tea
>pot ?"
>
>
>          Just a mild excursion.
>
>
>
>               Aryck


Just one more for y'all



You must have on spacey underwear cuz' your ass is out of this world.

-Nancy



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 12:26:05 1996
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From: Jonathan Mark Logan <gonzo@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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Subject: friday?
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does anyone have the meridian #?  

could they send it to me over private email?


	thanks,

		jon


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"hey baby, how'bout we go have sex?"

maybe it's too plain, that's why it never works....

peace, love, and much joy-

matt l

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"Hey, beautiful, what say we go get a pizza, head back to my place and fuck?"

<slap>

"What!?!  Don't you like pizza?"

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Felix (the Dog) is a pretty well regarded down-tempo dj.  His "Swamp
Thing" mixed tape is nice.  Not vocally like the bands you mention.

Rok. 

On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:

> Does anyone know of any local DJs who spin good, mellow trip-hop? I've
> heard a unch of Portishead, Massive Attack and Tricky and I want to own
> more of this smooth trippy music... I want to hook up some good mixtapes.
> 
> -m.
> 
> 
>         0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0
>         |    -flyers, graphics and other diversions-    |
>         |     for that whole body thirst situation      |
>         |                                               |
>         |               (- Portfolio! -)                |
>         |     http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/      |
>         |                                               |
>         |  *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza*   |
>         |          C O M I N '   A T C H A !            |
>         |                                               |
>         |              Michal Migurski                  |
>         |              (408) 264-6604                   |
>         |                                               |
>         |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."|
>         |                                               |
>         0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0
> 
> 
> 


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>"hey baby, how'bout we go have sex?"

"how 'bout we go out for a pizza and then have sex? what, you don't like pizza?"

wocka wocka wocka.

=P

-m.


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        |                                               |
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        |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."|
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HEY!  That's my line, buddy!  

;-p

On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:

> "how 'bout we go out for a pizza and then have sex? what, you don't like pizza?"
> 
> wocka wocka wocka.
> 
> =P
> 
> -m.
> 
> 
>         0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0
>         |    -flyers, graphics and other diversions-    |
>         |     for that whole body thirst situation      |
>         |                                               |
>         |               (- Portfolio! -)                |
>         |     http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/      |
>         |                                               |
>         |  *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza*   |
>         |          C O M I N '   A T C H A !            |
>         |                                               |
>         |              Michal Migurski                  |
>         |              (408) 264-6604                   |
>         |                                               |
>         |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."|
>         |                                               |
>         0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0
> 
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 14:16:31 1996
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To: SDream@tgrigsby.com (My other car is a Pentium...)
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> Cajun style: Mmm-MM!  I'd like to dip you in BBQ sauce 
> and work you like a rib!


CLASSIC!

I first heard this on "In Living Color" (still THE funniest show ever 
when the Wayman Bros. were the writers/producers.  I do like MAD TV now 
though so...) in an Arsenio Hall skit done by Keenan Ivory Wayans.  The 
shit was ON!  He was apeing Arsenio with a larger than usual buttocks, 
one huge long finger, and Arsenio's extra toofy smile.  

It was set in a courtroom where Arsenio was defnding someone for something:

"Mmmm, MMM!  Judge, you so fine, I'df like to pour bar-bee-que sauce all 
over you and work ya like a rib!!!"

Hahahahahhaha, damn that shit was on!

Peace,
John
 

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[ to sfraves list ]

 It being a rare blue moon this weekend ( the second full moon in a month
is called a "blue moon" ), it would be extra-special to attend a full
moon event this weekend! Also, since it's so soon after last weekend's
solstice time.

 I can't expect anyone to post about hard-core-underground-word-of-mouth
events on sfraves, but maybe if there's anything happening outdoors that
doesn't mind being semi-public knowledge, please let us know here! I 
personally don't know of any at this time ( Thurs, 2:30 PM ).

 Larry the Ignorant One

 ( larryc@netcom.com )

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David Sarlin, a friend of many within and outside the Bay Area rave 
scene, passed away from our world this morning.  For those of you
who didn't know him, you've probably seen him around; he had been a
regular at Sunsets, ComeUnity, FMRs, Gatherings, etc. for many years.
He was a bit older than most of us, 50's, short ponytail, dressed with 
a 60's flair.  He was known for his generosity, wisdom and a warm aura
of love.  Over the years he had rented out or just shared his Berkeley
home with many of us.  In the end, words cannot do justice in summing 
up this wonderful person's life.

David died of complications due to kidney failure.  Although he did
have the option of fighting a difficult, uphill, medical battle, he
chose to die according to his own will.  The amount of love I witnessed
from people who visited him during his last days - a wide range of people 
he had touched over the years - was amazing.  The peace he exuded along
with the harmony he shared concerning his path forward into the Great 
Unknown was nothing short of inspirational.  He left the bulk of his
estate to environmental and medical charities.

When the dialysis nurse asked him what his religion was, he replied,
"Psychedelics, Buddhism, Judiasm."  When Janie & I last visited him
about a week ago, he explained his serenity to us in terms of the
Buddhist way of transcending suffering, which is to let go of Desire.
He spoke to us of Judiasm, about the concept of the One:  the one 
God/Spirit/Force that exists in all things, that connects us all to each
each other and to Nature.  And he mentioned how his use of psychedelics 
had made it easier for him to realize all of this.  I told him that yes,
there are things that transcend life-and-death, and because of that
we will never be truly apart.

David was one of those who could always be seen dancing at the end of
whatever party he was at, his arms still flailing, head still jerking 
while those less than half his age had long since retired.  It seems to
me that even now, David continues to dance for all of us.

Lee
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What day is full moon?

Rick

At 02:30 PM 6/27/96 -0700, you wrote:
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> It being a rare blue moon this weekend ( the second full moon in a month
>is called a "blue moon" ), it would be extra-special to attend a full
>moon event this weekend! Also, since it's so soon after last weekend's
>solstice time.
>
> I can't expect anyone to post about hard-core-underground-word-of-mouth
>events on sfraves, but maybe if there's anything happening outdoors that
>doesn't mind being semi-public knowledge, please let us know here! I 
>personally don't know of any at this time ( Thurs, 2:30 PM ).
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I've added a lot of new stuff this week, thanks to a lot of people
emailing stuff in, and handfuls of flyers from Haight St.  Lotsa
good stuff, day and night, this weekend.  Check out Derrick May at
Nikita on Friday, or really anything - it's all good.  There should
be a Sunset boat party on Sunday too, get tix at Ameba if there are
any left - or go to Mission Rock if you miss the boat...


                           THE SFR CALENDAR
                                       
    http://www.hyperreal.com/raves/sf/calendar/gencal.cgi
   
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Upcoming Parties in the San Francisco Bay Area

   Thursday, June 27th - _Move _
   Markie, Josh, Tracy, Spun, Solar, Polywog.
   Visuals by Donovan.
   415.437.5774
   
   Friday, June 28th - One Track Mind presents _Turn Around_
   Detroit, Chicago, Trax all night
   Sho, Jon Santos, Warren Parker, Paul Manley.
   10pm- $5. 415.208.3418
   
   Friday, June 28th - Out-A-Sight
   Spun, John Howard, Markie Mark, Jeno, Goura Candra.
   $10. 415.437.4462
   
   Friday, June 28th - Bay Area Underground presents _Meridian_
   Sati, Serenity, Cloud, Dan Bannes, Super Monk, Neil, Steve, Shoam,
   Benji, Bonnie, Moshe, rich, sean andrew, special guests.
   $5 before midnight.
   $7. 415.487.7681
   
   Saturday, June 29th - Spundae presents _Space Teddy_
   Jon Williams, Simon, Mystr-E, Mars, Scott Hardkiss.
   415.764.2922
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Revival_
   Corey, Serenity, Skemer, Simulacra, Jazz-E, Sifu, Honey B, Dave Rego,
   Shawn Steven, Synthesis, Allan, Fuman.
   $7 before midnight.
   9pm-morning, $10. 510.287.5797
   
   Saturday, June 29th - _Harmony_
   free day party
   Ethan, Galen, Shilo Maggi, Greg, More.
   noonish-late night, . 408.486.9591 408.450.3044
   
   Sunday, June 30th - Bulletproof presents _Mission Rock_
   Jeno, Garth, Kevin, Flavo, Roman, George, James, Alex, Masami.
   Visuals by Dimension Se7en.
   4pm-2am, . Mission Rock Resort, , SF. 415.255.7168
   
   Sunday, June 30th - _Lucid States_
   Jalepeno, Sean Murray, Gouracandra.
   Free. 415.303.5336
   
   Sunday, June 30th - _Touchbass_
   Tracy, N8, Dan Barnes, special guests.
   9pm-2am, 18+, $5. 450 Harrison @ 1st, SF.
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _Chateau de Boom_
   fundraiser for San Mateo AIDS Services
   noon-8pm, $3. Hillsboro "classic spelling". 415.572.3250
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _rhumboogie_
   Rob Doten, Gavan, Gina.
   9pm-2am, 21+. coco lounge, 139 8th St @ Minna, SF.
   
   Thursday, July 4th - _Kool-Aid_
   Ghost, Trent, Vibes, Arturo Garces, Witch Dockter, 9T9, Vince.
   Visuals by Party Zone.
   $9. Modesto Centre Plaza, 10th & K St, Modesto. 800.385.3472
   
   Friday, July 5th - Gateway presents _Light Campout_
   John Carel, Minor Mionor, Monty, James Dee, Ethan, Erika, Sean Murray,
   Alex, Joe Rice, Andrew, Consciousness Lab Collective, Rob, Claire.
   runs all weekend in the woods north of Placerville.
   Activities include hiking, swimming, dancing, biking, games...
   $15. Placerville. 415.536.9453
   
   Friday, July 5th - Organic presents _independance_
   DJ Sneak, Ryde (NY), DJ Dan, Graeme, Kimo.
   415.266.8215 415.266.9215 408.236.2205 916.484.3727
   
   Saturday, July 6th - Wicked 
   Markie, Garth, Jeno, Thomas.
   11pm-7am, 21+, $15. 174 King St, SF. 415.512.5713
   
   Saturday, July 6th - the people who brought you the Gathering presents
   _Freedom_
   The Idjut Boys (England), Tony, Josh, Spun, Jon Williams, Rob Vaughan
   (Dallas), DJ Dan, Galen, Rob Doten, Alex, Darkhorse, Nick Philip,
   Pollywog, Joe Rice, A Man Called Malcolm.
   outdoors
   7pm-11:11am, . 415.905.9629 415.522.3994
   
   Sunday, July 7th - Bulletproof presents _The Boat Party_
   Markie, Mark Farina, Eric Lacy, Gavan, Felix the Dogge, Consuelo.
   Visuals by Dimension Se7en.
   departs 7pm from the Ferry Building.
   advance tix at Bulletproof, 629 Haight.
   afterparty at Mission Rock, Monday May 27th.
   7pm-midnight, $25. SF. 415.255.7168
   
   Friday, July 12nd - Intoxication
   Tony, Jon Bishop, Carlos, John Howard, Donald Glaude, Dreamer,
   Preston, Pat Allen.
   $10 w/can of food.
   415.437.6905 510.674.8663
   
   Friday, July 12nd - Dripdrop & SF Familee presents _Nafarius_
   John Howard, Solar, Blackstone, Nick B, Tony Fader, Gabriel, Ananta,
   Subal, Tommy Underwood, Devlin, John, Keith, Steve, Backyard Battle in
   My Mother's Kitchen featuring S.K.O. vs. Diversity (live).
   please bring a can of food for Project Open Hand
   415.436.0979 408.421.7189
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - 6 in da Mornin Productions presents _Ground Zero_
   Jim Hopkins, Simon, Ghost, Atommix, Josh, Liquid, Frank Nitty, Kimo,
   Essence, Kwashi, Spinner.
   Visuals by C.A.D., Trips R Us.
   120,000 sq ft indoor/outdoor action
   800.590.7032 415.709.7989
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - Pro-Soy presents _Chi_
   Drenalin, Deaks, Tim McKnew, Cloud, Blue, Jon Williams, Jon E S,
   Claire, Cyril, Mike S, Maya, Scott.
   Organic breakfast in the morning along with other goodies
   $10. SF. 408.457.7726 415.635.6815
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - blasthaus presents _the acid funk ball_
   Gavin Hardkiss, Scott Hardkiss, Robbie Hardkiss, broun fellinis, Mark
   Farina, Manny, Gavan Duffy, Dani, the Baroness.
   Visuals by Craig Baldwin, Dave/Hyperdelic, Reed/Looksee.
   10pm-8am, $18. the Trocadero, 520 4th St @ Bryant, SF. 415.789.8044
   
   Saturday, July 13rd - _Unlock the House_
   Doc Martin, DubTribe, Jeno, Spun.
   Visuals by Donovan.
   415.339.8014
   
   Saturday, July 20th - _Cloud Factory 2-year anniversary_
   drenalin, Bryce, Tim McKnew, Deaks, MC^2, Cloud, Brian.
   Monterrey area. 408.457.7726
   
   Saturday, July 20th - Ultra 5 presents _Eon_
   Eric Davenport, Barry Weaver, Steven Ankele, Karizma, Jeyson, Kimo,
   Tyree Cooper, Terry Mullan, Onionz, Rob Vaughan, Scott Henry, DJ Who.
   Visuals by Las Vegas Laser, Hollywood Dog, Lumatech.
   8pm-. 800.204.3986 408.345.2399 415.437.5503 916.484.4006
   
   Saturday, July 20th - Urb presents _Future Primitive Soundsession_
   DJ Spooky - That Subliminal Kid.
   415.905.8868
   
   Saturday, August 10th - Spundae presents _Nation_
   Sasha (UK), John Digweed (UK), Simon, DJ Dan, Henrik.
   presale tix on sale July 1st
   415.764.2922
   
   Wednesday, August 28th - Burning Man 1996
   includes Wicked Sound System.
   save $10 by registering by June 1st.
   runs entire weekend, through September 2nd.
   All ages, $35. Black Rock Desert, Nevada. 415.985.7471
   
   
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W E E K L I E S

   House/techno/acid jazz/ambient/etc reg'lar happenins Some of them may
   have ended - let me know when that happens...
   
  Thursday
  
   Lift - House, Funk w/DJs David Harness, Ruben Mancias, Jay-J, Black,
   guests. 12mid-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma, SF. 415.267.5984
   
   Velvet Shop - House, Techno. 21+, $5. Agenda Bass-ment, 399 S 1st @
   San Salvador, SJ. 408.235.1556
   
   _Azul_ - House, Soul w/DJs Alfie, James. 21+, Free. Casanova, 527
   Valencia, SF.
   
   Full House - Acid Jazz, House w/DJs Finn, Matt Bernsen, Andrew
   Rawnsley, Bruno Ybarra, guests, live musicians. 10pm-2am, 21+, $3.
   Miss Pearl's Jam House, Eddy & Larkin, SF.
   
   Pack-a-Bowl - "We'll be droppin the wax while you're droppin the
   balls" w/DJs Mars, Tracy, guests. 8:30pm-2am, $6. Park Bowl, Haight @
   Stanyan, SF. 415.541.5019
   
   .blitz - foxyboysfancygirlsfreshmademixes begins April 4th
   21+. 278 11th St @ Folsom, SF.
   
   _Le Jazz Hot!_ - future sounds for jazz heads w/DJs Andrew Jervis,
   guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $3. Nickies BBQ, 460 Haight, SF. 415.621.6508
   
   _Real_ - house, techno. every first Thursday of the month
   9pm-2am, 18+, $7. Pantages Theater, 1225 K St Mall, Sacramento.
   916.565.9588
   
   _Revolutionary Wax_ - coax your evolutionary ass w/DJs Consuelo Kevin,
   John John (Open Mind), James (Tweekin). 21+, Free. Dalva, 3121 16th
   St, SF. 415.252.7740
   
   _Green_ - house, techno w/DJs guests weekly. 10pm-2am, 18+. the top of
   the Wharf Cafe, the end of the Santa Cruz Wharf, Santa Cruz.
   
   _Thirzdaze_ - bringing you the true frisco groove w/DJs DJ Dan, Donald
   Glaude, Essence, guests. 415.605.1915
   
   _Seven Up_ - house w/DJs Guests weekly. 10pm-, 21+. Germania Lounge,
   261 N.2nd St @ Julian, San Jose.
   
   _soulvation_ - acid jazz, hiphop w/DJs Roman, George, Aural B, guests.
   10pm-2am, 21+. elbo room, 647 Valencia, SF.
   [6.27 - Swingsett (NY)]
   
   _Osmosis_ - house w/DJs Pete Avila, Jeno, Martha Wash (live), Jocelyn
   Brown (live). 10pm-4am, 21+, $10. V/sf, 278 11th @ Folsom, SF.
   415.280.5850
   
  Friday
  
   _ Sound Factory _- House w/DJs Pete Avila, David Harness, guests.
   9:30pm-7am, 21+, $10. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF.
   415.543.1300
   [6.28 - Pride '96 w/Barbara Tucker, Pulse]
   
   _Soul'd Out_ - House w/DJs Julius Papp, Rick Preston, guests. free
   before 10:30
   9pm-, 21+, $5. The Usual, 400 S.1st St., San Jose.
   
   _Nocturnal Transmission_ - House w/DJs David Harness, Tim Martinez,
   Saint John, guests. $5 before midnight.
   11pm-5am, 21+, $10. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.957.1730
   
   _Go Fast_ - Techno. Energy Music...for Women by Women (boys can come
   too).
   10pm-. 8th & Minna, SF.
   
   _Liquid Fridays_ - House w/DJs various DJs. 10pm-2am, 18+, Free. 2721
   Broadway, Sacramento., Sacramento. 916.484.4285
   
   the green door - "where circles meet squares" w/DJs andrew, thomas,
   caspar, paul, felix the dog, guests. 10pm-3am, 21+, $7. 880 Stevenson
   @ 10th, SF.
   
   _Nikita_ - house, techno w/DJs Jeno, Simon, Henrik. 10pm-7am, 21+,
   $10. 1015 Folsom St, SF. 415.267.0568
   [6.28 - Derrick May, Scott Hardkiss, John Howard]
   [7.5 - Roger S, Markie, Taj]
   
   _The Scene_ - 21+. the EndUp, 401 6th @ Harrison, SF. 415.393.9067
   
   _Beats_ - house, breakbeat, trance w/DJs Carlos Campos, Karizma,
   weekly guests. 7042 Folsom Blvd between Howe and 65th, Sacramento.
   415.273.1345 916.558.0850
   
   _This Side Up_ - house, techno w/DJs guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight,
   SF.
   
   _the atomic cafe_ - acid jazz, trip hop, house w/DJs Finn, Matty B,
   guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, $5. Voodoo, Eddy & Larkin, SF. 415.267.4822
   [6.28 - Finn, Matty B]
   [7.5 - Felix, Thomas]
   [7.12 - The Baroness]
   [7.19 - Harry Who?]
   [7.26 - Sunshine (dubtribe)]
   
  Saturday
  
   _Other Whirled_ - House, Techno w/DJs Warren, Nobel, Jason Cassady,
   Nikki Rivera, guests. saturday morning
   6am-, 21+. 201 9th @ Howard, SF.
   
   _Sound Factory _- big club sounds
   9:30pm-4am, 21+. Sound Factory, 525 Harrison @ 1st, SF. 415.543.1300
   
   _Release _- Acid Jazz, Funk, Reggae, House w/DJs Jerry Ross, Josh, Mr.
   Sulu, Randy Wong. 21+. 1015 Folsom, , SF. 415.337.7457
   
   55 - House, Euro w/DJs Jorge Martinez, Tim Martinez, guests. 21+. 55
   Natoma St., SF. 415.267.1858
   
   _Vanilla Fudge _- House w/DJs Corey Black, Sunshine, Moonbeam, Jason,
   Big Lee, Darren. occasional saturday nights.
   10pm-2am, Free. Cafe Bastille, 55 Belden Alley, SF. 415.764.2903
   
   Vertigo - Psycho, Techno, Disco, Funk w/DJs Ellen Ferrato, Dave
   Peterson, Lewis. 10pm-, 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF.
   415.703.7172
   
   _Liquid Vinyl_ - House w/DJs Jay-J, Suiki, John Howard, guests.
   2am-6am, 21+, $8. DV8, 540 Howard, SF. 415.957.1730
   
   phunkatech - Jungle w/DJs UFO, Noel, guests. 21+, $2. The Top, 424
   Haight, SF. 415.995.4699
   
   _Metro Jazz _- Acid Jazz w/DJs Ruben Mancias, Mauricio Avilas, Tom
   Thump, Franky, guests. 10pm-, 21+, $7. 111 Minna St, SF. 415.974.1719
   
  Sunday
  
   _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly
   guests. free b4 10:30p
   For Technotica, call 415.764.2922
   10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389
   
   _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J,
   Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore,
   SF. 415.771.2583
   
   _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B,
   guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256
   
   Quench - House w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia, guests. 21+. The Usual,
   400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330
   
   subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone.
   10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865
   
   Strawberry Sundays - techno, house w/DJs Dutch, Jazz-E, Corey, Oscure,
   Jesse. $5 for under 21;.
   6am-, 18+, $3. Bahia, 1600 Market St., SF. 415.635.9183
   
   Mantra - A hypnotic trance-inducing affirmation. w/DJs Dutch, Surge,
   Theta Blip, Abstract, Noel, UFO, Thad, guests. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. 683
   Clementina Alley, SF. 415.331.1500x888
   
  Monday
  
    Mushroom Jazz - acid jazz, trip hop w/DJs Mark Farina, Miquel, Julius
   Papp, guests. 9pm-3am, 21+, $5. 330 Ritch St, SF. 415.905.8811
   
   _Noc Noc_ - techno/ambient/jungle w/DJs Mohsen. 21+, Free. 557 Haight
   St., SF.
   
   _Tongue n' Groove _- trip hop, jungle, acid jazz w/DJs tomas, seth,
   m.mark, guests. 10pm-4am, 21+, $5. Cat's Grill & Alley, 1190 Folsom @
   8th, SF. 415.431.3332
   
   _rotation_ - jazz, hiphop, soul, acid jazz, funk w/DJs racer x, yamu,
   stef, rasta cue-tip, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+. up & down club, 1151
   Folsom St, SF.
   
   _21st sensory _- abstractbeatz-hiphop-dub-drum n'bass-electro w/DJs
   Tomas, Abstract, guests. 21+. the Top, 424 Haight, SF. 415.974.4358
   
   _Movement_ - trance, breakbeat, jungle w/DJs Julio, Kimo. 10pm-2am,
   18+, $3. Bahia Cabana, 1600 Market @ Franklin, SF. 415.263.5797
   
  Tuesday
  
    Butterfly - Hip Hop, Acid Jazz, House, Funk w/DJs Charlotte, Dani,
   guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, $2. Casanova, 527 Valencia, SF.
   
   Breathe Deep - House w/DJs Jay-J, Ruben, Miquel, guests. 10pm-4am,
   21+, $5. 1015 Folsom., SF. 415.998.9515
   
   _Begin..._ - house, trip hop, trance w/DJs Darrel, Cisco, Radley,
   Ollie, Seanee, Xpress, Grey, Anna. 9pm-2am, All ages. The Inn of the
   Beginning, 8201 Old Redwood Highway, Cotati, Cotati. 707.524.4443
   
   _Succotash!_ - tasty jazz - funk - beats - space w/DJs tom thump,
   rasta q-tip. 21+, Free. up & down club, 1151 folsom st., SF.
   
   _supper_ - funk, acid jazz w/DJs Caspar, guests. 21+, Free. Julie's
   Supper Club, 1123 Folsom @ 7th, SF. 415.861.0707
   
   _Light-n-Up Lounge_ - house w/DJs Preston, guests. 21+. 111 Minna St,
   SF.
   
   _L-Tryptophan_ - ambient, techno w/DJs guest DJs weekly. 21+, Free.
   1624 California @ Van Ness, SF.
   
   _Lost in Space_ - house, hip-hop w/DJs Pause, Dark Money, Winnie B,
   Eric Lacy. 21+, Free. Cafe Mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th, SF.
   
   _Eclectic_ - house, jungle, drum & bass w/DJs Yamu, Siege, Franko,
   Foster, guests. Fresh fruit & condoms to all
   9pm-2am, 21+. Paradise Bar & Grill, 5356 College Ave, Oakland.
   
   _The Deep_ - house, techno. 9pm-2am, . Palookaville, 1133 Pacific Ave,
   Santa Cruz?. 408.425.3316
   
  Wednesday
  
   _ Come/Unity _- House, Techno, Ambient w/DJs Simon, Jeno, Garth. first
   Wednesday of the month.
   10pm-4am, 21+, $7. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.241.8815
   
   _Boost_ - old school uplifting house w/DJs Jamie J, Hector the
   ejector. 21+. the EndUp, 6th & Harrison, SF. 415.703.7105
   
   _Roots_ - House, Dub, Reggae w/DJs Garth, Jeno, guests. Buna & guests
   in the dub reggae room
   10pm-4am, 21+, $6. 1015 Folsom, SF. 415.512.5713
   
   _cosmic lounge _- space jazz, galactic grooves, jungle w/DJs Caspar,
   Paul, Seth, guests. 10pm-2am, 21+, Free. cafe mars, 798 Brannan @ 7th,
   SF.
   
   _Reunion_ - Danny, Naz Cafe, guests. 9pm-, 21+, Free. The Fulton Bar,
   1243 Fulton Mall, Fresno. 209.488.5332
   
   _Thirsty_ - tasty house tunes and even better company w/DJs Jellybear,
   Jay-J, top notch guests. 9pm-2am, 21+, Free. The Top, 424 Haight St,
   SF.
   
   _The Lounge_ - 9pm-3am, 21+. 1401 Arden Way, Sacramento.
   916.922.8041x4240
   
   _Wish_ - techno, house w/DJs guests weekly. Lighting by EyeTribe
   18+. Bahia, 1600 Market St, SF. 415.436.0663
   
   _Belief_ - house w/DJs Julius Papp, Harry Who?, Rick Preston. begins
   5.22.
   10pm-, 21+. Agenda basement, 1st & San Salvador, San Jose.
   
   _Jackin' the Box_ - weeklytechnohousejammyinnadetroitchicagostylee
   w/DJs jon santos, samuel, guests. 10pm-2am, 18+, $5. 375 1st St @
   Harrison, SF.
   
   Boogie Bowl - house, techno w/DJs John Howard, Tracy, Dave, Virg,
   guests. admission includes bowling and pool.
   10pmm-3am, $8. Country Club Bowl, 88 Vivian Way @ E.Francisco, San
   Rafael. 415.456.6440
   
   _Flux_ - techno, house w/DJs DJ Dan, guests. 10pm-3am+, 18+, $6. 2246
   Jerrold St, SF. 415.541.5646
   [7.3 - Donald Glaude, Tony, Graeme, Kelli]
   [7.10 - DJ Dan, Jim Hopkins, Andre Lucero]
   
   
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Info Lines

     * Be-At Info Line - 415-626-4087. Usually has 5-10 listings, updated
       daily.
     * Clubline - 415.979.8686
     * Fatline - 415.207.3668
     * Frequency 8 Trance/Techno infoline - 415.541.5019
     * the Global Party Network Buzzline - 415.473.3535
     * The Groove Line - (415) 331.1500 ext.4788
     * Housewares Rave Line - 415.281.0125
       
   
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Radio/TV Shows

     * Sunday night 11pm-2am - "The Dreaming/Innermind Show" w/DJ Miracle
       & Mr. Monchichi. House, Jungle, Trip-Hop, Ambient, Dub,
       Break-Beats & guest DJs. KSCU 103.3 (Santa Clara)
     * Monday afternoon 12:30-3:00 pm - DJ Jerecho presents the best of
       the urban polyrhythmic experience jungle, acid jazz, techno,
       electro, breakbeat KDVS, 90.3 FM (Davis)
     * Wednesday night/Thursday morning 3am-6am - "Aural Fixation"
       experimental sounds of ambient and trip hop with a splash of hi
       nrg, from trance to jungle. KZSC 88.1 fm (Santa Cruz)
     * Thursdays 9:30pm-midnight - "Aurora Borealis" Beats and
       atmospherics w/DJ Seth. KALX 90.7 (Berkeley)
     * Fridays 9pm-midnight - Andrew from Groove Merchant spins on KUSF
       90.3 (SF)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - midnight-noon. House/techno mix
       with Johnny K, Ozone & guests - KCSS 91.9 Central Valley (Turlock)
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - "Just Desserts" w/Mr.Goodwrench -
       10pm-2am Jungle, Detroit, Techno, Acid House, whacked-out Dub, and
       noise KFJC 89.7 - Los Altos Hills
     * Friday night - nocturnal transmissions - featuring house DJs from
       SF and around the world. mid-2am, 107.7 FM (SF)
     * Friday night - Your Mama's House w/Pete Avila - 3am-5am, 106.1
       KMEL.
     * Friday night - Moondance. Ambient; 3am-7:30am, KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Friday night/Saturday morning - the Uncle Noah TV Show - the best
       in Techno and House music. 3-5am, KDVS 90.3fm (Davis)
     * Saturday afternoon - "Bus Stop" - music and talk w/guest DJs from
       SF and beyond. 2pm-3pm. KUSF 90.3 SF.
     * Saturday night 11pm - Flux Television, Viacom Channel 53 -
       Ambient, acid jazz and house music videos & interviews. (415)
       281-3377. flux@flux.net
     * Saturday night 9pm-mid - "An Epiphany of Sound" hosted by J.C. and
       Monkeywrench KZSU 90.1 (Stanford)
       
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
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   section (http://www.hyperreal.com/zines/late/clubs/).
     _________________________________________________________________
   
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Rick Riffle wrote:

> What day is full moon?

	9:59pm or so on Sunday night

dave

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A truely beauitful sentiment.  I did not know him, but feel the loss to the
word through your kind words.  May his life and good deeds be dedicated to
the benefit of all sentient beings.  OM MANI PEME HUNG

Love,
Rick




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>HEY!  That's my line, buddy!

yeah, yeah...

I guess I oughtta read all the messages in my box before knee-jerk replying
to the jokes and making an arse of myself, huh?

=/

-m.


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Shit it snuck up on us, huh?

Anyone not going to the Sunset boat party going to the pride rally this
weekend?

I should be there with friends, and thus maybe we could meet, or just leave
it up to the gods to guide us all together.

Tony



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I erased mine on accident. I'm coming from Concord on Bart.
Thanks,
jonathan

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[ to sfraves list ]
> 
> On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Rick Riffle wrote:
> 
> > What day is full moon?
> 

 Chronicle weather page has been saying 8:59 PM Sunday night, June 30th.

Larry Ching/larryc@netcom.com


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Organic '96 was by far the best, I mean best party I have been to in a 
very long time!!!! The production was absolutly amazing. The performers 
were incredible (life changing experience). And the crowd was so 
fucking cool!!! 

That's all I can say!

Greg :)


You wrote: 
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 15:32:10 1996
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> Anyone not going to the Sunset boat party going to the pride rally this
> weekend?
> 

I'm going!  I think we should try and arrange a meeting point/time.  Does
anyone have any idea of the layout this year?  Is the parade going up
Market St. towards Civic Center or down towards Embarcadero this year?  I
missed last year - what was the deal?

		Ranting and Raving

		    ** jess **


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yers, send them to me too, please!

		jon


On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 Jondabomb@aol.com wrote:

> I erased mine on accident. I'm coming from Concord on Bart.
> Thanks,
> jonathan
> 


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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Ok I have a question for our collective brain....


What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
backward...

(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)


Anyone?


"dance with me..." 


-adam
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I really appreciate everyone sending me the directions...see you there!
Jonathan

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>Ok I have a question for our collective brain....
>
>
>What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
>backward...
>
>(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)

uh... palindrome?

people? am I right?

-m.


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Did anyone see the night sky in San Jose last night at about 11pm?

The moon was almost full, and there were these little fluffy clouds all
aroud it, and you could see the night sky perfectly between the clouds. The
clouds were all white and blue,  and the sky behind them was pitchblack. It
was

    ---> SO BEAUTIFUL <---

I haven't seen a sky like that in five years.

I stood on my neighbor's front driveway with my head thrown back for a few
minutes in complete awe.








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>>Ok I have a question for our collective brain....
>>
>>
>>What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
>>backward...
>>
>>(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)
>
>uh... palindrome?
>
>people? am I right?
>
>-m.
>
That is correct!

- E



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yes, you are right :)

Webster Definition for "palindrome"

pal.in.drome \'pal-*n-.dro-m\ n [Gk palindromos running back again, fr. palin back, again +
dram]ein to run;
akin to Gk polos axis, pole - more at POLE, DROMEDARY : a word, verse, or sentence (as "able was I
ere I saw
Elba") that reads the same backward or forward 



> 
> >Ok I have a question for our collective brain....
> >
> >
> >What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
> >backward...
> >
> >(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)
> 
> uh... palindrome?
> 
> people? am I right?
> 
> -m.
> 
> 
>         0=-------B A R K O D E * A R T W O R K S-------=0
>         |    -flyers, graphics and other diversions-    |
>         |     for that whole body thirst situation      |
>         |                                               |
>         |               (- Portfolio! -)                |
>         |     http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~lachim/      |
>         |                                               |
>         |  *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza*   |
>         |          C O M I N '   A T C H A !            |
>         |                                               |
>         |              Michal Migurski                  |
>         |              (408) 264-6604                   |
>         |                                               |
>         |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."|
>         |                                               |
>         0=---------------------=0=---------------------=0
> 
> 
> 


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Hi All!

I'm gonna be going with my straight/gay roommates and think that 
meeting up would be a great idea! Leslie had said in an earlier post
that there would be a dance area and that she would be there with
her friends...it would be fun to meet up with her as well! I've heard
that the rally is going to be happening in or near the Embarcadero
center like last year but I'm not sure? ..I'm just hoping that they're
gonna be playing some excellent music to dance to and hopefully not
that common clubby disco diva pop music. If everyone is familiar with 
the Embarcadero center area how about meeting up at the end of Market
just as it turns to the right on the left hand side (facing the bay) 
at sometime???? After would anyone be up for Mission Rock, Lucid States,
Touchbass, or Mantra later?

Peace,
John

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Hi Tony!

If you're familiar with Embarcadero center how about meeting up in
front of Uno's Pizza which is in one of the Embarcadero centers on
the second floor...I think it was Embarcadero center 2 or maybe 3?
Is there a time that would be cool for everyone to meet also??

Peace Brother!
John

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>>>Seeing that made me think orbital was taking a moment to remind us about
>what our lives are like outside of...<<<
>
>Couldn't agree with you more.  Although those visuals wouldn't have been
>appropriate at any party, it was great to absorb them as a head check, in an
>environment where generally people were a bit more sober and open to that
>sort of holistic perspective.
>-StEvEo
>
I disagree that the visuals wouldn't have been appropriate at any party;
I've seen (and read posts about) some pretty sobering footage of the
harsher realities present in our world, in our society and in other
societies.  It's a very relevant thing to address to a gathering of people
interested (hopefully) in spreading the love and positive energy and sense
of community & connectedness with our sisters and brothers who are sorely
in need of any sort of kindness.  While the wealthy hoard wealth, the
non-wealthy suffer.  This applies to love and compassion, the most
important things in life, infinitely more than it applies to money.  Think
about it.  You love your friends and family, right?  Do you ever express
your love for humanity by extending kindness to a stranger, especially one
who is in some way downtrodden?  Do you do this because it's your way, or
do you need a subtle (or blatant) reminder every once in a while?
I hope to see more footage like this in the future.  NIN uses some pretty
disturbing stuff during live performances of one song (what's it called?),
scenes of devastation, death, decay.  It's a slow song.  Watching that
brought tears to my eyes when I saw them at the SJS Event Center.

Love to everyone,

Eric P.

Eric P. Peterson
Financial Assistant, Materials Management
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Lee Fogel wrote:

>David Sarlin, a friend of many within and outside the Bay Area rave 
>scene, passed away from our world this morning.

Man, what you wrote was sad and beautiful.  I think I've met David a couple 
of times, and I'm really depressed that he's gone.  I wish you happiness and 
quick healing.  Perhaps if there's an FMR this weekend, we can ask that they 
dedicate to David.

S


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> I can't expect anyone to post about hard-core-underground-word-of-mouth
>events on sfraves, but maybe if there's anything happening outdoors that
>doesn't mind being semi-public knowledge, please let us know here!

I too would be interested...  Maybe someone in the know could just whisper 
it in my ear... or send me a quick note, whichever is easier...  I've got 
some friends coming up from Fresno and I know they'd love a chance to hit an 
FMR...

S


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At 11:52 AM 6/27/96 -0700, Nikki Glover wrote:
>I wanted to know if there was going to be a full moon coming up??? 
>
>Please let me know,THANX\/\/\/
>
>
Rumor has it that there will be a Wicked Blue Moon this saturday night.


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> What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
> backward...


That would be a palindrome (palindrone?) I believe. 


Ran

                          ( yyyyyaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh)
                                     /
                               -=*=-/
                                 ~

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Can anyone tell me about Harmony?

I heard it's somewhere in or near Santa Cruz on Sat.  A free day event.

I live in Capitola and want to go.  Will help out if I can.  Someone let 
me know.

I need location and time.  Will show up with much love and + NRG.

E-mail me or phone me at home (408) 479-3561 with details.  

thanks! 

PEACE-

-Aaron

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On Jun 27,  5:43pm, Randy C Cone wrote:
> Subject: Re: Definition Please....
>
> > What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
> > backward...
>
>
> That would be a palindrome (palindrone?) I believe.
>
>
> Ran

Yeah, yeah, that was easy. Now what is the irrational fear of palindromes
called?

aibohphobia

Bwahahahaha! ;-)

The Frying Dutchman

(who will resign from the list for next week due to business elsewhere and
mailbox finite size but may appear at raves on the 8th of july)


-- 


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Eric P. wrote:
>I hope to see more footage like this in the future.  NIN uses some =
pretty
>disturbing stuff during live performances of one song (what's it =
called?),
>scenes of devastation, death, decay.  It's a slow song.  Watching that
>brought tears to my eyes when I saw them at the SJS Event Center.

probably the song was "hurt" from the downward spiral, but the nin song =
that has always seemed saddest to me was "something i can neevr have" =
from pretty hate machine.


b e n   c h u n

ben_chun@community.net
http://www.community.net/~ben_chun/

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You wrote: 
>
>>Ok I have a question for our collective brain....
>>
>>
>>What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
>>backward...
>>
>>(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)
>
>uh... palindrome?
>
>people? am I right?


Yes, you are indeed correct!  That is a palindrome, the longest one 
being "Able was I ere I saw Elba".

Shawna

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Oops, I had typed in the wrong year for this, so my CGI program filtered
it out.  This should have been in this week's calendar.

Forwarded message:
> From thenomad@ix.netcom.com Thu Jun 27 15:41:52 1996
> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:41:18 -0700
> Message-Id: <199606272241.PAA04501@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
> From: thenomad@ix.netcom.com (NOMADS)
> Subject: Friday event
> To: dhchung@hyperreal.com
> 
> Fusion tomorow Friday june 28th 1996.
> Chicago Dj's and Producers PSYCHOBITCH & MISS THING on six turntables.
> DJ DAN, BLACKSTONE, TONY, and from Florida, JUSTIN, UNISON RECORDS. 
> PHUNK JUNKZ CHILL ZONE.
> 415-675-5605, 408-236-3398, 916-484-4213
> 
> 


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  I'm going to the Pride parade and then onto Sunset- the boat party 
doesn't start until 6p.m according to the voice mail ( feel free to 
correct me if I'm wrong ). This gives me enough time to do both:).
                     Reagan





On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Tony Rotundo wrote:

> Shit it snuck up on us, huh?
> 
> Anyone not going to the Sunset boat party going to the pride rally this
> weekend?
> 
> I should be there with friends, and thus maybe we could meet, or just leave
> it up to the gods to guide us all together.
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 

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See. . . this morning I was driving to work when a small furry multi-legged
creature ran out in front of me on Old Hicklovinearpickinsnotspitten road. I
slammed on my brakes only to just miss the poor thing and drive off the road
into a field of tiny little pickle looking things. My golf cart was stuck so
I got out into the pickle-like field and started walking back towards the
road. About three feet away from the road I found a  fried meat product
substitute patty concoction and it started talking to me. It told me that it
was late for some type of job interview or something and needed a ride. I
told it that I couldn't really help, but if it hung around with me for a bit
I might be able to work something out. 
           We were walking down the road where we came to some 511 hair
place. The burger product substitute patty thing yelled at me and told be
that it needed something from there. Ok, I guess, so we went into the salon
and immediately a lively young female approached the meat thing and asked
what it needed.And she replied  "A bun. . . gee, I'm sorry sir but you'll
have to leave now, we don't tolerate that language around here." At that time
the burger product substitute thing took a deep breath and said, "Fine, I
guess now I'll have to go shave my nipples and buy a new set of turkey
basters." And they lived happily ever after. . . 

       Aryck

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keep up the list!!!!

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>You wrote:
>>
>>>Ok I have a question for our collective brain....
>>>
>>>
>>>What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
>>>backward...
>>>
>>>(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)
>>
>>uh... palindrome?
>>
>>people? am I right?
>
>
>Yes, you are indeed correct!  That is a palindrome, the longest one
>being "Able was I ere I saw Elba".
>
>Shawna



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Hey Mars,

I hope you get a chance to read this before you orbit around from the other
coast.

There is this music / performance art / dance ritual I'm heading off to in
Berkeley called "Thoth" at La Penya, 3105 Shattuck, Berkeley, starting at
8:00pm (they advise to arrive early). Someone quoted about the show,
"Haundingly beautiful, sensual, danceable."

After that, I'll hit Space Teddy -- you'll get to hear your namesake, F-8's
MARS, along with Mystr-E (he grooved at last month's full moon rave), and
John Williams, Simon, and Scott Hardkiss. Their number is 415.764.2922.

Hope to rendezvous with you there. I'll be wearing my "SFR" badge, longish,
wavy brown hair, and a goatee, standing tall and fairly lean.
  
George

My eyes are so dialated from visiting the Optomitrist, I appear as though I
had a large portion of EssEntials -- wish I had the vibe to match!


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At 12:21 PM 6/24/96 -0700, Eric P. Peterson wrote:
>Hello dear friends!
>
>Seems like every time I talk about raves with my roommate, John, he comes
>to the same conclusions.  He says that if I'm not there (at a party) to
>either make money or meet women, then I'm wasting my time.  The last time
>we talked about this, he said that I shouldn't spend my time hanging around
>"teeny-boppers bouncing around on e." 


Sounds like you need a new roommate.


-Sean

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"House music all night long..."
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At 05:52 AM 6/27/96 -0700, Diana Greer wrote:
>My friend spent the whole night working on an emergency in downtown 
>San Francisco.  At 5:30 am he went out to his car to move it, and found 
>that it was ticketed for being parked in a tow-away zone.  The problem? 
>The space was not to become a tow-away zone until 6 am!  He called 
>the Police Dept., and of course, they can't take a report, and suggested 
>that he just go to Traffic Court and tell the judge.  So even though he 
>was in the right, he has to lose half a day's wages to report the SF 
>Parking "error."
>

All he needs to do is to fill out the information on the BACK of the parking
ticket. There is an address and space to protest the citation. All it will
cost him is a 30 cent stamp.



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>At 12:21 PM 6/24/96 -0700, Eric P. Peterson wrote:
>>Hello dear friends!
>>
>>Seems like every time I talk about raves with my roommate, John, he comes
>>to the same conclusions.  He says that if I'm not there (at a party) to
>>either make money or meet women, then I'm wasting my time.  The last time
>>we talked about this, he said that I shouldn't spend my time hanging around
>>"teeny-boppers bouncing around on e." 
>
>

I'm 25 and I'm not bouncing around on e.

Maybe all your friends are there 
Maybe you like a particular DJ's art 
Maybe you like house music
Maybe you like being around teeny-boppers bouncing around on e so there!
Maybe meeting women is not your priority for going ravin' but who knows what
will happen?
Maybe you will win the lottery by buying a ticket while you are at 7-11
getting water on the         way to a party, therefore making money
Maybe your roomate, John, is too shallow (which is HIS problem)
Maybe your roomate, John, couldn't get laid at a rave so now he hates them.
Maybe you just wanna rock the fuckin' house!!!!


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Hey fellow ravers,

       Looking for a good smaller party with multiple rooms (preferably
ambient/chill room), rrom on dance floor,  and a good crowd, to make my new
friend from Chico feel welcome to the scene.  She has never been to a real
rave before and needs a good first experience.  Any help would be greatly
appreciated!



























                                                                         Jeff

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Also try tapes mixed by Gavin Hardkiss,  I just bought one (of course I 
can't remember the name of it), that's really nice.

Matt 
   Da
    Loaf

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You wrote: 
>
>> I can't expect anyone to post about 
hard-core-underground-word-of-mouth
>>events on sfraves, but maybe if there's anything happening outdoors 
that
>>doesn't mind being semi-public knowledge, please let us know here!
>
>I too would be interested...  Maybe someone in the know could just 
whisper 


I would be interested too! lemme know lemme know! 


Adam
=)~ R.Lunatic

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Greetings,

Unexpectedly,  I ran into a friend who is willing to pay my gas expenses
to the Ozarks,   so the Crunchman is soon going to be heading East with
Radion Test Data...    I'll still be on the list,  and able to read
my Email during the trip,  pending my ability to locate and find local
access numbers to my ISP,  and finding modular jacks I'll need to
plug in my modem.

Once there,   I'll not be reachable via Email and all my messages will
be queued up until I get back,  sometime on or about the 12th of July..

So keep the vibe alive while I'm gone....

Since nobody took me up on my offer for a ride up the Sierras party
in two weeks,   I won't feel so bad to bug out....

Be expecting to get lots of pictures and stuff I'll be adding to my
WEB site when I return.

The Crunchman



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>> I can't expect anyone to post about 
hard-core-underground-word-of-mouth
>>events on sfraves, but maybe if there's anything happening outdoors 
that
>>doesn't mind being semi-public knowledge, please let us know here!
>
>I too would be interested...  Maybe someone in the know could just 
whisper 


>I would be interested too! lemme know lemme know! 


Me too please!

Ran @ Dionysus Dreams



                           -=*=-
                             ~

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>Yes, you are indeed correct!  That is a palindrome, the longest one
>being "Able was I ere I saw Elba".

what about:

a man, a plan, a canal: panama!

beatcha by one letter!


-m.


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satan oscillate my metallic sonatas

argh. i forget all the ones i used to know.


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From: Roy Feague <rfeague@starfishsoftware.com>
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Proving yet again that EVERYTHING is on the Web, check out:
 http://www2.englib.cornell.edu/~at11/old/alex/old/annemarie/palindrome.ht  
ml

for what is claimed to be the world's longest palindrome: 1247 words, and   
over 7600 characters.
I haven't checked it, and I have no idea what it says (it's in French).

Or, if you want a big ol' list, you knew someone had to have it: The   
Palindrome Home Page!
 http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~nanci/Pdromes/index.html

Some faves:
 Egad! No bondage!
 Sex at noon taxes.
 "Naomi," I Moan.
 Yo! Banana Boy!
 Naomi, did I moan?
 May a moody baby doom a yam?
 A man, a plan, a canoe, pasta, heros, rajahs, a coloratura, maps, snipe,   
percale, macaroni, a gag, a banana bag, a tan, a tag, a banana
bag again (or a camel), a crepe, pins, Spam, a rut, a Rolo, cash, a jar,   
sore hats, a peon, a canal--Panama!
 "I'm a lasagna!" sang a salami.
 Norma is as selfless as I am, Ron.
 Pus, Dan! Ogre sales use laser gonads up.
 Doc, note, I dissent: a fast never prevents a fatness; I diet on cod.
 To: Dr., et al. / Re: Grub / Ma had a hamburger / Later, Dot.

or this amazing one:
 Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?

and the classic:
 Evil I did dwell, lewd did I live.

They even have "word palindromes":
 You can cage a swallow, can't you, but you can't swallow a cage, can   
you?

Enjoy!
 -Roy

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From:  michal migurski[SMTP:lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu]
Sent:  Thursday, June 27, 1996 11:10 PM
To:  Shawna McGourty
Cc:  sfraves
Subject:  Re: Definition Please....

>Yes, you are indeed correct!  That is a palindrome, the longest one
>being "Able was I ere I saw Elba".

what about:

a man, a plan, a canal: panama!

beatcha by one letter!


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Thu Jun 27 23:55:33 1996
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I'm planning to buy this mixer soon. The best price I've gotten thus far is
$720. If anyone has purchased at a lower price or been given a lower quote,
please let me know. Thanx, and have agreat night, Peace! Cid

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Enough people showed up Tuesday (thanks y'all) to keep the show alive, so
this will be on for a while at least.  Semi-weekly on Tuesdays (next on the
9th July, I believe) at the Coco Club, 139 8th St in SF.  Shannon, John
Howard, and others.

anarch@scruznet.com



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I posted a bit back about Cluster at the Maritime Hall in SF on the
28th--they will also be at Palookaville in Santa Cruz on the 30th (9 pm,
$11, with Brain).

anarch@scruznet.com



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>I'm 25 and I'm not bouncing around on e.
>
>Maybe all your friends are there 
>Maybe you like a particular DJ's art 
>Maybe you like house music
>Maybe you like being around teeny-boppers bouncing around on e so there!
>Maybe meeting women is not your priority for going ravin' but who knows what
>will happen?
>Maybe you will win the lottery by buying a ticket while you are at 7-11
>getting water on the         way to a party, therefore making money
>Maybe your roomate, John, is too shallow (which is HIS problem)
>Maybe your roomate, John, couldn't get laid at a rave so now he hates them.
>Maybe you just wanna rock the fuckin' house!!!!
>

right on!!!!
shannon :)


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What kind of friend is it that makes you feel bad for being involved in 
something that makes you happy and does you no harm?

What kind of lover is it that allows you to say and do and give out of the 
strongest desire for, and the complete assumption of, a close, real, loving 
relationship, for several months, knowing full well they don't feel the same 
way?

What kind of person is it that says they care for you and in the same breath 
puts subtle, continuous pressure on you to change?

Why the hell can't I have pure, harmless, fun without someone mucking around 
in it!!!!

damnitimsof*ckingtiredofhavingtojustifyravingtopeoplethathaveneverbeendontun
derstandandwontallowthemselvestounderstandtheywontlistenandimfeduptheycanall
justgotohellandrottheshittylittleratbastards....

Y'know, I wouldn't give a rat's ass, but it's the people I care about most 
that do these things.  It tears me apart, and I just don't think they 
understand the effect they have, or they don't care enough to ponder it.

I've been raving for a little over six months now, and the last month or so 
has been so weird where my non-rave relationships, and even one of my rave 
relationships, have been concerned.  Some of my non-rave friends have come 
across my rave diary.  The reaction is never good.  And each time I wrestle 
with the idea of taking it down.  But why should I?  It's what I like to do, 
and telling the story is fun.  I'm keeping that record as much for me as for 
the next guy.  Why should I have to defend what it says?

And to top it off, I found out a while back that someone I really cared 
about deeply was simply using me.  Pretty shitty, if you ask me.

In a generally pissy mood,

S



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The show didn't draw as well as The Orb, but that was fine because it
wasn't too crowded.  DJ Czech was OK but didn't move the crowd much.
Vapourspace played well but with no spotlight and no really danceable
stuff also didn't get much response, not even any applause when he
finished.  Too bad, because it was a well crafted performance.

Orbital was Serious Fun, all right.  I wasn't overwhelmed like in '93,
but from "Satan" on they pulled out all the stops.  Overall a very good
show.  I'm not too keen on some of the stuff they've been doing lately,
but they are always searching for the good bits in whatever is happening
musically at any given time, and I noticed a fair bit of drum&bass
influence tonight.  They obviously enjoy what they're doing and do it
so well it's hard not to go away with a smile :-)

phred

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Start your holiday weekend if you happen to be in the Portland area
on Wednesday evening at the Paris Theatre, 6 SW 3rd.  I think the
lineup will be J Mystic, myself and Rob P in that order.  

see u in the future!
phred

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From: Amy R Starkey <sac41673@saclink1.csus.edu>
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I don't know if this would be classified as trip hop or not, but Moonpup 
gave me his tape named "Nation" and it is *incredible*.  It has slower 
beats and is definately trippy.

love,
Amy

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 08:32:26 1996
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I have been reading the thread of responses about the roomate that 
doesn't get it and a had a couple of questions for everyone:

1. How can you help people understand, when you won't tolerate people
   that don't understand?

2. If you can't make them understand, how do you come to some to some 
   agreement to agree to disagree?
    
    a. Is this possible?
    b. If it isn't then what?

The reason I ask these questions, is that there are a lot of people out
there that don't understand, and have no desire to understand. Our 
society is moving away from "live and let live." Whether it is the 
government, the media, or some commission on morality, society is mucking 
about in all of our personal and private lives and it doesn't seem like 
it is going to stop anytime soon. Can there be a truce?

                                  Feeling a little philisophical,

                                      Black Adder   


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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Ok, ok Im sorta confused....

Is the new moon (event) on Saturday  or Sunday???

Inquiring minds want to know!!!


"unwashed and somewhat slightly dazed"



"Dance with me..."


Adam
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It is going to be in the North Bay in the South Bay?? The VM said it was 2 hours 
out of SF.

-N ;0}

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At 06:04 PM 6/27/96 -0700, Swawna wrote:
>You wrote: 
>>
>>>Ok I have a question for our collective brain....
>>>
>>>
>>>What is the definition for a word that one can spell both foward and
>>>backward...
>>>
>>>(ie.  Bob,  Racecar, "madam im adam" ect..)
>>
>>uh... palindrome?
>>
>>people? am I right?
>
>
>Yes, you are indeed correct!  That is a palindrome, the longest one 
>being "Able was I ere I saw Elba".

Actually, the longest palindrome, according to Guinness, is 44,444 words
long, made by Edward Benbow of Bewdley, England.

It starts with, "Anon, now, even odder, I have made lines..."
It finishes with, "...Senile dam Eva, Hired Don. Eve won, Nona.

-G-


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From: aguevara@compattic.com (Adam Guevara)
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Subject: Have a GreeEEAAATTTT weekend!!!!
Date: 28 Jun 1996 16:55:37 GMT
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I hope the best of a raving time to all this weekend.  I have a few personal
matters in regards to soul searching, so I'll be out of societies reach for
these few days (6/28 - 7/1)... 

Allthough I'll be gone phyiscally my spirit will be with you all.....


"dance with um, er, for me..."


Adam
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 09:18:32 1996
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:18:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Cyr <surfpunk@well.com>
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Hi Sports Fans!
Traditionally, the saturday before the Pride Parade and Celebration is 
called "Pink Saturday" and the whole Castro neighborhood is closed off to
traffic  so that thousands may gawk and strut, so . . . 

My friend Clay and I are invading with a sound system so that we may 
have dancing in the streets
The event is sponsored by The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and they 
ask for a dollar donation which goes to various AIDS groups

We plan to be blasting from 8 to midnite at the corner of 18th and Castro
and given the crowd we'll be spinnning everything from old school disco
to Goa (Yes, this will allow me to play my Doris Day record :)

DO come up and say Hi!

Jim Cyr


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 09:26:31 1996
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Ward <bwret@best.com>
To: sfraves@hyperreal.com
Subject: Record Bag
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Most DJ's liket o keep their records secret- but seeing as most of what I
buy is readily available to and discerning buyer, I don't see why I
shouldn't share it with you. Besides, what's the point in having a secret
if you can't tell anyone. Here it goes: Purchases for this week...

Domestic:
Robert Hood: The Pace

  New 12" from the king of the minimal nation on M-Plant. Definately some
of his best recent work. A-side is a sparce drum groove with a groovy stab
which subtley tweaks itself over 7 minutes. Definately a winner for Detroit
fans. People unfamiliar with the vibe might find it boring. B-side is a
quieter track, but nice and trippy.

Millstart- The Purposemaker 

  I don't know a whole lot about this new Axis 12". I assume it's Jeff
Mills, but could be wrong. This new purposemaker is bursting with heavy
dancefloor vibes. Clattering high-hats and almost tribal vocal samples make
this a winner. The thing that always gets me about Detroit tracks
(especially axis) is the editing of the tracks. Sure, Jeff Mills never
plays a song for longer than 2 minutes and then spins out of the mix, but
in the US (especially the west coast) we are known for our smooth flawless
mixing. So the short tracks and badly-placed fade outs at the end tend to
get on my nerves.

Jungle:

Photek- Hidden Camera 2x12"

What's up? $12.95 for a double 12"?? I'm in heaven! This new offering from
Rupert Parks is nothing new. But that really doesn't matter when it comes
to Photek. He's so fucking prolific with the high-hats...so bursting with
emotion that you have to sit back and gawk. This offering has three nice
haunting tunes-all equally good- and one down-tempo breakbeat track (like
139 downtempo). I could spin a while just with the Photek I've bought in
the last 7 months, but more and more, this is headphone music for me.

Nightmares on Wax- Stars rmx

Wow- I love walking straight to the downtempo section of a store and
lloking for Jungle remixes. Some of the most innovative stuff out there is
coming out on Ninja Tune, Mo' Wax, Cup of Tea, etc...  This 12" is on Warp
and has two redo's off the Smoker's Delight album. Scruff's job is wicked!
About 90 bpm with little filtered tribal drums which could be excellent in
a hip-hop set. The A-side remix of Stars is my real surprise. I'm not
really one for vocal drum'n bass tracks, but when one pops up that I like,
I'll be listening to it nonstop for days. Stars starts off with a weird
little gypsy violin and then breaks straight into the vocal line. The drums
are mellow, the strings are sweet, and the message is 100% POSITIVE. Though
there's plenty of good jungle in every genre (intelligent, hardstep, jazzy,
etc..) I'm getting  tired of some of the lame gangster samples which DON'T
reflect inner city life, but just glorify violence. So it's a breath of
fresh air to hear a line like ,"God give me stars to reach for, you gotta
give me stars"...high fives all around...


Well, I know it was scant, but I've been poor as of late...it's ok..just
makes me more selective :)

-peace- Alex (DJ Awaza)


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>I don't know if this would be classified as trip hop or not, but Moonpup 
>gave me his tape named "Nation" and it is *incredible*.  It has slower 
>beats and is definately trippy.

moonpup described this tape as "acid-breakbeat" to me.


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> Pickup Lines and Dreaded Answers:
     
Use these at your discretion:
     
>>I know how to please a woman.
>>Then please leave me alone.
>>
>>I want to give myself to you.
>>Sorry, I don't accept cheap gifts. 
>>
>>May I see you pretty soon?
>>Don't you think I'm pretty now?
>>
>>Your hair color is fabulous.
>>Thank you. It's on aisle three at the corner drug store. 
>>
>>You look like a dream.
>>Go back to sleep.
>>
>>I can tell that you want me.
>><Forward Practicing>
>>
>>Yes, I want you to leave.
>>
>>Hey, baby, what's your sign?
>>Do not enter or Stop.
>>
>>I'd go through anything for you.
>>Let's start with your bank account. 
>>
>>May I have the last dance?
>>You've just had it.
>>
>>I would go to the end of the world for you. 
>>Yes, but would you stay there?
>>
>>Your place or mine?
>>Both. You go to your place, and I'll go to mine. 
>>
>>Your body is like a temple.
>>Sorry, there are no services today. 
>>
>>Is this seat empty?
>>Yes, and this one will be too if you sit down. 
>>
>>What's it like being the most beautiful girl in the bar? 
>>What's it like being the biggest liar in the world?
>>
>>Haven't I seen you someplace before? 
>>Yeah, that's why I don't go there anymore. 
>>
>>If I could see you naked, I'd die happy. 
>>If I could see you naked, I'd die laughing. 
>>
>>
     

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Hey Everyone!

My Email went down yesturday.  If anyone tried sending my somethin', 
please send it again!!:) 

Happy Friday and a Groovey weekend to all!!

-M

                            ***ASTRONOUT***
                          sounds textures beats



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[ to sfraves mailist ]

To summarize:

 To date, folks have mentioned two different Full (Blue) Moon events
happening this weekend. 

 The Wicked crew will be doing theirs Saturday night. Another group will
be doing theirs Sunday night, approx. 2 hours driving time from SF. 

 Both groups want to keep the news of their blue moon events to word-of-
mouth (WOM) to limit crowd size. Oh well ...

 As an alternative to the folks outside of the underground WOM loop(s) ,
here's an idea I had :

 On Sunday, get some of your friends together at a park or the beach and 
have your own little full blue moon ceremony , or at least do some moon 
watching - per the astronomers, it's at it's fullest at 8:59 PM.  
Then, with lots of time left over , check out one of the special events 
or weeklies happening on Sunday night. The event/weeklie promoters will
appreciate your attendance, and maybe someone in the crowd will give
you a hint about any outdoor things happening! 

( from Derek Chung's calendar )

 [ Special Events ]

   Sunday, June 30th - Bulletproof presents _Mission Rock_
   Jeno, Garth, Kevin, Flavo, Roman, George, James, Alex, Masami.
   Visuals by Dimension Se7en.
   4pm-2am, . Mission Rock Resort, , SF. 415.255.7168
   
   Sunday, June 30th - _Lucid States_
   Jalepeno, Sean Murray, Gouracandra.   Free. 415.303.5336
   
   Sunday, June 30th - _Touchbass_
   Tracy, N8, Dan Barnes, special guests.
   9pm-2am, 18+, $5. 450 Harrison @ 1st, SF.

   Sunset Boat Party ( early evening to 11PM - tickets are $20 at
   Ameba in SF or Primal Records in Berkeley . Call either store
   to find out if tickets are still available ).
   
 [ Sunday "weeklies" ] 
  
   _ Spundae _- House, Techno w/DJs Henrik, Carlos, Miquel, weekly
   guests. free b4 10:30p
   For Technotica, call 415.764.2922
   10pm-5:30am, 21+, $5. 55 Natoma St., SF. 415.974.9389
   
   _Leopard Lounge_ - Acid Jazz, Funk & Live Bands. w/DJs Suiki, Jay-J,
   Anthony, Julius Papp, Mark Farina, guests. 2125 Lombard @ Fillmore,
   SF. 415.771.2583
   
   _Pleasuredome_ - House w/DJs Neil Lewis, David Harness, Phil B,
   guests. 21+, $8. 177 Townsend, SF. 415.985.5256
   
   Quench - House w/DJs Rick Preston, Ryan Tapia
   This Sunday : guest DJs Harry Who , and Johnny Fiasco from Chicago
   21+. The Usual,  400 South First St., San Jose. 408.535.0330
   
   subbass - jungle, drum'n'bass, trip hop w/DJs noel, abstract, jawbone.
   10pm-2am, 21+, $3. 270 Brannan @ 2nd, SF. 415.905.8865
   
   Mantra - A hypnotic trance-inducing affirmation. w/DJs Dutch, Surge,
   Theta Blip, Abstract, Noel, UFO, Thad, guests. 10pm-3am, 18+, $5. 
   683 Clementina Alley, SF. 415.331.1500x888

========================================================================

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When does the gay pride parade start/end on Sunday?

And in which streets will it be?

Any sfraves-meeting points yet?



questions, questions, questions...


Thomas

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Hello......well as i'm movin out of my place on monday we're havin a kind of a 
give aaron the boot party at our sf warehouse space tonight...only problem is 
some of the dj's we were counting on flaked so....if you want to try some of 
your acid/detroit techno or just plain freaked out records on a crowd tonight, 
we'd love to have you....just give me a call   (w)415.506.2969 and 
(h)415.431.0635.....thanks..... 
 
------------>aaron 
 
p.s. hi liz

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   ROTFL!!!!!
                         Reagan




On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Renzo Saunders wrote:

> > Pickup Lines and Dreaded Answers:
>      
> Use these at your discretion:
>      
> >>I know how to please a woman.
> >>Then please leave me alone.
> >>
> >>I want to give myself to you.
> >>Sorry, I don't accept cheap gifts. 
> >>
> >>May I see you pretty soon?
> >>Don't you think I'm pretty now?
> >>
> >>Your hair color is fabulous.
> >>Thank you. It's on aisle three at the corner drug store. 
> >>
> >>You look like a dream.
> >>Go back to sleep.
> >>
> >>I can tell that you want me.
> >><Forward Practicing>
> >>
> >>Yes, I want you to leave.
> >>
> >>Hey, baby, what's your sign?
> >>Do not enter or Stop.
> >>
> >>I'd go through anything for you.
> >>Let's start with your bank account. 
> >>
> >>May I have the last dance?
> >>You've just had it.
> >>
> >>I would go to the end of the world for you. 
> >>Yes, but would you stay there?
> >>
> >>Your place or mine?
> >>Both. You go to your place, and I'll go to mine. 
> >>
> >>Your body is like a temple.
> >>Sorry, there are no services today. 
> >>
> >>Is this seat empty?
> >>Yes, and this one will be too if you sit down. 
> >>
> >>What's it like being the most beautiful girl in the bar? 
> >>What's it like being the biggest liar in the world?
> >>
> >>Haven't I seen you someplace before? 
> >>Yeah, that's why I don't go there anymore. 
> >>
> >>If I could see you naked, I'd die happy. 
> >>If I could see you naked, I'd die laughing. 
> >>
> >>
>      
> 
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> From: evlee@aimnet.com (Evelyn Lee)
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> 
> 

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>   ROTFL!!!!!

eh?


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I have been doing alot of shopping around for the RANE MP-22, and right now
at Upstairs Records in NYC they will sell you one for  $682.45 with
shipping already included $649.95 with out shipping included.  Any
questions email me at noah@cadence.com

Noah

At 10:56 PM 6/27/96, Begroovy@aol.com wrote:
>I'm planning to buy this mixer soon. The best price I've gotten thus far is
>$720. If anyone has purchased at a lower price or been given a lower quote,
>please let me know. Thanx, and have agreat night, Peace! Cid



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     Help, please!!!
     
     Does anyone have a room open on the Peninsula. I work at a software 
     company in Santa Clara, but I usually party up in SF. 
     
     I'm really laid back, luv to dance my butt off, spend a lot of time 
     online setting up web sites for people who really don't need a web 
     site at all.
     
     I surf, I've got a little boy who lives with his mom in Atlanta, and I 
     could care less who somebody sleeps with or what their political 
     analysis is of the latest debt reduction bill on Capital Hill.
     
     I write really twisted pychosexual thriller/horror short stories to 
     make up for an otherwise boring, but gratifying life.
     
     300-500/mo. is ideal, the people mean more to me than the place, and 
     I'll be at the show in SF this weekend, if you want to meet.
     
     Thanks... 
     BuckyBoy
     
     
     buck.bradberry@isinc.insignia.com


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Hi there!  My name is Frank (Count Zero on vrave)
I'll be visiting san fran from
july 4th-10th.  I've found out about a few parties that I might be going
to, and I wanted to get some people's opinions on them.  

so heres a list of the possiblities:

July 5th: Nikita (w/ roger sanchez, markie, jeno, taj, henrix and
simon at 1015 folsom st.)
	  Organic's  Independance  (w dj sneak,ryde,dj dan,graeme,kimo)
	  Is there a party called METAMORPHOSIS scheduled?  Goa trance?


July 6th: Wicked (thomas,jeno,garth,markie)
	  Freedom (the gathering) (w/the idjut boys,tony,josh,spun,jon
williams, rob vaughn, dj dan, galen, rob doten, alex, darkhorse,nick
philip, polywog, joe rice)
	  Unlock the House (w/ Steve Loria, Dubtribe, Doc Martin)

Oh, and I have a flyer without a date on it for this party called
MANTRA (djs surge, theta blip, dutch, abstract, thad, noel, ufo) any
info on that?

Also, does anybody know if CARLOS or any of the Hardkiss boys will be
anywhere in San Fran between july 4-10?  Will Carlos be at something
called Spundaes?  If not, whats that about?  Also, does anybody know
of any good clubs with bars that will be open on Tuesday July 9th?
Its my 21st birthday and I wouldn't mind hitting a bar ;) I really
appreciate any help any of you can give me! Thanks so much in advance!
I hope to maybe meet some of you while i'm out there too, so write
back :) Also, check the rest of this post for more questions and
stuff... :) Thanks so much (again) -Count Zer0

quoted from earlier post:

From To:sfraves@hyperreal.com Thu Feb 29 00:49:26 1996
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 0:49:26 EST
To: sfraves@hyperreal.com
Subject: looking for ppl
Status: RO

Hi I'm Frank Glazer. . . ack thats no way to start a message! :P
I know this is gonna be a WEIRD post. . . BUT I need some help in locating
two girls I met last summer in Prague. . . Weird, right?  Well, I have
their snail mail addys, but I don't dig writing letters, and I really
want to get in touch with them soooo. . .

Amber Powers or Racheal Matthews 

if you are on this list PLEASE email me ASAP! :) I miss you guys! :( 

Also, if anybody knows either of these girls, let them know I'm
looking for them. . . They are the greatest and I miss them a lot!
Hope somebody can help me out. . .Oh, BTW they are from Santa Cruz,
and they are both tall thin and GORGEOUS. :) I met them in a club in
Prague Czcech Republic last summer. . .and haven't seen them since. .
Considering I'm in PA that kinda makes sense, right. . .oh well enough
of my blabbering. . . Hope to hear from someone soon. . . -Frank

also, hope there's nothing wrong in the first two lines of text up
there there seems to be something weird with my editor. . .

Also, I'd be more than happy to bring my rekkids with me and spin
while I'm there.  If you know anybody who might be interested in
booking me between July 4-10 let me know and I can send a tape out :)
Ok, all is cool.  


Thanks sooo much! :) Hugs and stuff -Count Zer0


BY THE WAY... I'm still TOTALLY willing to spin, anywhere anytime out
there, so let me know about that too :)  
--
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 Phat PLUR in yo face! :) Count Zer0  email: glazerf@acad1.stvincent.edu

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Hello to all you wonderful  Sfraves people.
I am out in electronic no-mans land at the moment : my computer has
been "hosed" by the MONKEY_A virus and subsequently I can't use it for
e-mail :-(

Well, anyway, I'm just posting to say that I would love to meet up with some of
you over the weekend. I'm thinking of going to the boat party Sunday and
think it's a good place to
get people together. I went on my first one last Easter Sunday and had a
great afternoon.

I'm about 6" and kinda lanky. Hair is Blonde and I have a "smig".
Might be wearing either one of my Freshjive t-shirts.
I think a good meeting place would be the very back of the boat(lower deck)
on the benches
or ideally against the railings on the left hand side as you face the front
( sorry i can't
think of the appropriate nautical terms..) just as the boat disembarks pier 39.

Phew!

Anyone that's interested can e-mail : Doodge@sfnet.com or v-mail : 415-621-6747

I've been living here for about 9 months and I think it's the dance scene
that keeps me sane.

Peace,

Kiron (Ciaran)



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     rolling on the floor laughing?


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Author:  Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net> at SMTPLINK
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   ROTFL!!!!!
                         Reagan
     
     
     
     
On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Renzo Saunders wrote:
     
> > Pickup Lines and Dreaded Answers: 
>      
> Use these at your discretion:
>      
> >>I know how to please a woman.
> >>Then please leave me alone.
> >>
> >>I want to give myself to you.
> >>Sorry, I don't accept cheap gifts. 
> >>
> >>May I see you pretty soon?
> >>Don't you think I'm pretty now?
> >>
> >>Your hair color is fabulous.
> >>Thank you. It's on aisle three at the corner drug store. 
> >>
> >>You look like a dream.
> >>Go back to sleep.
> >>
> >>I can tell that you want me.
> >><Forward Practicing>
> >>
> >>Yes, I want you to leave.
> >>
> >>Hey, baby, what's your sign?
> >>Do not enter or Stop.
> >>
> >>I'd go through anything for you.
> >>Let's start with your bank account. 
> >>
> >>May I have the last dance?
> >>You've just had it.
> >>
> >>I would go to the end of the world for you. 
> >>Yes, but would you stay there?
> >>
> >>Your place or mine?
> >>Both. You go to your place, and I'll go to mine. 
> >>
> >>Your body is like a temple.
> >>Sorry, there are no services today. 
> >>
> >>Is this seat empty?
> >>Yes, and this one will be too if you sit down. 
> >>
> >>What's it like being the most beautiful girl in the bar? 
> >>What's it like being the biggest liar in the world?
> >>
> >>Haven't I seen you someplace before? 
> >>Yeah, that's why I don't go there anymore. 
> >>
> >>If I could see you naked, I'd die happy. 
> >>If I could see you naked, I'd die laughing. 
> >>
> >>
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On Feb 29, 12:49am, To:sfraves@hyperreal.com wrote:
>
> if you are on this list PLEASE email me ASAP! :) I miss you guys! :(
>
> Also, if anybody knows either of these girls, let them know I'm
> looking for them. . . They are the greatest and I miss them a lot!
> Hope somebody can help me out. . .Oh, BTW they are from Santa Cruz,
> and they are both tall thin and GORGEOUS. :)
>
>-- End of excerpt from To:sfraves@hyperreal.com
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hello all-

first, the word of the day is "oatmeal".  use the word well in a message
to me, and win my undying love!!! =)


second, let's send our love to sdream re: hs recent post.  he helped me
greatly when i was in need last semester.

third, i hope to see ya'll on saturday!  i've got other plans tonight, but
i hope to see people around.

love, peace, joy, and other mushy things-

matt l


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1)  Hey...why is no one talking about Fusion and it's not even on this weeks 
    ravelist.  

2)  It's gonna be phat....who's going?

3)  And, is there any chance that someone has any idea where it might be.

-=* MHG *=-


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>>Millstart- The Purposemaker
>>
>>  I don't know a whole lot about this new Axis 12". I assume it's Jeff
>>Mills, but could be wrong.


>Is this Axis 11? If so it's from last year, but you'll probably also dig
>the new Purposemaker, PM-01. I've never seen it around here, but you could
>order it from Record Time or Submerge in Detroit.
>
>Joe


Sorry, folks- Joe's right. I'm talking about Purposemaker #1, which is
available here. Thanks, Joe.

-Alex (DJ Awaza)



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OUCH!

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Actually, someone mentioned it earlier in the week.  It was not on the 
original calendar but an addendum was sent out after Derek found an 
error.

It is a phat lineup, I was fortunate enough to hear Psychobitch in 
Chicago a few years ago.  What an energetic and fun DJ!  Now only if we 
could get some of her crazy Chicago posse here too...
VM says SF.

David

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, -=]madame mercury[=- wrote:

> 
> 1)  Hey...why is no one talking about Fusion and it's not even on this weeks 
>     ravelist.  
> 
> 2)  It's gonna be phat....who's going?
> 
> 3)  And, is there any chance that someone has any idea where it might be.
> 
> -=* MHG *=-
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From: Paul Abramson <pabrams@itsa.ucsf.EDU>
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okay, most of the pix are up from two weekends ago... still waiting to
develop stuff from last weekend as well as shots i'll get this weekend!  

thanks to kcroy for the generous use of a scanner last night!  :)

paul
http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~pabrams/


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  Rolling On The Floor Laughing




On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:

> >   ROTFL!!!!!
> 
> eh?
> 
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  As stated in The Guardian:
     The route begins att he intersection of Market and Eighth and winds 
its way down Market to Justin Herman Plaza for a blowout block party. 
Info. number is 415.864.FREE.
                               Reagan
 




On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Thomas Schwarz wrote:

> 
> When does the gay pride parade start/end on Sunday?
> 
> And in which streets will it be?
> 
> Any sfraves-meeting points yet?
> 
> 
> 
> questions, questions, questions...
> 
> 
> Thomas
> 

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I'm back online here at work if anyone really, really, really cares :-)

Peace

Kiron


>Hello to all you wonderful  Sfraves people.
>I am out in electronic no-mans land at the moment : my computer has
>been "hosed" by the MONKEY_A virus and subsequently I can't use it for
>e-mail :-(
>
>Well, anyway, I'm just posting to say that I would love to meet up with some of
>you over the weekend. I'm thinking of going to the boat party Sunday and
>think it's a good place to
>get people together. I went on my first one last Easter Sunday and had a
>great afternoon.
>
>I'm about 6" and kinda lanky. Hair is Blonde and I have a "smig".
>Might be wearing either one of my Freshjive t-shirts.
>I think a good meeting place would be the very back of the boat(lower deck)
>on the benches
>or ideally against the railings on the left hand side as you face the front
>( sorry i can't
>think of the appropriate nautical terms..) just as the boat disembarks pier 39.
>
>Phew!
>
>Anyone that's interested can e-mail : Doodge@sfnet.com or v-mail : 415-621-6747
>
>I've been living here for about 9 months and I think it's the dance scene
>that keeps me sane.
>
>Peace,
>
>Kiron (Ciaran)



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On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, KironO wrote:

> I'm back online here at work if anyone really, really, really cares :-)
> 
> 
> 
> >Hello to all you wonderful  Sfraves people.
> >I am out in electronic no-mans land at the moment : my computer has
> >been "hosed" by the MONKEY_A virus and subsequently I can't use it for
> >e-mail :-(

Did you spank that monkey virus away????
(sorry bad joke...)

                                      Black Adder


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Reagan Reid wrote:
> 
>      The route begins at the intersection of Market and Eighth and winds 
					 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ aka my place

	Cool, I'm housing right there, so the meeting point is found!
	It's called "Trinity Plaza", 1169 Market. I'd suggest we meet on 
	the small parking lot in front of the building.
	
	So "where" is done, now "when?"
Renaud

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where the hell is all the interesting e-mail that helps keep me awake at work?

you people suck.

















I don't wanna hear any comments on how ironic it is that I'm complaining
about low volume while not contributing to the list myself-- I'm really
just venting due to a crummy day.

-m.


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        |                                               |
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        |                                               |
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> where the hell is all the interesting e-mail that helps keep me awake at work?
> 
> you people suck.

> I don't wanna hear any comments on how ironic it is that I'm complaining
> about low volume while not contributing to the list myself-- I'm really
> just venting due to a crummy day.

Don't worry about it.  What bugs me is when my boss or anyone else walks 
by and there's all these gay-pride messages...  Not that I'm homophobic 
or anything, but messages like that at THIS work are not cool...  I'm 
waiting for the jokes to start :)


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>where the hell is all the interesting e-mail that helps keep me awake at work?
>
>you people suck.
>
I'm sure some of us would swallow, too, if you asked nicely...



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 15:44:21 1996
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:18:07 PDT
From: "THX1138" <THX1138@planet-jubip.com>
Subject: Trance Needed In SF Tonight / Independence Day B-Day Person Needs A Party
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Yooooo SF;

	I need some Trance tonight anything off the calendar going 
on?

	My B-Day, which is Independence Day(& people wonder why 
I'm sooo crazy) is coming up (hint, hint), and I would like some 
Trance to happen on this day. 

	A day when the Energy of Freedom of thought and expression 
was released into the world gaining a tenative hold on our reality 
at best. 

	Make sure you go out on Saturday and express yourself; 
even though I haven't learned to appreciate same gender sex, yet. 
I feel that our front line freedom fighting brothers and sisters 
deserve the much needed and long overdue support. I think that 
Saturday is an excellent way to express the beliefs of freedom of 
thought and express in a self affriming, non-violent, fun manner.

	We the People of San Francisco in order to form a more 
perfect world/universe to delare our Independence from HOUSE.

	I rather be in Goa or SF if it was more like Goa; but I'm 
working on that. Hey one really good earthquake, and hey you never 
know. Image the SF bay being 25 degrees C.

Peace & Love To All
THX-1138

-------------------------------------
Name: THX-1138
E-mail: THX1138@planet-jubip.com
Voice Contact: 800-590-4993 Toll Free, Trance-Nation Wide
Date: 6/28/96
Time: 3:18:07 PM 
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From: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>
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I can't believe that my meager body is still up and about.  I can't 
believe that I partied myself silly on Monday and Tuesday.  Believe me, 
that's never happened before to this lazy-ass.  And now, the weekend is 
upon me, and I am so thrilled.  I wish life was one giant weekend.

I'm a raver with a mission.  Need my dancing fix.  Need to dawn the 
silver slippers and toss out those sensible shoes.  Need to hear some 
groovin', speedy bpm.  Aaahhh, anticipation, my life story.  Life 
wouldn't be fun without it!! 

That said, I am ready to dawn my alter-ego; the silly riot grrl with the 
need to groove.  Hmm..mad scientist by day, speedy Gonzales by night :P

I'll be seein' some (lots?) of ya'all at 1) Meridian tonight and 2) boat 
party on sunday the funday, forget about monday.

excuse the incessant ramblings, it's just Mr. Hyde on the loose. 

See ya out and about.

-Kay the Wild SEE




              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 15:46:19 PDT
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Dear SFR;

	With someone with the various Full groups please clue this 
moon child in, thanks a bunch; and see you there.

Peace & Love
THX1138

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>2. If you can't make them understand, how do you come to some to some 
>   agreement to agree to disagree?
>    
>    a. Is this possible?

It is possible, but it takes quite an open person that pretty much
"understands" already to be able to "agree to disagree"  Phelps (new to the
list) and I used to end disagreements in this way sometimes.  You gotta be
able to let go though. 


>    b. If it isn't then what?

I don't know.



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damn, this really got some sarcastic replies fast, didn't it?

Oh well, I deserve 'em. Sorry about taking my little moment of frustration
out on all y'all!

peace,
-m.


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        |                                               |
        |  *monster netscape 2.0 update extravaganza*   |
        |          C O M I N '   A T C H A !            |
        |                                               |
        |              Michal Migurski                  |
        |              (408) 264-6604                   |
        |                                               |
        |"The skies are gray, but today they seem blue."|
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 16:36:16 1996
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At 09:02 AM 6/28/96 -0700, Nikki Glover wrote:
>It is going to be in the North Bay in the South Bay?? The VM said it was 2
hours 
>out of SF.
>
>-N ;0}
>
>

Somewhere wonderful.


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Dear All;

	With regard to the 4th, and Saturday I think this said's 
it all:

	"The strength of the Constitution lies ENTIRELY in the 
determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single 
citizen feels duty bound to do his" or her(was "his"; changed to 
reflect what should have been reflected a long time ago) share in 
this defense are the constitutional rights secure."

	- Albert Einstein

Peace
THX1138

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 17:00:04 1996
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This is a personal message from me to you :

Have a killer weekend, and hope to meet you along the way.
Sunset boat party, Harmony, May-b the parade.

Could some-one send me some info about any of these
Doodge@sfnet.com , 415*621*6747 (v-mail)

Peace

KironO (Ciaran)



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From: Randy C Cone <randream@cats.ucsc.edu>
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>From a friend of mine.

Ran

                          -=*=-
                            ~


Then there is alway my fav but not qutie following the same rules.

WOW MOM !

It is what I call an up side down palindrome.

Peace,


     She  ^`..'^
   




From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 17:27:21 1996
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In a message dated 96-06-28 18:40:37 EDT, you write:

<< Don't worry about it.  What bugs me is when my boss or anyone else walks 
 by and there's all these gay-pride messages...  Not that I'm homophobic 
 or anything, but messages like that at THIS work are not cool...  I'm 
 waiting for the jokes to start :)
  >>
You must work for Jesse Helms or some other person(?) like that.... HOW SAD!
Jonathan

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At 03:37 PM 6/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>where the hell is all the interesting e-mail that helps keep me awake at work?
>
>you people suck.
>
>

You's DAMN RIGHT!!!!!!!!!

 i'm suckin' on a butter-rum life saver as we speak.
  


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 17:44:13 1996
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What's goin' on????? They all cut their hair!!!!!! They've gotten old.

        (sorry - I'm in between assignments at my temp agency so I have
nothing to do but sit on my fat ass and watch MTV)


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 18:07:22 1996
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Good day.

>>Renaud asked me to forward this to the list...
>>------- Forwarded Message
>>tuned by two
>>different teams: it was completely different, I hardly believed
>>that the stuff involved was the same!
>>The *tuning* makes a HUGE difference!!

>>Renaud

I can't agree with you more. A great ear with a mediocare sound system is worth two average 
blokes and a wicked system. It's not how big it is.....

Take Care,
                      Jason

P.S. Music should be vicerial, not make you cringe.



From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 18:07:46 1996
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From: "Jason C. Lundy" <104242.1233@compuserve.com>
Subject: Can you believe this sh*t?  (NRR)
To: Diana Greer <inanna@ccnet.com>
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Hello everyone,

Yes, as a matter of fact, I can believe that this happened. Once, while at a beach on the American River, I left my car 
parked in a residential area. Careful to park on the correct side of the street; the other side had street cleanig hours posted.
Only to return and find that my car had been ticketed. I thought someone must have made a mistake. Then I struck me,
something looked different. A work crew had come along and installed a whole street worth of signs on my side of the
street. The cement wasn't even set all of the way on the last few. They had them tied in plce with string and little spikes
in the grass. I don't see how the cop who wrote this ticket could have missed the" men working" signs that they put up in my
absence. And if he did, probably figured that I would just pay the ticket anyway, rather than take the time and hassle to 
fight it in court. He was wrong. I took pictures of the whole scene and presented them to the judge. He was none too happy,
having seen 14 other similar cases this week. Apparently, this was not the only new parking zone sceduled for that week.
The city had begun new limited parking restrictions all over the city, in residential  areas next to parks and other recreation 
areas. I think police have become self perpetuating in this duty of parking enforcment. 

TICKET TO EARN REVENUE, TO TICKET, TO EARN REVENUE..........


Take Care,
                        Jason
  

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 18:16:06 1996
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From: Aleph One <aleph1@dfw.net>
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I need to hire an English major to proof read a report I'am working on,
if you are interested please email me to aleph1@dfw.net with some
background information and your rate.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 
Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61  8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01 


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 18:23:03 1996
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Eric P. Peterson wrote:

>>where the hell is all the interesting e-mail that helps keep me awake at work?
>>
>>you people suck.
>>
>I'm sure some of us would swallow, too, if you asked nicely...


ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

8))

S


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 19:02:25 1996
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From: ascend@ix.netcom.com (Gregory Sandler )
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Hello everyone,

    Well tomorrow we are going to bring harmony to the beach! Things 
will kick off around noon (really!) and go until (???) Dj's for 
tomorrow are: 

Ethan - Dutch - Galen - Shilo Maggi - Greg - Graeme (?) + more

    Bring all of your beach toys and sun block!! Bring your drums 
candy, food, love and energy!! (please bring lots of water, cause it is 
going to be hot, and just incase it isn't hot, you should bring some 
warm clothes!!! 

    Anyways, hope to see you there. It's gonna be fun!!!!
                
                (408)486- 9591      (408)450-3044

Peace,

Greg :)

Ps. We are doing this party on a public beach, so please be aware of 
your surroundings. Please do not leave your garbage or belongings on 
the beach. We are also going to have tons of garbage bags to fill with 
garbage before, during and after the party. So if possible, it would be 
nice if we could all pick up some of the garbage laying around on the 
beach to help our mother earth!! (she needs it!!!)

                                                       Thanks :)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 19:25:19 1996
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To: michal migurski <lachim@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 19:25:13 -0700
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> Does anyone know of any local DJs who spin good, mellow trip-hop? I've
> heard a unch of Portishead, Massive Attack and Tricky and I want to own
> more of this smooth trippy music... I want to hook up some good mixtapes.

I just picked up an import CD on a whim "macro dub infection vol 1"
(Virgin Records) which  seems pretty trip hop (about 100 BPM) except
for a few times when it breaks into dubby jungle, or electronic reggae.
Everything from 4-Hero, Mad Professor, Wagon Christ, Earthling (J
Saul), Two Badcard, and even Coil (is this "the" Coil, or just some
imitator), Tricky, etc. Pretty cool. This is available at Amoeba
Records (Berkeley), and Rasputins, and cheaper at the latter.

Also, check out Axiom's "Altered Beats -- Assasin Knowledges of the
Remanipulated" which is stuff by DJ Rob Swift, DJ Krush, DXT (the
artist formerly knows as "DST"), Laswell, Wobble, Bootsy Collins, DJ
Q-Bert, etc. I picked mine up at Rasputin's yesteday used for $9.85 and
there's a few more copies there.

Still deciding where these rank on "essentialness" but they're fun to
listen to in the meantime.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
==      Niels Mayer -- http://www.eit.com/~mayer -- mayer@netcom.com       ==
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: Reagan Reid <raygun@value.net>
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On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Geoff White wrote:

> At 09:02 AM 6/28/96 -0700, Nikki Glover wrote:
> >It is going to be in the North Bay in the South Bay?? The VM said it was 2
> hours 
> >out of SF.
> >
> >-N ;0}
> >
> >
> 
> Somewhere wonderful.
> 
> 
     Oh, that's really helpful;).
              Reagan

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From: rlunatic@ix.netcom.com (Adam Luong)
Subject: This wEEkend!
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So, Who's headed out to where this Weekend?!?

On Saturday I think I'll head out to HARMONY'S party in the day, and by 
night I'll be heading over to SPACE TEDDY!

I hope to some of you there!

As usual I'll wear my black and white Dr.Suess hat.
<btw! These hats are getting too popular at raves, I see them 
everywhere now! Or is it because I've never noticed?>

=)~

Adam
    R.Lunatic

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  Okay, I really want to go to Burning Man, however there are some things
I don't have:
 .	A car, or transportation of any kind for that matter
 .	A tent, though I could get one
 .	Anyone to hang out with
  And here are the things I do have to contribute, and perhaps we could
find a mutually beneficial way of sharing resources:
 .	Money for food, gas & water
 .	A happy vibe & positive attitude

  Hmm... put it that way, it sounds like I don't have much to offer.  Oh
well!  I really would love to go, so get in touch!
  Take care...

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Hey!!!!

Ive been getting this for every sfraves message I send out: (just wondering
if its sfraves or me)


Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 19:27:24 -0800
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Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:

Marco A. Mancia (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the
name has been entered correctly.)



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Does anyone else get this????
Who is Marco A Mancia????



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                                        are you out there???



     C E N T R A L   F I R E
        back again...



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Almost time to go out and I don't see anyone talking about Meridian!!  If 
anyone's checking mail this late, I think this party might just be a 
special experience.  Trance for all those who love the underground.  Hope 
to see you there!!  (Look for the Cookie Monster :)

(415) 487-7681 - see the calendar for more details

Love, Nancy

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 22:14:49 1996
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From: Sabin Cloud Macphee <cloud@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: BSP:READ THIS NOW!
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Sorry about the loud 'subject' but in case there are a few SFRavers out 
there who don't know what their doing tonight, there is an outdoor party 
that will be happening in a couple of hours.  It will be in a field 
somewhere between santa cruz and halfmoon bay.  This is backup plan for 
"Meridian" which was supposed to happen in the Bay Area tonight, but had 
some problems with the sight.
This event will be all night and FREE!
DJ's are:
-Brian Flipp (If you've never seen him before, you might just wanna tonight!)
-Supermonk
-Cloud
-Sati
-Serenity 
-Neil
-Introducing Steve
-Moshe
-possibly Dan Barnes
(wow...that's a lot....*whew*)

the party will start at around 11:00 pm and go 'till the cows come home, cuz
you know...it's in a field! =)
Also, the Harmony beach party is here tomarrow for anyone who want's to 
go chill on a beach afterward!
Anyway, the # is:
                          415-487-7681
Hope to see some of you there!
LOTSA' LOVE!
Sabin!
PS. HUGE thanks to Jeff from Lettuce Dance for making this possible!
peace.


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Is anyone getting this?  Meridian lost their space and now it is far 
away.  We might not go.  Is anyone else still going?  Let me know.  I'll 
be online for a little while.  Please oh Please oh Please,

K



On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Josh Kneubuhl wrote:

> Almost time to go out and I don't see anyone talking about Meridian!!  If 
> anyone's checking mail this late, I think this party might just be a 
> special experience.  Trance for all those who love the underground.  Hope 
> to see you there!!  (Look for the Cookie Monster :)
> 
> (415) 487-7681 - see the calendar for more details
> 
> Love, Nancy
> 

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 22:59:46 1996
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[ to the SFRaves mailist ]

Subject: A History Of Word-Of-Mouth (WOM) Full Moon Raves 

In private email , someone who attends raves but didn't know all that
many other ravers yet asked me about getting to Full Moon (FM) raves -
 
% I can appreciate your idea about people making their own party, or even 
% supporting the smaller weeklies; but, how does one get on the "right 
% list" of the chosen few in order to be invited to the underground stuff? 

 [ Larry here - my reply follows, with some more text and some deletions.
   Any opinions on this subject is welcome! I just hope it doesn't start
   a flame war or anything - but I do think I'm mostly accurate in what
   I say. Those with with better/different memories and opinions on the
   points I raise should post their knowledge ]

 Well - part of the situation is not your "fault". The amount of folks in 
the area that want to go to a FM can easily overwhelm any one FM put on
by a crew with a good reputation, if that event is common knowledge. So, 
from a short period where the full moon events were "widely" announced
( flyers and info numbers ), the Wicked crew went to a word-of-mouth 
system . The present system gets them just-enough folks, and they see no
need to change it. Other crews who want to do FM events have learned from
the Wicked folks and follow the same system .  Some crews do some limited 
flyering ( like a few hours before the event ). Some crews have little or
no reputation, and annouce more ahead of time.

 I went more often in the days of the big advance-announcement FMs , and
they were HUGE! Easy a thousand folks on a moonlit beach. But that was 
too crazy - overdoses, physological panic from the crowds, cops, too many 
folks screwing up the site and leaving trash. Theft. 

 I eventually stopped trying to attend FMs, mostly because they started
so late, were usually held in the middle of the work week, and were prone 
to getting complications ( ie busted ). A couple of months ago, I helped 
with putting on one with some folks in one of the newer FM crews, but they 
are sitting this weekend out. So, when it comes to finding out about a
particular FM on a particular date, I'm usually without "special" contacts
, as many folks are who are just "starting out" in attending FMs.  

 So , how to get to FMs? Here comes the part where you have more to do, if
you want to. 

1. Get to know more ravers in general. This you are doing now via sfraves.
   As a side-effect , you will get to know folks who are involved with
   the creation of raves. A sub-set of those folks are involved with doing
   FMs , or may do FMs in the future.

2. Make yourself useful. Pitch in to help clean up after the music stops.
   Haul equipment back up the beach and the cliffs to where the cars are
   parked. Talk to the folks who are doing the same - the usual social 
   stuff. 

 For your own sake - don't do 1 or 2 as a cold-blooded attempt to get on the
"secret list". That kind of calculation is bad for your psychic health.
( "Bad karma, dude!" )

3. When you get to know enough of your fellow ravers - get 'em together
   and HOLD YOUR OWN FULL MOON RAVE! Just make sure you have purposes 
   in common and have folks who can organize.

 This #3 is the best! Not only are you doing yourself a favor, but you're
giving others something great to attend and remember as well.
 
 And hey - if you miss out on FMs - just tell yourself "it's just a party".
REALLY!  And there will always be great non-FM raves that will make it 
worth staying in (y)our rave scene.

 Keep yourself happy ...

  Larry 

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A
>> 
>> Somewhere wonderful.
>> 
>> 
>     Oh, that's really helpful;).
>              Reagan
>
Honestly we don't know yet. We'll pick a place around 10 p.m. tomorrow.


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Fri Jun 28 23:21:48 1996
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From: wolfe@rahul.net (Nancy W. Wolfe)
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>What's goin' on????? They all cut their hair!!!!!! They've gotten old.
>
>        (sorry - I'm in between assignments at my temp agency so I have
>nothing to do but sit on my fat ass and watch MTV)



So, I admit it.  Between my Kool & The Gang craze and now my techno craze
there was duh....duh....duh....Metallica and you hit the nail on the head.
They are soft now.  What is that Stryper/Skid Row bullshit?  They were
never hard like Slayer but they rocked my boat.  I saw them live 3 times
and for my 13 year old mind and body they were it.  Oh well, people grow
and change and so do the things they do.

-Nancy

P.S.  I actually think they look good now with short hair.  Does Kirk
Hammett look like Dave Navarro (Red Hot Chili Peppers) now or what?



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>This is a personal message from me to you :
>
>Have a killer weekend, and hope to meet you along the way.
>Sunset boat party, Harmony, May-b the parade.
>
>Could some-one send me some info about any of these
>Doodge@sfnet.com , 415*621*6747 (v-mail)
>
>Peace
>
>KironO (Ciaran)


The boat party number is (415) 985-5264 and the Harmony party line is (408)
486-9591 or (408) 450-3044.  I will be at Harmony tomorrow and at the boat
party on Sunday.  Hope to see you there!!!!

-Nancy



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Hi all!!

 I'll be going to the Harmony thang on Saturday. Anybody who would like 
to come up and say hi will recieve a HUGE smile; free of charge! ( I 
know, I'm so wonderful it just kill's me ;) )
 But really, I hope to meet lots of folks and dance oodles. I'll be 
helping the sound crew. Anyone who wants to find me should look for a 
thin, 6' white boy with light brown hair that is really long in the back. 
And of course one should also look for that long blond imperial.


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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 29 00:07:57 1996
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> << Don't worry about it.  What bugs me is when my boss or anyone else walks 
>  by and there's all these gay-pride messages...  Not that I'm homophobic 
>  or anything, but messages like that at THIS work are not cool...  I'm 
>  waiting for the jokes to start :)
>   >>
> You must work for Jesse Helms or some other person(?) like that.... HOW SAD!

No, we call my boss Mein Fuhrer though :)

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 29 01:25:10 1996
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write some..  ;-)  

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, michal migurski wrote:


> where the hell is all the interesting e-mail that helps keep me awake at work?

**Write some.

> you people suck
> 
**The important thing is what we suck...

Brother, yes, amen, this collective sucsk in great abundence!

e.g. Tonight I sucked in the energy of the Butthole Surfer's 
music,(Gibby am I hearin' a little ambient industrial in there?" it was 
the shit my man.) I was
in part blown away by Todies, The Rev is 'always' fuckin' great, and the 
'super suckers', did in fact mostly suck, but they have potential. imho.
all from Texas someone said. I knew about the BS' and the Rev ...

Tonight I am also trying to suck the locations of 
the upcoming Blue Moon Parties out of the sfraves information vortex.
I am having trouble navigating cuz I can't tell a blue shift from a red 
one...backwards or forwards, que??  

and I imagine there is abundent suckage going on in other key areas as 
well....  yes indeed.  Amen Brothers and Sisters...and thinking about 
that is blowing the cosmic fuze to my little mote in god's eye brain...

--peace

----Mobos   

p.s. anyone know where tickies are available to the boat party 
sunday..  I know this info was posted some time ago...thanks..         

>
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> 
> I don't wanna hear any comments on how ironic it is that I'm complaining
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> just venting due to a crummy day.
> 
> -m.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 06:42:25 PDT
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Subject: One Way Harmony Ride; Leaving Early!!!!!
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Dear All;

	I willing to offer a ride for peoples who are going 
dowwwwwn to harmony, however I'm leaving in the next couple of 
hours; round 11am, and only one way. Here's the catch you must 
CALL ME VIA VOICE NOT E-MAIL ME; UNDERSTAND; ANALOG PHONE. The 
numbers listed below; use it, thanks & sorry; it's hard to get 
SFRavers to use that primative outdated device with the very few 
buttons known as the TELEPHONE = >!!!!!!! Hey, and it's even toll 
free what more could you ask for??????
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Date: 6/29/96
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From: "THX1138" <THX1138@planet-jubip.com>
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To: David Lowe <dlowe@best.com>, SFRavers List <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
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Dear David;

	How bout your soul?  (Followed by much sinester laugher)
  = >

Peace
Silly Satan

--- On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 20:38:17 -0700 (PDT)  David Lowe 
<dlowe@best.com> wrote:

>
>  Okay, I really want to go to Burning Man, however there are 
some things
>I don't have:
> .	A car, or transportation of any kind for that matter
> .	A tent, though I could get one
> .	Anyone to hang out with
>  And here are the things I do have to contribute, and perhaps we 
could
>find a mutually beneficial way of sharing resources:
> .	Money for food, gas & water
> .	A happy vibe & positive attitude
>
>  Hmm... put it that way, it sounds like I don't have much to 
offer.  Oh
>well!  I really would love to go, so get in touch!
>  Take care...
>
>: : J. David Lowe ::: dlowe@best.com ::: 
ai334@freenet.carleton.ca : :
>:: http://www.best.com/~dlowe/ ::::: 
ftp://ftp.best.com/web1/dlowe/ ::
>::: un*x, C, Common Lisp, HTML, network, hardware & reality 
hacker :::
> : : : : : : : : : finger for pgp key and geek code : : : : : : : 
: :
>

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 29 07:15:07 1996
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the people seem friendly. pleanty of space. don't think i'll move there.


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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, MIKE BOLGER wrote:

> 
> the people seem friendly. pleanty of space. don't think i'll move there.

Why not? I hear you can get great deals on cars... ;-)

                                      Black Adder


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Why is it that when I decide to o on a vacation...everything happens?
Pride,Freedom, sunset boat parties...Wah!!!!! Oh well, I'll miss all of you
while Im chillin in the Bayou in New Orleans!!!! Im on flight number 666 on
Valuejet...Wait that wasn't funny.......
Hugs,Smiles,and PRIDE
Jonathan

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   Yeap, Just use your delete key.




On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Courtney Nielsen wrote:

> 
> Hey!!!!
> 
> Ive been getting this for every sfraves message I send out: (just wondering
> if its sfraves or me)
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 19:27:24 -0800
> From: Mailer-Daemon@sfbayguardian.com (Mailer-Daemon)
> Organization: The San Francisco Bay Guardian
> Subject: NDN: Metallica sucks now.
> To: cnielsen@earthlink.net
> Priority: normal
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> 
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered to:
> 
> Marco A. Mancia (The name was not found at the remote site. Check that the
> name has been entered correctly.)
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sent via the Guardian Online.  415.437.3600 N81 or bbs.sfbayguardian.com, 3004
> ================================================================================
> Does anyone else get this????
> Who is Marco A Mancia????
> 
> 
> 
>         `
> marco????
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                         are you out there???
> 
> 
> 
>      C E N T R A L   F I R E
>         back again...
> 
> 
> 

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>Actually, the longest palindrome, according to Guinness, is 44,444 words
>long, made by Edward Benbow of Bewdley, England.
>
>It starts with, "Anon, now, even odder, I have made lines..."
>It finishes with, "...Senile dam Eva, Hired Don. Eve won, Nona.
>
Yea,  but do these things really have to make sense...?

Crunchman



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TECHNO  PRIMITIVE  AWARENESS



Bridging the gap between our collective future and our primal past with
the healing power of music and dance.  In this workshop we will explore
the link between the creation of dance music and the manifestation of 
inner peace. 
 
Behind every dance there is a beat that draws us together and lets us
move as one.  When we abandon ourselves to the rhythm, our minds quiet
as we allow the primal energy from within to guide us.  This place of
activated bodily bliss is where we shake loose the preconceived notions
of our conditioning to emerge free of the past, alive in the now and 
ready to embrace the future.

A state of transcendence is attainable by all who enter the dance, 
whether drumming the rhythm, mixing the beats, or creating the movement, 
there is one vibe for all to share.  The energy each person gives, 
brings the group to a higher state of conciousness.  We feel that 
dancing is the secret to saving the planet.  We invite you to join us to
find out why, and learn how to activate others as we blend new 
technologies with archaic rituals to discover the joy and love available
to all in the here and now.



MARK AMEBA is founder of Tribal Future.  Our goal is to dissolve the 
           boundaries between people and nature with the healing power
           of music and dance.

DJ TRACY is a well known DJ and performance artist who loves to share
         the peace she has found behind the turntables.

KALI MA is a visionary yoga practitioner with great insight into the 
        connection between body and spirit.

CRAIG ECKERT is an ardent devotee of the drum.  Schooled by Olatunji, 
             Craig has vast awareness of the link between the beat of 
             the drum and the beat of our heart.




                            WEEKEND  OUTLINE 



FRIDAY  -  Arrive at Harbin  -  Orientation  -  Evening meal.

   After dinner fire circle with drums ( conditions permitting).



SATURDAY  -  Morning Yoga  -  Hot Pools  -  Breakfast.

   Midday seminar exploring drumming skills and mixing technique.

   Afternoon Drum Circle  -  Early Dinner.

   Warm up with atmospheric soundscapes to accompany yoga.

   Build to energetic tribal beats through the peak of the evening.

   Fade intensity to quiet earth centered lounge music until bedtime.



SUNDAY  -  Morning Yoga  -  Hot Pools  -  Breakfast.
 
   Regroup to share insights/observations.  Short hike or meditation.

   Outdoor dancing in upper meadow from mid-afternoon till sunset.

   Bring weekend to a close with feast and final fire circle. 


                  
HARBIN HOT SPRINGS  -  MIDDLETOWN , CALIFORNIA


                    WEEKEND OF JULY  26 - 27 - 28        


INFORMATION AND REGISTRATION       #   415 - 263 - 3915

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Just thought i'd check to see if anyone is going tonight.  Xris and I are 
going.  Trying to see if Purple Tiger wants to go with us....if anyone needs 
a ride and lives either in Marin or SF e-mail me.

Have a great weekend everyone, it does seem to be getting warm:)***

XX
OO
C.


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Hello Hello!

Does anyone have that poem-like thing that Trips 'R' Us
distributed a while back. I know somebody posted it
before. Btw, see ya at Harmony. I think I'm gonna bring
a watermelon. Hmmmm....well I'm leaving now bye bye.

Hugs,

CT


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From: "THX1138" <THX1138@planet-jubip.com>
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Dear All;

	I leaving for Harmony in about 30, got a late start; hey 
what else is new, call the number listed below; else later.

Peace
THX1138
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sat Jun 29 14:18:40 1996
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I've seen it mentioned only twice on the list, but I hope to meet more of you
at Space Teddy than that.  Does anyone know the price, all it says on the
voice mail is it's $5 off with canned food.
            ******                    ******
My little sister is leaving for Africa on Monday morning :) and :( and she's
more than a bit freaked out about the trip.  If you see a blond with short
hair and wearing a "Clit Crew" shirt with "We all got your back grrrl!" on
the back of it please come up and tell her some encouraging words.  She's
just startin' to rave and loving it.

I'll be wearing almost an identicle shirt (as will some of the other members
of the Clit Crew) with "I got your back grrrl!" on the back.  Come up and say
"hi" !!!

see ya there
Phelps

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Black Adder,

Your incisive questions were well timed in regards to recent posts about
'people who just don't get it' and perhaps hinting on something deeper...
 
> 1. How can you help people understand, when you won't tolerate people
>    that don't understand?

One cannot help people and shouldn't even try to help them if one cannot 
tolerate or try to understand why they think and act as they do. There will
always be more harm done than good. (Look at US Foreign policy).
This is the biggest reason, I think, why people react negatively to 'positive' 
advice. 'Believe in this because whatever you are doing is wrong' -- maybe this is 
what's being interpreted by those we confront w/ our views? In this case, are we any
different from the preachers of religion on the streets? I find it hard for people to 
give up the ways they've been encultured to think and behave when they are confronted
with questions about morality. This poses more questioning: Do we want people to just 
'understand' where we are coming from? Or does the real motivation reside in 
changing people's values and beliefs?  When dealing with human lives, there needs to
be delicate handling of other peoples' culture, background, and lifestyle. Without such
care, we will never get them to empathize with us because we have not done the same for
them. 

> 2. If you can't make them understand, how do you come to some to some
>    agreement to agree to disagree?

The 'agreement to disagree' is implicit in human nature. Sometimes this will need to be 
verbalized for people while others may already know this. 


In dealing with people, there is more than one way to attain a semblence of 
understanding and commonality. The exchange of ideas and viewpoints is one of them.
When we place too much value on the outcome of the experience, we lose sight of the
real goal -- the experience itself.  In Taoist Philosophy, Lao-tzu states this idea 
perfectly " Search for it, and it evades -- seek it not, it comes to you." I think he 
means to live simply w/o much expectations from life or people,  is how we will receive 
more than our desires.
 

Peace,
Tex

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From: Karen Hardie <eidrah@vanbc.wimsey.com>
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i'm either pleasantly surprised ... or it's just what i expected :)  
sounds kinda sad, but i'm rarely disappointed!

k

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From: b e n   c h u n <ben_chun@community.net>
To: "'sfraves@hyperreal.com'" <sfraves@hyperreal.com>
Subject: Tesla (the man, not the band!)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 15:06:53 -0700
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"We are confronted with portentous problems which can not be solved just
by providing for our material existence, however abundantly. On the
contrary, progress in this direction is fraught with hazards and perils
not less menacing than those born from want and suffering. If we were to
release the energy of the atoms or discover some other way of developing
cheap and unlimited power at any point of the globe this accomplishment,
instead of being a blessing, might bring disaster to mankind... The
greatest good will come from the technical improvements tending to
unification and harmony..."

Nikola Tesla, from "My Inventions: the autobiography of Nikola Tesla"

now what I want to know is, why has the government still got all of his
note and research that he was conducting when he died CLASSIFIED ? are
they that scared of what might happen if we develop "technical improvements
tending to unification and harmony" ?


b e n   c h u n

ben_chun@community.net
http://www.community.net/~ben_chun/


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From: timb@nit.AirTouch.COM (Tim Beauchamp)
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Tex wrote (in response to Black Adder):
>
> > 2. If you can't make them understand, how do you come to some to some
> >    agreement to agree to disagree?
> 
> The 'agreement to disagree' is implicit in human nature.

Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree with this being "implicit in human
nature"  You mentioned (in the same post) US Foriegn Policy--a perfect
example of the inability to `agree to disagree'.  The excessive number
of morality laws in this country (and most others), the inability for
religions which at their core are so similair (Judaism, Christianity,
Islam) to peaceably coexist, predjudice of all kinds running rampant
throughout humankinds daily lives, cats and dogs running....  Sorry, I
get carried away sometimes.

Now I might go for it being implicit in human survival and
advancement.  But that will require for us to overcome our `nature' and
rely on some good old fashion Compassion and Common Sense--which,
unfortunately, isn't common.

Does this sound like I have no faith in Humankind?

Tim

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apologies to anyone who got mail from me last night. littttle creatures had
taken possesion of my soul. obviously didnt post anything to the list.
probably sent out rants to various people_ just not sure who.
yeesh.

take care all,
kc;r



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Greetings from San Diego,

I want to try to make it to the MoonTribe full moon rave tonight (provided
they plan on having it)....   If anyone knows if it is coming off,  would
you please phone me at "The Loft"?    The number is:  619-696-9905

Tell anyone who answers the phone that you have the FMR info and ask them
to write it down.

Much appreciated...

The Crunchman



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Alright you honeycomb hideout meanie weanies,  who's gonna be a pal and let
poor ol Steveo in on the reindeer games.  I haven't been to a beach FM in
sooo long, plplplplease gimme the 411.

-StEvEo
Hey fellow clueless folks: gimme a call and give me your number, i'll give
you the numbers I have, we'll create this network of ravers without info
(RWOI), but, should some one find out....
my number is 916 855 6762
or 510 802 5777 (,vmail)

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I Knew dave only well enough to realize his beauty and kindness.  Summer of
94, one my greatest, Dave took about 15 back to his house for an ambient
breakfast, he ended up inviting all of us on a cruise on his steamboat (as in
paddlewheels).  A day to be rememeberd, a man to be remembered.

-StEvEo
P.S. Lee, I've got some really wonderful image files of that trip on the
boat, let me know if you would like them.  Take care and thank you for
passing the sad news.


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So we called up the bay area underground voicemail and learned that 
meridian had lost it's space and been transformed to a free outdoor 
party, about 25 miles north of Santa Cruz on Hwy 1. Well, that sounded 
rad, so Franz, an Austrian friend visiting Berkeley for the summer, and I 
headed to the BART station, caught the last train to Freemont, and hooked 
up with Robert Brown, who was so very kind and willing to come and pick 
us up and give us a ride to the party. It was an enjoyable ride, with a 
spectacular view of almost-blue moon shimmering off the ocean, and after 
we passed Half Moon Bay, we started watching the odometer, following the 
voicemail's instructions, and looking for a large pyramid at a 
construction site with "BAU" spraypainted on it. About 23 miles down the 
road, we saw a crew of about 50 ravers hanging out on the side of the 
road. "What's up?" asked I. "Can't find it.." replyed They. The gathering 
was continuously growing as more people drove by and decided to stop, 
asking "got any drugs, any e, any x, anything?" as the sound of inflating 
nitrous balloons filled the air. A group of people explained to us how 
they followed the vmail instructions exactly and couldn't find a 
construction site, a pyramid, or a party. So we doubled back and started 
checking out the little roads along the highway, and finally decided that 
we should go back to the gathering. The raver crew was discussing the 
possibility of calling someone with turntables and starting our own 
party, which seemed better than just sitting around. Several were getting 
annoyed and decided to head back home. We did what we should have done in 
the first place, and went forward. We found the "party" at an unmarked 
location a couple miles ahead, across the road from the ocean in a wooded 
area, and went back to get everyone else parked on the side of the road. 
As we arrived, a large group of people were taking off and we heard 
something like "meet at the safeway in santa cruz for new directions."
After waiting around at the location for maybe an hour (3:30 by now?), 
the guy with the soundsystem showed up and Robert, Franz, and I helped 
carry the speaker to the proposed location, a silly spot with no ocean 
view and too much vegitation. The guys carrying the other speaker were 
told to keep on going, to a different location, but we were told to head 
back. After about 45 minutes of chaos, both speakers and the decks ended 
up at the same spot, and while everyone was giving their opinions on the 
best location, someone finally yelled out "lets set up here!" and all 
the tired kids agreed and we set up the decks and speakers and amps very 
slowly. My back hurt from sitting at a computer for nine hours and then 
carring this speaker back and forth, and even though this spot had no 
view of the moon or the ocean, there was no vegitation for dancing kids 
to trample, so I started helping set up. Feeling wierd after a week of 
sleep deprivation, I took it upon myself to try to speed up the process, 
because no one seemed in charge, and nothing was getting acomplished. 
Then after about 30 minutes I decided it was futile and just took it 
easy. Eventually someone decided to go start the generator, and couldn't. 
It appeared the the spark plug had broken, and no one had a spare, or 
even tools to remove the old one. So I met the Bay Area Underground guy, 
Mosha(?), and for the next hour tried to find a spare plug and a socket 
set. We found a motorbike that looked like it would have the right size 
sparkplug, but the owner was unwilling to part with it. Eventually, we 
located a socket set and spare plugs, but they were too big (carsize). So 
we went back to the generator, and I thought we could hack the old plug 
together so it would spark, but the many people around the generator had 
decided the problem was not the sparkplug, but something else. Mosha(?) 
was all depressed, but was trying very very very hard to get everything 
to work out. About now the sun was comming up so Robert, Franz and I 
headed to the beach to watch the moonset and the sunrise. When we got to 
the beach, the stars and moon had already disappeared and the sun was 
slowly comming up. We wrapped oursleves in blankets and rested and 
smoked and ate too-ripe mangoes. After a while it became apparent that we 
were being closely inspected by an insanely large family of Silly Jumping 
Sand Creatures. But we agreed not to bite each other and they let us 
crash on their sand and I let them play in my shoe. At about 6, a couple 
fisherman showed up to the beautiful empty beach and about 6:30 the sun 
finally made it over the hills and slowly brought warmth and light to the 
waves, the water, the sand, and our bodies, and we could now see the 
Silly Jumping Sand Creatures owned the entire shoreline. About 7'ish we 
got up and I hunted for rocks and washed them in the ocean while trying 
not to get soaked (but wouldn't have minded it). I found this cool 
emerald green shiny rock, and this big green rock with yellow speckles 
that looked like a toad, and various black shiny rocks. We headed back to 
the car and could make out slight sounds of house, so we headed back to 
the party location. A 120V recepticle had been located by a porta-potty 
and the soundsystem had been moved to a location overlooking the ocean. 
The view was incredible, but the "DJ" was trying to mix but ended up just 
playing tracks in succession. About 50-75 people were still left at the 
location and I was happy to see that kids would stick it out until so 
late (never would happen in missouri). After a while of not dancing we 
drove back to the bay area, and found a denny's and had a good breakfast 
with weak coffee. Robert dropped us off at the bart station and franz and 
i headed back to International House.

Despite a total lack of organization and planning, the promoter was a 
good guy. It angered me that he didn't put up the signs he talked about 
in the voicemail directions, because he "didn't see the point". He should 
have changed the vmail message.I feel sorry for the people who drove down 
a couple hours only to find no party and had to head back because they 
couldn't find the spot. The sunrise at the beach made the trip 
worthwhile, and we probably shouldn't have gone back, only to hear a 
silly dj. But bad things happen to parties and promotors. Being so 
unprepared is not a good habit when throwing a party like that, but i'm 
sure he's learned his lesson and his next party will proably be rad.  

please pardon the negativity and all the "ands" in this message. I 
probably will not go out tonight, so you probably won't see me unless you 
come to the lab or want to help me with my laundry. I'll be at the blue 
moon thing though. See you all tomorrow night.

-- 
pJou_|        	                 pgp encrypted fone and mail accepted 
    _l				rkumar@fnord-1.lbl.gov rkumar@umr.edu




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Last minute update, TONIGHT: Civil Saturday: kick ass outdoor space on the
river18 mi north of sacto on I-5. Adrian, Rigatony, Many more!

415 273 1190

Page me at 510 802-5777 if you wopuld like to hook up in Sac first. Or look
for me in my big red 7-11 shirt with my laminate.

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Fellow SF Ravers;

This is an open invitation for anyone to join us on our blanket watching 
the Parade.  We will have a picnic basket of food and wine, we are 
prepared to share with you if you are hungry.

How to spot us:  We will undoubtably be at the End-Up Sun. morning and 
then make our way to the choicest spot we can find on the parade route. 
I like to be on the sunny side of the street, between the judging stand 
and the end of the parade route.  I know that is pretty non-specific, 
but look for the woman in a flouresent pink dress, knee-high lace up 
tennis shoes, carrying a square picnic basket.  I am sure that I will be 
the only one dressed that way.

Peace,
D.

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At 08:26 PM 6/29/96 -0700, Maureen Garrett wrote:
>
>Hey there, any knowledge about where Wicked is going tonight with the FMR?
>Nothing is mentioned of course on their line...  I have a good friend 
>visiting from Colorado Springs and would love to take her to this party..

Way on down south.
Don't really know any more right now.


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Hi all!!


 Yea, I get the first Harmony review in!!
Party was at Panther Beach. Beautiful location with naked old men running 
around. Music started between 2-3 pm with Greg Sandler spinning. Greg 
just spins the most beautiful, interesting music!! Thanks Greg!! Shilo 
(sp?) was next and probably spun the longest. His set was up and down at 
first but then settled into a nice (but standard) techno groove (with 
some very cool exceptions). Ethan was next and he kept the dance groove 
strong and I felt he raised the energy level a couple of notches. Dutch 
came next and spun to the end (8:30 pm). I've always liked Dutch's sets 
from the days of the underground parties at the Cantina in Santa Cruz and 
this set was just as good. Unfortunately I had to bow out for a minutes 
due to hunger wierdness and came back in time to help carry the speakers 
and amp rack up the hill (ugh!).

 Favorite moments;
 
1) dancing to Greg's beautiful set with bubbles coming from behind me,  
   swooping all around the dance floor. I felt like I was going to leave 
   my body at any moment.
 
2) getting my SFraves laminate. THANKS TERRY. He was so nice as to 
   include a lanyard. I got to meet Adam (lunatic) at that moment. A very 
   nice moment indeed.

3) just meeting some very cool people (Hi Andy and Andrew's friend 
   [Anthema, and I'm certain I'm spelling this wrong. Help me Andrew!]) and 
   seeing some old friends.

4) looking at the rock bridge nearby when the setting sun cast it's long 
   rays upom the textured surface, turning it into this incredible 3D 
   fractal.
 
It is really too bad the beach patrol made the sound system stop at 8:30 
as the very phat moon was just starting to poke up above the horizon 
then. And Dutch was just getting better and better. Sigh.


A great time by the Harmony Crew!!!!!! Thanks Folks. I loves youse guyz!!!


Ran


                              -=*=-
                                ~

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I think today was the first true day of summer! There's nothing better than
cruising along Hwy one listening to good tunes. Panther beach was really
nice and there were good vibes all around. I surprised Paul and introduced
myself with a typical cyebergeek line:" You don't know me, but I've been to
your web page". Anyways, I only stayed till 6:30, but was having a wicked
time where the sand met the sun. High fives all around to the Harmony
crew.....I Fucking LOVE summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-peace- Alex

Alex Ward
bwret@best.com                         May the Funk be with you...Always.



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The question is, "How did my pink dot get inside my dress?"  ;-)
Great party....!!! (this is a 3:52 AM brief report)

ALSO PARADE UPDATE:  Check out DJ's Cyr and Clay motorcading down Market.

Peace on this gorgeous Blue Moon Night.... --Mau 


On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Jim Cyr wrote:

> 
> Hi Sports Fans!
> Traditionally, the saturday before the Pride Parade and Celebration is 
> called "Pink Saturday" and the whole Castro neighborhood is closed off to
> traffic  so that thousands may gawk and strut, so . . . 
> 
> My friend Clay and I are invading with a sound system so that we may 
> have dancing in the streets
> The event is sponsored by The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and they 
> ask for a dollar donation which goes to various AIDS groups
> 
> We plan to be blasting from 8 to midnite at the corner of 18th and Castro
> and given the crowd we'll be spinnning everything from old school disco
> to Goa (Yes, this will allow me to play my Doris Day record :)
> 
> DO come up and say Hi!
> 
> Jim Cyr
> 
> 

From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 09:52:22 1996
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can anybody tell me the number for the sunset info line????
thanx in adavance!!
sarah

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Hello all. Robert, Justin, and I (and maybe more?) are going to Gateway 
System's Full Moon party tonight, so show up and we can party together :)

Robert and I are meeting by the Montgommery bart station, on the left 
side of Market St. (when facing the bay) at 12:30 this afternoon. I'm 
going to be wearing my faded orange cap.. If you see me/us come up and 
say hi..n' stuff :) :) :)

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Apparently from JOSHUA MICHAEL ABERANT <mist@sfsu.edu>
but actually from sarah -
> 
> can anybody tell me the number for the sunset info line????
> thanx in adavance!!
> sarah
> 
 No point calling it today - they're doing a boat party today , leaves the
dock at 6PM, back to port at 11PM. Tickets are(were?) at Ameba in SF and
Primal in Berkeley. Try (415) 985-5264 for details..

 

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found this one yesterday :

Wednesday, July 3. The Promise. Ryde (NYC), Galen, Henrik, Ethan, Surge, 
Andre Lucero, Tracy, Solar, Abstract, Radley, Riche, Sean Murray. &7 
befroe 11PM / $10 after. (415) 974-4391 (415) 273-1622. by Next School & 
Space Children.

the fyler's unique in that it's a straight-up kinko's job, espically 
considering that space children usually do high production cut-out 
color flyers. There's also this a written piece inside intitled "The 
Promise" that I don't have the time or spelling skills necesariy to 
transcribe to you.

I think I only ever made it to a single Progress party. I remember the 
lady on the line making a big deal about the whole tree-hugging, new moon 
worshiping spituality of her raves and just finding a party in the Acme with 
an ice sculpture in the ambient room. Wow. Even so, their heart seemed to 
be in the right place so I kept most of my sarcasism to myself. 

I also remember one of their later outdoor parties, the one on the same 
night as that $20 All Together Now at Big Heart City, never happening due 
to techical problems with the fog. Being one of those people that calls 
the number of aborted parties The Day After just to see how the promoters 
handle damage contoll, I have to say I was impressed with their attitude. 
Instead of making excuses & passing the blame (Lucky Charms) or making 
pompous speachs about how "there will be no need for a refund" (the G.U.N. 
Narnia rave mafia) the girl pretty much accepted responsiblity for 
everything that went wrong, explained the jam she was in for paying expenses 
for out-of town Dj'sthat never got a chance to spin, and then *asked* if 
people could help her out by letting the refund slide. I thought that was 
pretty profesional and showed a lot of class. Chances are, I'll probably 
support them this wednesday.  

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Tim,

Your reasons for disagreeing are valid, if you see that the world we live in
today and the constructs of society are what you interpret to be human nature.
But some people may see it another way. For example, the balanced ecosystem of
a forest with people living off the land (like the Native Americans) in harmony
with their surroundings is human nature. They live naturally. To go beyond our 'human 
nature' , is to detach ourselves from the essence of life. Once detached, we no longer 
have compassion for others and exercise 'common sense'. We are like machines -- working 
and building for the sake of advancement and progress. Because of advancement and 
'progress', we have come to problems such as overpopulation, the inability of religious 
institutions to peaceably coexist, and the excessive number of morality laws that you 
mentioned. It may seem too overwhelming at times to think of all the things that are 
produced because people have not stayed with their human nature. Human nature is the 
peaceable coexistance with the outside environment as well as the 'inner' environment
(Soul). Human nature and human advancement/achievement are two completely different 
things. 

It seems you may have lost some faith in advancement and progress (with
all the problems you spoke of), but perhaps you still have faith in nature. 

Peace,
Tex




Tim Beauchamp wrote:
> 
> Tex wrote (in response to Black Adder):
> >
> > > 2. If you can't make them understand, how do you come to some to some
> > >    agreement to agree to disagree?
> >
> > The 'agreement to disagree' is implicit in human nature.
> 
> Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree with this being "implicit in human
> nature"  You mentioned (in the same post) US Foriegn Policy--a perfect
> example of the inability to `agree to disagree'.  The excessive number
> of morality laws in this country (and most others), the inability for
> religions which at their core are so similair (Judaism, Christianity,
> Islam) to peaceably coexist, predjudice of all kinds running rampant
> throughout humankinds daily lives, cats and dogs running....  Sorry, I
> get carried away sometimes.
> 
> Now I might go for it being implicit in human survival and
> advancement.  But that will require for us to overcome our `nature' and
> rely on some good old fashion Compassion and Common Sense--which,
> unfortunately, isn't common.
> 
> Does this sound like I have no faith in Humankind?
> 
> Tim


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 12:59:51 1996
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From: Tom Leichardt <djtom@svpal.org>
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hey im looking for mike but lost his address. 

peace and sunny weather.
tom

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Hello friends and family

I've been quite busy and have rarly posted yet this summer.  But I'd like
to let every one in on a trip I'm takin' July 17-21.

I have to go to San Luis Obisbo for some school shit all day on Thursday
the 18th and the rest of the weekend I'm headed to LA and surrounding area
for sites sounds and Rave...Yeah!

I'm going to try to make it to LA's  F.A.M.I.L.Y. on friday the 19th and
Hardcore Kids Productions - Fountain of Youth on saturday for some hardcore
LA  ravin'.  I welcome any sfravers to meet me in LA for the weekend (met
up, what ever).  I know some of you are itchin' for hardcore.  I'll be
traveling either by myself or with my girlfriend or maybe my friend Kevin
IF he can score a weekend off of work. Here's what I got from the
SoCal-raves calender for those events that weekend.

=46riday, July 19

     F.A.M.I.L.Y. (LA) -  http://www.westworld.com/~azra

Saturday, July 20

     Fountain of Youth - by HCK Prod (HardCoreKids). DJs
     Christopher Lawrence, Thomas Michael, Brad, Oscure, Fester,
     Xavier, and Mojo. 213.920.7902

See ya at Full Moon!!

Austin

P.S. I too have mail troubles.  I have no mail from sfraves for 2
days...very strange

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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 13:35:12 1996
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From: KaySEE <scarab@value.net>
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Just a quick post to tell everyone how to spot me at the boat party.  
Please, come say hi.  I absolutely love meeting people.  It's what I live 
for!!!  I'll be with some cool friends, one of which is a newbie.  

I'm 5'4" with medium length brn hair and  brn eyes.  I'll be wearing 
maroonish bell-bottoms and a white tank top that ties in the front.  
I don't have a laminate, but if anyone has one, will you bring one for me?  
Thanks.

I'm looking forward to this so much.  See you there.

Over and out,
KaySEE

              ****Shit, goddamn, get off your ass and jam****


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 16:16:54 1996
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Well, now that we are all burnt to crispies, we would like to extend a 
great thanks to everyone who helped with yesterday's party. We also 
thank all of you who came out and baked in the sun with us!! We 
apologize for the early ending of the party, but for some reason the 
b-patrol decided to be ----, this time. Oh well...

But it was fun anyways, and we hope you had a great time. Also, thanks 
to all of you who gave donations at the end of the party. Thank you!!

Peace, love and harmony to all beautiful people,

The Crew :)

Ps. Coming in September, the 14th to be exact, is Harmony's three year 
anniversary. This will be the most special party we have and will ever 
do. We are sorry to say, but this will be the final Harmony party, and 
we are going all out!!! There is a lot of info to be given about this 
very special party. This party will be presale tickets only!!! Call our 
info lines to get more info. (408)486-9591 - (408)450-3044

                                -peace-


From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 18:16:34 1996
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From: Tony Rose <trose@violet.berkeley.edu>
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Hi everyone...my accout here at violet.berkeley.edu is being turned off at
midnight tonight :-( but I will be changing to trose@uclink2.berkeley.edu 
ti also means that my homepage has no home for  a little while...so this
is your last chance to look at it...I hope to see some of you at blue moon
tonight...if you want to see what I look like look at my homepage!
peace...

* * ** *** ***** ******** ************* ****************** 
Paul Anthony Rose
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 18:19:42 1996
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There hasn't been any posts about Gateway's FM party tonight, is this also a
honeycomb hideout thing?  Anyone going should be sure to bring a citronella
candle and bug repellent, the skeeters are rather fierce on this here river.

Brilliant party last night, excellent outdoor space.  Thanks Rigatony, and
Orion folks.  Cops came, but with a little bit of mutual respect and
consideration, we were able to work out a deal and go (as far as I know) all
night.  Goddess bless the positive virtues we are all capable of that surpass
civil right as well laws.
-StEvEo

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From: Aleph One <aleph1@dfw.net>
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I will be leaving as son as direction are in the voice mail. I will be
going alone. If someone from the Berkeley/Oakland area needs a ride email
me ASAP.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 21:22:48 PDT
From: "THX1138" <THX1138@planet-jubip.com>
Subject: Ride To Really Cool Party Tonight Offered
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Dear All;

	This is a THX1138 special party alert, with a ride offered. Tonight in 
the next couple of hours I will be leaving to go to a great party; however I 
can give out no details. I can fit 2 - 4 people in my car as long as they help 
out with expeneses. Call the number listed below, bring warm clothes and 
prepare for a long wonderful time; I assure you you won't be disappointed. not 
recommended for those who have to work on Monday.

Peace
THX1138

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Date: 6/30/96
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From sfraves-owner@hyperreal.com  Sun Jun 30 21:53:54 1996
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From: Tom Leichardt <djtom@svpal.org>
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have you 
room in your car for an extra raver?

this one would really appreciate it.

energy,
tom

home: 4o8.275.1546


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From: Justin Cooper <datura@best.com>
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anybody feel that shaker?

that was the first time i was pretty sure it was an earthquake right off...


here's a good map:
 http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/QUAKES/CURRENT/san_francisco_bay.html


a 3.4 the site says, 13 km NNW of pacifica


i imagine sf folks felt it to be sure :)


wheeha,
 justin

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On Sun, 30 Jun 1996, Justin Cooper wrote:

> anybody feel that shaker?

Yep. Felt it. Was in the bathroom too.

> that was the first time i was pretty sure it was an earthquake right off...

Hehe. That was nothing. Let me tell you a little story. A couple of years
ago I started to go to Cal State Northridge. Me abd my roommate where
looking for a place with rooms of equal size so we wouldnt have to fight
on who gets which one. At last we found one and he left for the summer.
One day me and my ex-girlfriend decide to move everything and spend our
first night in our new apartment across the street from the school. A
couple of hours later we where finish and very tired so we decided to go
to bed at around 12:00. A couple of hours later I'am awoken by this very
loud sound and a great shakin. It was the Northridge earthquake! Yes,
folks I spend all 5 hours in my new apartment before the building was
shaken so bad that it was condemned. Also one of the partments we looked
at was in the building that had fallen and killed all those people. The
apartment was in the first floor. It was a nice place too. But the rooms
where different size. I was all 4 or 5 blocks from the epicenter. Destiny.

> 
> here's a good map:
>  http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/QUAKES/CURRENT/san_francisco_bay.html
> 
> 
> a 3.4 the site says, 13 km NNW of pacifica
> 
> 
> i imagine sf folks felt it to be sure :)
> 
> 
> wheeha,
>  justin
> 

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